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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2025, 12:30:55 am »
This doesn’t feel right.

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The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2025, 12:34:52 am »
Who was on those aircraft?
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2025, 12:38:43 am »
Who was on those aircraft?

My first question.  Guess we'll find out after next of kins are notified.

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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2025, 01:58:20 am »
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Fox News quoted a recording of air traffic control communications at the time of the CRJ-700 airliner-Army H-60  helicopter collision:

ATC to the Army H-60: “Do you have the CRJ in sight.”

 The crash apparently happened directly after.

And that tells the tale. The ATC should not have been saying ANYTHING to the Helo pilot at that point but "HOLD in place! Do not move!"
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2025, 02:03:03 am »
The fact that the tower reached out to the Blackhawk twice with NR bothers me. Why didn’t it see the plane?

Military aircraft do not use commercial radio frequencies so only the ATC could converse with them.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2025, 04:08:35 am »
Military aircraft can dial up any frequency they want including some that commercial aircraft sometimes don't have the equipment for ("HF" frequencies). 

Transcontinental flights and some commercial/civilian aircraft operating in remote areas (New Guinea, Alaska) also utilize HF frequencies.

https://www.collinsaerospace.com/what-we-do/industries/military-and-defense/communications/airborne-communications/hf-communications

https://youtu.be/UIUvUuIt-n0?si=aYgYaNk_vQxFS5a4

Apparently some USA figure skaters on the AA CRJ airliner:  https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1884867286944592098   

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2025, 04:51:54 am »
Who was on those aircraft?

Blackhawk helicopter...Ford F-150 Lightning.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2025, 05:00:23 am »
My first question.  Guess we'll find out after next of kins are notified.

Here it is, 5AM and the FOXNEWS Chyron reads "...SEARCH for survivors".

You don't survive an explosion which tears a jet in half, falls 300 plus feet into January chilled Potomac river while strapped in a seat on a final approach.

In my mind's eye can still see Lenny Skutnik suddenly diving into the river... grabbing that dazed, frozen woman as she was sinking below the surface for the last time.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2025, 05:29:10 am »
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The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!


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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2025, 05:50:12 am »
This doesn’t feel right.

Aw geez, no more conspiracy theories please!!!!

Anybody who works and travels in the DC/Leesburg/Baltimore area knows how congested the departure and approach lanes are in and out of DCA, IAD, and BWI, made worse with the post-9/11 FAA restrictions.  It was only a matter of time before something like this happened, particularly with the flight controllers being understaffed, overworked, and under the stress they are these days.

This was a tragic accident and nothing more.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2025, 07:47:50 am »
ATC Comms and radar tracks:

The PAT25 Blackhawk flew right into the path of the approaching Flight 5342.  Either it was pilot error or there was some kind of confusion or foul up between ATC and the military controller.  It was also dark and blustery in the DC area last night. Note the two other aircraft lined up behind 5342 on their approach vectors too.  I like I said, it's tight and congested around DCA.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2025, 07:51:20 am »
ATC Comms and radar tracks:

https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=u8_Tst-EIRY8s1jn
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No survivors.   Very sad.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2025, 08:13:23 am »
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Newly surfaced videos show the horrifying moment an Army Black Hawk helicopter and a PSA/American Airlines passenger jet collided midair near Reagan National Airport, sending both aircraft crashing into the Potomac River. The collision resulted in a massive fireball before both aircraft went down, with no survivors reported.

The jet, which took off from Wichita, Kansas, was carrying 60 passengers and four crew members, while the Black Hawk, based out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia, had three soldiers aboard on what the Army claims was a routine training mission. But how does a helicopter end up in the direct flight path of a passenger plane in one of the most heavily controlled airspaces in the country?



The Blackhawk seems to be almost TOTALLY dark.

1. Was it deliberated, or the helicopter pilot was retarded?
2. Who were the passengers on the plane?




https://www.usasupreme.com/new-angle-footage-of-helicopter-collision-near-reagan-airport-how-is-this-not-intentional-video/

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2025, 08:30:12 am »
The PAT25 Blackhawk flew right into the path of the approaching Flight 5342.  Either it was pilot error or there was some kind of confusion or foul up between ATC and the military controller.  It was also dark and blustery in the DC area last night. Note the two other aircraft lined up behind 5342 on their approach vectors too.  I like I said, it's tight and congested around DCA.

My immediate take was that it was confusion between civilian and military air controllers.  Of course, pilot error on the part of the Blackhawk pilot is also a possiblity.  (And why the heck was a Blackhawk flying through the approach to Reagan International at all??)
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2025, 08:33:59 am »
My immediate take was that it was confusion between civilian and military air controllers.  Of course, pilot error on the part of the Blackhawk pilot is also a possiblity.  (And why the heck was a Blackhawk flying through the approach to Reagan International at all??)

It makes no sense at all. The civilian plane was very well lit and where it was supposed to be. The Blackhawk pilot should have had clear sight of it for some time before he/she flew straight into the plane. The Blackhawk had to increase altitude to hit it in the last moments.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2025, 08:35:15 am »


John Donnelly, Chief of the District of Columbia Fire Department, said Thursday that “we don't think there are any survivors from this accident.”

“We have recovered 27 people from the plane and one from the helicopter,” he added.

“Despite all these efforts, we are now at a point where we are switching from a rescue operation to a recovery operation,” he also said.

"The district office of the medical examiner has lead on reuniting these bodies and these people, with their loved ones," Donnelly continued. "And we will continue to work to find all the bodies and collect them. and reunite them with their loved ones."
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2025, 08:37:21 am »
Russian Olympians, American figure skating members were on board American Airlines plane

Russian and U.S. figure skaters were on board an American Airlines flight that collided with an Army helicopter while landing at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington, D.C., on Wednesday night.

Russian figure skaters Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov, who won a pairs title at the 1994 world championships and competed at the Winter Olympics twice, were among the passengers on the plane, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday.

"Unfortunately, we see that this sad information is being confirmed. There were other fellow citizens there. Bad news today from Washington. We are sorry and send condolences to the families and friends who lost those of our fellow citizens who died in the plane crash," he said.

The International Skating Union said it was "deeply shocked" over the incident.
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Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov competed in 2 Olympic Games

Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov were a Russian figure skating pair who competed in multiple Olympic Games and medaled in multiple world championships.

The Kremlin said Thursday the figure skating stars were among those aboard an American Airlines flight that collided with a U.S. Army helicopter near Reagan International Airport on Wednesday night.



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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2025, 09:11:48 am »
Memories come flooding back of the 1970 Wichita State Football Team who saw over 75% of them killed in a plane crash.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2025, 09:13:33 am »
It makes no sense at all. The civilian plane was very well lit and where it was supposed to be. The Blackhawk pilot should have had clear sight of it for some time before he/she flew straight into the plane. The Blackhawk had to increase altitude to hit it in the last moments.

Well, that doesn't mean much over heavily-lit DC after dark with multiple aircraft in the vicinity at the same time, several lined up on approach behind Flight 5342.  Hegseth said that it was a training flight, so there's the question of how experienced the Blackhawk pilot was in those circumstances.  Also, the military pilot may have been looking at the incoming aircraft BEHIND 5342 when ATC asked him on the frequency if he saw it, and he applied affirmatively.  I wonder if he was wearing night vision gear too? 

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Less than 30 seconds before the crash, an air traffic controller asked a helicopter if it had the arriving plane in sight. The controller made another radio call to the helicopter moments later: “PAT 25 pass behind the CRJ.” There was no reply. Seconds after that, the two aircraft collided.
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« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2025, 09:17:12 am »
I'm waiting to hear what our friend, a retired Chinook pilot and Army Colonel, thinks about this. He's flown training missions around D.C.

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Army helicopter pilot here. Based on what we’ve seen so far, my guess is the PAT Blackhawk helicopter pilots confirmed visual on the wrong aircraft and likely never even saw the aircraft they crashed into.
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As a pilot, here is what I think happened:

Facts:
1. American Airlines flight 5432 (LANDING FLIGHT), a CRJ700 operated by PSA airlines, was inbound to runway 33 on whats called "short final", the last stage of landing, about 400 feet in altitude.
2. An Army Blackhawk training flight PAT25 (HELICOPTER) was flying perpendicular to the flight path of 5432 along the Potomac river.  The Potomac is a designated helicopter flight path / flight corridor.
3. PAT25 was flying on Visual Flight Rules (VFR); flight 4532 on Instrument Flight Rules (IFR).  This means that flight 5432 had priority and the helicopter should have been constantly looking out visually for other aircraft.
4. Moments before the crash, the DCA tower called to PAT25 and asked them to confirm they had the "[other] aircraft in sight".
5. PAT25 replied that they had the aircraft in sight.

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PAT25 actually had another aircraft, the DEPARTING FLIGHT, in sight, and did not realize PAT25 was descending directly into its flight path.

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« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2025, 09:19:35 am »
Of course they did. They should be reminded that Trump's been in office barely a week, and any FAA or U.S. Army personnel involved in this crash have been on the job much longer than that.

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« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2025, 09:29:16 am »
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I wonder if he was wearing night vision gear too? 

The Blackhawk pilots would not be wearing night vision goggles due to there being so much ambient light on the ground..the googles would be useless and even hazardous...
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« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2025, 09:32:53 am »
‘Absolutely Disgusting’: CNN Hammered for Immediately Pointing the Finger at Trump for DC Plane Crash
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2025, 09:37:19 am »
To me, this is looking more and more the Air Traffic Control's fault...
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« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2025, 09:37:28 am »
I haven't seen the FAA say any such thing about three "near misses."  Sounds like fringy blogger speculation.
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« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2025, 09:38:52 am »
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Yes. One of my friends is going through this right now. His wife was on the flight. Sweet girl who I knew from my time working in NC years ago when they were dating. They have two children ages 3 and 1. I feel sick to my stomach for him. Our friend group is with him for support - but conflicting reports of survivors is absolutely excruciating when no info is being provided.
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« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2025, 09:39:29 am »
To me, this is looking more and more the Air Traffic Control's fault...

No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2025, 09:41:07 am »
 
Was The DC Aircraft Collision Another Matrix Attack On Civil Aviation?
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The incident yesterday near Reagan Airport in Washington, D.C. must be questioned. In today's environment, Occam's razor rules supreme.

I have thousands of hours in high-performance rotary-wing aircraft and a commercial ticket in rotary and fixed-wing.

In my view, this was not an accident. President Trump said as much last night on Truth Social.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2025, 09:43:44 am »
Military aircraft can dial up any frequency they want including some that commercial aircraft sometimes don't have the equipment for ("HF" frequencies). 

Transcontinental flights and some commercial/civilian aircraft operating in remote areas (New Guinea, Alaska) also utilize HF frequencies.

https://www.collinsaerospace.com/what-we-do/industries/military-and-defense/communications/airborne-communications/hf-communications

https://youtu.be/UIUvUuIt-n0?si=aYgYaNk_vQxFS5a4

Apparently some USA figure skaters on the AA CRJ airliner:  https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1884867286944592098

The info I had last night turns out to have been completely incorrect. I was told that the Helo was just taking off after a refueling stop. My bad.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2025, 09:46:31 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

Hegseth just said that they "had night vision goggles"... Unclear if that meant they were wearing them...

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« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2025, 09:46:59 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2025, 09:48:05 am »
Any of the Blackhawk crew muslim?

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« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2025, 09:48:37 am »
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A horrifying tragedy unfolded last night when an American Airlines regional jet and an Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter collided over the Potomac River near Washington, D.C. The crash, which left no survivors, has led to a grim recovery effort, with at least 27 bodies pulled from the water so far. Among the passengers were several U.S. figure skating team members and coaches.



This is tragic…. Something is very fishy IMO too. Sounds like some DEI leftovers from the Biden Admin may have set out to kill ppl tonight. Just awfully strange happens just as Hegseth and Duffy are confirmed. Amazingly MSM also happens to need a new “Trump's fault” story…This is way way too suspicious.

https://conservativeus.com/video-cnn-points-finger-at-trump-for-dc-plane-crash-ends-up-embarrassing-themselves/

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2025, 09:49:05 am »
Hegseth just said that they "had night vision goggles"... Unclear if that meant they were wearing them...

...an experienced helicopter pilot would not be wearing night vision goggles over a much lit area like RNA....
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2025, 09:49:06 am »
Things I would like to know.

Had the tower been in verbal contact with the helo?

What was its point of departure and what is known about the pilot?

Why didn't the pilot of the plane take avoidance measures?

If the tower had not been in contact with the helo, was this a drone or suicide "martyr" on a terrorist run?  That is very heavily controlled air space, and this kind of thing shouldn't happen.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2025, 09:50:43 am »
Memories come flooding back of the 1970 Wichita State Football Team who saw over 75% of them killed in a plane crash.

Six weeks later the plane carrying the Marshall Thundering Herd football team also crashed in West Virginia.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2025, 09:51:56 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

After reading through this thread this morning, I think it was both.  The ATC comms were not specific enough and the helo pilot's actions are unexplainable to me. Whatever the case, a bunch of folks who shouldn't be are still dead.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2025, 09:52:22 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

The helicopter increased altitude just before hitting the plane. Indications so far are the pilot decided to do that and was not directed by traffic controllers to do that. The helicopter was too high in that location.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2025, 09:53:49 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

I think you're probably right. At this point, it seems less about malice and more about (multiple) human errors.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2025, 09:54:26 am »
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Whatever the case, a bunch of folks who shouldn't be are still dead.

...and that's the sad truth.. :crying:
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2025, 09:56:43 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

It wasn't over the runway...both aircraft were over the Potomac, which is the main landmark and thoroughfare for all air traffic in and out of DC.  Two different controllers too...the civilian ATC and the military one at the airfield where the Blackhawk was based.  And the civilian ATC was in fact communicating with the Blackhawk only thirty seconds before the collision, asking the pilot if he had visual on the arriving 5342, and then directing him to fly behind it, at which point he collided with it. 

I think that this was just a  terrible accident, caused by miscommunication in a very busy approach lane in constricted space on a dark and blustery night.  Preventable, yes, but it happens in air travel, as any number of Youtube videos on previous crashes can attest.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2025, 10:01:20 am »
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DC plane crash was ‘needless loss of life,’ aviation rules may have been ‘violated’: attorney



The Wednesday night collision of a commercial American Airlines flight and a Black Hawk helicopter in Washington, D.C., was a “needless loss of life," and aviation rules may have been violated, according to aviation attorney Bob Clifford.

Clifford is the lead counsel representing families of victims involved in a 2019 Boeing 737 Max 8 crash that killed 157 persons in Ethiopia from Chicago.

“This morning President Trump came out and talked about how preventable it was that it should never have occurred, and that's true,” Clifford told Fox News Digital. “Here in this particular airport in our nation's capital, there's an intersection and convergence all the time between civil and military aircraft. So, yes, it's surprising to some folks that a military aircraft is anywhere near a commercial airport. But that's common in D.C., especially at Reagan, because you have the forts right across the Potomac.”

He added that there are “very strict rules about how those aircraft should interact with each other," and it appears “those rules may have been violated.”

“It's obviously too soon to tell, though the finger-pointing is beginning already, when you have the CEO of American Airlines pointing this fingers at the air traffic controller and the helicopter and their communications,” Clifford said. “So there will be but there's plenty of time for all of that, but certainly this was a needless loss of life.”

Clifford noted that audio from the air traffic controller appears to show an official giving the Black Hawk directions, first asking if the pilot sees the commercial aircraft and then telling the pilot to pass behind that aircraft, but there is no response before the crash.

“That's why there's been criticism of the of this night operation for the military that maybe the military shouldn't be anywhere near Reagan Airport at night when they're dealing with the visual issues of darkness and maybe even fog or other things,” Clifford explained. “… A lot of things to look at here, but we know it was a preventable loss of life, and it should not happen in this country.”
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2025, 10:02:38 am »
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I think that this was just a  terrible accident, caused by miscommunication in a very busy approach lane in constricted space on a dark and blustery night.  Preventable, yes, but it happens in air travel, as any number of Youtube videos on previous crashes can attest.

Agreed...
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« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2025, 10:07:44 am »
This is a good review and analysis by a real expert on aviation and the industry.


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