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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2300 on: March 11, 2025, 12:30:44 pm »
If you were familiar with this young lady's posting history, you'd see that she specifically suggested and endorsed providing nukes to Zellinsky.

On X, it is being reported that the Hungarians are now pissed at the Ukes for destroying a pipeline station in Russia that supplies oil to the Hunks.  Even accused them of of attack on their sovereignty.  Ol' Z's on a roll.
And Z probably can’t figure out why the Hungarians don’t support the endless war that is putting hardship on them too. Orban is no different than Trump, in that he puts Hungary and Hungarians first, over the Ukraine, the EU or anyone else.

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« Reply #2302 on: March 11, 2025, 01:22:25 pm »
If you were familiar with this young lady's posting history, you'd see that she specifically suggested and endorsed providing nukes to Zellinsky.

Ukraine is perfectly capable of building their own nuclear weapons and I've made clear that this is what they need to do.
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« Reply #2303 on: March 11, 2025, 01:24:50 pm »
Ukraine is perfectly capable of building their own nuclear weapons and I've made clear that this is what they need to do.

Your POV, and you have to live with it.
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« Reply #2304 on: March 11, 2025, 01:28:19 pm »
Your POV, and you have to live with it.

The day Ukraine announces they have nukes the Russians will end their war.

There's simply no downside to Ukraine having nukes. They were fools to give them up in the first place. No doubt they and everyone else has learned from this mistake.
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« Reply #2311 on: March 12, 2025, 07:57:38 am »
Cease Fire In Ukraine?

Powerline 3/11/2025

Representatives of the U.S. and Ukraine have been meeting in Saudi Arabia, with the result that Ukraine has agreed to a 30-day cease fire:

    The US state department has said in a joint statement with the Ukrainians that Washington will “immediately” lift the pause on intelligence-sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine.

    The US ban on intelligence-sharing was announced last week by the White House. At the time, US officials said the pause could be lifted if peace talks made progress.
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    Ukraine has agreed to accept an American proposal for an immediate 30-day ceasefire and to take steps toward restoring a durable peace after Russia’s invasion, according to the joint US-Ukraine statement.

    The two sides, meeting in Saudi Arabia, also agreed to conclude as soon as possible a comprehensive agreement for developing Ukraine’s mineral resources, the statement said.

Now it is Russia’s turn to be squeezed:

More: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/cease-fire-in-ukraine.php

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2317 on: March 12, 2025, 11:19:29 am »
Cease Fire In Ukraine?

Powerline 3/11/2025

Representatives of the U.S. and Ukraine have been meeting in Saudi Arabia, with the result that Ukraine has agreed to a 30-day cease fire:

    The US state department has said in a joint statement with the Ukrainians that Washington will “immediately” lift the pause on intelligence-sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine.

    The US ban on intelligence-sharing was announced last week by the White House. At the time, US officials said the pause could be lifted if peace talks made progress.
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    Ukraine has agreed to accept an American proposal for an immediate 30-day ceasefire and to take steps toward restoring a durable peace after Russia’s invasion, according to the joint US-Ukraine statement.

    The two sides, meeting in Saudi Arabia, also agreed to conclude as soon as possible a comprehensive agreement for developing Ukraine’s mineral resources, the statement said.

Now it is Russia’s turn to be squeezed:

More: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/cease-fire-in-ukraine.php

Putin cannot agree to a cease fire. Doing so would be an admission to the Russian people that Russia cannot defeat Ukraine.
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« Reply #2318 on: March 12, 2025, 11:24:35 am »
Putin cannot agree to a cease fire. Doing so would be an admission to the Russian people that Russia cannot defeat Ukraine.

And yet, if he doesn't agree, that's like him giving a middle finger to Pres. Trump's peace efforts.

Now it gets interesting ...
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« Reply #2319 on: March 12, 2025, 11:31:09 am »
Putin can always 'reframe' the objective of the 'Special Ukraine Operation' to suit his domestic political needs.

I suspect Putin would push for 'autonomy' for the Ukrainian territories occupied by the Russians.  Putin may not win the hot war, but he may set himself up to win another 'frozen war'.

Putin defines Russia as the 'Protector of Slavs' or 'Protector of Russian-speaking Peoples' to justify intervention in former Soviet territories.  He doesn't need to win outright, but can use this justification to cleave 'ethnic Russian' regions from indepenedent nations and wield more influence in them.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2320 on: March 12, 2025, 11:31:56 am »
And yet, if he doesn't agree, that's like him giving a middle finger to Pres. Trump's peace efforts.

Now it gets interesting ...

And in the analogy circus, a nice mix in 2 of the 3 rings between a "rock in a hard place" and "painting yourself in a corner"

And for us, the 3rd circle?   Not our Monkey, Not our Circus.  Let the chip's land where they may.  If this effort fails, Trump needs to just say F...it, and let the EU sort it out.
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« Reply #2321 on: March 12, 2025, 12:15:03 pm »
And yet, if he doesn't agree, that's like him giving a middle finger to Pres. Trump's peace efforts.

Now it gets interesting ...

Between hurting Trump's feelings and getting shot in the back of the head by one of his bodyguards I suspect Putin will choose to hurt Trump's feelings.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2322 on: March 12, 2025, 03:55:36 pm »
Reporting From Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/@RFU/videos

An abridged transcript.

[ Russians Make a Massive Strategic Miscalculation! ]

Today [ Mar 12, 8 pm ], there are important updates from the Kursk direction. Here, the Ukrainian forces started to shorten the frontline in the salient with a controlled withdrawal, while the Russians continued their multi-vector offensive. It is important to reiterate that the Ukrainian incursion into Russia’s Kursk region was never about holding territory indefinitely, but a calculated move with clear strategic objectives, designed to serve two primary purposes: first, to force the Russians to redeploy critical reserves away from the Donbas front in the east, preventing them from making rapid gains there;  and second, to potentially gain leverage in future negotiations by controlling Russian territory.
 
The secondary goal, holding Russian territory as leverage in potential negotiations, was ultimately being diminished due to shifting political dynamics. While controlling parts of Kursk oblast would have pressured Russia in any peace talks, shifting US foreign policy and the cutting of intelligence sharing with Ukraine, fundamentally altered the equation. While the diplomatic goal has become less relevant in the face of these changes, the first, of diverting forces away from Russian offensives in eastern Ukraine, has been a resounding success. Given these challenges, a strategic withdrawal to more defensible positions became the logical course of action, and the Ukrainian forces began a deliberate and controlled withdrawal from some positions, recognizing the risks of holding an increasingly vulnerable salient. Interestingly, the timing of this withdrawal correlates closely with the suspension of US intelligence sharing - something Russia quickly moved to exploit.

Overall, Ukraine's strategic position has improved significantly, since the start of the Kursk incursion. The operation forced Russia to divert critical reserves away from its theater-wide offensive effort, haling and reversing several key advances in the Donbas. While holding Russian territory as leverage proved unfeasible, the primary goal stabilizing the eastern front was successfully achieved. With Russia gaining localized advantages in Kursk, Ukraine's withdrawal is a tactical adjustment allowing forces to regroup and fight under more favorable conditions.


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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2323 on: March 12, 2025, 04:04:27 pm »
@BobfromWB  please edit your post to two or three paragraphs then provide the link to finish reading...thank you
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« Reply #2324 on: March 12, 2025, 04:49:36 pm »
OK I didn't realize there was a word/size limit to posts.
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« Reply #2325 on: March 12, 2025, 04:59:13 pm »
OK I didn't realize there was a word/size limit to posts.

More likely a copyright concern. You can excerpt content from a paid site like RFU News but reposting much more than a paragraph or two is asking for problems.

I generally post the link first and then make clear that I am excerpting by clearly labeling the excerpt like:

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« Reply #2326 on: March 12, 2025, 05:04:45 pm »
OK I didn't realize there was a word/size limit to posts.

That's okay..no problem...
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« Reply #2327 on: March 12, 2025, 05:06:15 pm »
More likely a copyright concern. You can excerpt content from a paid site like RFU News but reposting much more than a paragraph or two is asking for problems.

I generally post the link first and then make clear that I am excerpting by clearly labeling the excerpt like:

Excerpt:

Exactly...
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« Reply #2328 on: March 12, 2025, 05:09:33 pm »
If I am being really polite my excerpt disclaimer reads like this:

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OK I didn't realize there was a word/size limit to posts.

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« Reply #2335 on: March 13, 2025, 10:50:52 am »
 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 12, 2025

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-12-2025

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A leaked February 2025 document from a think tank close to the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) that outlined a possible Kremlin negotiating strategy is largely in line with the Kremlin's recent public rhetoric and the March 12 Russian insider source report.

The document calls for the creation of a buffer zone on the international Ukrainian-Russian border, including near Bryansk and Belgorod oblasts, and a “demilitarized zone” in southern Ukraine near Odessa Oblast and occupied Crimea. The document also states that Russia needs to “completely dismantle” the current Ukrainian government and rejects a possible Ukrainian commitment to not join NATO or to hold elections that include pro-Russian parties as insufficient measures. The document rejects any US plans to continue supplying weapons to Ukraine after any future peace deal and any Ukrainian plans to maintain its current number of military personnel.

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« Reply #2336 on: March 13, 2025, 11:52:33 am »
Putin cornered: Russian ultranationalists threaten ‘angry backlash’ to Ukraine ceasefire    
 
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“If he says no, he alienates Trump, and if he says yes, he alienates the nationalists at home.”
Putin is caught in a “trap”, says Professor Mark Galeotti, after the US declares the “ball is in Russia’s court” to accept a ceasefire deal in Ukraine.


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« Reply #2337 on: March 13, 2025, 11:53:54 am »
Olga Skabeeva says Russia has no reason to agree to a ceasefire   
 
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Russian state TV show “60 Minutes,” featuring host Olga Skabeeva and Director of the Center for Strategic Communications Dmitry Abzalov.


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« Reply #2338 on: March 13, 2025, 11:55:25 am »
Vladimir Solovyov says Russia won't agree to a ceasefire   
 
21K views  3 days ago
Russian state TV show “The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov,” featuring host Vladimir Solovyov.


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« Reply #2339 on: March 13, 2025, 11:57:20 am »

Voice of America 16 minutes ago (13 March 2025)

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top foreign policy aide on Thursday dismissed the United States’ 30-day ceasefire proposal for Russia’s war with Ukraine, saying it would merely provide Ukraine’s military with a temporary respite from fighting.

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« Reply #2340 on: March 13, 2025, 12:16:22 pm »
Putin wants Ukraine gone because he does not have control nor influence like he does in Belarus.  If Ukraine can't be brought under Russian control and domination, he'll destroy it all.
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« Reply #2341 on: March 13, 2025, 03:14:37 pm »
Voice of America 16 minutes ago (13 March 2025)

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top foreign policy aide on Thursday dismissed the United States’ 30-day ceasefire proposal for Russia’s war with Ukraine, saying it would merely provide Ukraine’s military with a temporary respite from fighting.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVSNOxehfALut52NbkfRBaA/community?lb=Ugkx1yLa5MbUTQ7FiWrzbekZ8TjhCfenmjFu


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Opinions about the President’s [ Putin ] words were divided.

“Vladimir Vladimirovich is a genius. A brilliant response to a truce. Now it will be necessary to give Trump a little, and we will break the Kyiv regime not only the supply of weapons, but also the mobilization, which will be a great success. And then it will become easier to achieve all the goals, the achievement of which is necessary for the future of Russia, ”a source in AP close to the president said.

But there are other opinions. The patriotic source, which some call the hawk, so commented on the situation: “What is happening now is humiliating, it hurts to look at it. As well as the fact that Vladimir Vladimirovich considers the liberation of the Kursk region a great victory . The eternal glory to the military, who were flying there, which free the region. But there were no such victims, and the enemy from the Kursk region had to be thrown out last fall.”

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« Reply #2342 on: March 13, 2025, 04:58:27 pm »
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« Reply #2343 on: March 13, 2025, 05:28:11 pm »
Not so fast --- V. V. only agrees to the idea of a ceasefire - all his original conditions have to be met first.
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« Reply #2344 on: March 13, 2025, 05:53:02 pm »
Not so fast --- V. V. only agrees to the idea of a ceasefire - all his original conditions have to be met first.

Right. He'll cease fire only after Ukraine surrenders.  *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #2345 on: March 13, 2025, 06:03:15 pm »
Not so fast --- V. V. only agrees to the idea of a ceasefire - all his original conditions have to be met first.

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Yes that was my understanding; Putin is agreeing to a ceasefire based on his original conditions; though from my understanding he is willing to sit down and talk with Trump.  That may have changed as Trump moves pretty rapidly.

Z has already made his negotiations with the U.S. as far as I can tell and he should have believed Trump when he told him he doesn't have any cards to play against Russia.
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« Reply #2346 on: March 13, 2025, 06:05:06 pm »
Right. He'll cease fire only after Ukraine surrenders.  *****rollingeyes*****


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« Reply #2347 on: March 13, 2025, 06:37:31 pm »
Right. He'll cease fire only after Ukraine surrenders.  *****rollingeyes*****


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« Reply #2348 on: March 13, 2025, 07:04:57 pm »

That's what I believe as well. 8888crybaby

That's not going to fly with Trump; I have more faith in our President than that.

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« Reply #2349 on: March 13, 2025, 07:07:13 pm »
That's not going to fly with Trump; I have more faith in our President than that.

Our president has no more control over Vladimir Putin than I do. The Russian oligarchs and Putin will decide what they will do next and so far it looks like their war will rage on.
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