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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2075 on: February 22, 2025, 03:37:00 pm »

Zelensky 'refuses to sign' Donald Trump's 'problematic' minerals deal amid tensions between world leaders

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By PERKIN AMALARAJ
22 February 2025

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is reportedly not ready to sign a controversial minerals deal with Donald Trump that may see him give away billions in critical elements and revenues.

A Ukrainian source told Sky News that there are 'a number of problematic issues' that need to be worked out. 

'The agreement is not yet ready to be signed, there are a number of problematic issues, and in the current form of the draft, the president is not ready to accept it', they told the broadcaster.

'Today, the drafts do not reflect a partnership in the agreement and contain only unilateral commitments by Ukraine.'

But just last night, Zelensky told a nightly video address that teams of American and Ukrainian negotiators are working on a draft agreement, signaling an imminent deal.

'This is an agreement that can strengthen our relations, and the key is to work out the details to ensure its effectiveness,' he said. 'I look forward to the outcome - a just result.'

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday evening: 'We're signing an agreement, hopefully in the next fairly short period of time.'

The exact terms are not yet clear, however Trump had been pushing for $500 billion worth of minerals in exchange for continued military support.

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2076 on: February 22, 2025, 04:47:28 pm »
How does Trump expect to collect from Ukraine after he makes them surrender to Russia?  :pondering:
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2077 on: February 22, 2025, 06:13:59 pm »
How does Trump expect to collect from Ukraine after he makes them surrender to Russia?  :pondering:

I was wondering that, too.  If Russia's demands are met and is granted all of Kherson (82% Ukrainian), Zaporizhzhia (70% Ukrainian), Donetsk (57% Ukrainian), and Luhansk (58% Ukrainian), they will then own all the resources that Trump wants.
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« Reply #2078 on: February 22, 2025, 06:36:40 pm »
How does Trump expect to collect from Ukraine after he makes them surrender to Russia?  :pondering:

He doesn’t.  His goal is to force Ukraine to surrender to Russia.

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« Reply #2079 on: February 22, 2025, 07:51:36 pm »
He doesn’t.  His goal is to force Ukraine to surrender to Russia.

Correct, and then transfer that $500 billion minerals "deal" over to Russia as the victor.  Hence, Rubio, Vance, and Bessent lied, or else tried to mislead Zelensky with vague verbal promises of a "defacto security guarantee," but then failed to put that guarantee into writing as Zelensky expected.  Instead, they gave him a document that all but handed over most of Ukraine's remaining mineral and other resources to the U.S., to be controlled by "New York law (!).  It was a deliberate shake-down attempt, even greater than what Putin's trying to do through military force. Zelensky was alert, read the fine print (or noted the lack of it), they got caught, and he got pissed.  Can't blame him one bit.

I bet Trump thinks he's being pretty clever, and would not be surprised if he actually does have some secret side deal with Putin.  If the U.S. can negotiate Ukraine's capitulation then Russia will allow the U.S. to share in the spoils.  That kind of tough guy gangster thinking appeals to Trump.

In the meantime, Trump's envoy, General Kellogg, has been talking to the Ukrainians nonstop as well as USEURCOM, and has had the scales fall from his eyes.  Notice that he did not necessarily go along with that first document that Trump's team handed Zelensky, and was nearly sidelined because of it, with Trump criticising him as being "too pro-Ukrainian."

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2080 on: February 22, 2025, 10:45:41 pm »
DAY 1095

Rare footage of Russians using an FAB against an actual military target instead of civilians.

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« Reply #2083 on: February 22, 2025, 10:52:19 pm »
Apologies if this has been posted already.  I think it is from a couple of days ago.

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2092 on: February 23, 2025, 06:52:46 am »
Trump said he would "end the war immediately". And he certainly is doing that. However, it may turn out to be a 'monkey paw wish'.

We do not know anything yet. But it would seem so far that Trump has decided to end the war by giving Russia close to 50% of everything they wanted, while giving the remaining 50% to an America/Ukraine partnership.

Trump and his staff are NOT stupid people. So I hope whatever they are doing is some kind of USCF 2500 level chess which nobody can figure out until the strategy becomes clear over time. Unexpected sacrifices are a well known strategy in chess, to gain advantage and eventually win the game.

I am as confused as everybody else. But like so many have written, I will wait to see how it all ends before getting too upset. After all, Trump is a well known unconventional wild-man. Still, based on history, what he does has very high probability of being beneficial to all involved in the end.
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