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« Reply #425 on: July 18, 2024, 08:09:05 am »
Translation; the kid was working with a pro.

The dumb random kid theory is rapidly evaporating. 
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« Reply #426 on: July 18, 2024, 08:16:03 am »
Hanlon's Razor.

Then there was stupidity compounded in Butler that day. Layers of it.
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« Reply #427 on: July 18, 2024, 08:29:59 am »
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1813761028683112623

BREAKING: U.S. Senators chase down USSS director Kimberly Cheatle in Milwaukee at the RNC.

The footage below was shared by Senator Marsha Blackburn.
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« Reply #428 on: July 18, 2024, 08:40:24 am »
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F.B.I. officials told members of Congress on Wednesday that the gunman who tried to kill former President Donald J. Trump had used his cellphone to search for images of Mr. Trump and President Biden — and also searched for dates of Trump appearances and the Democratic National Convention, according to a person on the private calls.

The F.B.I. has not found any indication that the gunman, Thomas Crooks, had strong partisan political views, based on the two phones among his possessions. The absence of “any political or ideological information” at his home in Pennsylvania was “notable” because most politically motivated would-be assassins leave a discernible trail of views, a top bureau official told lawmakers.

Here’s what else to know:

Focus on the Secret Service: Kimberly A. Cheatle, who became the director of the Secret Service less than 22 months ago after working at the agency for a quarter century, will face sharp scrutiny next week. She is scheduled to appear before two congressional committees that are examining the shooting, which threw her tenure into disarray.

Search for a suspicious person: New details emerged Tuesday about a search for the gunman, who was first spotted acting strangely by a police sniper about 20 to 25 minutes before the shooting, according to a local law enforcement official. The sniper took a photo, which was circulated to law enforcement agencies at the rally. Though considered suspicious, he appeared to be unarmed and not an immediate threat, the official said.

Shots fired: A county official also revealed that at least one local police officer had fired on the would-be assassin as shots erupted at the campaign rally. But it was uncertain if the local officer had hit the gunman, who was killed by Secret Service snipers, the agency has said. The detail came in a New York Times interview with the official, Richard Goldinger, the district attorney of Butler County, Pa.

Improvised bombs: After the gunman was killed, investigators found two improvised bombs in his car. The rudimentary devices were made with the kind of initiators used for fireworks shows and may have contained fertilizer. The devices were described in a report for law enforcement obtained by The New York Times.

Investigations underway: Multiple inquiries by law enforcement, Congress and federal agencies are grinding into gear, seeking to understand how a would-be assassin was able to injure a former president, kill one person and injure two others. Here’s what to know about the inquiries.
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« Reply #429 on: July 18, 2024, 09:26:54 am »

Back on Page 13, you posted this video.  Interesting assessment by this guy, but in the end, I disagree with him.

Lots of mistakes made, or planned assassination?  I'll go with the planned assassination.  Why?  Because I know and I can count on those doing the investigation to completely cover up what they find.  Can you EVER imagine an agency like the FBI revealing a plot to kill anyone?  Hell no!!!  In the tradition of the man that built the FBI, they would use the data they discern to CONTROL people in the future and use it against them when it suits them.  The FBI has not changed one iota since Hoover ran the corrupt organization.

Don't hold your breath for the truth on this incident to be revealed.  Crooks is the perfect patsy, fall guy, and it is all shaping up nicely to focus EXCLUSIVELY on him.  No one of consequence will address the water tower.  NO ONE!  The final chapter in this escapade is all but written.  A well choreographed assassination, and either the shooter is in a shallow grave, chopped or rendered dust by one means or another, or sitting on a veranda with a huge chunk of money for his services, where he is promising he will make good on his contract.

I do not believe this is over.  Trump's life is at greater risk today than it was yesterday.  And even with the best protection, a person with the will to complete a contract, who has skills to do the job, and is not attempting to weave the event to a patsy, that individual will complete their mission, close or far away.

Trump must end his outdoor assemblies, for they are more difficult to defend.  And that brings us to The Parallax View, a movie that may well spell the NEXT EFFORT.  Watch the movie those of you that have not seen it or remember it.  I believe it is gives a precise account of what can happen.  Made in 1974, I was shocked when I saw it.  It felt so real at the time, like it was more a documentary versus Hollywood drama.

The guy in that video might as well have CIA tattooed on his forehead as far as I'm concerned. He provides enough factual information to make himself seem credible while completely ignoring many much larger issues. I've seen this movie before. @jafo2010
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #430 on: July 18, 2024, 09:29:09 am »
I think he was part of the alphabet army!

I think it was a trans-terrorism fueled by our own government!

But hey Imagine my shock! 

These are the dangerous freaks that need to be on the FBI watch list.

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« Reply #431 on: July 18, 2024, 09:33:00 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside teh shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

Also, I'm hearing there was no ladder -- and that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on ton he roof.
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Was his backpack CLEAR plastic like everyone at concerts, sporting events, schools and large public gatherings must have? Yeah, didn’t think so.
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I don't think so because he didn't go through magnetnometers. And I'm hearing the gun was disassembled in the backpack and reassembled on the roof.
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Good question. You can't go to an MLB game or a pro golf tournament, or be a spectator at the Boston Marathon, without putting your stuff in a clear bag. But you can get within feet of a former President?
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« Reply #432 on: July 18, 2024, 09:35:53 am »
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Trump shooter wasn't 'threat' until he 'retrieved' weapon, Secret Service says

Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks was perceived by the U.S. Secret Service as a “person of interest,” not yet a “threat” after law enforcement saw him acting suspiciously and determined he had a golf range finder, according to Secret Service Spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.   

Crooks was only identified as a threat when he “retrieved the weapon” and climbed onto the roof, according to Guglielmi, who adds that a threat requires, “a different protocol and a different course of action than a person of interest.”

Guglielmi maintains that it was only once Crooks retrieved his weapon and got on the roof that he was identified as a threat.

Soon after that Butler Township police officers confronted Crooks on the roof and he pointed his weapon at one of them, who then dropped off the roof.

Crooks then fired on former president Trump and was taken out by a Secret Service counter sniper.

Fox News' Jake Gibson and David Spunt contributed to this report.
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« Reply #433 on: July 18, 2024, 09:54:23 am »
Can someone please explain to me the extreme disparity between trade Volume and the Day High for Trump’s stock #DJT for Thursday, July 11th and Friday, July 12th (the day before the assassination attempt).  ... See threads by Josh Walkos.

https://twitter.com/JoshWalkos/status/1813432855751483693

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« Reply #434 on: July 18, 2024, 10:04:17 am »
I've read that some media outlets inexplicably sent their top, Pulitzer Prize-winning photogs to the Trump rally, instead of just sending whomever was available. Did they suspect this rally in small town Butler, Pa., would be extraordinary?
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That Incredible Photo That Showed Donald Trump a Hair's Breadth Away from Being Struck by a Bullet?

Veteran War Correspondent @Michael_Yon Has QUESTIONS.

Award-winning war correspondent and professional photographer Michael Yon analyzed the incredible photo captured by a NY Times photographer.

The amazing photo showed a bullet just inches away from hitting former President Donald Trump in the ear. What he found was that the photographer's choice of equipment for a campaign rally was... UNUSUAL.

"I use the cameras regularly though rarely publish photos from them these days," Yon said on X. "The maximum shutter speed on all three of these cameras in 1/8000."

"The... New York Times photographer, Doug Mills, is quoted as shooting at 30fps 1/8000," he continued.

"Those are settings I would choose if I were trying to catch extremely fast action.  Such as a head exploding."

Yon makes it clear that he is only observing something extraordinary about the photographer's choice, given the circumstances.

"Am not suggesting anything at all.  Just as a war correspondent…I never cranked shutter that high even for anything.  I wanted to keep ISO lower.  Other professionals choose other settings."

The insight into the photographer's choice still adds to the mysterious circumstances around the Trump shooting.

While the Secret Service appeared to be the last to know about the threat posed by the shooter, there were a few members of the crowd that appeared to anticipate it.

Just a gut feeling on the part of some savvy political observers that something nefarious was about to go down? Perhaps.

After all, Joe Biden was struggling in the polls, the lawfare campaign was stifled, and the last way to get Trump out of the way just may have been a bullet.

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« Reply #435 on: July 18, 2024, 10:57:24 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.
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« Reply #436 on: July 18, 2024, 11:09:14 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.



Based on his "I make my July 13 debut" comments, I call bullshit.  If he was more interested in a mass casualty event, he'd chosen an even larger and less security laden event than a Trump rally.
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« Reply #437 on: July 18, 2024, 11:26:40 am »
Based on his "I make my July 13 debut" comments, I call bullshit.  If he was more interested in a mass casualty event, he'd chosen an even larger and less security laden event than a Trump rally.
That 'mass casualty' story is being generated as another cover-up.
He came there to shoot Trump. And he did.

He had hours with less security before Trump showed up to shoot at the crowd. If that is what he wanted.
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« Reply #438 on: July 18, 2024, 12:39:49 pm »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.

What? He used range finder to fine tune the one shot he wanted on Trump. It is almost considered unnessarry at that close of range (under 400 feet). If he just wanted to kill the crowd the spray method would work just fine at any range. One could put a lot of people down just ghetto peppering a packed crowd with a few mags before having return fire.

Another person commenting on something they know little about. Face it, the only thing that probable saved Trump was his movement and the fact the kid was now being hurried by a police officer that pressured him to hurry up. Also the kid decided for a head shot instead of a center mass shot.
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« Reply #440 on: July 18, 2024, 01:12:32 pm »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #442 on: July 18, 2024, 01:31:48 pm »
The biggest question on my mind is ... IF the shooter had been working with Security and the Event Management, what would have happened differently?
Would he have known which specific rooftop to stage?
Would the police have seen him and ignored him knowing he had a range finder?
Would they have continued with Trump knowing the shooter was there?
Would the snipers have seen the shooter and still not fired on him until he fired 12 shots?
All of these things happened.

If he had been working with someone overseeing the event and the security, everything would have happened exactly as it did. If he was not working with security or somebody, then every single thing he did just happened to be 100% correct every time the first time. It is as if he knew exactly when and where to go and what to do. He must be an experienced master assassin. Or he is the luckiest first time amature sniper ever.
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« Reply #443 on: July 18, 2024, 01:48:35 pm »
The biggest question on my mind is ... IF the shooter had been working with Security and the Event Management, what would have happened differently?
Would he have known which specific rooftop to stage?
Would the police have seen him and ignored him knowing he had a range finder?
Would they have continued with Trump knowing the shooter was there?
Would the snipers have seen the shooter and still not fired on him until he fired 12 shots?
All of these things happened.

If he had been working with someone overseeing the event and the security, everything would have happened exactly as it did. If he was not working with security or somebody, then every single thing he did just happened to be 100% correct every time the first time. It is as if he knew exactly when and where to go and what to do. He must be an experienced master assassin. Or he is the luckiest first time amature sniper ever.

The morning drive talk radio shows here in D.C. this morning spent an entire hour discussing the differences between "Incompetence" and "Nefarious" pertaining to the Secret Service protection on July 13th.

The consensus: Nefarious!!

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« Reply #444 on: July 18, 2024, 02:23:57 pm »
I haven't slept right since this attack happened.  What disturbs me is that I know this was a government sanctioned hit.  Why you may ask?

BECAUSE IT WAS FUBAR!  EVERYTHING THIS GOVERNMENT DOES UNDER WRECKING BALL JOE IS ABOUT FAILURE, DESTRUCTION AND TOTAL INCOMPETENCE.  THIS SCREAMS OF A PSY-OP, WITH THE VARIABLE BEING THE KID.  BEING RUSHED, PERHAPS THE PRO DID NOT SYNCH WITH CROOKS, AND HE BUGGED OUT.  HE WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED TO BE DETECTED, SO I SAY HE WAS AT THE WATER TOWER, OUT OF GENERAL VIEW OF MOST OF THE FOLKS ATTENDING THE RALLY.

And I find it enormously disturbing that the Secret Service knew there was a person of interest roaming about, and they let Trump make an appearance over one hour before.  Twenty minutes before they witnessed him using a range finder, and still they allowed Trump on stage.  And despite two full minutes people screaming out they saw Crooks on the roof with a rifle, the Secret Service did not approach Trump to remove him from the stage.

Someone key for the Secret Service effort that day, there at Butler was directly involved with this attack.  And yet, we hear nothing about even questions in that regard.

Harris is on TV speaking in NC, and I just want to toss my cookies, she is such a worm.  Now she is saying the Project 2025 is Trump's plan.  I am so tired of the lies coming from these clowns.

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« Reply #445 on: July 18, 2024, 02:30:28 pm »
The morning drive talk radio shows here in D.C. this morning spent an entire hour discussing the differences between "Incompetence" and "Nefarious" pertaining to the Secret Service protection on July 13th.

The consensus: Nefarious!!



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« Reply #446 on: July 18, 2024, 02:31:56 pm »
I said many pages ago on this thread that as I learn more, I have changed from LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) to MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose).

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« Reply #447 on: July 18, 2024, 02:56:55 pm »
Some people are fixated on the possibility that Trump's ear was hit by a shard of glass from the teleprompter, despite a complete lack of evidence (namely, post-shooting photos showing the prompters intact). Yes, shrapnel was my first thought, but when I saw the evidence, that theory was abandoned. I don't know why the shattered glass thing matters to them; even if that's what struck Trump, it's an assassination attempt/attempted murder.

 The first tweet is from a "journalist." The second is a response from someone who actually knows something about guns.

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how often have AR-15 bullets "pierced" part of someone's body, "ripping through the skin," while leaving the body part intact and without serious injury?
on the other hand it's easy to imagine a shard of shattered glass causing the bleeding Trump suffered
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So "journalist" @JohnJHarwood is clearly a bleep idiot who claims he isn't familiar with ballistics and is "only asking questions."  Well luckily I'm exceedingly familiar with how bullets work, so for the people in the audience who aren't dishonest boot licking shit heads, here goes.

Do bullets pierce bodies and just rip through the skin while leaving the rest of the body intact all the time? In fact, yes, this is where the super common term "grazed" comes from.

I like how he specifies AR-15, because for some totally honest (lol) reason libs like to pretend bullets fired from AR style rifles are somehow deadlier than other rifles, which is just bleep goofy, but whatever.

I'm going to try and keep this super simple, so even the dumbest motherfuckers in the audience (like liberal journalists) can understand.

A bullet is traveling at a high velocity. When that projectile hits something soft (like meat) it starts to poke a hole. Since this projectile is going fast, it has a lot of energy. That energy can keep driving the bullet straight through, or it is likely since the bullet went from air to something solid real sudden like, it may destabilize and tumble, or it may fragment into pieces, or a combo of both. That will depend on the construction/type of the bullet, how fast it is going, and what it hits while it goes through.

If a bullet is going through something soft and stretchy like muscles and organs it will behave different than if it hits something hard like bone. If bones fragment, those bits can even get sent off in different directions, creating new wound channels. That energy is pushing the bullet somewhere and moving stuff around (which makes the blood not go where it is supposed to!)

This is the kind of basic physics that causes idiots like @StephenKing to clutch his pearls about super magic death bullets whenever there's a shooting (well, shootings that are convenient for liberal politics, they ignore all the shootings where decent people shoot bad guys)

Now, I'm gonna say this SUPER SLOW FOR THE DUMB KIDS (like CNN employees) TO UNDERSTAND. The human ear isn't very meaty. It's rather thin. Which means that a bullet is going to hit it and zip right through. There's not enough tissue there to divert much of that energy. If a bullet zips through flesh at a very shallow angle, that energy is going to remain pushing the bullet out the other side. It isn't going to make the target explode, holy bleep, you bleep idiots.

If you go to the range (which the majority of these dipshits have never done, because back when I owned a gun store we offered free training to local journalists so they wouldn't be so incredibly bleep ignorant in their reporting, yet zero of them ever took us up on it) and shoot a piece of cardboard which is thicker than a human ear, the cardboard doesn't explode into pieces. The bullet pokes a hole. If you turn that piece of cardboard sideways and shoot it, the bullet will zip through and cut it, but it still won't explode. If you shoot a pot roast dead center it will react more violently. Duh.

You shouldn't even need to shoot guns to grasp this. It's basic physics, which I'm pretty sure isn't a required class to graduate from Journalism School. If a car travelling at high speeds t-bones another car, the reaction is very different than if those same two cars sideswipe each other. And depending on the angle of impact the damage taken by the cars will vary from totaled to just a scratch.

Surely John Hardwood of CNN, WSJ, NYT, and NBC can't be that bleep dumb, right? Like he'd be able to think about an important news topic logically before "just asking questions" pontificating like a bleep dork in front of millions of strangers.

Of course not. Don't be silly! We all know these guys are dishonest dogshit propagandists. I don't know why people still pretend any of these vapid bleep give a shit about truth.
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Hanlon's Razor.
The beauty of that is that it allows absolute malice to use incompetence as a mask.

Kinda like every Biden policy, ever.

In aggregate, however, 100% incompetence is too competent (at being incompetent) to be unplanned.
The truly incompetent screw even that up and get things right on occasion.
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