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« Reply #400 on: July 17, 2024, 09:13:01 pm »
 pointing-down   The bottom line truth:

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At some point before Trump walked on stage, Secret Service knew there was an armed gunman on that roof.

And they let Trump walk onto the stage anyway.

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« Reply #401 on: July 17, 2024, 09:34:09 pm »
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BREAKING - PunchBowl is reporting: Senate briefing on Trump rally shooting just concluded. Top lines, per 2 senators on the call:

—The shooter visited the rally site a few days in advance to scope it out
—62 mins elapsed between the time the shooter was photographed as being suspicious and when he fired the shots
—20 mins elapsed between the time he was spotted by snipers & when he fired the shots
—FBI Director Wray said there’s no known foreign nexus but no established motive as of now. Shooter used encrypted comms and had little to no social media presence
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If the shooter used encrypted coms, then WHO was the shooter communicating with? and doesn't that shoot down the idea the shooter was acting alone?
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« Reply #402 on: July 17, 2024, 09:36:02 pm »
Translation; the kid was working with a pro.
At least one.
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« Reply #404 on: July 17, 2024, 11:01:14 pm »
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NEW: Review of Trump shooter's laptop found searches for Trump, Biden, 'when is DNC convention' and 'July 13 Trump rally'.

In a message on the gaming platform Steam, Crooks wrote: "July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds" - Fox
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« Reply #405 on: July 17, 2024, 11:16:56 pm »
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Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 others


Did not realize you started another thread, with 17 pages already.   Wow!


But in regard to the above, when I read this, it is CLEARLY EVIDENT, that this assassination was planned, choreographed, and with the FBI investigating, it will be put to bed like the evening edition when the press operator starts that press.  The story is already fixed.

BUT!!!  BIG BUT!!!

These conspirators, and I think it safe to say that word NOW, CONSPIRATORS, they did not count on that counter sniper shooting his mouth off.  He best watch his back, for I fear he has an accident coming soon.

This stinks, I tell you, to the high heavens!

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« Reply #406 on: July 17, 2024, 11:28:33 pm »

Did not realize you started another thread, with 17 pages already.   Wow!


But in regard to the above, when I read this, it is CLEARLY EVIDENT, that this assassination was planned, choreographed, and with the FBI investigating, it will be put to bed like the evening edition when the press operator starts that press.  The story is already fixed.

BUT!!!  BIG BUT!!!

These conspirators, and I think it safe to say that word NOW, CONSPIRATORS, they did not count on that counter sniper shooting his mouth off.  He best watch his back, for I fear he has an accident coming soon.

This stinks, I tell you, to the high heavens!
I agree, this stinks to high heaven on ice.

The nonsense will only fool those who want to be fooled, and are more comfortable with isolated senseless acts of violence than with the idea that there is the level of corruption among those who are sworn to protect that is evident. It only takes a couple bad apples to spoil the barrel, and in events like this just a couple key players whose perfidy can result in their desired outcome.

We don't have all the answers, actually just a few pieces of the puzzle and not the whole picture, but we are pretty safe to say the shooter did not act alone (otherwise, why have comms?).
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« Reply #407 on: July 17, 2024, 11:31:24 pm »
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 U.S. Secret Service resources were diverted to Jill Biden's event and away from Trump's because they followed agency protocol applying to Trump as a former president, according to two sources within the Secret Service community.


Think about this for one moment.  The First Lady requires resources diverted from a protectee to protect her.  Absolute f***ing lie.  I am sure the numbers standing by waiting to protect her are ten deep.  Don't believe for a nanosecond they diverted those resources because they had to.  If anything, they diverted those resources to weaken the protection provided to Trump.  Perhaps to remove resources that were not in on the planned kill for Trump. 

That's right, I am saying what we all are witnessing is a government sponsored assassination, and it went haywire.  And now they are struggling with the cover up, despite having experts at covering up sh*t like the stinking FBI. 

The next few months should be interesting.  But one thing is certain.  These government agencies cannot afford to have Trump become POTUS, because he may well make waves to get to the truth about who, what, where, when and how is behind this attempt against him.  The emphasis to take him out is elevated way beyond what we can imagine.

He better have his own team of security, because the Secret Service cannot be trusted, any more than the FBI.

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« Reply #408 on: July 17, 2024, 11:38:58 pm »
   I think it's very odd that the collective Americans ask themselves how this could ever happen again.  So quickly forgetting who was behind the JFK assassination.
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #409 on: July 17, 2024, 11:42:07 pm »
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On top of that they stood Trump up instead of continuing to surround him and cover him -- according to a report from Beck, Trump was shot a second time.  I have seen no other reports of this though.

Inside hit job? Absolutely. I have no doubt.


When I saw Trump stand up after being covered over for a minute or so, with a clean shot setup, my first thought was, what the f*** are they doing, they are exposing him to a would be 2nd shooter.  Every person on that detail should be terminated, with extreme prejudice.  All that training, and they let the protectee stand up and expose himself.  Ugggh!!!

You can smell the stink of this a full light year away!

This was a government assassination attempt, using the harvested kid to be the patsy.  I would not be surprised that at any given time, there are a score of such people being developed for just such an event.  Utterly clueless as to their role in the grand scheme of things.

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« Reply #410 on: July 18, 2024, 12:30:20 am »
If the shooter used encrypted coms, then WHO was the shooter communicating with? and doesn't that shoot down the idea the shooter was acting alone?

Signal is what was on his phone. If you use WhatsApp, or any number of other popular messaging tools, you too are capable of encrypted end-to-end comms.

I'll do you one better.... my family uses NEXT with specialized custom add-ons... the whole family cloud is encrypted. There is nothing nefarious about that.

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« Reply #411 on: July 18, 2024, 01:21:57 am »
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 With Trump recently saying that Pompeo talked him out of what was Legally required~Release all the JFK assassination records, He now says he'll do it.
   I'd bet also he'll get to the bottom of this assassination attempt on him and release ALL THE RECORDS on this.
   Some heads will indubitably roll, no doubt.

The real question here, why did Trump NOT release this information when he had a chance?  WHY???  Trump obviously covered for several government organizations, CIA, FBI, and who knows who/what else.  If there was substance there that pointed to government agencies, he would have had the ability to change things within that agency.  He did nothing.  A BIG FAT NOTHING!!!  And don't think for a moment anything has changed since 1963 when it comes to the abilities of these agencies.  If anything, they have become more adept at manipulation, control, cover up, etc.

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« Reply #412 on: July 18, 2024, 01:55:24 am »
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So, people in the Biden admin got all the SS agents to agree to assassinate Trump? And nobody objected or squealed to the media? Really?

You are STILL spewing this moronic thinking?  Absolutes of everyone.  Uggh.  Yes, every member of the Secret Service, including the ones stationed at the Artic were in on the assassination.

At a minimum, one of the key players at Butler, ONE decision maker, and ONE psy-op person manipulating Crooks.  And then, the people in the chain, perhaps as high as Mayorcas(or higher), that ordered the hit.  A small handful.  Small, get your dictionary out and read the definition of SMALL. Oh, and the assassin.  And he could of been anyone, domestic, foreign, but most likely dead and buried in a shallow grave, or fed into one of those tree chippers, and literally dust.  You and the rest of the world will NEVER know!

So many questions not being asked.  I have attended a Trump rally, and the area was sealed, requiring all attendees to go through the same equipment as at an airport.  How did the rifle Crooks had get within the secured area?  It had to be hidden in advance before security was established, which I would assume happened days prior to the event.  ONE SS agent, or ONE local LE person could have positioned the rifle with ammo in a safe place for Crooks.  I doubt he carried the rifle and ammo into the secured area.

Apparently, those of you that assume it was the ENTIRE SECRET SERVICE do little to no reading, watch few to no movies to have a reference of what it takes to establish a hit.  An excellent movie that portrays exactly what might have been involved is the movie THE PACKAGE, with Gene Hackman and Tommy Lee Jones.  And the movie includes a patsy that gets conveniently killed.  The conspirators included one assassin, and a handful of co-conspirators.  Had Hackman's character not been persistent, the assassination would have gone off smooth as silk.

In the case of Trump, it might not have been anything more than divine providence that saved his life.  With the info about the water tower, seen only on this thread, I have not heard a peep in our utterly WORTHLESS NEWS MEDIA, or REPORTS FROM THE F***STICKS conducting the investigation in news segments, this is clearly shaping up to a classic plot of pro assassin, and patsy chump who is clueless.

And for those of you waiting to see if any bullets gathered matching to one rifle or not, I will tell you now, DEFINITIVELY, that there will be evidence of ONE RIFLE ONLY PRESENTED, even if there were 2-4 rifles proven to have been used.  More than one rifle raises the status of the event to CONSPIRACY, and points that there are other players.  If the FBI can be counted on for anything, it is that their rug is fully capable of hiding half a planet of information.

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #413 on: July 18, 2024, 01:59:53 am »
Hanlon's Razor.

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« Reply #414 on: July 18, 2024, 02:07:38 am »
BTW, it appears Crooks attended Steel Valley Technical for part of his education.  Back in the day, it was people that did not have academic prowess that went there.  But today, with the following disciplines, I can see a greater mix of kids attending there.  Crooks had one gold rope around his neck in his graduation outfit, which means he graduated with honors.

Steel Valley Disciples:

- Construction
- Culinary
-  IT
-  Automotive
-  Mechanical

I believe Crooks was there for the IT focus.

My conclusion:  he is the perfect patsy.  PERFECT!!!!!

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« Reply #415 on: July 18, 2024, 04:03:04 am »
People should go to a Biden rally with backpacks, rangefinders, ladders and see if they are given free roam. Be sure to change your voting habits first and erase all leads to this forum. /end Sarcasm (don't come knocking SS).
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« Reply #416 on: July 18, 2024, 04:51:21 am »
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https://youtu.be/tVn_56UcCIc


Back on Page 13, you posted this video.  Interesting assessment by this guy, but in the end, I disagree with him.

Lots of mistakes made, or planned assassination?  I'll go with the planned assassination.  Why?  Because I know and I can count on those doing the investigation to completely cover up what they find.  Can you EVER imagine an agency like the FBI revealing a plot to kill anyone?  Hell no!!!  In the tradition of the man that built the FBI, they would use the data they discern to CONTROL people in the future and use it against them when it suits them.  The FBI has not changed one iota since Hoover ran the corrupt organization.

Don't hold your breath for the truth on this incident to be revealed.  Crooks is the perfect patsy, fall guy, and it is all shaping up nicely to focus EXCLUSIVELY on him.  No one of consequence will address the water tower.  NO ONE!  The final chapter in this escapade is all but written.  A well choreographed assassination, and either the shooter is in a shallow grave, chopped or rendered dust by one means or another, or sitting on a veranda with a huge chunk of money for his services, where he is promising he will make good on his contract.

I do not believe this is over.  Trump's life is at greater risk today than it was yesterday.  And even with the best protection, a person with the will to complete a contract, who has skills to do the job, and is not attempting to weave the event to a patsy, that individual will complete their mission, close or far away.

Trump must end his outdoor assemblies, for they are more difficult to defend.  And that brings us to The Parallax View, a movie that may well spell the NEXT EFFORT.  Watch the movie those of you that have not seen it or remember it.  I believe it is gives a precise account of what can happen.  Made in 1974, I was shocked when I saw it.  It felt so real at the time, like it was more a documentary versus Hollywood drama.


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« Reply #417 on: July 18, 2024, 05:09:45 am »
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Extract from transcript from Glenn Beck Show:

GLENN: So we're about to have Dallas Alexander on. Do you know who he is?

JASON: Oh, yeah. Very, very famous sniper here.

GLENN: Yeah. So he's a sniper, and he says, there's no way this happened without help. I don't want to go there. I don't want to believe that.

Because that takes us into an entirely different world.


Well, all of you, you better get to that entirely different world, because that is exactly where we are.  This is huge  HUGE!!!

You can accept what your gut is screaming, or you can accept the ready made cover up.  The moment I heard the FBI was heading this investigation, in that moment, I knew we the people would NOT hear the truth.  Not a f***ing word of it.

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« Reply #418 on: July 18, 2024, 06:16:19 am »
Again, listening to the recording of Glen Beck interviewing Dallas Alexander, a retired Canadian sniper with the world record kill of 2.1 miles.

Dallas through the interview:
'Someone within the inside had to help with this'.

'You cannot walk through layers of security like that and take a shot like that!'

'there had to be someone that helped with that'.

'I saw it flash on the TV screen at a restaurant, and that building and water tower in the background, you don't need special training  for that.  [implying to know those are places that need to be manned or watched!]

Ask about being in the position of counter sniper, did you or would you need to wait orders to fire at a would be sniper?

'in the jobs I have done, and I have the position of counter sniper, you are shooting and not waiting for permission.'

'not a hard shot'.

'without a lot of training, it is not a sure shot'.

'to miss something that obvious(Crooks, the sniper), there is not an explanation.'

Dallas also indicated that this cannot be explained away as incompetence either.  Too many holes here for that.  [As I have said all along, this was planned.  Perhaps because the patsy was rushed, the true shot never took place, or one of about a hundred explanations for why it executed the way it did.]

I believe this was a federal government planned hit on President Trump, and it had to be ordered by someone high enough to make all the pieces fall in place.  This was not the plan of a 20 year old boy, barely wet behind the ears.  He had co-conspirators.  And perhaps they are dead already.  I doubt we will ever hear a word of truth in the next 20-30 years.  And since Trump survived the attack, it will not carry the same curiosity as if he had been shot dead.  Like yesterday's news, this story will rest at the bottom of the bird cage, to use a line from a movie in the past.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f9_S_zEZ-I
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« Reply #419 on: July 18, 2024, 06:32:03 am »
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/the-undying-necessity-of-moral-courage-5687359


This is an EXCELLENT piece.  Everyone must read this.

And if I might add one more thought.  As I have said repeatedly, whoever runs the show, if they decide to use the ones and zeroes, even Trump appearing as the beloved hero he appears to be from Saturday, just will not stop the power of the ones and the zeroes and the mindset of the real person behind the curtain.

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« Reply #420 on: July 18, 2024, 06:37:38 am »
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So, what’s my larger point?  Our alphabet agencies had better be scrubbing his experience at the shooting range(s).  Who were his companions?  Was anyone in an apparent mentoring role? How much time did he spend there and did he shoot at different distances?  What kinds of questions did he ask of other shooters.  All those things.


Pal, we are the same age, yet you still believe in fairy tales.  You actually think they are going to conduct an investigation.  Almost had me ROFLMAO.

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« Reply #421 on: July 18, 2024, 07:03:32 am »
Secret Service says it's appalled by DEI rhetoric against female agents after Trump rally shooting

The Secret Service, in a statement to NBC News, said that the criticism from pundits and influencers was baseless. The agency also stood by its commitment to diversity in recruiting as helping, not hurting, the effectiveness of its protective teams.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/secret-service-condemns-backlash-against-women-agents-rcna161928

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« Reply #422 on: July 18, 2024, 07:14:32 am »
Trump Assassination Attempt: Line of Sight Questions Go Beyond a Sloped Roof

Legal Insurrection by Mary Chastain Wednesday, July 17, 2024

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/07/trump-assassination-attempt-line-of-sight-questions-go-beyond-a-sloped-roof/

“Agents would have conducted a site ‘sweep’ that included assessing where a sniper might position themselves.”

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle claimed no one placed security on the roof where Thomas Crooks positioned himself to shoot former President Donald Trump because of a sloped roof.

But the questions regarding the line of sight expand further than the lack of security on the roof.

Olivier Knox at U.S. News & World Report has covered numerous presidential rallies and campaigns.

Knox’s latest article, with Aneeta Mathur-Ashton, detailed the steps the Secret Service would take to secure the former president, especially from potential sniper positions.

Eliminating sniper positions became a priority after JFK’s assassination in 1963:

    The Secret Service has well-practiced protocols for securing a rally by a president or major presidential candidate, involving counterassault commandos and sniper teams in addition to the protective detail like the one that swarmed Trump at the podium and covered him with their bodies until word came that the shooter was dead.

    Agents would have conducted a site “sweep” that included assessing where a sniper might position themselves. It’s been one of the most well-known threats to presidential security since President John F. Kennedy’s 1963 assassination in Dallas.

These steps include (emphasis mine):

•   Posting a Secret Service agent or local law enforcement officer on a rooftop.

•   Assigning a counter-sniper team to monitor a rooftop.

•   Putting up something to make it impossible to see the stage from a rooftop (a screen, tents – in the past, some campaign rallies even used stacked shipping containers). The armored presidential limousine, nicknamed “The Beast,” regularly pulls into a tent outside events.

•   Frequent patrols.

Look at the photos that combat veteran Sean Parnell dropped, which expose the lack of objects guarding Trump’s stage.

Ignore the community note on the second tweet. Sean pointed out that security did not place anything to block that line of sight.


https://twitter.com/SeanParnellUSA/status/1813632833547845873


https://twitter.com/SeanParnellUSA/status/1813240829919539633

One red truck. Nothing else.

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) insisted every political event for presidents or Congressional candidates required “ALL windows, balconies, parking garages, and roofs with line of sight to the stage are covered and cleared.”

The Secret Service did not sweep the shed.

We also learned that Crooks visited the rally site days before Trump’s rally.



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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #423 on: July 18, 2024, 07:29:41 am »
Secret Service says it's appalled by DEI rhetoric against female agents after Trump rally shooting

The Secret Service, in a statement to NBC News, said that the criticism from pundits and influencers was baseless. The agency also stood by its commitment to diversity in recruiting as helping, not hurting, the effectiveness of its protective teams.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/secret-service-condemns-backlash-against-women-agents-rcna161928

Diversity in and of itself, doesn't hurt effectiveness. It's when you choose diversity over merit, that is where my problem begins.

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« Reply #424 on: July 18, 2024, 07:35:50 am »
Pure nonsense!!!!!!!

This DEI crap must end immediately.  Anyone dumb enough to assign what looks like a 5'4" woman to defend Trump(6'3" or 6'4") should be terminated.  TOTAL INCOMPETENCE.

Liberalism is an absolute form of insanity.  This assassination attempt is a screaming glaring example to prove what I am saying.

EVERYONE, from the director of the SS to every person from the SS in that Butler, PA crime scene, including the advance team needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.  Someone within those ranks is guilty of attempted murder, or perhaps more than one someone.  We the people will never know the truth.

But the good news is that the Department of Homeland Security DHS intends to launch its own investigation.  I feel so much more comfortable that we have one more agency conducting an investigation.  Don't you?

A sh*t ton of foxes investigating who raided the hen house, and the US media is holding its breath to unvail the compelling true stories all this fine investigating will produce.  We can all rest now.  DHS, FBI, ATF, SS, and probably half a dozen other agencies with multiple letters are conducting their own investigation.

If Trump does get elected, he needs to eliminate the FBI, DHS, SS, and CIA.  And there are 15 other agencies connected to intelligence.  It all needs to be scaled back.  I say get rid of everyone above first line supervision.  EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.  Restructure the organizations, where they must answer to someone, and are not left to roam as they presently do answering to no one.

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« Reply #425 on: July 18, 2024, 08:09:05 am »
Translation; the kid was working with a pro.

The dumb random kid theory is rapidly evaporating. 
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« Reply #426 on: July 18, 2024, 08:16:03 am »
Hanlon's Razor.

Then there was stupidity compounded in Butler that day. Layers of it.
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« Reply #427 on: July 18, 2024, 08:29:59 am »
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1813761028683112623

BREAKING: U.S. Senators chase down USSS director Kimberly Cheatle in Milwaukee at the RNC.

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« Reply #428 on: July 18, 2024, 08:40:24 am »
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F.B.I. officials told members of Congress on Wednesday that the gunman who tried to kill former President Donald J. Trump had used his cellphone to search for images of Mr. Trump and President Biden — and also searched for dates of Trump appearances and the Democratic National Convention, according to a person on the private calls.

The F.B.I. has not found any indication that the gunman, Thomas Crooks, had strong partisan political views, based on the two phones among his possessions. The absence of “any political or ideological information” at his home in Pennsylvania was “notable” because most politically motivated would-be assassins leave a discernible trail of views, a top bureau official told lawmakers.

Here’s what else to know:

Focus on the Secret Service: Kimberly A. Cheatle, who became the director of the Secret Service less than 22 months ago after working at the agency for a quarter century, will face sharp scrutiny next week. She is scheduled to appear before two congressional committees that are examining the shooting, which threw her tenure into disarray.

Search for a suspicious person: New details emerged Tuesday about a search for the gunman, who was first spotted acting strangely by a police sniper about 20 to 25 minutes before the shooting, according to a local law enforcement official. The sniper took a photo, which was circulated to law enforcement agencies at the rally. Though considered suspicious, he appeared to be unarmed and not an immediate threat, the official said.

Shots fired: A county official also revealed that at least one local police officer had fired on the would-be assassin as shots erupted at the campaign rally. But it was uncertain if the local officer had hit the gunman, who was killed by Secret Service snipers, the agency has said. The detail came in a New York Times interview with the official, Richard Goldinger, the district attorney of Butler County, Pa.

Improvised bombs: After the gunman was killed, investigators found two improvised bombs in his car. The rudimentary devices were made with the kind of initiators used for fireworks shows and may have contained fertilizer. The devices were described in a report for law enforcement obtained by The New York Times.

Investigations underway: Multiple inquiries by law enforcement, Congress and federal agencies are grinding into gear, seeking to understand how a would-be assassin was able to injure a former president, kill one person and injure two others. Here’s what to know about the inquiries.
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« Reply #429 on: July 18, 2024, 09:26:54 am »

Back on Page 13, you posted this video.  Interesting assessment by this guy, but in the end, I disagree with him.

Lots of mistakes made, or planned assassination?  I'll go with the planned assassination.  Why?  Because I know and I can count on those doing the investigation to completely cover up what they find.  Can you EVER imagine an agency like the FBI revealing a plot to kill anyone?  Hell no!!!  In the tradition of the man that built the FBI, they would use the data they discern to CONTROL people in the future and use it against them when it suits them.  The FBI has not changed one iota since Hoover ran the corrupt organization.

Don't hold your breath for the truth on this incident to be revealed.  Crooks is the perfect patsy, fall guy, and it is all shaping up nicely to focus EXCLUSIVELY on him.  No one of consequence will address the water tower.  NO ONE!  The final chapter in this escapade is all but written.  A well choreographed assassination, and either the shooter is in a shallow grave, chopped or rendered dust by one means or another, or sitting on a veranda with a huge chunk of money for his services, where he is promising he will make good on his contract.

I do not believe this is over.  Trump's life is at greater risk today than it was yesterday.  And even with the best protection, a person with the will to complete a contract, who has skills to do the job, and is not attempting to weave the event to a patsy, that individual will complete their mission, close or far away.

Trump must end his outdoor assemblies, for they are more difficult to defend.  And that brings us to The Parallax View, a movie that may well spell the NEXT EFFORT.  Watch the movie those of you that have not seen it or remember it.  I believe it is gives a precise account of what can happen.  Made in 1974, I was shocked when I saw it.  It felt so real at the time, like it was more a documentary versus Hollywood drama.

The guy in that video might as well have CIA tattooed on his forehead as far as I'm concerned. He provides enough factual information to make himself seem credible while completely ignoring many much larger issues. I've seen this movie before. @jafo2010
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« Reply #430 on: July 18, 2024, 09:29:09 am »
I think he was part of the alphabet army!

I think it was a trans-terrorism fueled by our own government!

But hey Imagine my shock! 

These are the dangerous freaks that need to be on the FBI watch list.

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« Reply #431 on: July 18, 2024, 09:33:00 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside teh shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

Also, I'm hearing there was no ladder -- and that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on ton he roof.
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Was his backpack CLEAR plastic like everyone at concerts, sporting events, schools and large public gatherings must have? Yeah, didn’t think so.
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I don't think so because he didn't go through magnetnometers. And I'm hearing the gun was disassembled in the backpack and reassembled on the roof.
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« Reply #432 on: July 18, 2024, 09:35:53 am »
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Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks was perceived by the U.S. Secret Service as a “person of interest,” not yet a “threat” after law enforcement saw him acting suspiciously and determined he had a golf range finder, according to Secret Service Spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.   

Crooks was only identified as a threat when he “retrieved the weapon” and climbed onto the roof, according to Guglielmi, who adds that a threat requires, “a different protocol and a different course of action than a person of interest.”

Guglielmi maintains that it was only once Crooks retrieved his weapon and got on the roof that he was identified as a threat.

Soon after that Butler Township police officers confronted Crooks on the roof and he pointed his weapon at one of them, who then dropped off the roof.

Crooks then fired on former president Trump and was taken out by a Secret Service counter sniper.

Fox News' Jake Gibson and David Spunt contributed to this report.
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« Reply #433 on: July 18, 2024, 09:54:23 am »
Can someone please explain to me the extreme disparity between trade Volume and the Day High for Trump’s stock #DJT for Thursday, July 11th and Friday, July 12th (the day before the assassination attempt).  ... See threads by Josh Walkos.

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« Reply #434 on: July 18, 2024, 10:04:17 am »
I've read that some media outlets inexplicably sent their top, Pulitzer Prize-winning photogs to the Trump rally, instead of just sending whomever was available. Did they suspect this rally in small town Butler, Pa., would be extraordinary?
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That Incredible Photo That Showed Donald Trump a Hair's Breadth Away from Being Struck by a Bullet?

Veteran War Correspondent @Michael_Yon Has QUESTIONS.

Award-winning war correspondent and professional photographer Michael Yon analyzed the incredible photo captured by a NY Times photographer.

The amazing photo showed a bullet just inches away from hitting former President Donald Trump in the ear. What he found was that the photographer's choice of equipment for a campaign rally was... UNUSUAL.

"I use the cameras regularly though rarely publish photos from them these days," Yon said on X. "The maximum shutter speed on all three of these cameras in 1/8000."

"The... New York Times photographer, Doug Mills, is quoted as shooting at 30fps 1/8000," he continued.

"Those are settings I would choose if I were trying to catch extremely fast action.  Such as a head exploding."

Yon makes it clear that he is only observing something extraordinary about the photographer's choice, given the circumstances.

"Am not suggesting anything at all.  Just as a war correspondent…I never cranked shutter that high even for anything.  I wanted to keep ISO lower.  Other professionals choose other settings."

The insight into the photographer's choice still adds to the mysterious circumstances around the Trump shooting.

While the Secret Service appeared to be the last to know about the threat posed by the shooter, there were a few members of the crowd that appeared to anticipate it.

Just a gut feeling on the part of some savvy political observers that something nefarious was about to go down? Perhaps.

After all, Joe Biden was struggling in the polls, the lawfare campaign was stifled, and the last way to get Trump out of the way just may have been a bullet.

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« Reply #435 on: July 18, 2024, 10:57:24 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.
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« Reply #436 on: July 18, 2024, 11:09:14 am »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.



Based on his "I make my July 13 debut" comments, I call bullshit.  If he was more interested in a mass casualty event, he'd chosen an even larger and less security laden event than a Trump rally.
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« Reply #437 on: July 18, 2024, 11:26:40 am »
Based on his "I make my July 13 debut" comments, I call bullshit.  If he was more interested in a mass casualty event, he'd chosen an even larger and less security laden event than a Trump rally.
That 'mass casualty' story is being generated as another cover-up.
He came there to shoot Trump. And he did.

He had hours with less security before Trump showed up to shoot at the crowd. If that is what he wanted.
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« Reply #438 on: July 18, 2024, 12:39:49 pm »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.

What? He used range finder to fine tune the one shot he wanted on Trump. It is almost considered unnessarry at that close of range (under 400 feet). If he just wanted to kill the crowd the spray method would work just fine at any range. One could put a lot of people down just ghetto peppering a packed crowd with a few mags before having return fire.

Another person commenting on something they know little about. Face it, the only thing that probable saved Trump was his movement and the fact the kid was now being hurried by a police officer that pressured him to hurry up. Also the kid decided for a head shot instead of a center mass shot.
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« Reply #440 on: July 18, 2024, 01:12:32 pm »
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IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a mass Vegas-style shooting and wasn't initially planning to attempt to assassinate Trump.

He changed his mind after he was scrambling to escape police and climbed onto the roof.

When he saw that nobody was on the roof and he had a clean shot at Trump, he went for it. No one can completely get inside the shooter's head because he's dead. But high-level sources within the Secret Service are convinced that he was planning to shoot at the crowd because he used his range-finder on the ground first and was trying to escape police when he scrambled onto the roof.

I'm also hearing that he assembled the gun from parts in his backpack once on the roof. I'm told he DID NOT use the range-finder on the roof -- maybe why his shot at Trump was off and the fact that he failed to get into or got cut from his h.s. shooting club.
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« Reply #442 on: July 18, 2024, 01:31:48 pm »
The biggest question on my mind is ... IF the shooter had been working with Security and the Event Management, what would have happened differently?
Would he have known which specific rooftop to stage?
Would the police have seen him and ignored him knowing he had a range finder?
Would they have continued with Trump knowing the shooter was there?
Would the snipers have seen the shooter and still not fired on him until he fired 12 shots?
All of these things happened.

If he had been working with someone overseeing the event and the security, everything would have happened exactly as it did. If he was not working with security or somebody, then every single thing he did just happened to be 100% correct every time the first time. It is as if he knew exactly when and where to go and what to do. He must be an experienced master assassin. Or he is the luckiest first time amature sniper ever.
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« Reply #443 on: July 18, 2024, 01:48:35 pm »
The biggest question on my mind is ... IF the shooter had been working with Security and the Event Management, what would have happened differently?
Would he have known which specific rooftop to stage?
Would the police have seen him and ignored him knowing he had a range finder?
Would they have continued with Trump knowing the shooter was there?
Would the snipers have seen the shooter and still not fired on him until he fired 12 shots?
All of these things happened.

If he had been working with someone overseeing the event and the security, everything would have happened exactly as it did. If he was not working with security or somebody, then every single thing he did just happened to be 100% correct every time the first time. It is as if he knew exactly when and where to go and what to do. He must be an experienced master assassin. Or he is the luckiest first time amature sniper ever.

The morning drive talk radio shows here in D.C. this morning spent an entire hour discussing the differences between "Incompetence" and "Nefarious" pertaining to the Secret Service protection on July 13th.

The consensus: Nefarious!!

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« Reply #444 on: July 18, 2024, 02:23:57 pm »
I haven't slept right since this attack happened.  What disturbs me is that I know this was a government sanctioned hit.  Why you may ask?

BECAUSE IT WAS FUBAR!  EVERYTHING THIS GOVERNMENT DOES UNDER WRECKING BALL JOE IS ABOUT FAILURE, DESTRUCTION AND TOTAL INCOMPETENCE.  THIS SCREAMS OF A PSY-OP, WITH THE VARIABLE BEING THE KID.  BEING RUSHED, PERHAPS THE PRO DID NOT SYNCH WITH CROOKS, AND HE BUGGED OUT.  HE WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED TO BE DETECTED, SO I SAY HE WAS AT THE WATER TOWER, OUT OF GENERAL VIEW OF MOST OF THE FOLKS ATTENDING THE RALLY.

And I find it enormously disturbing that the Secret Service knew there was a person of interest roaming about, and they let Trump make an appearance over one hour before.  Twenty minutes before they witnessed him using a range finder, and still they allowed Trump on stage.  And despite two full minutes people screaming out they saw Crooks on the roof with a rifle, the Secret Service did not approach Trump to remove him from the stage.

Someone key for the Secret Service effort that day, there at Butler was directly involved with this attack.  And yet, we hear nothing about even questions in that regard.

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« Reply #445 on: July 18, 2024, 02:30:28 pm »
The morning drive talk radio shows here in D.C. this morning spent an entire hour discussing the differences between "Incompetence" and "Nefarious" pertaining to the Secret Service protection on July 13th.

The consensus: Nefarious!!



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I said many pages ago on this thread that as I learn more, I have changed from LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) to MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose).

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« Reply #447 on: July 18, 2024, 02:56:55 pm »
Some people are fixated on the possibility that Trump's ear was hit by a shard of glass from the teleprompter, despite a complete lack of evidence (namely, post-shooting photos showing the prompters intact). Yes, shrapnel was my first thought, but when I saw the evidence, that theory was abandoned. I don't know why the shattered glass thing matters to them; even if that's what struck Trump, it's an assassination attempt/attempted murder.

 The first tweet is from a "journalist." The second is a response from someone who actually knows something about guns.

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how often have AR-15 bullets "pierced" part of someone's body, "ripping through the skin," while leaving the body part intact and without serious injury?
on the other hand it's easy to imagine a shard of shattered glass causing the bleeding Trump suffered
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So "journalist" @JohnJHarwood is clearly a bleep idiot who claims he isn't familiar with ballistics and is "only asking questions."  Well luckily I'm exceedingly familiar with how bullets work, so for the people in the audience who aren't dishonest boot licking shit heads, here goes.

Do bullets pierce bodies and just rip through the skin while leaving the rest of the body intact all the time? In fact, yes, this is where the super common term "grazed" comes from.

I like how he specifies AR-15, because for some totally honest (lol) reason libs like to pretend bullets fired from AR style rifles are somehow deadlier than other rifles, which is just bleep goofy, but whatever.

I'm going to try and keep this super simple, so even the dumbest motherfuckers in the audience (like liberal journalists) can understand.

A bullet is traveling at a high velocity. When that projectile hits something soft (like meat) it starts to poke a hole. Since this projectile is going fast, it has a lot of energy. That energy can keep driving the bullet straight through, or it is likely since the bullet went from air to something solid real sudden like, it may destabilize and tumble, or it may fragment into pieces, or a combo of both. That will depend on the construction/type of the bullet, how fast it is going, and what it hits while it goes through.

If a bullet is going through something soft and stretchy like muscles and organs it will behave different than if it hits something hard like bone. If bones fragment, those bits can even get sent off in different directions, creating new wound channels. That energy is pushing the bullet somewhere and moving stuff around (which makes the blood not go where it is supposed to!)

This is the kind of basic physics that causes idiots like @StephenKing to clutch his pearls about super magic death bullets whenever there's a shooting (well, shootings that are convenient for liberal politics, they ignore all the shootings where decent people shoot bad guys)

Now, I'm gonna say this SUPER SLOW FOR THE DUMB KIDS (like CNN employees) TO UNDERSTAND. The human ear isn't very meaty. It's rather thin. Which means that a bullet is going to hit it and zip right through. There's not enough tissue there to divert much of that energy. If a bullet zips through flesh at a very shallow angle, that energy is going to remain pushing the bullet out the other side. It isn't going to make the target explode, holy bleep, you bleep idiots.

If you go to the range (which the majority of these dipshits have never done, because back when I owned a gun store we offered free training to local journalists so they wouldn't be so incredibly bleep ignorant in their reporting, yet zero of them ever took us up on it) and shoot a piece of cardboard which is thicker than a human ear, the cardboard doesn't explode into pieces. The bullet pokes a hole. If you turn that piece of cardboard sideways and shoot it, the bullet will zip through and cut it, but it still won't explode. If you shoot a pot roast dead center it will react more violently. Duh.

You shouldn't even need to shoot guns to grasp this. It's basic physics, which I'm pretty sure isn't a required class to graduate from Journalism School. If a car travelling at high speeds t-bones another car, the reaction is very different than if those same two cars sideswipe each other. And depending on the angle of impact the damage taken by the cars will vary from totaled to just a scratch.

Surely John Hardwood of CNN, WSJ, NYT, and NBC can't be that bleep dumb, right? Like he'd be able to think about an important news topic logically before "just asking questions" pontificating like a bleep dork in front of millions of strangers.

Of course not. Don't be silly! We all know these guys are dishonest dogshit propagandists. I don't know why people still pretend any of these vapid bleep give a shit about truth.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #449 on: July 18, 2024, 04:01:40 pm »
Hanlon's Razor.
The beauty of that is that it allows absolute malice to use incompetence as a mask.

Kinda like every Biden policy, ever.

In aggregate, however, 100% incompetence is too competent (at being incompetent) to be unplanned.
The truly incompetent screw even that up and get things right on occasion.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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