Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out

[Bigun]

Politics should be run by average citizens IMO, NOT elites.

Nothing stops you from running. It's an eye-opening experience which everyone should experience.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The mere idea of 'elites' is un-American.

Well... there is a sort of country club type of GOPer we all know and hate. Mitt romney types.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Nothing stops you from running. It's an eye-opening experience which everyone should experience.

You're right, except that it's not for me. I'd be like that bald dude from PA, but worse. I'd be a laughing stock.

[roamer_1]

Well... there is a sort of country club type of GOPer we all know and hate. Mitt romney types.

Well sure... Doesn't make it right though.

I certainly have little respect for elitism.

[Texas Yellow Rose]

If 37.5% of republicans Skip POTUS, and vote down-ballot Biden will most certainly win!  Then again, if Trump can't keep his mouth shut when he should before election day, Biden will win anyway. He'd be much better off coming up with a plan instead of criticizing Joe.  People want something to vote FOR!! Are you listening Mr. Trump? ... Newt did it the right way!!

[Smokin Joe]

After Nixon/Ford, pundits wondered if a Republican would ever win the WH again. After eight years of Reagan and right after GHWB was elected, there was an article in Newsweek at the time that questioned if a Democrat would ever win the WH again. The Republicans were finished after GWB. In fact, James Carville even wrote a book on how Democrats will rule for 50 years.

The GOP is in a funk right now and after Trump loses in Nov, there’s going to be some soul searching. But the pendulum always swings

Maybe the GOP will do finally something to clean up election fraud in 'critical swing states' (and anywhere else it is going on) if that is the case.

[Bigun]

You're right, except that it's not for me. I'd be like that bald dude from PA, but worse. I'd be a laughing stock.

Excuses are a dime a dozen.

[jafo2010]

If Trump is floating the notion of reducing Social Security or Medicare, then he just does not want to be POTUS.  That is the kiss of death.

Maybe Biden and the Democommies will not need to cheat because Trump will shoot himself in the foot with his big idiot mouth one too many times.

[Cyber Liberty]

If Trump is floating the notion of reducing Social Security or Medicare, then he just does not want to be POTUS.  That is the kiss of death.

Maybe Biden and the Democommies will not need to cheat because Trump will shoot himself in the foot with his big idiot mouth one too many times.

I highly doubt he is considering that, but I am sure somebody will post an article here from The Hill claiming he is.

[AllThatJazzZ]

I highly doubt he is considering that, but I am sure somebody will post an article here from The Hill claiming he is.

@Cyber Liberty

I always wait a few days to see exactly how things like this unfold. Trump isn't stupid. I wonder if he's baiting the media or the Dems. We'll see. I can't see his taking our SS and Medicare benefits away or reducing them. At least not those of us already partaking of those programs. It's possible he might want to restructure them for subsequent generations to keep them solvent, pulling money from another source. I have no idea, but I don't actually believe that Trump would shoot himself in the foot with the geezer generation 8 months from election day.

[jafo2010]

Congress has been floating the idea of a 25 % decrease in Social Security benefits coming around 2030, but as Congress and POTUS spend us blind, they may advance that ROBBING of the general population, who they have little to no respect for.

I say let's take away the golden parachute of Congress first.  No pensions after five years of service as it now stands, with full salary and all the increases Congress votes for itself.  Talk about abuse!

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji - I recognized that thumb immediately!  So good to see you, sir.

@Lando Lincoln

Thanks!

[sneakypete]

Outside of Trump's MAGA universe, he's not very well liked

@Jack Russell

That must be why nobody ever shows up at his rally's,huh? </S>

[sneakypete]

To his credit he always gets a good crowd. I may end up voting for the orange julius as well, as much as I hate to even think about it.

Take care Pete.

@Jack Russell

Sometimes (too often lately),we don't always get what we want. We get what is available,and have to make do with it. Anybody that can't see that voting for the lesser of two evils (IF that is your opinion of your viable options) is the only practical choice you  have.

AND.....,as an  extra added bonus,he can only serve ONE 4 year term. This gives us a 3 year breathing room to sort through and build support for whoever gets the nod to replace him in the next election cyle.

The mere FACT that he won't be running for re-election the instant he is sworn in is a bonus AFAIAC. He will be entirely focused on how he gets written about in the history books from Day One. And given Trump's ego,this is a VERY big thing. He wants nothing less than to go down in history as the President that "saved America",and he only has 4 years to do it.

Your only other option is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

How much sense does THAT make?

[roamer_1]

@Jack Russell

Sometimes (too often lately),we don't always get what we want. We get what is available,and have to make do with it. Anybody that can't see that voting for the lesser of two evils (IF that is your opinion of your viable options) is the only practical choice you  have.

Exactly bass ackwards.
It's what you're voting *for*.
It's big government on the right.
If liberalism is on both the right and the left, then the battle has already been lost.
And you WILL get more of what you vote *for*

[sneakypete]

Exactly bass ackwards.
 

@roamer_1

Yes,you  are.

Doing nothing accomplishes nothing,but you are one of those people who would rather do nothing and allow things to get worse,than to do ANYTHING positive that doesn't get you everything you want all at once.

But we have been having this argument for months now,so I am done wasting my  time trying to convince someone that wants all or nothing RIGHT DAMN NOW.

[LMAO]

@Jack Russell

That must be why nobody ever shows up at his rally's,huh? </S>

Most voters do no attend political rallies. And nobody can say for certainty that everyone who shows up at a political rally is a supporter of that candidate. Some may just show up out of curiosity. Some show up just to be disruptive

And Trump is somewhat of a celebrity even before he ran for president so there’s that attraction also

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Yes,you  are.

Doing nothing accomplishes nothing,but you are one of those people who would rather do nothing and allow things to get worse,than to do ANYTHING positive that doesn't get you everything you want all at once.

But we have been having this argument for months now,so I am done wasting my  time trying to convince someone that wants all or nothing RIGHT DAMN NOW.

@sneakypete

Who wants everything right damn now?

I just want *NOT* historic spending and *NOT* funding liberals, and reasonable adherence to Conservative principles - Doing no harm.

That is *NOT* Tumpy.
Tumpy IS worse. The SAME worse as Bitem.
You're doing nothing.
You're voting for liberalism from the right.

I just won't help you.
I will do plenty. I have already. I have money in the game at the state level.
I will be voting - I just won't vote the top of the ticket.
Because at the top of the ticket, either choice is antithetical to Conservatism
Antithetical to my beliefs.

That's not 'doing nothing'.
That's voting my conscience.
Y'all are going the wrong damn way.
I will not go with you.

[catfish1957]

If we get a sample size of a 100, I'll repeat this poll every other month for trending purposes.  Until the election.

Still, at a Conservative Forum, and 85 votes in, 84% are not happy or enthused by the Trump candidacy. 

There were several primaries tonight, and I find it astounding that even a week after sewing it up Super Tuesday, that generally 15-25% of all GOP voters were still passionate enough and went to the trouble not to vote for DJT today.  I still think there is still an undercurrent of anger at him, and this does not appear to be a good sign for success  come November.

Here is how "other" fared against Trump tonight.

Arizona- 23.7%
Florida- 18.8%
Illinois- 19.7%
Kansas- 24.7%
Ohio20- 20.8%-

[AllThatJazzZ]

Exactly bass ackwards.
It's what you're voting *for*.
It's big government on the right.
If liberalism is on both the right and the left, then the battle has already been lost.
And you WILL get more of what you vote *for*

@roamer_1

You really need to give this line of thinking a rest. It's judgmental on your part, especially in that you've heard the druthers from most of us. I'm going to try one last time to draw a parallel and hope that it registers.

I'm hungry. My stomach is growling, I'm feeling weak, and I need some sustenance. Fortunately, a food truck comes by. Unfortunately, it has only 2 options: A bowl of peas, and a bowl of beets. Hmmmm.... A hunger headache is setting in, and I've got to make a choice. Which one will it be? Well, duh! The one least objectionable, of course. It wasn't my first choice, but it was available.

Please, I'm begging you. Stop ragging on those who are casting their vote from a pragmatic position. We're not your enemy. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

If we get a sample size of a 100, I'll repeat this poll every other month for trending purposes.  Until the election.

Still, at a Conservative Forum, and 85 votes in, 84% are not happy or enthused by the Trump candidacy. 

There were several primaries tonight, and I find it astounding that even a week after sewing it up Super Tuesday, that generally 15-25% of all GOP voters were still passionate enough and went to the trouble not to vote for DJT today.  I still think there is still an undercurrent of anger at him, and this does not appear to be a good sign for success  come November.

Here is how "other" fared against Trump tonight.

Arizona- 23.7%
Florida- 18.8%
Illinois- 19.7%
Kansas- 24.7%
Ohio20- 20.8%-

If Trump does win in 2024, it will be because Biden is such an awful candidate. Had the Dems picked someone... anyone else, we'd be toast.

[sneakypete]

If Trump does win in 2024, it will be because Biden is such an awful candidate. Had the Dems picked someone... anyone else, we'd be toast.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Good to see you admitting that Trump is our! only hope of saving America

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You really need to give this line of thinking a rest. It's judgmental on your part, especially in that you've heard the druthers from most of us. I'm going to try one last time to draw a parallel and hope that it registers.

No, @AllThatJazzZ , it's not judgemental in the least, beyond the bare fact that y'all are going the wrong way.

I'm hungry. My stomach is growling, I'm feeling weak, and I need some sustenance. Fortunately, a food truck comes by. Unfortunately, it has only 2 options: A bowl of peas, and a bowl of beets. Hmmmm.... A hunger headache is setting in, and I've got to make a choice. Which one will it be? Well, duh! The one least objectionable, of course. It wasn't my first choice, but it was available.

Meh. The sh*t sandwich vs. turd burger scenario. A fallacy proven over and over again.
And that kind of thinking is exactly what re-elects the single-most historic offender against Conservatism back to office. Halied as a 'conservative' no less. Maybe with a mandate. It would be hilarious if it were not so dire. And so damn stupid.

That thinking is why single-payer health care is still around and Republicans spend just as much as democrats. That is why there is still no damn fence on the southern border.
In your zeal to block your opposition, you will do ANYTHING to your own. You (Y'all) will throw anything and anyone right under the bus. And them azzoles know it. Anything goes.

To win against the Democrats, you sacrifice your own. What victory when you destroy the very things you're standing for? For years? For DECADES?

Please, I'm begging you. Stop ragging on those who are casting their vote from a pragmatic position. We're not your enemy.

It is not pragmatic in the least. It is capitulation over and over, and over again.
There's your hunger scenario...

You're very hungry, And a whole table is set before you, and you are promised you can have all you can eat.... And all you have to do is eat a little bite of your own. Just one little bite - You can choose which one you'll take it out of, and any cut will do.

And lets talk about ragging, hmmm? Here I am on one of the premiere Conservative sites. DEFENDING CONSERVATISM, and what I've got for it is nothing but 'ragging' FOR YEARS.

Every sort of vile epitaph. Every kind of motive assigned. You don't know ragging. Why do you think so few philosophical Conservatives remain here? Why do you think all the heavy hitters are gone?

We are supposed to be standing together around a set of principles. That's what we are supposed to be fighting for. Can you even name them? Can you tell me how many of them are sacrificed electing the moron king?

I often end with this tag:

Liberalism is not winning on its merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.

That opposition is supposed to be us. The Right.
But liberalism is being ushered into the right, and y'all are voting FOR it.

And you want me to 'lighten up' and let you?
Hell no. I will be right here, yelling my ass off.
I am going to point right at it and spell it the hell out.
You are still gonna decide. It's your decision.
But you won't be able to say you didn't know better.

[libertybele]

@AllThatJazzZ @roamer_1  (I've read comments and here's my two cents)

@AllThatJazzZ I haven't been aware of your posts till recently. @roamer_1 there is no doubt that you are a conservative, we go back awhile ... things sure as heck aren't getting any better and as you know TEA is not dead; perhaps minimized, but not dead. That's been an encouraging spot on the horizon, though dwindling.

We have an Obama stool pigeon in the WH and a past president that pushed us further into debt, let Fauci run things, and failed on many policies.  So .... as I continue to lean towards just voting down ballot, I see that the leftists still are doing everything to stop Trump which is a definite sign that they don't want him in, which to me is a sign that they know he could and he will undo as much of their agenda as possible.

The idiot in chief in the WH just signed an EO on EV vehicles and reduction in oil and perhaps the most frightening is he will attend a summit with the intent of the continuation of Obama's Millennium Global Poverty Act with the U.N.; basically allowing the UN emergency powers over the U.S.  So, I don't truly know if we'll even make it to November as IIRC the summit meets in September.

Absolutely nothing but destroying our Republic if we get another 4 years of DEMS. Trump had us energy independent, created jobs and had more people working and off food stamps than any other president in history.  He is now vowing to reverse Biden's EV mandate.  So perhaps weighing out the negatives now of Biden vs. negatives and positives of Trump in the past???

There is no doubt in my mind that we need a true conservative in the WH in order to truly swing the pendulum the other way. Allowing the DEMS  to remain in the WH we won't have to worry about seating another conservative because with all the illegals, stealing elections, etc., a conservative won't have a chance. and our Republic will fall.  I have no doubt -- it's hanging by a thin thread now. Yes, I am livid that Trumpy smeared DeSantis.  That was uncalled for and leaves great question in my mind.

Do we stop this country from bleeding a bit in the hopes of having time to overhaul the system or stand ground and just vote down ballot?  As stated before, another 4 years of Joe & Co., and I am confident that it will be mathematically impossible (other than a full fledged war and a new government inserted) to seat another GOP.

What to do???  @AllThatJazzZ I don't see the judgemental aspect but rather sticking to core beliefs and principles which at the end of the day, I think we all agree on.

[roamer_1]

@AllThatJazzZ @roamer_1  (I've read comments and here's my two cents)

@AllThatJazzZ I haven't been aware of your posts till recently. @roamer_1 there is no doubt that you are a conservative, we go back awhile ... things sure as heck aren't getting any better and as you know TEA is not dead; perhaps minimized, but not dead. That's been an encouraging spot on the horizon, though dwindling.

We have an Obama stool pigeon in the WH and a past president that pushed us further into debt, let Fauci run things, and failed on many policies.  So .... as I continue to lean towards just voting down ballot, I see that the leftists still are doing everything to stop Trump which is a definite sign that they don't want him in, which to me is a sign that they know he could and he will undo as much of their agenda as possible.

The idiot in chief in the WH just signed an EO on EV vehicles and reduction in oil and perhaps the most frightening is he will attend a summit with the intent of the continuation of Obama's Millennium Global Poverty Act with the U.N.; basically allowing the UN emergency powers over the U.S.  So, I don't truly know if we'll even make it to November as IIRC the summit meets in September.

Absolutely nothing but destroying our Republic if we get another 4 years of DEMS. Trump had us energy independent, created jobs and had more people working and off food stamps than any other president in history.  He is now vowing to reverse Biden's EV mandate.  So perhaps weighing out the negatives now of Biden vs. negatives and positives of Trump in the past???

There is no doubt in my mind that we need a true conservative in the WH in order to truly swing the pendulum the other way. Allowing the DEMS  to remain in the WH we won't have to worry about seating another conservative because with all the illegals, stealing elections, etc., a conservative won't have a chance. and our Republic will fall.  I have no doubt -- it's hanging by a thin thread now. Yes, I am livid that Trumpy smeared DeSantis.  That was uncalled for and leaves great question in my mind.

Do we stop this country from bleeding a bit in the hopes of having time to overhaul the system or stand ground and just vote down ballot?  As stated before, another 4 years of Joe & Co., and I am confident that it will be mathematically impossible (other than a full fledged war and a new government inserted) to seat another GOP.

What to do???  @AllThatJazzZ I don't see the judgemental aspect but rather sticking to core beliefs and principles which at the end of the day, I think we all agree on.

In the end, none of it - NONE of it matters.
Y'all have no control over what they are gonna do, either way, no matter who wins.

THAT's the problem.

Y'all keep voting them azzoles back in! Fear of Democrats means *NO* consequences for Republicans.It don;t matter what they do or don't do... Y'all will vote em right back in there for fear of losing seats. So PAAAAAAARTAYYY!!! WOOO!!!

They've got your number. Your power is lost. Because you'll (y'all) sell your soul for a pittance... For a bowl of gruel.

The obvious answer is that they have to have consequences.
You have to rub their noses in it.

That is what desperately needs to happen.

And that is supposed to happen at the voting booth.

But the idiot king is all you got... and those who will kiss his ring.
No consequence in that at all.

So here we go again.


This time around remember that you don't get to control the Democrats. So more or less, it don't matter what they do, because you have no part in it.

BUT YOU DO have part in their supposed opposition. You CAN control the Right.
So what happens on the Right is all that really matters.

So what is happening on the right?
How do you control that and make consequences for actions that stick?

[Bigun]

WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

 I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

 I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

 I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.

 I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.

 I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.

I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.

I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.

I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.

I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.

I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.

[bigheadfred]

Great post @Bigun  and I heartily agree! 

[roamer_1]

WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

 I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

 I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

 I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.

 I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.

 I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.

I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.

I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.

I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.

I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.

I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.

Much of that was severely damaged during Tumpy's first term. Bitem ain't helping any, that's a fact. But Tumpy did major damage.

[Bigun]

Much of that was severely damaged during Tumpy's first term. Bitem ain't helping any, that's a fact. But Tumpy did major damage.

One of the IS going to be president as of Jan. 20, 2025 and I will take Trump over Biden any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[libertybele]

WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

 I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

 I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

 I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.

 I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.

 I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.

I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.

I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.

I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.

I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.

I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.

Yes, what you've laid out is what I think we all want in here.  IF the DEMS retain their control of either the Senate or the House there is no guarantee that Trump will be able to turn this country around or what he has further promised.

His failed policies were in part because of the stranglehold that the DEMS had on the GOP in Congress; they were effective in tying his hands. The border wall was just one instance.  The DEM stranglehold and evil underhandedness is a huge problem.  As @roamer_1 pointed out, we cannot control what the DEMS do at the ballot box.  IMHO we can only hope to control what the lackluster do-nothing GOP does.  With that being said though we only have a very slight majority in the House and can only hope to hold on to it and perhaps gain a few Senate seats.  Voting for RINOs makes no difference to those majorities.

So again, what to do?  I refused to vote for McCain as I saw him as a RINO and I didn't vote for him, which resulted in 8 years of Obama, although there is now very strong evidence that Google manipulated over 40 elections.

Back to my philosophy and reiterating what Cruz said "vote your conscience". I don't believe anyone in here should 'shame' anyone for how they vote. Opinions yes, but judging someone, no.

[LMAO]

I don't believe anyone in here should 'shame' anyone for how they vote. Opinions yes, but judging someone, no.

 

[libertybele]

One of the IS going to be president as of Jan. 20, 2025 and I will take Trump over Biden any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I'm still not certain that Trump or Biden will be the nominees.  With Trump's felonies and him unable to raise bail money -- who knows what is going to happen.  I don't believe the leftists are done trying to prevent him from running.  I still think it is a possibility that they will have Biden step down and run someone else that they decide on at their convention. 

There still is some wiggle room that things could unfold very differently other than Trump v. Biden. Yes, they are the nominees right now.

[Smokin Joe]

@roamer_1

You really need to give this line of thinking a rest. It's judgmental on your part, especially in that you've heard the druthers from most of us. I'm going to try one last time to draw a parallel and hope that it registers.

I'm hungry. My stomach is growling, I'm feeling weak, and I need some sustenance. Fortunately, a food truck comes by. Unfortunately, it has only 2 options: A bowl of peas, and a bowl of beets. Hmmmm.... A hunger headache is setting in, and I've got to make a choice. Which one will it be? Well, duh! The one least objectionable, of course. It wasn't my first choice, but it was available.

Please, I'm begging you. Stop ragging on those who are casting their vote from a pragmatic position. We're not your enemy.

Is this like telling someone to shut up and eat their peas?
Are those pickled beets?
Seems like I heard that somewhere before...

[sneakypete]

I'm still not certain that Trump or Biden will be the nominees.  With Trump's felonies and him unable to raise bail money -- who knows what is going to happen. I don't believe the leftists are done trying to prevent him from running.  I still think it is a possibility that they will have Biden step down and run someone else that they decide on at their convention. 

There still is some wiggle room that things could unfold very differently other than Trump v. Biden. Yes, they are the nominees right now.

@libertybele

I am NOT a betting man,but I would almost be willing to bet the farm on that one.

[mystery-ak]

I don't believe anyone in here should 'shame' anyone for how they vote. Opinions yes, but judging someone, no.

I hope we don't see any of that here..

[mystery-ak]

WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

 I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

 I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

 I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.

 I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.

 I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.

I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.

I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.

I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.

I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.

I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.

Excellent post...

[Sighlass]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.

Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.

I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?

[LMAO]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.

Answer: None of the above....

I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?

My reasoning for none of the above for president is more economics and fiscal along with both Biden's and Trump's conduct during COVID vs culture wars but your are right in your reasoning.

I've said before that in the past, I was pretty libertarian on the social issues. But that has hardened in recent years as I see how society's tolerance has been rewarded. The idea of sexualizing children and the damage caused by pumping them full of hormones with the blessing of government. Crime not only tolerated and excused but almost to the point of being cheered especially when committed by a certain ethnic group and the vilification of cops. Abortion being promoted right up to birth. Intolerance  of other beliefs on college campus that used to be a bastion of free speech  and the exchange of opposing  viewpoints. Intact, loving, mom and dad families and virtue are vilified while debauchery is embraced.

I don't know if we are being judged by a higher power or not. But it sure feels like it

[roamer_1]

One of the IS going to be president as of Jan. 20, 2025 and I will take Trump over Biden any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I will not reward historic damage to libertarian and fiscal Conservatism with a second term. End_of_story. I don't care the cost. Because the cost is more if the Right will not fight for Conservatism. Liberalism on the right means the fight is already lost.

[libertybele]

My reasoning for none of the above for president is more economics and fiscal along with both Biden's and Trump's conduct during COVID vs culture wars but your are right in your reasoning.

I've said before that in the past, I was pretty libertarian on the social issues. But that has hardened in recent years as I see how society's tolerance has been rewarded. The idea of sexualizing children and the damage caused by pumping them full of hormones with the blessing of government. Crime not only tolerated and excused but almost to the point of being cheered especially when committed by a certain ethnic group and the vilification of cops. Abortion being promoted right up to birth. Intolerance  of other beliefs on college campus that used to be a bastion of free speech  and the exchange of opposing  viewpoints. Intact, loving, mom and dad families and virtue are vilified while debauchery is embraced.

I don't know if we are being judged by a higher power or not. But it sure feels like it

Liberalism hasn't worked in the past, isn't working now and won't work in the future.  Why it is so difficult for people to grasp and the GOP to convey I'm not quite sure.

Certainly we are being tested, with more trials and tribulations ahead of us...this is only the beginning.

Only HIS mercy is going to save this country and keep it from complete destruction.

[roamer_1]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.

Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.

I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?

That's right too. Hear hear!

[libertybele]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.

Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.

I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?

Ah .... another Duncan Hunter voter.  I voted for him as well and thinking about it, probably that last person that I voted for without hesitation.

[roamer_1]

Ah .... another Duncan Hunter voter.  I voted for him as well and thinking about it, probably that last person that I voted for without hesitation.

Me too. What was done to him is what sent me away from Republicans. Over that, all my support for right wing organizations became a matter of scrutiny, and hard lines.

Never ever again.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values).  One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.

What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ? 

I ask the same question of @roamer_1

[Hoodat]

WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

 I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.

 I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  .  .  .

Well done, @Bigun

Your argument here blows away any and every thing the Trump zealots have posted for the last nine years.

[LMAO]

Liberalism hasn't worked in the past, isn't working now and won't work in the future.  Why it is so difficult for people to grasp and the GOP to convey I'm not quite sure.

Certainly we are being tested, with more trials and tribulations ahead of us...this is only the beginning.

Only HIS mercy is going to save this country and keep it from complete destruction.

Many parts of the culture wars can't be fixed at the ballot box. Society needs to decide how much it's willing to tolerate

The only thing politicians can and should do is enforce laws and deal with the economic and fiscal issues

[roamer_1]

What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ? 

I ask the same question of @roamer_1

Well... Lookey what the cat dragged in... 

Injecting liberalism into the right is the aim of you and yours.
A Right that no longer clamors for small government and balanced budgets is the fading hope and difficult fight.

And without that fight won first on the right
The fight is already lost.

I told you long ago what I would fight for.
That has not changed.

[roamer_1]

Many parts of the culture wars can't be fixed at the ballot box. Society needs to decide how much it's willing to tolerate

The only thing politicians can and should do is enforce laws and deal with the economic and fiscal issues

That would be true, except in that the government is purposefully aligned in law in order to suppress the culture the people desire.

[sneakypete]

I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.

Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.

Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.

I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?

@Sighlass

Keeping the DNC out of the WH,and hopefully,taking away their power by electing conservative representatives instead of just bending over and allowing the left to continue destroying America.

[sneakypete]

What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ? 

I ask the same question of @roamer_1

@Right_in_Virginia

Well,they get to do their little "superiority dances" in front of their tv's on election night,happy because all that matters in the world is them being "pure" and everybody else being wrong.

Or so they think.