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« Reply #500 on: October 23, 2023, 03:33:02 pm »
Yep. There is no other reason for China's ships to be there, except to exert hegemony.

'Accidentally' hit one of our carrier groups, and the S will HTF: WWIII. Escalation could happen in a matter of minutes, not days. We're off balance and poorly led for such a situation, and Biden is no FDR to hang another term of getting us into conflict. Our manufacturing is behind even the ghost of itself of the mid 30s, and there has been no ramp up like with Lend Lease. Too many eggs are in technological baskets the bugs have not been shaken out of, including the Ford.

Add in that it seems everyone seems to have forgotten the horror of nuclear war, and the Muslims really don't care (shaheed and all that), and this is worse by far than the Cuban Missile Crisis, and led by an administration perfused with anti-American people who have other loyalties.

They have no hegemony to exert in the Mediterranean.  They're trying to assert relevance on the world stage, not hegemony.

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« Reply #503 on: October 23, 2023, 04:02:30 pm »
drip drip drip....Hamas will keep doing this to keep Israel/US from starting the ground war..

The US has pulled back from a ground war ---- this and Israel's expanding efforts to convince the world this is attack is worse than the Holocaust have shifted Israel's focus and position.

16 days ago Israel owned the narrative of self-defense and war.  Now the narrative is muddled by Israeli and international actions, apparently taking momentum with it.




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« Reply #504 on: October 23, 2023, 04:03:50 pm »

Amiram Cooper (left), 85, and his wife, Nurit (Yitzhak) Cooper, 80, with Gali, their granddaughter in an undated Facebook photo. Nurit was released by Hamas on Monday, but it is believed that Amiram is still being held hostage.



Oded (left) and Yocheved Lifshitz, from Kibbutz Nahal Oz, in an undated photo. The couple reportedly spent years driving Palestinians from Gaza into Israel to receive life-saving medical treatment. Yocheved was released by Hamas into Egypt on Monday, while her husband is still reportedly being held in Gaza.
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« Reply #505 on: October 23, 2023, 04:05:48 pm »
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16 days ago Israel owned the narrative of self defense and war.  Now the narrative is muddled by Israeli and international actions, apparently taking momentum with it.

Bibi will be history in Israel if that happens....he should have NEVER listened to Biden...FJB
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« Reply #507 on: October 23, 2023, 04:18:52 pm »
Bibi will be history in Israel if that happens....he should have NEVER listened to Biden...FJB

It seems Bibi's taking the political hit --- based on many and long conversations with our friends in Israel.  They are confused, to put it mildly --- they don't understand how this attack could unfold as it did or the hesitation now--- and are becoming concerned that they have become a paper tiger. 

They're not (yet) pointing a finger at Biden.

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« Reply #508 on: October 23, 2023, 04:24:13 pm »
drip drip drip....Hamas will keep doing this to keep Israel/US from starting the ground war..



Exactly. Israel and Netanyahu's hands are tied. I'm furious as I'm sure they are. 9999hair out0000

This will result in an "unofficial" win for Hamas. And further assaults by them.

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« Reply #509 on: October 23, 2023, 04:43:23 pm »
They have no hegemony to exert in the Mediterranean.  They're trying to assert relevance on the world stage, not hegemony.
True enough, their deals are in the Persian Gulf, but it's just around the corner. Chinese imports of Iranian oil are at an all time high.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 5...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #515 on: October 23, 2023, 06:22:19 pm »
berdie wrote:
"Israel and Netanyahu's hands are tied. I'm furious as I'm sure they are.
This will result in an "unofficial" win for Hamas. And further assaults by them"


Indeed.
By not invading promptly, Israel may have already "lost".
They may eventually inflict sufficient damage upon hamas.
But it will not be "a win" for Israel, and what they gain will come at great cost.

A Fishrrman "hope it won't happen" prediction:
Israel is not going to invade Gaza. Even after amassing sufficient forces on the border.

I'd like to be proven wrong on this.
But...
... by delaying the invasion (almost certainly due to demands by the biden administration), the Israelis have lost something very important to them:
Their "moral right" to conduct a defensive military operation.

I'll explain.
Had Israel gone into Gaza with their army within, say, 48-72 hours of the 10/7 attack, they would have been seen as executing "defensive" maneuvers in the wake of those attacks.

But by "holding back" -- as they've done -- they've now lost their moral claim that the attack they'll mount is "defensive". Rather, it will be "offensive", and painted that way by the world media that dislikes (or outright hates) the Jews. They will transmogrify from the victims into the aggressors.

But there's another reason as well.
I've posted it before in recent threads, but no one responds to such posts:
It's... "Jewish guilt".

Since the suffering they had to endure in the hands of the Germans, the Jews of Israel have had (for lack of a better term) "a halo of moral superiority". And they've acted accordingly.

This is evidenced by their historical reluctance, even in war zones, to attack where civilian deaths might be involved.

If they were to eschew such behavior, and attack en masse in Gaza in circumstances where civilians (aside: how many pali males can be considered "civilians" when they've been taught from youth to hate the Jews and handle weapons?) will be either targeted or close enough to the targets to become collateral damage, they would LOSE that "moral superiority" that they have embraced (even touted) through the years.

They're afraid to do that.
They're held back.
By... Jewish guilt:
To refrain from inflicting upon others the same wrath that was exercised upon themselves.

That -- along with [either] requests or outright threats by the biden administration, along with "the guilt", will keep them from doing what needs to be done in Gaza.

Again, I'll be happy to be proven wrong on this prediction.
And you can hold me to it.

But I call 'em as I see 'em.
And that's how I'm calling this one.

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« Reply #516 on: October 23, 2023, 06:34:48 pm »
Bullshit!

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« Reply #517 on: October 23, 2023, 06:40:34 pm »

8:09 AM · Oct 23, 2023

Blinken says US is 'ready' to get involved in Israel-Hamas war if line is crossed: 'We won't hesitate'.  https://trib.al/oY2I7Si
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That was a typo. It SHOULD have read that Blinken  is ready  to DO a line.
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« Reply #518 on: October 23, 2023, 06:44:34 pm »

Yocheved Lifshitz and Nurit Cooper (also known as Nurit Yitzhak) who were held hostages by Palestinian Hamas terrorists, are seen being released.


The women, said to be in their 80s, were kidnapped from the Kibbutz Nir Oz, with their husbands still in captivity under Hamas.

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« Reply #519 on: October 23, 2023, 06:48:37 pm »
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But by "holding back" -- as they've done -- they've now lost their moral claim that the attack they'll mount is "defensive". Rather, it will be "offensive", and painted that way by the world media that dislikes (or outright hates) the Jews. They will transmogrify from the victims into the aggressors.

Totally agree...that is one reason why Israel released audio/tapes of the Hamas Oct7th attacks today...to refresh peoples outrage..not sure that worked...

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« Reply #520 on: October 23, 2023, 06:53:39 pm »
Biden is 'pushing Israel to DELAY the ground invasion into Gaza to give more time for talks for Hamas hostages to be released'

    Biden trying to buy time to release more than 200 hostages held by Hamas
    Administration encouraged by release of two Americans on Friday
    Israel believed to be preparing for imminent ground invasion to destroy Hamas

By Emily Goodin, Senior U.S. Political Reporter

Published: 09:22 EDT, 23 October 2023 | Updated: 14:32 EDT, 23 October 2023

President Joe Biden is pressuring Israel to delay its ground invasion into Gaza in order to buy time to secure the release of more hostages.

Additionally, the Biden administration wants to buy time for more humanitarian aid to reach Palestinians and to prepare for possible attacks on U.S. interests in the region from Iran-backed groups, U.S. officials told The New York Times.

Israeli warplanes have been hitting targets across Gaza ahead of an expected ground invasion into the Hamas-led territory. Israeli officials want to eliminate Hamas - a goal the U.S. supports. Officials, however, worry such an invasion could lead to retaliation from Iran against American interests in the region.

White House spokesman John Kirby did not say the administration was pushing Israel to hold off its ground game but emphasized that America's focus is on the return of the hostages.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12662085/Biden-Israel-DELAY-ground-invasion-Gaza-Hamas-hostages-released.html
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« Reply #521 on: October 23, 2023, 06:58:01 pm »
berdie wrote:
"Israel and Netanyahu's hands are tied. I'm furious as I'm sure they are.
This will result in an "unofficial" win for Hamas. And further assaults by them"


Indeed.
By not invading promptly, Israel may have already "lost".
They may eventually inflict sufficient damage upon hamas.
But it will not be "a win" for Israel, and what they gain will come at great cost.

A Fishrrman "hope it won't happen" prediction:
Israel is not going to invade Gaza. Even after amassing sufficient forces on the border.

I'd like to be proven wrong on this.
But...
... by delaying the invasion (almost certainly due to demands by the biden administration), the Israelis have lost something very important to them:
Their "moral right" to conduct a defensive military operation.

I'll explain.
Had Israel gone into Gaza with their army within, say, 48-72 hours of the 10/7 attack, they would have been seen as executing "defensive" maneuvers in the wake of those attacks.

But by "holding back" -- as they've done -- they've now lost their moral claim that the attack they'll mount is "defensive". Rather, it will be "offensive", and painted that way by the world media that dislikes (or outright hates) the Jews. They will transmogrify from the victims into the aggressors.

But there's another reason as well.
I've posted it before in recent threads, but no one responds to such posts:
It's... "Jewish guilt".

Since the suffering they had to endure in the hands of the Germans, the Jews of Israel have had (for lack of a better term) "a halo of moral superiority". And they've acted accordingly.

This is evidenced by their historical reluctance, even in war zones, to attack where civilian deaths might be involved.

If they were to eschew such behavior, and attack en masse in Gaza in circumstances where civilians (aside: how many pali males can be considered "civilians" when they've been taught from youth to hate the Jews and handle weapons?) will be either targeted or close enough to the targets to become collateral damage, they would LOSE that "moral superiority" that they have embraced (even touted) through the years.

They're afraid to do that.
They're held back.
By... Jewish guilt:
To refrain from inflicting upon others the same wrath that was exercised upon themselves.

That -- along with [either] requests or outright threats by the biden administration, along with "the guilt", will keep them from doing what needs to be done in Gaza.

Again, I'll be happy to be proven wrong on this prediction.
And you can hold me to it.

But I call 'em as I see 'em.
And that's how I'm calling this one.



I agree with most of your post @Fishrrman .

I can only disagree with Jewish guilt and halo of morality superiority. Although, I must say I identify with the Israeli moral superiority.

What I see is politics entering into this and destroying momentum. When you are locked into a land you need to defend, surrounded by antagonistic neighbors and risk the alienation of all allies what else can you do?

I agree, they should have gone in immediately. But perhaps the means to do so weren't there without huge casualties on the Israeli side. And I look back at other wars...the response wasn't that instantaneous either.

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« Reply #523 on: October 23, 2023, 07:09:38 pm »
Totally agree...that is one reason why Israel released audio/tapes of the Hamas Oct7th attacks today...to refresh peoples outrage..not sure that worked...

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I disagree that Israel is losing their window to respond. Yes, the tapes keep the atrocities fresh in the minds of a public bombarded by sympathy for terrorists in the media. That is good to help focus on the task at hand and the reason for it.

It took from August of 1990 to January of 1991 for the buildup in preparation to liberate Kuwait. While we would like to think Israel is immediately ready to conduct defensive operations, offense takes more planning and preparation, because attackers, especially when the attack is anticipated, are at a disadvantage.

No invasion of enemy held territory is conducted without a buildup of munitions and readying of troops, gathering of intelligence, and planning. (Think Anzio, Operation Torch, D-Day, the Tet Offensive, even the Blitzkreig across Europe. All have the same thing in common.)

The Israelis will be entering territory controlled by their enemy. Anything that can be done to lessen the defensive response needs to be done before that invasion. The hot-blooded quest for revenge is folly, the atrocities stand, and the response needs to be effective, not to sate the sanguineous passions of the civilized world, but to eliminate the threat.
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U.S. officials predict 'significant escalation' against American troops amid Israel-Hamas war

Senior Pentagon officials predicted "significant escalation" of attacks against American troops in the Middle East during the Israel-Hamas war.

A senior defense official and a senior military official held a background briefing on Monday. Both officials referenced Iran as a malignant force.

"We see a prospect for much more significant escalation against U.S. forces and personnel in the near term," the defense official explained. "And let’s be clear about it: the road leads back to Iran."

The defense official also said that the Iranian government is currently equipping, funding and directing various Middle Eastern partners, including Lebanese Hezbollah militia groups.

"I think it’s fair to say when you see this uptick in activity in attacks by many of these groups, there’s Iranian fingerprints all over it," the defense official said.

Fox News Digital's Greg Wehner contributed to this report.
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U.S. officials predict 'significant escalation' against American troops amid Israel-Hamas war

Senior Pentagon officials predicted "significant escalation" of attacks against American troops in the Middle East during the Israel-Hamas war.

A senior defense official and a senior military official held a background briefing on Monday. Both officials referenced Iran as a malignant force.

"We see a prospect for much more significant escalation against U.S. forces and personnel in the near term," the defense official explained. "And let’s be clear about it: the road leads back to Iran."

The defense official also said that the Iranian government is currently equipping, funding and directing various Middle Eastern partners, including Lebanese Hezbollah militia groups.

"I think it’s fair to say when you see this uptick in activity in attacks by many of these groups, there’s Iranian fingerprints all over it," the defense official said.

Fox News Digital's Greg Wehner contributed to this report.
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Iran is the reason for China's presence. That's one of the major sources of oil imported by the Chinese. They will view Iran's health as a national interest. Just leave the oilfields out of it, and the Chinese have less excuse to attack anyone.

I see the possibility that Iran attacks Israel more directly, Israel strikes back, China strikes Israel, and the US gets sucked in to defend against the Chinese attack, inviting a direct Chinese response, not necessarily limited to the Middle East.

That's one way WWIII could very easily get rolling.
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« Reply #526 on: October 23, 2023, 07:16:49 pm »
I disagree that Israel is losing their window to respond. Yes, the tapes keep the atrocities fresh in the minds of a public bombarded by sympathy for terrorists in the media. That is good to help focus on the task at and and the reason for it.

It took from August of 1990 to January of 1991 for the buildup in preparation to liberate Kuwait. While we would like to think Israel is immediately ready to conduct defensive operations, offense takes more planning and preparation, because attackers, especially when the attack is anticipated, are at a disadvantage.

No invasion of enemy held territory is conducted without a buildup of munitions and readying of troops, gathering of intelligence, and planning. (Think Anzio, Operation Torch, D-Day, the Tet Offensive, even the Blitzkreig across Europe. All have the same thing in common.)

The Israelis will be entering territory controlled by their enemy. Anything that can be done to lessen the defensive response needs to be done before that invasion. The hot-blooded quest for revenge is folly, the atrocities stand, and the response needs to be effective, not to sate the sanguineous passions of the civilized world, but to eliminate the threat.

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« Reply #527 on: October 23, 2023, 07:26:17 pm »
I disagree that Israel is losing their window to respond. Yes, the tapes keep the atrocities fresh in the minds of a public bombarded by sympathy for terrorists in the media. That is good to help focus on the task at and and the reason for it.

It took from August of 1990 to January of 1991 for the buildup in preparation to liberate Kuwait. While we would like to think Israel is immediately ready to conduct defensive operations, offense takes more planning and preparation, because attackers, especially when the attack is anticipated, are at a disadvantage.

No invasion of enemy held territory is conducted without a buildup of munitions and readying of troops, gathering of intelligence, and planning. (Think Anzio, Operation Torch, D-Day, the Tet Offensive, even the Blitzkreig across Europe. All have the same thing in common.)

The Israelis will be entering territory controlled by their enemy. Anything that can be done to lessen the defensive response needs to be done before that invasion. The hot-blooded quest for revenge is folly, the atrocities stand, and the response needs to be effective, not to sate the sanguineous passions of the civilized world, but to eliminate the threat.

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« Reply #528 on: October 23, 2023, 07:33:18 pm »
Why Israeli Officials Screened Footage of the Hamas Attack

“I killed 10 Jews with my own hands.”
By Graeme Wood
October 23, 2023, 10:29 AM ET

This afternoon, at a military base north of Tel Aviv, the Israel Defense Forces held a grisly matinee screening of 43 minutes of raw footage from Hamas’s October 7 attack. Members of the press were invited, but cameras were not allowed. Hamas had the opposite policy on cameras during the attack, which it documented gleefully with its fighters’ body cams and mobile phones. Some of the clips had been circulating already on social media in truncated or expurgated form, with the footage decorously stopped just before beheadings and moments of death. After having seen them both in raw and trimmed forms, I can endorse the decision to trim those clips. I certainly hope I never see any of the extra footage again.

It was, as IDF Major General Mickey Edelstein told the press afterward, “a very sad movie.” Men, women, and children are shot, blown up, hunted, tortured, burned, and generally murdered in any horrible manner you could predict, and some that you might not. The terrorists surround a Thai man they have shot in the gut, then bicker about what to do next. (About 30,000 Thais live in Israel, many of them farmworkers.) “Give me a knife!” one Hamas terrorist shouts. Instead he finds a garden hoe, and he swings at the man’s throat, taking thwack after thwack.

The audience gasped. I heard someone heave a little at another scene, this one showing a father and his young sons, surprised in their pajamas. A terrorist throws a grenade into their hiding place, and the father is killed. The boys are covered in blood, and one appears to have lost an eye. They go to their kitchen and cry for their mother. One of the boys howls, “Why am I alive?” and “Daddy, Daddy.” One says, “I think we are going to die.” The terrorist who killed their father comes in, and while they weep, he raids their fridge. “Water, water,” he says. The spokesman was unable to say whether the children survived.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 5...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #529 on: October 23, 2023, 07:34:53 pm »
Iran is the reason for China's presence. That's one of the major sources of oil imported by the Chinese. They will view Iran's health as a national interest. Just leave the oilfields out of it, and the Chinese have less excuse to attack anyone.

I see the possibility that Iran attacks Israel more directly, Israel strikes back, China strikes Israel, and the US gets sucked in to defend against the Chinese attack, inviting a direct Chinese response, not necessarily limited to the Middle East.

That's one way WWIII could very easily get rolling.

That's another scary possibly is that no one is really pulling the strings, it just erupts like a bar brawl
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« Reply #530 on: October 23, 2023, 07:37:03 pm »
That's another scary possibly is that no one is really pulling the strings, it just erupts like a bar brawl
All the elements are there, which is why this needs to be de-escalated and to let the Israelis and Hamas have it out.
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« Reply #531 on: October 23, 2023, 08:23:37 pm »
The delays could also be to allow time to get US assets in the area.

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« Reply #532 on: October 23, 2023, 09:07:08 pm »
Just remembered it's 4AM in Israel right now.

Sunrise in 3 hours.   :pondering:
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 5...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #533 on: October 23, 2023, 09:15:46 pm »
U.S. Marine Corps General Advising IDF on Gaza Operation

By Zach Kessel

October 23, 2023 3:11 PM

President Joe Biden has reportedly sent a small number of high-level United States military officers to Israel, including James Glynn, a three-star Marine Corps lieutenant general. Glynn previously commanded the Marine Corps’s special operations unit and led Operation Inherent Resolve, the coalitional war against the Islamic State, from July 2017 to July 2018.

The news came after an interview secretary of state Antony Blinken gave to CBS on Sunday in which he said the U.S. government is assisting Israel in its preparation for an expected ground operation in Gaza. Israel has been preparing for such an offensive — which Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has acknowledged will be difficult — since Hamas launched an unprecedented large-scale attack on the Jewish state on October 7.

The U.S. military officers will not run the Gaza offensive but will provide advice based on experience combatting ISIS in Iraq, according to Axios, which first reported the deployment.

The Biden administration has urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to delay the ground invasion into Gaza in order to buy more time to secure the release of hostages and to keep humanitarian aid flowing into the strip, the New York Times reported.

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« Reply #534 on: October 23, 2023, 09:16:36 pm »
Just remembered it's 4AM in Israel right now.

Sunrise in 3 hours.   :pondering:

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« Reply #535 on: October 23, 2023, 09:21:39 pm »
:pondering:

Did I screw up?   :laugh:   

No...sunrises at midnight Eastern Daylight Saving Time...translates to 7AM tomorrow morning in Israel.   :pondering:
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« Reply #536 on: October 23, 2023, 09:24:18 pm »
Did I screw up?   :laugh:

No..I am just contemplating your post....are you expecting something to happen?

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« Reply #537 on: October 23, 2023, 09:38:53 pm »
This is rich considering this is coming from the same people who arranged the Afghanistan withdrawal


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« Reply #539 on: October 23, 2023, 09:40:26 pm »
No..I am just contemplating your post....are you expecting something to happen?

Yeah...I'm feeling these sudden chills going ...geez I don't know if they're going UP or DOWN!

But feeling some apprehension after reading @Smokin Joe 's I believe pointing out China needing oil from Iran and wondering how far they would go...couldn't they buy it from Joe Biden?  His friend Vladimir Putin?

Feel like a Tom Clancy or Robert Ludlum novel coming to life right now.  Kind of scary...and so damned unnecessary.
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« Reply #540 on: October 23, 2023, 09:50:03 pm »
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Idiots.  Keep your f'n mouths shut.  These people are worse than amateurs.
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« Reply #541 on: October 23, 2023, 09:53:21 pm »
Yeah...I'm feeling these sudden chills going ...geez I don't know if they're going UP or DOWN!

But feeling some apprehension after reading @Smokin Joe 's I believe pointing out China needing oil from Iran and wondering how far they would go...couldn't they buy it from Joe Biden?  His friend Vladimir Putin?

Feel like a Tom Clancy or Robert Ludlum novel coming to life right now.  Kind of scary...and so damned unnecessary.

I'll admit..I am scared..if it was any other Administration I would feel better...
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« Reply #542 on: October 23, 2023, 10:17:07 pm »
I'll admit..I am scared..if it was any other Administration I would feel better...
We have a tone deaf clown show populated by appointees who can hide from accusations of incompetence behind counter accusations of racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, or whatever other modern ill they have constructed, running point on a sh*tshow that needs a deft hand to not erupt into global conflict while we are providing (hopefully) primarily moral support. Not to mention having been invaded by millions of military aged men, about whom we haven't a clue, as to location, intent, or affiliation.

What could possibly go wrong?

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« Reply #543 on: October 23, 2023, 10:28:55 pm »
I'll admit..I am scared..if it was any other Administration I would feel better...

Obama said - "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". 
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« Reply #544 on: October 23, 2023, 10:32:43 pm »
Obama said - "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". 
He was standing with them then, and still is.
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« Reply #545 on: October 23, 2023, 10:40:50 pm »
Idiots.  Keep your f'n mouths shut.  These people are worse than amateurs.

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I’ve personally shown better strategy playing Battleship than these half-wits.
Packing one corner of the board with a significant percentage of our operational carrier groups does not seem like a winner.
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Packing one corner of the board with a significant percentage of our operational carrier groups does not seem like a winner.

Iran likely has a plan. What is it?

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« Reply #548 on: October 24, 2023, 02:21:27 am »
Iran likely has a plan. What is it?
If I knew that I'd be pulling down six figures at some DOD think tank.

I can guess, of course, that Iran's theocracy is all behind "Death to the Jews" and "Death to the infidels!" (meaning, especially, Americans, but Christians in particular). Their hatred for all not their flavor of Muslim will be their downfall.

On the way to that, they have materially, financially, and otherwise supported terrorist groups which wage that war from the shadows while taking advantage of Western naivete to continue development of nuclear weapons and likely, in conjunction with the North Koreans, who may be acting as a Chinese proxy, delivery systems as well, even for the limited range needed in the Middle East and European theater.

Once they have that, there is really little to deter them from deploying those weapons except being sent to their 72 virgins a little earlier than they wanted.

It gets sticky when Israel would respond in kind to any such attack, with the Chinese in the area who can credibly claim that a major source of oil for China is a "national Interest" they must protect.  I'm not really how sure how much they could deter any Iranian aggression, especially if the Iranians felt they could prevail in an exchange or a preemptive strike.

However, if such were to appear imminent, the use of conventional forces by Israel to prevent it would be seen as an act of aggression against Chinese 'National Interests', and they might become involved. If that were to happen, chances are very good that the US would get sucked into the fracas, one way or another. 

The trick is to be there, but stay out of it directly, and let Israel maintain that it is doing whatever it is doing for defensive reasons, something most western governments will likely support. Finesse is called for to prevent an expanding conflict, and Iran is the wild card.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 5...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #549 on: October 24, 2023, 02:53:56 am »
What a "free palestine" would look like
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