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Offline LMAO

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FIRST,you have to take back control of the government BEFORE you can do ANYTHING.

WTH am I even having to explain something THAT freaking basic?

You don't "take back" an out of control federal government that has grown way, way beyond it's constitutional bounds without shrinking it

WTH am I even having to explain something THAT freaking basic
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You don't "take back" an out of control federal government that has grown way, way beyond it's constitutional bounds without shrinking it

WTH am I even having to explain something THAT freaking basic


@LMAO

Because you are too simple to understand the concept of steps.

You think the government is as simple as you are.
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   No President that has been rejected in an election has been reelected in US History, no one ever tried though.  Those odds can't be Trumped.
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We are now in an inflationary economy brought on by the Trump/Biden spending binges. How long do people think this will continue? And why should I vote for a candidate that assisted in bringing that on just because his supporters believe the system is being unfair to him?
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THE very first thing that needs to be done is to overhaul the election system to insure that ONLY American citizens who have no felony convictions are even allowed to vote. Everybody else can just pound sand,or get the hell out if they don't like it.

Can a felon be prevented from serving?  Or is he just not allowed to vote for himself?

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Can a felon be prevented from serving?  Or is he just not allowed to vote for himself?

@cato potatoe

I have no  idea how current law stands on this,but it SEEMS to ME that  is you aren't allowed  to vote,you  shouldn't be allowed to hold  elected office.

I AM willing  to listen  to arguments on this,though. Face it,over the years there has  been a lot of crap deemed to have been a felony just because it was "on the books".

In MY mind,there needs to be valid reasons to justify taking away someone's right  to vote. I guess the argument would be over the justification.
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@cato potatoe

I have no  idea how current law stands on this,but it SEEMS to ME that  is you aren't allowed  to vote,you  shouldn't be allowed to hold  elected office.

I AM willing  to listen  to arguments on this,though. Face it,over the years there has  been a lot of crap deemed to have been a felony just because it was "on the books".

In MY mind,there needs to be valid reasons to justify taking away someone's right  to vote. I guess the argument would be over the justification.

Keep that in mind, should they convict Trump on one of the numerous felony charges that he faces @sneakypete

At last count he faces 91 felony charges -- all they need is to get just one to stick.
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@Maj. Bill Martin 

Thanks for confirming that you don't think votes are important.

You're not ok with politicians using the federal budget to buy votes, are you??

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Keep that in mind, should they convict Trump on one of the numerous felony charges that he faces @sneakypete

At last count he faces 91 felony charges -- all they need is to get just one to stick.

@libertybele

I am sure it will be over 100 before the dust settles. Trump  scares them THAT  badly.

And how scared are the Dims of the loser that you support?
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You're not ok with politicians using the federal budget to buy votes, are you??

@LMAO

GROW TF UP!

Politicians have ALWAYS used federal budgets to buy votes.

The focus should be on WHAT the votes are buying. For example,veterans benefits to finance the operation of VA hospitals are spending bills that  are voted on.

DOD budgets are spending bills.

The US government can not function without spending bills.

None of your mail would even get delivered or sent if a spending bill wasn't approved to fund the USPS.

Do NOT throw the baby out with the bathwater.



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@libertybele

I am sure it will be over 100 before the dust settles. Trump  scares them THAT  badly.

And how scared are the Dims of the loser that you support?

   If the dems were really scared of Trump, they wouldn't vote for him in the Primary, like they did in 15.  They want him, they need him, they've proven they can BEAT him.
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   Sen Cruz denounced the Ethanol Subsidies and won Iowa in 16

Truth.  And he would have won it all had not the GOP Establishment not stepped in and cut a deal with Trump.
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GROW TF UP!

Politicians have ALWAYS used federal budgets to buy votes.

The focus should be on WHAT the votes are buying. For example,veterans benefits to finance the operation of VA hospitals are spending bills that  are voted on.

DOD budgets are spending bills.

Do NOT throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And here we have it.


Vote buying isn't veteran benefits or fixing streets. It's spending were  a politician expects votes in exchange for spending. Trump's farm bailouts were he expected some form of gratitude and Biden promising in the 2020 second senatorial campaign that if they voted for the democrat, more covid checks would come. It's also politicians promising public employee unions benefits that can't be paid for in exchange for their votes

But you're fine with this. Well, you're only fine with this as long as it's Trump doing it
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   For those that are still up and arguing with Trumpers for entertainment, I will provide some Music for you.

Rush - The Twilight Zone (Lyric Video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA79lLwRYTY
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   For those that are still up and arguing with Trumpers for entertainment, I will provide some Music for you.

Thank you, sir.
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@libertybele

I am sure it will be over 100 before the dust settles. Trump  scares them THAT  badly.

And how scared are the Dims of the loser that you support?
Trump doesn't scare them, give me a break. They dispatched him before, and they'll do it again.

It's the idiots who keep voting for him despite that fact, clogging up the only viable opposition.
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What we are trying to prevent is the rise of a Pinochet type here in this country.

I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

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No

It's about reducing the size of the federal government so it can't be in a position to abuse it's citizens. I'm not interested in fulfilling  yours and Trump's emotional needs. Besides, Trump has made many of his own messes that have nothing to do with me

Folks, look at RIV's  post. This is what were are up against. We are up against people who believe that they are not just simply voting for a candidate, but saving a nation in the same vein as those who fought the British

How do you overcome such delusion? The dirty little secret is they want to wield it's power. They just won't admit it

Let me explain. As long as the government spends and grows, individual freedom is replaced with dependency and tyranny. When said federal government doesn't have that full power and funding, it's ability to abuse it's citizens is reduced.

If you look at history, dictators, even "soft dictators"  tend to follow severe financial and economic calamities. This not about, as you have said, 'throwing grandma out in the street just to balance a budget.'"  It's about reigning in an out of control federal government and taking away it's funding were feasible

This is another word salad of political platitudes and personl animosity.

Please, move out of the way ---- there is a very real, very hot battle going on and you're simply unsuited for it.

That is all.

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This is another word salad of political platitudes and personl animosity.

Please, move out of the way ---- there is a very real, very hot battle going on and you're simply unsuited for it.

That is all.

Understandable

You're a Trumper. Concepts like economics, history, and reality are not your strong suits. So, naturally, it would appear to be word salad to you

But, despite your hero complex, you're not saving the country with Trump leading the way.  The guy took off after telling the Jan 6 protesters he would march with them to the Capitol..lol

Hopefully, at some point you'll come to that realization that Trump isn't going to save you. 

But. I'm willing to give you a chance to prove my point wrong. How many of the legal fees has he helped pay for those that are in jail after being summoned by him to the Capitol?  Has he provided any financial assistance for those who are being charged, in let's say, the Georgia case????

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Understandable

You're a Trumper. Concepts like economics, history, and reality are not your strong suits.

Neither is integrity.
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This is another word salad of political platitudes and personl animosity.

Please, move out of the way ---- there is a very real, very hot battle going on and you're simply unsuited for it.

That is all.
Neither is your guy, so please ask him to kindly step out of the way so we can find someone who can without a petty barrage of childish insults. Good luck with that, though  :rolling:
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Can a felon be prevented from serving?  Or is he just not allowed to vote for himself?

1) No, and 2) yes, depending on the laws of that state.   I think it is extraordinarily unlikely that the Supreme Court would hold that a felony conviction under state or federal statutory law trumps the Presidential election provision contained expressly in the Constitution.  Basically, the exact same logic that led to the striking down of term limits.

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What we are trying to prevent is the rise of a Pinochet type here in this country.

Hadn't thought of it that way before, but that's definitely a part of it.

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This is another word salad of political platitudes and personl animosity.

Please, move out of the way ---- there is a very real, very hot battle going on and you're simply unsuited for it.

That is all.

The very real battle is a populist (at best) trying to prevent a true conservative from taking office, by insults, accusations and lies.

He needs to move out of the way and let someone who is conservative, decent and has integrity take the oval office.  Trump knows DeSantis is more conservative, competent and accomplished and that is why he refuses to debate him; that is very telling.

That is all.

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   Rubio proved DJT is REAL sensitive about his hand size.  Hopefully DeSantis will use that before he exits stage right.  wink777
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