Ron DeSantis' Throws Down the Gauntlet, Challenges Trump to One-on-One Debate: 'I'm Ready for It'

[sneakypete]

Honestly, this sounds rather desperate.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Well,he IS desperate. He let people talk him into running for President,and he wasn't ready to face those challenges. Still,people EXPECT him to face them,and his supporters expect him to face them and triumph.

Best thing DeSantis can do to help his campaign at this point is to beat Newsome.

I agree,but there is going to be a LOT of pressure on his to face off against "the big guy",and he just ain't up to it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Well,he IS desperate. He let people talk him into running for President,and he wasn't ready to face those challenges.

You wish..

DeSantis is desperate because there is a high percentage of Republican primary voters who would continue to support Trump even if he shot somebody on 5th Avenue.   That's according to Trump himself.  That makes it extraordinarily difficult for any single challenger to get a plurality of votes when there are so many other candidates still in the race.

If the field doesn't narrow, Trump will win again. That's just basic math.

[libertybele]

Trump cannot possibly win the general election.  It is a mathmatical impossibility.

 

[sneakypete]

The fringe, so called "principled conservative" actually holds this scepter.

@Right_in_Virginia

That whole pack of a word I can't use are nothing but "Miss Manners" posing "kitty cats".

The CLAIM they want change,but what they REALLY want is the APPEARANCE of change. Well,I guess a RINO with a different name technically passes as "change".

Change scares the Biden out of them,so they support "Miss Manners weasels" and slap each other on the back for their "bold move".

Damn shame Boy  Jorge Bush isn't 20 years younger,or they would be having spontaneous orgasms every time someone mentioned his name.

This might very well be THE last chance we have to save America,and these fools are worried about manners and appearances,while they slap each  other on the back and claim to want change while pining away for the same old Bull Bush that put us where we are today.

It is THEY who are pissing America away,not Trump.

I expect nothing less than this from the "professional party people" because all THEY care about is maintaining their position and access to the graft and power. There is really  nothing new about this. Opportunists have ALWAYS hung around power hoping to benefit from it and gain power for themselves.

The sad,sad truth is today there is practically no difference between the Dim Part and the alleged Republican Party. Both are packed full of political careerists and opportunists whose Number ONE job is taking care of themselves.

Frankly,I am a little surprised more of them aren't backing Christy. THAT is someone  that deep down they would feel comfortable with.

[LMAO]

@Right_in_Virginia

That whole pack of a word I can't use are nothing but "Miss Manners" posing "kitty cats".

The CLAIM they want change,but what they REALLY want is the APPEARANCE of change. Well,I guess a RINO with a different name technically passes as "change".

Change scares the Biden out of them,so they support "Miss Manners weasels" and slap each other on the back for their "bold move".

Damn shame Boy  Jorge Bush isn't 20 years younger,or they would be having spontaneous orgasms every time someone mentioned his name.

This might very well be THE last chance we have to save America,and these fools are worried about manners and appearances,while they slap each  other on the back and claim to want change while pining away for the same old Bull Bush that put us where we are today.

It is THEY who are pissing America away,not Trump.

I expect nothing less than this from the "professional party people" because all THEY care about is maintaining their position and access to the graft and power. There is really  nothing new about this. Opportunists have ALWAYS hung around power hoping to benefit from it and gain power for themselves.

The sad,sad truth is today there is practically no difference between the Dim Part and the alleged Republican Party. Both are packed full of political careerists and opportunists whose Number ONE job is taking care of themselves.

Frankly,I am a little surprised more of them aren't backing Christy. THAT is someone  that deep down they would feel comfortable with.

I have not seen one poster here who fits this description

In fact, I’ve never seen a single poster that supports the likes of Jeb Bush. You mention his name more than anybody here

And I’ve not seen a single member here, regardless of who they are supporting, who’s OK with the current state of politics in this country

Why don’t you name names and give example of their posts those that fit your description


In fact, the only one here who has said they would vote for Joe Biden if Ron DeSantis was the nominee is…YOU

[sneakypete]

Desperate? It's a legitimate challenge and one debate that Americans deserve to see.

@libertybele

It would be a "MUST SEE" for surrender monkey's everywhere. DeSanctimonious would bray like a jackass,turn on that funny face,and his supporters would go orgasmic.

Sane people,not so much.

[sneakypete]

Do you have a tally on how much campaign money has been spent by DJT smearing RDS?

Just wondering.

@catfish1957

12 dollars?

[jmyrlefuller]

I expect nothing less than this from the "professional party people" because all THEY care about is maintaining their position and access to the graft and power. There is really  nothing new about this. Opportunists have ALWAYS hung around power hoping to benefit from it and gain power for themselves.

The sad,sad truth is today there is practically no difference between the Dim Part and the alleged Republican Party. Both are packed full of political careerists and opportunists whose Number ONE job is taking care of themselves.

The irony here is that you've just described Donald Trump to a T. I mean, before he ran this time around, he was the one buying off politicians to get tax favors for his own deals.

If you think politicians are horrid, well, Donald Trump is ten times as horrid. It's amazing that somehow we think that we are going to improve by replacing the worst traits of our elected and self-appointed leaders with a person in whom those traits are amplified tenfold. (forgive me if that sounds pompous)

[sneakypete]

When you look deep down into root causes.  DJT has done more damage to the conservative movement than any democrat.

He and his slimey henchmen  have systematically (among others) tried to destroy the reputations and character of some of our strongest conservatives like Cruz and RDS.

That son of a bitch needs to pay for that.

@catfish1957

Oh,HorseHillary!

NOBODY has destroyed Cruz,and RDS did that deed to himself by being the braying jackass known as RDS.

Cruz is probably one of the few politicians that SEEMS to have what it would take to win it all,but for whatever reason,he refuses to run for President.

Damn  shame because I would gladly  pay cash money  to see ANY Dim candidate try to match wits with him. ESPECIALLY somebody that would be stupid enough to piss him off.

[LMAO]

The irony here is that you've just described Donald Trump to a T. I mean, before he ran this time around, he was the one buying off politicians to get tax favors for his own deals.

If you think politicians are horrid, well, Donald Trump is ten times as horrid. It's amazing that somehow we think that we are going to improve by replacing the worst traits of our elected and self-appointed leaders with a person in whom those traits are amplified tenfold. (forgive me if that sounds pompous)

He doesn’t see it

He has somehow convinced himself that Donald Trump is the guy to “save America.” He never really describes what that means. But how do you break through such delusion?

[sneakypete]

@Kamaji

Yet Trump is so far ahead of your boy  in the polls that he can't even be seen.

Or,more importantly,heard braying.

[sneakypete]

The fringe, so called "principled conservative" actually holds this scepter.

@Right_in_Virginia

Sooooo,true!

[sneakypete]

It will be interesting to see how Trump weasels out of this invitation without appearing to be a bully or afraid of his opponent.

@libertybele

I dunno.

Maybe he will need the help of a surrender monkey? Will you answer his call?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

He doesn’t see it

He has somehow convinced himself that Donald Trump is the guy to “save America.” He never really describes what that means. But how do you break through such delusion?

You can't.  Because it isn't really delusion that's the problem.  It's that we don't actually believe in the same things.

He and RiV have made it clear that Reagan conservatism -- a belief in limited government -- isn't a part of the the Trump movement.  And on that point, we agree.  They see those kind of conservatives as a fringe who the world has passed by.  We're part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

So there really isn't any more of this "we all believe in the same things but just have different ways of getting there" stuff.  Truth is...we really don't believe in the same things at all.  Not when it comes to the big picture of where this country should be headed.

And that's why we keep talking past each other - fundamentally different worldviews.  We keep arguing that "Trump isn't a conservative" thinking that's a winning argument, but it's only a winning argument to us, not to them.  They don't care about smaller, more limited government, and we do.  So...disconnect.
 

[sneakypete]

I have not seen one poster here who fits this description

In fact, I’ve never seen a single poster that supports the likes of Jeb Bush. You mention his name more than anybody here

And I’ve not seen a single member here, regardless of who they are supporting, who’s OK with the current state of politics in this country

Why don’t you name names and give example of their posts those that fit your description


In fact, the only one here who has said they would vote for Joe Biden if Ron DeSantis was the nominee is…YOU

@LMAO

Never happened,bubba,although,frankly,I  see very little difference between a braying jackass backstabbing little bitch,and a senile old fool that was never very bright before he became senile.

[LMAO]

You can't.  Because it isn't really delusion that's the problem.  It's that we don't actually believe in the same things.

He and RiV have made it clear that Reagan conservatism -- a belief in limited government -- isn't a part of the the Trump movement.  And on that point, we agree.  They see those kind of conservatives as a fringe who the world has passed by.   Part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

So there really isn't any more of this "we all believe in the same things but just have different ways of getting there" stuff.  Truth is...we really don't believe in the same things at all.  Not when it comes to the big picture of where this country should be headed.

And that's why we keep talking past each other - fundamentally different worldviews.  We keep arguing that "Trump isn't a conservative" thinking that's a winning argument, but it's only a winning argument to us, not to them.  They don't care about smaller, more limited government, and we do.  So...disconnect.

And we believe it more than ever as the government has gotten larger, it becomes more abusive. As it continues the unsustainable spending, the resulting inflation hurts to standard of living  of most Americans. So let them sneer at  “principles conservatives.” We have been as right on these issues as much as they’ve been wrong

One of the posters you named not long ago said that anybody who wanted to try to control spending just wanted to throw grandmothers out on the street.  Yet, it’s the Trump/Biden inflationary fiscal and monetary policies that threaten to do just that

[sneakypete]

The irony here is that you've just described Donald Trump to a T. I mean, before he ran this time around, he was the one buying off politicians to get tax favors for his own deals.

@jmyrlefuller


Are  you REALLY so stupid that you don't think every major businessman in the nation isn't trying to do the same thing on a daily basis?


If you think politicians are horrid, well, Donald Trump is ten times as horrid. It's amazing that somehow we think that we are going to improve by replacing the worst traits of our elected and self-appointed leaders with a person in whom those traits are amplified tenfold. (forgive me if that sounds pompous)

"Pompous" is how  I know it is you,and not a cheap imitator.

[LMAO]

 :

@jmyrlefuller


Are  you REALLY so stupid that you don't think every major businessman in the nation isn't trying to do the same thing on a daily basis?


If you think politicians are horrid, well, Donald Trump is ten times as horrid. It's amazing that somehow we think that we are going to improve by replacing the worst traits of our elected and self-appointed leaders with a person in whom those traits are amplified tenfold. (forgive me if that sounds pompous)


"Pompous" is how  I know it is you,and not a cheap imitator.

Lol!

You just made his point with your first sentence. Well done!

[sneakypete]

You can't.  Because it isn't really delusion that's the problem.  It's that we don't actually believe in the same things.

He and RiV have made it clear that Reagan conservatism -- a belief in limited government -- isn't a part of the the Trump movement.  And on that point, we agree.  They see those kind of conservatives as a fringe who the world has passed by.  We're part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

@Maj. Bill Martin

First we have to try to restore America as a free and independent nation.

THEN we can try to work our way back to balanced budgets (BTW,WHEN  was the last time we had one?),smaller government,etc,etc,etc.

We are not going to do that by voting for yet one more career politician who is going to start looking towards re-election the same day he gets sworn in.

What we need is someone who is NOT a career politician,but someone who can  only serve one term and is looking for a spot in the history books. Someone who can't be bought  because he already has more money than he can count,and is already looking at his "sunset years".

Know anybody like that?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And we believe it more than ever as the government has gotten larger, it becomes more abusive. As it continues the unsustainable spending, the resulting inflation hurts to standard of living  of most Americans. So let them sneer at  “principles conservatives.” We have been as right on these issues as much as they’ve been wrong

One of the posters you named not long ago said that anybody who wanted to try to control spending just wanted to throw grandmothers out on the street.  Yet, it’s the Trump/Biden inflationary fiscal and monetary policies that threaten to do just that

Yup.  They're basically willing to buy working class votes with more and more spending.  If that Trump movement wins, then there will no longer be anyone even attempting to control it.  The question won't be "how much money is the government going to give away", but rather "I do we make sure our supporters get that money, and the other side's don't?"  Do we hand out money to the working class, or to the cities?

Obviously, the economy and country won't survive that for long.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

First we have to try to restore America as a free and independent nation.

THEN we can try to work our way back to balanced budgets (BTW,WHEN  was the last time we had one?),smaller government,etc,etc,etc.

Thanks for confirming that you're essentially buying votes.

By the way, what do you suppose is going to happen when Trump voters -- many of whom used to be Democrats -- who have gotten used to that massive government spending get told by Republicans "well, now that we got your votes on this other stuff, it's time to reverse course and now make the kind of smaller, more limited government that's going to require a whole lot more belt tightening?"  What percentage of them do you think you're going to lose right back to a Democratic party that promises to continue that level of spending/handouts?

Here's a hint -- it's going to be a lot.

[LMAO]

@Maj. Bill Martin

First we have to try to restore America as a free and independent nation.

THEN we can try to work our way back to balanced budgets (BTW,WHEN  was the last time we had one?),smaller government,etc,etc,etc.

We are not going to do that by voting for yet one more career politician who is going to start looking towards re-election the same day he gets sworn in.

What we need is someone who is NOT a career politician,but someone who can  only serve one term and is looking for a spot in the history books. Someone who can't be bought  because he already has more money than he can count,and is already looking at his "sunset years".

Know anybody like that?

How do you return America to a free and independent nation when you’re expanding the size of the federal government?

That doesn’t make sense. “We’ll worry about shrinking the size of the federal government after we grow it?”

That’s absurd, bizarre, ridiculous, ridonculous

BTW, the last time we had, technically, a balance budget was in the 1990s. And the economy thrived

We also had balanced budget under Calvin Coolidge, and the economy thrived

[LMAO]

Yup.  They're basically willing to buy working class votes with more and more spending.  If that Trump movement wins, then there will no longer be anyone even attempting to control it.  The question won't be "how much money is the government going to give away", but rather "I do we make sure our supporters get that money, and the other side's don't?"  Do we hand out money to the working class, or to the cities?

Obviously, the economy and country won't survive that for long.

No. And all signs are pointing that that’s coming sooner than later.

I’m under no illusion that any of the republican candidates running is going to balance the budget

But only one is promising to make it worse

[Right_in_Virginia]

Truth is...we really don't believe in the same things at all.  Not when it comes to the big picture of where this country should be headed.

We faced the same divide between the Founders' enclave and the King's court.  The right side won then, and I'm confident we will again.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

We faced the same divide between the Founders' enclave and the King's court.  The right side won then, and I'm confident we will again.

Appreciate the clarity that we truly are on different sides.