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[sneakypete]

It's also the Republican ant-Trump plan @sneakypete

@Right_in_Virginia

Of course it is. They are political allies,and have been for years. They just play the voters off,one against another in order for them to all retain power and make profits.

Which is why we need to "shake things up" while we still can.

[sneakypete]

True, but IIRC Trump was able to gain delegates through winning a plurality in a state or in a few states in 2016 which IMO shouldn't happen. Correct me if I'm wrong.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Which obviously pissed you off.

"Why,the GALL of that man! Who the hell does he think he is to win a plurality?"

[sneakypete]

Spending cuts are necessary or Americans will see declines in their standard of living with inflationary pressures

 

@LMAO

I am not so sure that is true. The government could bring in a LOT more money if they would stop allowing large manufactures to close US manufacturing facilities in order to open new ones in places like China.

What THAT does is enrich the wealthy stockholders,almost all of whom are globalists,while creating poverty and unemployment in America.

[berdie]

@LMAO

I am not so sure that is true. The government could bring in a LOT more money if they would stop allowing large manufactures to close US manufacturing facilities in order to open new ones in places like China.

What THAT does is enrich the wealthy stockholders,almost all of whom are globalists,while creating poverty and unemployment in America.

How would the federal government do that?

[LMAO]

How would the federal government do that?

Right

Companies have the right to move to wherever they want. We may not like it. But they have that right

The reason why the government hasn't stop companies from leaving the country is because they can't

[sneakypete]

How would the federal government do that?

@berdie

Tariffs on certain imported goods.

Nothing new about that.

[sneakypete]

Right

Companies have the right to move to wherever they want. We may not like it. But they have that right

The reason why the government hasn't stop companies from leaving the country is because they can't

@LMAO

I  agree,and government has the right to lay import fees on goods manufactured and/or assembled in foreign nations.

[LMAO]

@berdie

Tariffs on certain imported goods.

Nothing new about that.

You know that Tariffs are eventually passed on to the consumer, right?

If you want Corporations to stay in the country and come to America, you incentive that with tax and regulatory breaks(which, Trump did)

[sneakypete]

You know that Tariffs are eventually passed on to the consumer, right?

@LMAO

Only  to the point where the consumers quit buying those goods.

As it stands now,these corporations are getting their goods produced for a LOT less money than they were spending getting them produced in the US,and not dropping the retail prices by even one thin dime.

Hell,they will probably try to raise prices.

Corporations are about profits,PERIOD. What is good for America or bad for America is not even a consideration. Government has no right to order them to manufacture their products in the US in order to provide jobs for Americans,but Government damn sure has the right to charge import fees.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Only  to the point where the consumers quit buying those goods.

As it stands now,these corporations are getting their goods produced for a LOT less money than they were spending getting them produced in the US,and not dropping the retail prices by even one thin dime.

Hell,they will probably try to raise prices.

Corporations are about profits,PERIOD. What is good for America or bad for America is not even a consideration. Government has no right to order them to manufacture their products in the US in order to provide jobs for Americans,but Government damn sure has the right to charge import fees.

So what's the plan when/if other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on our  goods?

[Hoodat]

So what's the plan when/if other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on our  goods?

Whoa, wait a minute?  You just blew my mind.  Are you suggesting that actions have consequences?  That other countries would retaliate against our moves?  That's crazy talk.  They wouldn't do that.  Right?

[sneakypete]

So what's the plan when/if other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on our  goods?

@LMAO

You mean tariffs on our OWN goods,right?

After all,these are items make using American machinery that has been designed by American engineers,and manufactured for sale in America.

The Chinese are just doing the manufacturing for an American Corporation.

[sneakypete]

Whoa, wait a minute?  You just blew my mind.  Are you suggesting that actions have consequences?  That other countries would retaliate against our moves?  That's crazy talk.  They wouldn't do that.  Right?

@Hoodat

Really?

Did it escape your attention that these are American designed goods,produced on American machinery,and even the labor fees are paid by the American Corporation that shipped the machinery  to China and then paid the Chinese to assemble it all under American supervision,in or to sell the goods to American consumers?

[LMAO]

@LMAO

You mean tariffs on our OWN goods,right?

After all,these are items make using American machinery that has been designed by American engineers,and manufactured for sale in America.

The Chinese are just doing the manufacturing for an American Corporation.

You still didn't answer my question

Here it is again.. Second time

"So what's the plan when/if other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on our  goods?"

I'll give you a hint..."trade war"

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

[sneakypete]

You still didn't answer my question

Here it is again.. Second time

"So what's the plan when/if other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on our  goods?"

I'll give you a hint..."trade war"

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

@LMAO

Oh,lawdy,lawdy,weeze all a-gonna die lessin weeze surrindur!

WTH do you think is ALREADY happening?

The ONLY reason it isn't a trade war already is we aren't fighting back.

Do NOT think that just because there are Corporations that are based in America that they won't work hard to destroy  America if they think that is in the best interests of the corporation.

After all,the ONLY loyalty  that corporation are required to have is loyalty to themselves/shareholders.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

Oh,lawdy,lawdy,weeze all a-gonna die lessin weeze surrindur!

WTH do you think is ALREADY happening?

The ONLY reason it isn't a trade war already is we aren't fighting back.

Do NOT think that just because there are Corporations that are based in America that they won't work hard to destroy  America if they think that is in the best interests of the corporation.

After all,the ONLY loyalty  that corporation are required to have is loyalty to themselves/shareholders.

All right

I guess you’re going to avoid the question so I’m gonna stop asking

It started because you said government should stop corporations from going overseas

I,  along with someone else, told you the federal government can’t do that

You said that they can impose tariffs. Which, by the way, our eventually passed on to the consumer

I even asked you what’s the plan when those countries whose goods tariffs were placed on retaliate with tariffs of their own

You then danced around the question . Shareholders and corporations are not gonna lose money just because you and Donald Trump tell them it’s their patriotic duty to do such. And  countries always look out for their own self interest first

And you’re also wrong about that we’ve not had a trade war yet:





US exports to China, which cratered during President Donald Trump’s trade war of 2018–19, are continuing to suffer. China is now shifting some purchases of foreign goods away from the United States. Both have the same fear: that the other side will suddenly weaponize trade flows—cut off imports or exports—in the name of security. Trying to get ahead of that, each is now attempting to diversify.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/five-years-trade-war-china-continues-its-slow-decoupling-us-exports

China’s turn away from US exports began alongside its imposition of tariffs in response to Trump’s trade confrontation, starting in 2018. Trump and President Xi Jinping announced a truce in January 2020, at which point China pledged to increase its imports from the United States by $200 billion over two years. For varied reasons, China did not come close to meeting its pledged target. US exports to China barely reached pre-trade war levels even by 2021.”


Had Trump won a second term, and continued with his trade policies, the results would have been some type of economic calamity. The inflation we are enjoying today wasn’t started during the Biden reign. The seeds of it were planted during Trumps tenure. Biden just stepped on the gas

[sneakypete]

All right

I guess you’re going to avoid the question so I’m gonna stop asking

It started because you said government should stop corporations from going overseas


I did NOT post that,nor have I ever said it.

I,  along with someone else, told you the federal government can’t do that

You said that they can impose tariffs. Which, by the way, our eventually passed on to the consumer

I even asked you what’s the plan when those countries whose goods tariffs were placed on retaliate with tariffs of their own

You then danced around the question . Shareholders and corporations are not gonna lose money just because you and Donald Trump tell them it’s their patriotic duty to do such. And  countries always look out for their own self interest first


Ok,so we have now  established that you have stock in at least one foreign corporation.

And you’re also wrong about that we’ve not had a trade war yet:

US exports to China, which cratered during President Donald Trump’s trade war of 2018–19, are continuing to suffer. China is now shifting some purchases of foreign goods away from the United States. Both have the same fear: that the other side will suddenly weaponize trade flows—cut off imports or exports—in the name of security. Trying to get ahead of that, each is now attempting to diversify.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/five-years-trade-war-china-continues-its-slow-decoupling-us-exports

China’s turn away from US exports began alongside its imposition of tariffs in response to Trump’s trade confrontation, starting in 2018. Trump and President Xi Jinping announced a truce in January 2020, at which point China pledged to increase its imports from the United States by $200 billion over two years. For varied reasons, China did not come close to meeting its pledged target. US exports to China barely reached pre-trade war levels even by 2021.”

Good to see you have come out of the closet and admitted you are a globalist. Your retirement funds tied up in foreign investments,that if successful,will harm American businesses?

If America wins,you  lose?

I'll stick with being an American.

Had Trump won a second term, and continued with his trade policies, the results would have been some type of economic calamity. The inflation we are enjoying today wasn’t started during the Biden reign. The seeds of it were planted during Trumps tenure. Biden just stepped on the gas


Grab de chilruns n run fur de woods,Trump mite win agin! Oh,lawdy,lawdy,all dat monies ah dun investd in furrin compnies mite git lost!

[LMAO]

I did NOT post that,nor have I ever said it.

You sure about that? This is your post just a few up, no?

“I am not so sure that is true. The government could bring in a LOT more money if they would stop allowing large manufactures to close US manufacturing facilities in order to open new ones in places like China.”

Then when asked how the fed gov would do that, you replied with tariffs. Then your posts went downhill from there

Again, corporations and investors are not going to lose money and retirees aren’t going to watch their investments decline just because you and Trump tell them they should in order to be “good Americans”

And other countries are not going to put aside their finances and pursuit of self interest

[sneakypete]

You sure about that? This is your post just a few up, no?

Yes,and Yes. PLEASE note

“I am not so sure that is true. The government could bring in a LOT more money if they would stop allowing large manufactures to close US manufacturing facilities in order to open new ones in places like China.”

Is the above,true,or false,and if you think it is false,what color is the sky in a world were a government remained solvent by allowing it's corporations to shut down shops  and put it's citizens out of work while doing damage to it's own budgetting?

WHY should Corporations be allowed what amounts to tax avoidance scams while benefiting from the protection of US laws as well as the protection of the US Military?

Then when asked how the fed gov would do that, you replied with tariffs.

Tariffs are just another form of tax,and since thee and me are required to pay taxes,why shouldn't US based corporations also be required to pay taxes?

Or are you one of those people who think paying taxes is a crime against humanity?

 Then your posts went downhill from there

Again, corporations and investors are not going to lose money and other countries are not going to give up their pursuit of self interest just because you and Trump tell them they should in order to be “good Americans”

Ok,so now  you  are FINALLY  on record as not giving a damn  about the survival of America if it means America must insist on protecting her OWN self-interest instead of protecting your retirement funds from a foreign corporation.

"It's all about me,me,ME,DAMMITT!",huh?

[LMAO]

Yes,and Yes. PLEASE note

“I am not so sure that is true. The government could bring in a LOT more money if they would stop allowing large manufactures to close US manufacturing facilities in order to open new ones in places like China.”

Is the above,true,or false,and if you think it is false,what color is the sky in a world were a government remained solvent by allowing it's corporations to shut down shops  and put it's citizens out of work while doing damage to it's own budgetting?

WHY should Corporations be allowed what amounts to tax avoidance scams while benefiting from the protection of US laws as well as the protection of the US Military?

Tariffs are just another form of tax,and since thee and me are required to pay taxes,why shouldn't US based corporations also be required to pay taxes?

Or are you one of those people who think paying taxes is a crime against humanity?

 Then your posts went downhill from there


Ok,so now  you  are FINALLY  on record as not giving a damn  about the survival of America if it means America must insist on protecting her OWN self-interest instead of protecting your retirement funds from a foreign corporation.

"It's all about me,me,ME,DAMMITT!",huh?

OK, this conversation is done

I’ve proven my point, and I’ve provided links to back my case.  You’ve countered with emotional  and strawman arguments. Not that I was expecting anything different from you.


The only thing you forgotten is to use orange, rude, and Rich.

[sneakypete]

OK, this conversation is done

I’ve proven my point, and I’ve provided links to back my case.  You’ve countered with emotional  and strawman arguments. Not that I was expecting anything different from you.


The only thing you forgotten is to use orange, rude, and Rich.

@LMAO

Sometimes things are just so obvious they don't have to be mentioned.

[Kamaji]

OK, this conversation is done

I’ve proven my point, and I’ve provided links to back my case.  You’ve countered with emotional  and strawman arguments. Not that I was expecting anything different from you.


The only thing you forgotten is to use orange, rude, and Rich.

[LMAO]

And here is another example of the folly of tariffs and protectionism. Not that SP would care. But this is for others to chew on.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/01/21/trump-tariff-aid-to-farmers-cost-more-than-us-nuclear-forces/?sh=3811399d6c50

After a series of tariff increases on Chinese imports, the government of China retaliated against U.S. exporters, as predicted by trade analysts outside of the administration. As a result, U.S. exports, particularly of agricultural goods, dropped significantly. “Losing the world’s most populous country as an export market has been a major blow to the [U.S.] agriculture industry,” reported the New York Times in August 2019. “Total American agricultural exports to China were $24 billion in 2014 and fell to $9.1 billion last year, according to the American Farm Bureau.” In 2018, U.S. farmers’ soybean exports to China declined by 75%, according to the U.S. International Trade Commission.

To shore up political support from farmers, Donald Trump approved increasing amounts of government aid to farmers harmed by the trade policies that the Trump administration itself initiated. Trump was open about the purpose of the payments. “I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that ‘oh jeez, the farmers are upset,’” he told attendees of an Illinois farmer show in August 2019. “Well, they can’t be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year. . . . I hope you like me even better than you did in ’16.”

So how does having to bail out farmers who were harmed by Trump’s trade policies a net gain for the taxpayer?

It seems the deeper you delve into policy, the more MAGA mimics the left

[DefiantMassRINO]

The Chi-coms will never be trustworthy free trade partners because:

1.) They are a totalitarian Communist dictatorship, comrades.
2.) They do not respect legal protections for intellectual property.
3.) To operate within China, foreign companies must "partner" with a Chinese "company" and "voluntarily" allow that "partner" to access proprietary intellectual property.
4.) They engage in hostile cyber criminal activity against American Government and corporate IT systems.

The smart thing to do, is to build a more diverse multi-source supply chain.  This will give us more leverage when negotiating trade issues with the Chi-coms, and the ability to de-link from China.

[txradioguy]

The Chi-coms will never be trustworthy free trade partners because:

1.) They are a totalitarian Communist dictatorship, comrades.
2.) They do not respect legal protections for intellectual property.
3.) To operate within China, foreign companies must "partner" with a Chinese "company" and "voluntarily" allow that "partner" to access proprietary intellectual property.
4.) They engage in hostile cyber criminal activity against American Government and corporate IT systems.

The smart thing to do, is to build a more diverse multi-source supply chain.  This will give us more leverage when negotiating trade issues with the Chi-coms, and the ability to de-link from China.

Our first mistake was granting them permanent Most Favored nation trading status.  Before that happened in the 90's it was on an IIRC every two year renewal basis and China for the most part behaved.

Now that they don't have to worry about any renewal of their status they've run wild.