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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4500 on: September 01, 2024, 11:11:45 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on September 01, 2024, 10:50:13 am

ToS is missing an echo.

tos?

I'd call you silly, but it would more underscore the more apt description "clueless".

Briefers and Pelosi, and Biden, and others all allying???



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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4501 on: September 01, 2024, 11:14:57 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on September 01, 2024, 10:50:13 am
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ToS is missing an echo.

Well, you know:

* Ukrainians are Nazis;

* Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in the Solar System;

* Biden and NATO caused Putin to invade Ukraine because Ukraine wants to join NATO;

* Zelensky used $$ from the US to buy two yachts in the Black Sea;

* And any other stupidly-false Hate-Ukraine slanders I did not remember.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4502 on: September 01, 2024, 11:36:50 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on September 01, 2024, 11:14:57 am
Well, you know:

* Ukrainians are Nazis;

* Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in the Solar System;

* Biden and NATO caused Putin to invade Ukraine because Ukraine wants to join NATO;

* Zelensky used $$ from the US to buy two yachts in the Black Sea;

* And any other stupidly-false Hate-Ukraine slanders I did not remember.

Okay numb nuts...  cite an exact post of any of those 5 that are in my posting history.  Why at it....   take off your Zellinsky knee pads.

I since day 1 have expressed my support for the Ukranian people, and have publically went on record I'd like to see Russains have Putin off'ed. 

Sucks to see Briefers gaslight as well as any democrat.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4503 on: September 01, 2024, 03:30:22 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on September 01, 2024, 11:11:45 am
Briefers and Pelosi, and Biden, and others all allying???

@catfish1957

What in the hell are you talking about?  No one here is allying with Biden and Pelosi.

I have been vociferously voicing my continuous and uninterrupted opposition to Biden's Ukraine policy since the Russian buildup first began in 2021.  Biden doesn't want this war to end.  He doesn't want Ukraine to win.  And his policies prove it:

- Blocked weapon shipments to Ukraine allocated by Trump in 2020
- Blocked MiG-29 transfers from Poland, Slovakia, Estonia, etc. to Ukraine
- Denied their requests for ground support aircraft such as the A-10
- Delayed transfer of APCs and air defense missiles.
- Seriously ripped them off by use of drawdowns, giving them pennies on the dollar and pocketing the rest
- Took massive allocations of Ukraine aid and diverted it through the State Department and USAID to funnel it to friendly entities who launder it right back into political slush funds.
- Attached engagement rules and restrictions to weapons given to Ukraine, effectively making them useless for their requested purpose.
- Purposely gave him lower grade equipment than that which was promised, holding back equipment deliveries for months on end.

And most important of all, they ended the blockade on Iranian oi as they allowed crude prices to skyrocket, which essentially funds the war for Russia.  And they did absolutely nothing to stop Iran from supplying Russia with terror weapons.

Every single one of these points has been reiterated for over two years.  Yet you have the chutzpah to say that we ally ourselves with this?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4504 on: September 01, 2024, 03:42:20 pm »
Bump.  This was @ScottinVA 's response a year ago to unsupported charges that Zelenskiy was a 'grifter'.

Quote from: ScottinVA on September 20, 2023, 05:49:44 am
I couldn’t give two shits about Zelensky and whatever his stances on global warming are.  What matters is aiding the Ukrainian people who detest the prospect of spending yet another generation under the Russian jackboot.  Any real conservative would stand with the Ukrainians and their courageous fight against those filthy orcs.

Anyone who “thinks” that shrunken little KGB thug in the Kremlin is somehow a white-hatted good guy isn’t employing brain cells.  He would happily obliterate the US and its allies if he believed he could get away with it.  A world with a dead Vladimir Putin and a dismembered, disarmed Russia would be a better world indeed.


100% agree.  This war ain't about Zelenskiy.  It is about Ukraine's right to exist as a free nation.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4505 on: September 01, 2024, 05:02:43 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 31, 2024, 05:47:24 pm
WTF are you talking about ?!?!?!?!

I have said at least 10 times on Ukraine forums that I'd like to see Putin off'ed.

So stick the proganda accusation, where the sun doesn't shine.

And OTOH, I could make accusations that the pro-Ukraine Briefers are supporting dims in that we are being invaded right now by illegal aliens, but prefer sending that money to Ukraine.  But I wouldn't do that.  :pondering:

Whether intentionally or unintentionally you're repeating and amplifying a Russian talking point. I've seen it way too many times on FR and I will call it out when I see it here. If that offends you then I'm glad that the message reached you.

Because the security of our southern border has nothing to do with money but instead the will to protect it. Proof of this is the Biden regime suing the border states to prevent them from securing the border.

It is not about the money so kindly stop saying it is.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4506 on: September 01, 2024, 05:03:42 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on September 01, 2024, 03:42:20 pm
Bump.  This was @ScottinVA 's response a year ago to unsupported charges that Zelenskiy was a 'grifter'.


100% agree.  This war ain't about Zelenskiy.  It is about Ukraine's right to exist as a free nation.

The war started in 2014 long before Zelensky even thought of running for office.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4507 on: September 01, 2024, 08:19:01 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4508 on: September 01, 2024, 08:21:03 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4509 on: September 01, 2024, 08:23:12 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4510 on: September 01, 2024, 08:24:54 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4511 on: September 01, 2024, 08:28:54 pm »
In February, 31 M-1 Abrams Tanks Stood Between The Russians And Pokrovsk. Today, Maybe Half Are Left.

Analysts assume Russia will reach Pokrovsk and its crucial supply lines in September.

David Axe  |  Aug 31, 2024  |  07:55pm EDT

Russian troops raised a flag over a mine complex on the northern edge of Novohrodivka on Thursday, marking their farthest advance along the 25-mile Avdiivka-Pokrovsk axis, six months after the ammunition-starved Ukrainian garrison fled the former fortress city.

Now there’s just one main trench between the advancing Russians and Pokrovsk, a key Ukrainian logistical hub in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk Oblast. And it’s not clear the Ukrainians have deployed enough manpower to the Pokrovsk sector to fill the trench with troops.

All that is to say, Pokrovsk—a city with a pre-war population of 60,000—is in big trouble. The meager reinforcements the Ukrainian armed forces have sent to the area may not be able to save it.

What happens if and when Pokrovsk falls is unclear. But it certainly won’t help the Ukrainian war effort as Russia’s wider invasion grinds into its 30th month.

After capturing the ruins of Avdiivka in mid-February, the surviving Russians from a pair of battered field armies stared across what may have seemed like a daunting obstacle lying between them and Pokrovsk: a layer of several trenches threading through the villages between the two cities.

But appearances were deceiving. “Ukrainian troops in the Pokrovsk direction were forced to retreat multiple times, lacking sufficient forces and resources to mount an organized defense,” Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight explained.

It’s not that the Ukrainians lost every battle for every section of the trenches. But they lost some. And when one section of a trench fell, the Ukrainian troops in the adjacent sections often had no choice but to fall back—or risk being surrounded.

“The major issue remains the shortage of available manpower and experienced units to provide organized defense and defend those positions,” Frontelligence Insight noted. “No matter how well-constructed or numerous the defenses are, if they are only staffed at 10 to 20 percent of the required capacity, it’s unsurprising that Russian forces are able to overrun them so quickly.”  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/31/in-february-31-m-1-abrams-tanks-stood-between-the-russians-and-pokrovsk-today-maybe-half-are-left/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4512 on: September 01, 2024, 08:30:45 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4513 on: September 01, 2024, 08:37:33 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4514 on: September 01, 2024, 09:17:00 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on September 01, 2024, 11:14:57 am
Well, you know:

* Ukrainians are Nazis;

* Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in the Solar System;

* Biden and NATO caused Putin to invade Ukraine because Ukraine wants to join NATO;

* Zelensky used $$ from the US to buy two yachts in the Black Sea;

* And any other stupidly-false Hate-Ukraine slanders I did not remember.

Yup.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4515 on: September 01, 2024, 09:17:41 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on September 01, 2024, 11:11:45 am
tos?

I'd call you silly, but it would more underscore the more apt description "clueless".

Briefers and Pelosi, and Biden, and others all allying???





When it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and ....
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4516 on: September 01, 2024, 09:23:35 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on September 01, 2024, 09:17:41 pm
When it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and ....

And @catfish1957 is about as far away from TOS as one can get.  Old friend.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4517 on: September 01, 2024, 10:41:37 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4518 on: September 01, 2024, 10:43:58 pm »
from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1f6gejc/summary_of_enemy_shelling_for_august_by_war/

— 680 strike UAVs of the "Shahid"/"Gerbera" type.

Attack UAVs were destroyed — 655 units (96.32%).

Also launched: — 115 units Kh-101/55 and 3m14 "Caliber" cruise missiles. Of them, 99 units were shot down. (86.09%);

— 45 units Ballistic missiles of types 9m723 OTRK "Iskander-M"/KN-23. Of them, 7 units were shot down. (15.56%);

— 48 units Guided air missiles of the X-59/69 type. Of them, 12 units were shot down. (25%);

— 9 units aeroballistic missiles of the Kh47m2 "Kinzhal" complex. Of them, 2 units were shot down. (22.22%);

— 7 units Kh-22 supersonic cruise missiles. Of them, 2 units were shot down. (28.57%);

— 5 units Cruise missiles R-500 9m728 OTRK "Iskander-K". Of them, 1 unit was shot down. (20%);

— 4 units Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles Of them, 0 units were knocked down.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4519 on: September 01, 2024, 10:46:11 pm »
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« Reply #4520 on: September 01, 2024, 10:47:50 pm »
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« Reply #4521 on: September 01, 2024, 10:49:01 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4522 on: September 01, 2024, 10:59:49 pm »
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« Reply #4523 on: September 02, 2024, 08:44:44 am »
Ukraine Strikes Moscow Oil Refinery in Massive Drone Barrage

Wall Street Journal by Matthew Luxmoore 9/1/2024

Russia’s Defense Ministry said more than 150 drones were fired against targets across the country on Sunday

Ukraine struck a major oil refinery in Moscow and other targets across Russia in one of its largest aerial barrages since the start of Russia’s invasion, expanding a campaign of drone attacks on energy facilities and further highlighting the vulnerability of strategic infrastructure deep inside Russia.

Russia’s defense ministry said on Sunday that its air defenses had intercepted or shot down more than 150 drones in 15 regions. At least one of them detonated over a major refinery in Moscow that is owned by state energy giant Gazprom, officials said, while another hit a power station in the neighboring Tver region.

Videos posted on social media showed large explosions engulfing parts of the oil refinery’s sprawling complex, located southeast of the city center. The videos couldn’t immediately be independently verified.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said one of the drones that struck the Moscow refinery had caused damage to an “adjacent technical facility” at the plant, without elaborating, and later said emergency services had put out the flames. He added that there were no casualties and the functioning of the plant hadn’t been affected.

Kyiv didn’t immediately comment on the attacks.

Russia and Ukraine have been carrying out regular strikes against targets tied to the adversary’s military and energy industries. Last week, Russia fired what Ukraine described as the largest rocket-and-drone barrage of the war, leading to temporary blackouts in some Ukrainian cities.

Ukraine has in recent months increased the pace and scale of its drone strikes on Russia, including on energy facilities deep inside the country. It has hit Russian air defenses and fuel and ammunition stores.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4524 on: September 02, 2024, 08:51:36 am »
Quote from: MeganC on September 01, 2024, 05:02:43 pm


It is not about the money so kindly stop saying it is.

We are $35T in debt, and its not about the money?

What are you...  12?
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