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« Reply #3775 on: August 04, 2024, 05:58:20 pm »
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« Reply #3778 on: August 04, 2024, 06:03:53 pm »
From a Russian milblogger:

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« Reply #3782 on: August 04, 2024, 06:14:48 pm »
The Air Force disclosed the details of the unique operation to destroy the S-400 air defense system

Maria Vlasova  |  03 August  |  17:05

According to the information of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a Ukrainian pilot with the call sign "Jef" on a downed MiG-29 fighter was able to destroy the S-400 air defense system of the occupation army of the Russian Federation.

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  • The Ukrainian pilot 'Jef' successfully destroyed the S-400 air defense system of the Russian occupation army while flying a downed MiG-29 fighter, showcasing high professionalism and courage amidst intensified hostilities.

  • Despite facing a series of challenges during the operation, including missile attacks and hydraulic system failures, 'Jef' managed to land safely on moist ground, preventing catastrophic consequences.

  • In addition to the destruction of the S-400 system, 'Jef' also destroyed the S-300 air defense system in a separate operation, highlighting his exceptional combat skills and determination to protect Ukrainian ground units.

  • The pilot's achievements include conducting over 150 sorties, destroying more than 10 enemy UAVs, and displaying exceptional aerial combat capabilities by launching multiple missiles against enemy air defense positions.  .  .

https://news.online.ua/en/the-air-force-disclosed-the-details-of-the-unique-operation-to-destroy-the-s-400-air-defense-system-882887/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3783 on: August 04, 2024, 07:17:37 pm »
As Ukraine escalates its attacks on mainland Russia, which I believe it will do with F-16s in their inventory of assets, I expect the Russians to use nukes.

Their(Russian) conventional forces are poorly trained, supplied poorly, and the only option available for them is to reciprocate and escalate to nukes.  Count on it.

When the USA could not look weaker, with Biden and Harris, and Trump appears to be self imploding, Putin will feel he has a green light to do just about anything he wants.

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« Reply #3784 on: August 04, 2024, 09:07:50 pm »
As Ukraine escalates its attacks on mainland Russia, which I believe it will do with F-16s in their inventory of assets, I expect the Russians to use nukes.

Their(Russian) conventional forces are poorly trained, supplied poorly, and the only option available for them is to reciprocate and escalate to nukes.  Count on it.

When the USA could not look weaker, with Biden and Harris, and Trump appears to be self imploding, Putin will feel he has a green light to do just about anything he wants.

If Russia uses nukes against a non-nuclear Ukraine then more countries will rush towards NATO and all of them will develop their own nuclear forces, aiming all of them at Russia.

Meanwhile Russia will assume a permanent pariah state and will remain a pariah through the end of this century. Assuming they're allowed to exist that long, which I doubt.

In any case the threat you posted here makes clear that Russia must be destroyed.
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« Reply #3785 on: August 05, 2024, 10:49:25 am »
F-16s are not magic silver bullets, but they introduce new capabilities and the tactics for which those capabilities were designed. The result could be Ukrainian pilots blending both Russian-style tactics and Western tactics.

At the same time, Ukraine has, for a year or so, been attriting Russian SAM systems, both short and longer range. This has allowed missile and drone attacks on Russian facilities and logistics, and also lessens the threat environment in which Ukrainian air assets, including the newly arrived F-16s, operate.

No Russian leaders will be falling on their swords or hand grenades over the F-16s, but their arrival does strengthen Ukraine significantly.
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« Reply #3786 on: August 05, 2024, 12:12:25 pm »
More on the Morozovsk strike:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFuTrCsUuM
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3787 on: August 05, 2024, 12:33:13 pm »
F-16s are not magic silver bullets, but they introduce new capabilities and the tactics for which those capabilities were designed. The result could be Ukrainian pilots blending both Russian-style tactics and Western tactics.

At the same time, Ukraine has, for a year or so, been attriting Russian SAM systems, both short and longer range. This has allowed missile and drone attacks on Russian facilities and logistics, and also lessens the threat environment in which Ukrainian air assets, including the newly arrived F-16s, operate.

No Russian leaders will be falling on their swords or hand grenades over the F-16s, but their arrival does strengthen Ukraine significantly.

What should also be noted is that these F-16 fighters are 30-50 years old and are not at all the equivalent of the new F-16's in use by the USAF. I would hope they have updated avionics but that's a hope.

In short, you are right that they're no magic bullet but even at 50 years old they're still serious competition for the second rate crap that Russia sends into battle.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3788 on: August 05, 2024, 12:56:30 pm »
What should also be noted is that these F-16 fighters are 30-50 years old and are not at all the equivalent of the new F-16's in use by the USAF. I would hope they have updated avionics but that's a hope.

In short, you are right that they're no magic bullet but even at 50 years old they're still serious competition for the second rate crap that Russia sends into battle.

IIRC, they are, nominally, F-16As, but the Danes and Dutch(?) may have upgraded them. I would be mildly surprised if they still have 1970-design avionics, sensors, and weapons capabilities/limitations.
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« Reply #3789 on: August 05, 2024, 01:38:48 pm »
The F-16s, no matter their age, are also probably integrated into the AWACS command and control system.
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« Reply #3790 on: August 05, 2024, 06:37:22 pm »
https://www.euronews.com/2024/08/05/now-we-are-together-ukrainian-men-try-to-recover-from-russias-campaign-of-sexual-violence

‘Now we are together’: Ukrainian men try to heal from Russia’s campaign of sexual violence

Men scattered throughout Ukraine are helping one another recover from sexual trauma inflicted by Russian troops. These are some of their stories.

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Warning: This story discusses sexual violence.

Oleksiy Sivak has found comfort in conversation.

Before Russia went on a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the 40-year-old spent almost half of his life working on international merchant and passenger fleets as a sailor.

For 17 years, he ventured from his sea-sprayed city of Kherson to ensure ships were in good working order. His language became how the ocean moved.

“But the invasion put an end to my work and my career,” Sivak tells Euronews.

As Moscow invaded its neighbour, hoping to blitz the country, Russian tanks and soldiers stormed the capital of the eponymous Ukrainian region in February 2022 and occupied the hub for six months.

Once in control, they set up their own facilities in hopes of creating a Donbas-style puppet Kherson People’s Republic — including a detention site meant to help quell any semblance of a rebellion.

Sivak says he was illegally detained and tortured by Russian servicemen for two of those six months. “I was subjected to physical and psychological torture, including sexual torture,” he says. Kyiv took back the city in November 2022, and Sivak was freed.

“During the liberation of Kherson our invaders fled the city,” Sivak recalls. “I was luckier than the others, as there was not enough room for me in the car in which the prisoners were transported (elsewhere) by Russians and I was simply released, without documents, but still I was able to return home.”

This was just the beginning of Sivak’s journey. “Everything started in captivity,” he says.

UN: More than half of Ukrainian sexual violence victims are male
Overwhelming evidence suggests Russia has weaponised sexual violence — such as rape, genital mutilation, forced stripping and other means of torture — against men and boys in Ukraine over the past two years. Under international law, these constitute war crimes.

The latest United Nations Security Council report into conflict-related sexual violence states the investigatory body has documented 263 cases perpetrated by Russian armed forces, law enforcement authorities and penitentiary services against civilians and prisoners of war in Ukraine since the 2022 full-scale invasion. Over half of these victims are male (163); 83 are female. 10 are underage girls, and two are boys.

An earlier report by non-governmental organisation Human Rights Watch corroborates Russia has been using sexual violence against men, stating that Moscow authorities built dedicated detention facilities — used for confinement, interrogations, execution and torture — in regions such as Kherson.

A follow-up report by the UN's human rights office, OHCHR — its main investigating body — found these crimes were usually accompanied by severe beatings, strangling, suffocating, slashing, shooting next to the head of the victim and wilful killing.

Most of these OHCHR reports include harrowing stories. In one, a Ukrainian prisoner alleged a Russian official attempted to rape him with a PVC pipe during an interrogation. Another said Russian officials forced him to undress, applied electric shock to his testicles, and threatened to rape him with a police baton.

Over the months Sivak was imprisoned and tortured, he says the only thing that got him through the days was talking to his cellmates. They became each other’s psychologists and confidantes. “Their jokes, sympathy, kind words, and even a look was our only lifeline,” he says.

'Making the present tolerable and future happy'
Sivak estimates there are “thousands” of Ukrainian men living with the scars of Russian-inflicted sexual violence.

Meanwhile, others are still being seized in territories under Moscow's control: another 37,000 Ukrainians, including civilian adults and children, remain unaccounted for and are likely held in Russian prisons, according to the Ukrainian ombudsman’s office.

This is why roughly a year ago, he established Alumni: an organisation offering men peer-to-peer mental health support, including regular face-to-face meetups, workshops, referrals and — soon — online services. The aim is to be there for other survivors and provide a space for conversation.

But Sivak says it is important to note that Alumni does not purport to “treat” people. “We help people find a new path in their lives. Not by erasing what happened to them, but by accepting and taking into account this experience,” he says.

Alumni is meant to be a place for survivors to acknowledge what happened and learn how to live with it, Sivak explains — a massive challenge that will define the rest of their lives.

“We are doing all this for ourselves, our brothers, and especially for those who are being held captive and tortured right now,” Sivak says.

“I cannot change the past, but each of us strives to do our best to make the present tolerable and the future happy for all those who have been and are being tortured.”

Survivors are often left with manifold injuries after this type of trauma, such as physical illness and mental disorders, like post-traumatic stress disorder.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres said in June the impact of conflict-related sexual violence is lasting and harmful and “destroys the social fabric of communities”.

An attendee who became a peer
Oleksandr Reshetov has lived in Kherson his whole life — and loves it. The 34-year-old tells Euronews he met his first love and all of his best friends in the Ukrainian “hero city”.

Before the war, he found joy in owning a furniture store, collecting antiques and arranging flowers for his family. “This city means so much to me,” he says.

Since Russia’s war of aggression, his life has become almost unrecognisable. “My life after the war has changed so much,” he says. “The war made me appreciate what I have.”

Russian armed forces inflicted sexual violence on Reshetov. Following the trauma, he drank alcohol to numb the pain.

He attended an Alumni retreat in the city of Mykolaiv to try and break the cycle, and says he felt immediately supported. “I was treated not as a victim, but as a best friend. I felt among my own,” Reshetov says.

“Although everyone was different, we had only one thing in common: we expressed ourselves to each other.”

As a result of joining the Alumni network, Reshetov cut back on his drinking and spent more time with his family. Then, he became an Alumni mentor, wanting to help others after successfully working on himself.

“I realised that I was not the only one and there are many guys who went through the same thing as me, including the CRSV, and now we are together,” he says.

Violence employed to ‘emasculate a population’
Charu Hogg is the founder and director of All Survivors Project — a body providing research on men and boys who survived sexual violence during conflict or displacement.

Since the organisation was founded in 2016, Hogg and her team of researchers have spoken to survivors from Afghanistan and Colombia to the Central African Republic. But from what Hogg has seen being reported, “Ukraine is the only context in the world that has such high levels of documentation of abuse,” she tells Euronews.

The reason her organisation focuses solely on male survivors — and not women, which represent 95% of UN-documented survivors of these crimes — is because they are under-researched.

“We are the only organisation, the only global organisation, that works on sexual violence against men and boys in the fields of access to help justice and prevention,” she says.

All Survivors Project recently started working with Alumni to begin to understand the barriers for male victims accessing health care. Over the next year, Hogg says the organisation will interview Alumni members about their experiences to better understand the challenges they face while documenting cases and providing information to the national prosecution agency.

The impetus is to help the men and improve Ukraine’s official strategy in investigating these crimes.

Hogg, a former investigator for Human Rights Watch, is cognisant that state-sanctioned violence is harmful to individuals. It is also corrosive to the national spirit.

“For the Russian Federation to practice this with what seems like impunity appears to suggest that this is a way in which to coerce, to control, to demean, and to emasculate a population,” she says.

She is aware that interviewing these men will be difficult as Ukraine is a country at war, ravaged by strikes on its infrastructure. “This affects peoples’ capacity to communicate because you don't have Wi-Fi,” she says. Finding male survivors willing to speak about what happened to them is not easy either, as “these are issues that are very difficult to broach.”

The overall aim is holding Russia to account — something many international governmental bodies have been trying to do since the allegations first emerged. Two years ago, the International Criminal Court at The Hague issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Kremlin responded to these allegations, referring to them as “outrageous” and “unacceptable”. It has failed to provide proof to the contrary, however.

‘We did not stop talking’
Sivak says he was freed from Russian incarceration when Ukrainian soldiers took back his city.

For him, the international community plays a major role in combating conflict-related sexual violence by supporting Ukraine in its fight to defend itself, as well as levying sanctions. “To prevent such crimes, there must be appropriate punishment,” he says.

The international community can also invest in programs — such as the work championed by All Survivors Project — aiming to help survivors “rehabilitate, reintegrate and re-adapt to society,” he says.

Sivak is aware that outside of the war in Ukraine, he and his Alumni colleagues have their own battles ahead of them, combating family breakdown, social isolation and mental disorders resulting from this type of sexual trauma.

This is why Alumni continues to engage and to always talk with individuals living with the scars of this type of violence. Making them feel heard while among those who understand because they went through the same experience is the organisation’s root belief.

“In English, (Alumni) means a graduate or a former student without a diploma, but at the same time it sometimes means former prisoners,” he says.

“Once when meeting with a group of former cellmates just on the street, a conversation started, and someone called our meeting a reunion … When we were released, we did not stop talking.”
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3792 on: August 05, 2024, 10:55:03 pm »
Ukraine Had A Chance To Blow Up Russia’s Best Warplanes On The Tarmac. The White House Said No—And Now It’s Too Late.

Ukraine is still hitting Russian airfields, but only with less destructive drones.

David Axe  |  Aug 5, 2024  |  05:05pm EDT


For months, Ukrainian officials have been begging their foreign allies for permission to use the best donated weaponry—in particular, powerful ballistic missiles—to hit Russian warplanes that have been parking out in the open at airfields inside Russia within quick flying time of Ukrainian cities.

For months, those allies have demurred, citing the risk of escalation as Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds into its 29th month.

Clearly growing impatient, Ukrainian forces have stepped up their attacks on the most vulnerable Russian airfields—strictly deploying Ukrainian-made munitions. On Saturday, Ukrainian drones targeted Morozovsk air base in southern Russia 200 miles from the front line in eastern Ukraine.

According to the Ukrainian intelligence directorate, the drone raid destroyed a Russian air force Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber, damaged two additional Su-34s and burned down an ammunition warehouse.

The directorate published satellite imagery of the base depicting what it described as “extensive areas of scorched earth” resulting from the ammo cooking off in the aftermath of the attack.

This isn’t the first attack on Morozovsk, but it is one of the most destructive. It’s a bittersweet victory for the Ukrainians, however. Similar raids are getting harder to pull off  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/08/05/ukraine-had-a-chance-to-blow-up-russias-best-warplanes-on-the-tarmac-the-white-house-said-no-and-now-its-too-late/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3793 on: August 05, 2024, 11:00:46 pm »
This goes with @MeganC 's post:



‘No One to Talk To’: The Lingering Trauma of Russian Rape in Ukraine

Monika Pronczuk and Ada Petriczko  |  Published July 27, 2024  |  Updated July 29, 2024


After Daria fled from her Russian-occupied village to western Ukraine, she spent weeks restlessly wandering the streets. Whenever she grew tired of walking, she would sit on park benches and tell anyone who would listen — even perfect strangers — what the Russian soldiers did to her.

“I wanted to tell everyone, but there was no one to talk to,” recalled Daria, a 32-year-old illustrator. “I could not confide in my family members, and I did not know anyone in town. I had to somehow deal with it on my own.”

Daria said she was raped twice by a Russian soldier in March 2022 in Havronshchyna — a small village about 30 miles from Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital — where a range of alleged war crimes, including sexual violence, have been documented by Ukrainian authorities and international media.

For two years after the assault, Daria said, she wrestled with shame. She could not tell her father what happened, and she struggled to be intimate with her partner. She said in an interview that she was ready to tell her story, to erase the stigma of sexual assault and help herself and other victims heal.

Her plight resonates with many other Ukrainians. Behind the battlefields of Europe’s largest war in 80 years, the authorities and aid groups say, there are thousands of women, men and children who have been sexually assaulted by Russian soldiers and have been struggling to piece their lives back together.

Ukraine’s government, despite facing one of the toughest moments since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022 with almost nonexistent battlefield progress, has made significant efforts to document and prosecute sexual violence cases.

But victims and advocates say that it has failed to put in place an adequate support system for survivors, leaving them largely on their own to deal with the financial and psychological effects of their trauma.  .  .

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/world/europe/rape-ukraine-russia-soldiers.html?unlocked_article_code=1._E0.hbdB.lWI4OIiHoBGi&smid=url-share




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« Reply #3795 on: August 05, 2024, 11:06:03 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3796 on: August 06, 2024, 04:17:37 am »
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Meanwhile Russia will assume a permanent pariah state and will remain a pariah through the end of this century. Assuming they're allowed to exist that long, which I doubt.

In any case the threat you posted here makes clear that Russia must be destroyed.


The end of the century is 76 years away.  That is a long time, and many things can happen between now and then.

Russia must be destroyed?  Please!  You are talking about the one nation with the most nukes in the world today.  They have chemical and bio weapons I am sure way beyond anything you could imagine.

The USA will NEVER destroy Russia, unless we want to be destroyed too.  That is what mutual assured destruction is.  One country goes, they both go...completely, and the world with it.

Carl Sagan, who you may or may not know, thought that 10 nuclear devices going off simultaneously would result in nuclear winter.  Are you familiar with the concept of nuclear winter?

There is no destroying Russia without destroying the USA.  Welcome to COLD WAR 2!
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« Reply #3797 on: August 06, 2024, 11:47:46 am »

The end of the century is 76 years away.  That is a long time, and many things can happen between now and then.

Russia must be destroyed?  Please!  You are talking about the one nation with the most nukes in the world today.  They have chemical and bio weapons I am sure way beyond anything you could imagine.

The USA will NEVER destroy Russia, unless we want to be destroyed too.  That is what mutual assured destruction is.  One country goes, they both go...completely, and the world with it.

Carl Sagan, who you may or may not know, thought that 10 nuclear devices going off simultaneously would result in nuclear winter.  Are you familiar with the concept of nuclear winter?

There is no destroying Russia without destroying the USA.  Welcome to COLD WAR 2!

No, I'm not interested in giving generations unborn the daily threats of war from the gangster state that is Russia. At the very first opportunity those bastards should be eradicated.

Unless they choose peace. But they won't because they're a failed empire acting on delusions of grandeur.
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« Reply #3798 on: August 06, 2024, 12:05:37 pm »
Saw a 90min video last week (too big to post here), two Russians running down a road. They were being stalked by a drone from behind. One guy was about 10 meters ahead of his comrade. The drone was closing in.

The guy in front turns and shoots the soldier running behind him. The drone struck the fallen soldier. The other got away. War will make normal people insane, and it will make insane people think rationally.

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« Reply #3799 on: August 06, 2024, 01:40:01 pm »
Another Thousand-Cuts strike on the Russian oil industry:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzjyMrZMR2Y

Doing a little very mental math, 2000 Km is about 1240 miles.
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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.