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« Reply #3250 on: June 20, 2024, 12:24:59 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 20, 2024, 11:25:53 am
Surprised the Biden admin is allowing this.  A few more of these will precipitate a oil price spike, and not something Biden needs right now.

So far, Ukraine has been using drones to strike Russian oil production and storage facilities, not US-supplied ATACMS, etc.. So LIEden has tried to discourage this Ukrainian effort - for reasons that might include the effect on world oil supplies and prices - but cannot withhold the weapons Ukraine has been using in the effort.
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« Reply #3251 on: June 20, 2024, 10:50:45 pm »
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« Reply #3252 on: June 20, 2024, 10:52:53 pm »
I suspect that the pumps that are feeding this oil depot from the east are still running full force, similar to the Piper Alpha disaster in the 70s.
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« Reply #3253 on: June 20, 2024, 11:03:17 pm »
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« Reply #3254 on: June 20, 2024, 11:04:41 pm »
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« Reply #3255 on: June 20, 2024, 11:05:43 pm »
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« Reply #3256 on: June 20, 2024, 11:15:11 pm »
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« Reply #3257 on: June 20, 2024, 11:22:58 pm »
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« Reply #3258 on: June 20, 2024, 11:25:13 pm »
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« Reply #3259 on: June 20, 2024, 11:25:50 pm »
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« Reply #3260 on: June 20, 2024, 11:31:13 pm »
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« Reply #3261 on: June 20, 2024, 11:34:31 pm »
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« Reply #3262 on: June 20, 2024, 11:52:25 pm »
In Azov, for the third day they cannot extinguish the fire at the oil depot after the strike of Ukrainian drones

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In the Rostov region, for the third day, they cannot extinguish the fire at the oil depot of the Azovproduct plant, which was attacked by Ukrainian drones, writes the local edition of 161.ru.

According to him, over the past three days, 200 employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Department for the Prevention and Elimination of Emergencies took part in extinguishing the fire. At the moment, rescuers from different parts of the Rostov region are working on the spot.

Also, the laboratory of Rospotrebnadzor began to assess the state of the environment and several times a day in different parts of Azov conducts air sampling, the 161.ru notes. So far, according to the department, no excess of the maximum permissible concentrations of chemicals has been detected in the air.

In turn, the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the Rostov region warned that fakes are being spread on social networks about the collection of funds and things for firefighters involved in extinguishing the oil depot in Azov.

A fire at an oil depot broke out early in the morning on June 18 after an attack by Ukrainian drones. Before the fire, local residents heard at least five explosions. By the morning of the next day, employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations localized the fire that engulfed the tanks with oil products on an area of 3.2 thousand square meters, but by the evening its area increased to 6.3 thousand square meters.  .  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2024/06/20/v-azove-tretii-den-ne-mogut-potushit-pozhar-na-neftebaze-posle-udara-ukrainskih-dronov-a134524
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« Reply #3263 on: June 21, 2024, 12:02:08 am »
Workers of the Kalashnikov plant were forced to work 12 hours a day due to the failure of the defense order

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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / TASS

Employees of the Kalashnikov plant in Izhevsk were added another 4 hours to the work shift and forced to work six days a week due to non-fulfillment of the state defense order, employees of the enterprise told the Udmurtia Against Corruption telegram channel.

According to them, now they work 12 hours a day and rest only on Sunday. Overtime work also applies to Saturdays. The employees were not allowed to familiarize themselves with the decree that regulates such a regime.

"At the same time, the salary has not been added. Yes, there was a salary increase of 15-20% for the entire plant on June 2. But overtime is paid additionally," the interlocutors of Udmurtia Against Corruption noted.

Back in 2022, the government adopted Resolution No1365, which allows employees of the military-industrial complex (MIC), as well as enterprises working with the state defense order, to work overtime during hostilities. According to this resolution, employers do not have to ask for the consent of employees to overtime work, but must pay it twice.

The day before, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Anton Alikhanov, threatened to take away military factories from owners for disrupting the defense order. He stressed that the work of the defense industry on a national scale "has been transferred to the principles of strict project management."

At the same time, military factories in Russia do not have enough workers. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov estimated the shortage of personnel at 160 thousand people, despite the fact that in less than a year and a half, enterprises producing weapons for the Russian army have already attracted 520 thousand workers.  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2024/06/20/rabochih-zavoda-kalashnikov-zastavili-rabotat-po-12-chasov-v-den-iz-za-sriva-oboronzakaza-a134485
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3264 on: June 21, 2024, 01:01:06 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 20, 2024, 11:03:17 pm

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1803927529821966648

Apparently this attack hit a training base for SAM system operators rather than the air base.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9vd9hBXteo

I guess Ukraine wanted to emphasize Russia's need for better SAM system training and give Russia incentive to do it ... and do it in lower risk locations.
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« Reply #3265 on: June 21, 2024, 01:25:21 pm »
"Employees of the Kalashnikov plant in Izhevsk were added another 4 hours to the work shift and forced to work six days a week due to non-fulfillment of the state defense order, employees of the enterprise told the Udmurtia Against Corruption telegram channel."

I would not want to try firing the rifle that was made on the 11th hour of someone's sixth day in a row!

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« Reply #3266 on: June 21, 2024, 02:08:54 pm »
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The day before, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Anton Alikhanov, threatened to take away military factories from owners for disrupting the defense order. He stressed that the work of the defense industry on a national scale "has been transferred to the principles of strict project management."

This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".
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« Reply #3267 on: June 21, 2024, 03:52:35 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 21, 2024, 01:25:21 pm
"Employees of the Kalashnikov plant in Izhevsk were added another 4 hours to the work shift and forced to work six days a week due to non-fulfillment of the state defense order, employees of the enterprise told the Udmurtia Against Corruption telegram channel."

I would not want to try firing the rifle that was made on the 11th hour of someone's sixth day in a row!

The design supposedly is forgiving of parts tolerances and very tolerant of dirty environments, so it may also have some tolerance for poor workmanship. But I would not want to risk my life on pushing design tolerances.

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This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".

German industrialists under Hitler lived in golden cages and sang what Hitler told them to sing. Russian industrialists probably operate under similar constraints, for a boss with a penchant for defenestrating people who cross him.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3268 on: June 21, 2024, 07:45:57 pm »
Russia Downs Own Ka-29 Helicopter Over Black Sea Resort Town: Reports

Isabel van Brugen  |  Jun 21, 2024  |  5:53 AM EDT

Russia accidentally downed its own Ka-29 helicopter with its air defense systems over Anapa, a town in Russia's Krasnodar Krai on the northern coast of the Black Sea, according to local reports.

"In Anapa, our own air defense shot down our own helicopter," Egor Guzenko, a Russian soldier who runs a Telegram channel under the call sign "Thirteenth," wrote on Friday.

Guzenko said the Kamov Ka-29 helicopter was struck by one of Russia's Pantsir missile systems, adding that it could have happened "due to a malfunction." Newsweek has yet to verify this and has contacted Russia's Defense Ministry for comment by email.

"Four people died," Guzenko added. "Eternal memory to our soldiers."

There have been numerous cases throughout the war where Russia's air defenses fired at its own aircraft. More than a fifth of Russia's known manned aircraft and helicopter losses since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the war in Ukraine in February 2022 have been self-inflicted, according to data compiled and analyzed by Newsweek in late August 2023.  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ka-29-helicopter-crash-anapa-black-sea-1915686
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« Reply #3269 on: June 21, 2024, 08:30:32 pm »
All these soldiers fed into the meat grinder needlessly... there's gonna be some Russian widows who are extra lonely. Were I a single man... :pondering:
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« Reply #3270 on: June 21, 2024, 08:49:41 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 21, 2024, 01:25:21 pm

"Employees of the Kalashnikov plant in Izhevsk were added another 4 hours to the work shift and forced to work six days a week due to non-fulfillment of the state defense order, employees of the enterprise told the Udmurtia Against Corruption telegram channel."

I would not want to try firing the rifle that was made on the 11th hour of someone's sixth day in a row!
This is true. Nazis tried to force slave labor prisoners, mostly Jews, into military manufacturing of ordnance and shipbuilding for the war effort. So easy. So easy to leave out a rivet or two in constructing a u-boat. So easy to make munitions just slightly more prone to detonation. Not to mention that these military essentials were being manufactured by slave labor with beaten, raped, and starving, persons who wanted nothing more than for Germans to die.

Over time, even the stupid Nazis realized this was not a good idea. Russia can use all the 'forced labor' they want, when it comes to the military industry, forced labor does not work.
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« Reply #3271 on: June 21, 2024, 09:54:15 pm »
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« Reply #3272 on: June 21, 2024, 09:57:22 pm »
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« Reply #3273 on: June 21, 2024, 09:58:32 pm »
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« Reply #3274 on: June 21, 2024, 10:00:10 pm »
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« Reply #3275 on: June 21, 2024, 10:03:27 pm »
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« Reply #3276 on: June 21, 2024, 10:48:49 pm »
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« Reply #3277 on: June 21, 2024, 10:52:18 pm »
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« Reply #3278 on: June 21, 2024, 10:56:04 pm »
Shahed launch site, three oil refineries attacked at night by Ukraine's SBU and Armed Forces drones

Ulyana Krychkowska  |  JUNE 21, 12:10

On June 21, the Security Service of Ukraine conducted two successful special operations: together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they struck the Shahed launch site and three oil refineries in Russia's Krasnodar Krai, an informed interlocutor told LIGA.net.

The source said that initially, as part of joint implementation with the missile forces and the Naval Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the training ground of the 167th training center in Yeysk, from where the Russians launch Shahed drones, was struck.

A warehouse of Iranian drones is located there and their operators live in barracks – a series of explosions followed by detonation were recorded at the test site, he noted.

After that, SBU drones together with the forces of unmanned systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces hit three refineries: Afipsky, Ilsky, Krasnodar, the source says, adding that these are key factories in the southern district of Russia, which, in particular, produce fuel oil for ships of the Black Sea Fleet.  .  .  .

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/shahed-launch-site-3-oil-refineries-attacked-at-night-by-ukraines-sbu-and-armed-forces-drones
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« Reply #3279 on: June 22, 2024, 11:20:43 am »
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« Reply #3280 on: June 22, 2024, 11:22:18 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 21, 2024, 02:08:54 pm
This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".


The sad part is that a lot of conservatives and 'patriots' believe it.
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« Reply #3281 on: June 22, 2024, 11:26:10 am »
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« Reply #3282 on: June 22, 2024, 11:40:29 am »
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« Reply #3283 on: June 22, 2024, 11:56:42 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 21, 2024, 07:45:57 pm
Russia Downs Own Ka-29 Helicopter Over Black Sea Resort Town: Reports
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There have been numerous cases throughout the war where Russia's air defenses fired at its own aircraft. More than a fifth of Russia's known manned aircraft and helicopter losses since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the war in Ukraine in February 2022 have been self-inflicted, according to data compiled and analyzed by Newsweek in late August 2023.  .  .  .
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Discerning friend from foe in an environment full of low-altitude supersonic rockets and planes and etc. is not easy. Russian SAM systems and operators are doing poorly, in blue-on-blue shootdowns and Ukrainian assets not engaged. Hopefully the US military is paying attention and learning so as to make US SAM systems and operators less error prone.
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« Reply #3284 on: June 22, 2024, 02:49:27 pm »
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« Reply #3285 on: June 22, 2024, 02:50:27 pm »
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« Reply #3286 on: June 22, 2024, 02:53:52 pm »
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« Reply #3287 on: June 22, 2024, 02:57:32 pm »
This is what you see on Russian television:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpDch670UI
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« Reply #3288 on: June 22, 2024, 03:45:41 pm »
I do not understand how the average Russian on the street would not look at a map and see the relatively small breadth of the nation of Ukraine and the far greater distance to the Atlantic Ocean. I doubt that silliness is playing in Anatevka.
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« Reply #3289 on: June 22, 2024, 04:33:25 pm »
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I do not understand how the average Russian on the street would not look at a map and see the relatively small breadth of the nation of Ukraine and the far greater distance to the Atlantic Ocean. I doubt that silliness is playing in Anatevka.

It's just a slight modification of, "From the River to the Sea."
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« Reply #3290 on: June 22, 2024, 04:40:48 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 22, 2024, 02:57:32 pm
This is what you see on Russian television:

I frequently watch Russian Media Monitor on You Tube. They feature all sorts of Russians saying things that Russia's supporters object to all the time. Can't even say how many times the shrill trolls on TOS bitched and whined about these videos as if they were not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t57QmDvrLp4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZdKS0xByrQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnPEpMdRrg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4y4IEhpVCo
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« Reply #3291 on: June 22, 2024, 05:35:49 pm »
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This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".

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« Reply #3292 on: June 22, 2024, 06:07:31 pm »
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Another sign of victory that is about to happen (Sarcasm)
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« Reply #3293 on: June 22, 2024, 07:54:19 pm »
I think Putin expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Kyiv.
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« Reply #3294 on: June 22, 2024, 08:17:31 pm »
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I think Putin expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Kyiv.

I think he expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Warsaw.
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« Reply #3295 on: June 22, 2024, 11:09:20 pm »
I cannot imagine what these soldiers have been told for their humanity to be lowered to this point.  It's like they were pre-programmed or prepared to do this.  Maybe they have been brainwashed to believe that they will be tortured if captured by Ukrainians. 

Warning, this video shows someone being executed.





from r/CombatFootage

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1dlzoiu/russian_wounded_by_fpv_is_killed_by_his_fellow/
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« Reply #3296 on: June 22, 2024, 11:12:16 pm »
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« Reply #3297 on: June 22, 2024, 11:14:09 pm »
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« Reply #3298 on: June 22, 2024, 11:22:51 pm »
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« Reply #3299 on: June 22, 2024, 11:36:02 pm »
This is surprising.  Russia and Serbia are typically on the same side.


Ukraine received €800 million worth of ammunition from Serbia through third parties

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Serbia supplied Western countries with ammunition, some of which was then re-exported to Ukraine. Thus, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received shells worth €800 million, writes the Financial Times.

Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić called this amount "generally accurate." According to him, we are talking about an indicator for two to three years. He stressed that the sale of ammunition is a business necessary for the "economic revival" of Serbia, and such supplies do not mean that he takes sides in the conflict.

"Yes, we export our ammunition. We cannot supply them to Ukraine or Russia, but we have had many contracts with the Americans, Spaniards, Czechs and others. How they ultimately deal with this is their business," Vučić said.

The Serbian president added that even if he knows where the shells hit, it does not concern him. "My job is to ensure that we handle our ammunition legally, that we sell it. I have to take care of my people, and that's all," Vučić stressed.

According to him, Serbia has received a "great opportunity" to do business by exporting ammunition, since its weapons are cheaper than Western ones. Vučić added that the total volume of such supplies will only increase.

This was confirmed by Serbian Finance Minister Sinisa Mali. The defense industry, which employs 20,000 people in a country of 7 million people, is expanding rapidly, he said. "I see it as a business cluster," Mali said, adding that in terms of arms production, Serbia has not yet reached the level of more developed countries, but now is "the time" to catch up.

According to diplomats and analysts interviewed by the publication, Serbia's participation in the supply of ammunition to Ukraine is so veiled that official data do not reflect this. The Kiel Institute for the World Economy, which monitors support for Kyiv, said that they did not directly monitor Belgrade's activities and did not have evidence of its "systematic contribution" to the defense of Ukraine.  .  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2024/06/22/ukraina-poluchila-boepripasi-izserbii-na800mln-cherez-tretih-lits-a134722
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