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« Reply #2850 on: May 20, 2024, 10:15:42 pm »
When A 70-Year-Old Russian BTR-50 Attacks Ukrainian Troops, It’s Bad News For The Whole Russian War Effort

David Axe  |  May 20, 2024  |  02:42pm EDT



The thinly-protected, 1950s-vintage BTR-50 might not be the worst vehicle the Russian army has sent in a direct assault on Ukrainian positions, but it’s probably the oldest.

And while it’s safer for Russian troops to ride in a 70-year-old BTR-50 with its 10-millimeter-thick armor than to ride in, say, a brand-new Chinese golf cart, it’s still an ominous sign for Russia that more BTR-50s are appearing on the battlefields of eastern Ukraine as Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds toward its 28th month.

“Without mechanized units fully equipped with proper combat vehicles like tanks, achieving swift and decisive penetration of defenses will be very challenging,” Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight explained. “This limitation is likely to result in slower and more limited advances, hampering the overall progress of Russian forces.”

The BTR-50 is a 15-ton, diesel-fueled armored tractor with two crew and space for up to 20 passengers. It usually packs a heavy machine gun.

The Soviet Union developed the BTR-50 in the early 1950s. It entered service in 1954 and, for the next 12 years, was the Soviet army’s main fighting vehicle.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/20/when-a-70-year-old-russian-btr-50-attacks-ukrainian-troops-its-bad-news-for-the-whole-russian-war-effort/?sh=6e0950ee243e
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« Reply #2851 on: May 21, 2024, 11:12:53 am »
It's an IFV, but by way of contrast, a Japanese WW2-vintage Type 95 light tank had 12 mm armor, basically thick enough to protect against .30 caliber machine guns and infantry rifle fire. 10 mm of armor might be similarly protective, but against a .50 or 12.7 mm caliber machine gun possibly not.
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« Reply #2852 on: May 21, 2024, 08:55:58 pm »
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« Reply #2853 on: May 21, 2024, 09:01:08 pm »
"Liberators" and "protectors", as one poster here put it:



https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1792912587207664000
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« Reply #2854 on: May 21, 2024, 09:02:24 pm »
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« Reply #2855 on: May 21, 2024, 09:07:08 pm »
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« Reply #2856 on: May 21, 2024, 09:12:25 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2857 on: May 21, 2024, 09:13:55 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 21, 2024, 09:01:08 pm
"Liberators" and "protectors", as one poster here put it:



https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1792912587207664000
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« Reply #2858 on: May 21, 2024, 09:19:49 pm »
Another Karakurt-class corvette lost in Sevastopol

Correction:  This is the same corvette reported two days ago.  "Cyclone" and 'Tsiklon' are the same.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cxac0j/the_russian_black_sea_fleet_lost_a_warship_again/
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« Reply #2859 on: May 21, 2024, 09:25:37 pm »
Russia's Black Sea Fleet 'Likely' Lost Its Last Missile Carrier in Crimea

Isabel van Brugen  |  May 21, 2024 at 1:06 PM EDT

Russia's Black Sea Fleet likely lost its last missile carrier in occupied Crimea, according to Dmytro Pletenchuk, a spokesperson for Ukraine's navy.

A Ukrainian strike Sunday on the bay of Sevastopol in Crimea "likely" seriously damaged or sunk both the Russian minesweeper Kovrovets and the corvette Cyclone, or Tsiklon, Pletenchuk told Radio Svoboda, the Russian service of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty on Monday.

The Karakurt-class corvette Tsiklon joined the Black Sea Fleet in July 2023. Pletenchuk said at the time that it failed routine tests twice—in 2021 and 2022—and that Moscow put it into operation "because they need a picture that they have launched something, revived something, replenished their fleet."  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-black-sea-fleet-crimea-missile-carrier-1903097
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2860 on: May 21, 2024, 09:30:15 pm »
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« Reply #2861 on: May 21, 2024, 10:22:49 pm »
Ukrainian Missiles Are Blowing Up The Black Sea Fleet’s New Missile Corvettes Faster Than Russia Can Build Them

A Ukrainian ATACMS raid on Sunday reportedly struck two Russian ships in Sevastopol   (The second ship was a minesweeper)

David Axe  |  May 21, 2024  |  06:05pm EDT

The Russian navy missile corvette Tsyklon entered service with the Black Sea Fleet in July 2023, three years after launching at Zalyv Shipbuilding Yard in Russian-occupied Crimea.

Ten months later, on Sunday, a Ukrainian strike sank the 220-foot Karakurt-class vessel in Sevastopol, in Crimea, 150 miles from the front line of Russia’s 27-month wider war on Ukraine. Satellite imagery from Monday confirmed that Tsyklon is resting on the seafloor.

Russian navy officials should be very worried about the future of the Black Sea Fleet. Ukraine is taking out the fleet’s warships faster than Russia can build or reinforce them with ships from other regional fleets.

The Black Sea Fleet is getting seven of the cruise-missile-armed Karakurts. Tsyklon was the first to commission into front-line service. Another Karakurt, the incomplete Askold, was damaged in a November Ukrainian missile raid on a shipyard in Kerch in Crimea.

Since Russia widened its war on Ukraine in February 2022, Ukrainian forces have steadily degraded the Black Sea Fleet, sinking around 15 of its pre-war force of around three dozen large warships—and damaging several others.

As long as Turkey blocks warships from passing through the Bosporus Strait connecting the Mediterranean Sea to the Black Sea, the only way for the Russians to reinforce the shrinking Black Sea Fleet is to transfer smaller vessels to the Black Sea by river—or to build them in Black Sea shipyards.

It’s not for no reason that, in April, Ukrainian commandos sabotaged the Russian missile corvette Serpukhov in Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea. The Buyan-class corvette was one of the few Russian warships small enough to travel to the Black Sea via canals, the Volga River, the Don River and then the Sea of Azov.

In addition to the damaged Askold and the wrecked Tsyklon, five more Karakurts are under construction at shipyards in Crimea or on the Volga River, which connects to the Black Sea by way of the Don River.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/21/ukrainian-missiles-are-blowing-up-the-black-sea-fleets-new-missile-corvettes-faster-than-russia-can-build-them
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« Reply #2862 on: May 21, 2024, 10:28:16 pm »
Putin’s poorly prepared assault on Kharkiv has achieved nothing but record Russian casualties

Today is not that day

DAVID AXE  •  21 May 2024  •  12:39pm

Everyone expected Russia to launch a new offensive in Ukraine on May 9. That’s because May 9 is Victory Day in Russia – the day the country celebrates the Soviet Union’s defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II.

It’s a symbolic day for a war of choice that’s less about territory or resources than it is about Russian strongman Vladimir Putin’s conception of himself as a new Russian emperor lording over a thriving Russian empire.

But Putin’s new Russian empire is a farce, albeit a nightmarishly bloody one. And his Victory Day offensive is a farce, too. Less than two weeks after the first Russian platoons marched across Ukraine’s northern border with Russia, just north of Kharkiv, the Russian operation has ground to a halt after just a few miles.

Even worse for the nearly 500,000-person Russian army of occupation in Russia, the northern offensive has overextended Russian logistics and armor support and forced unprotected infantry to attack on foot. The Russian casualty rate was high before Victory Day. Now it’s catastrophically high as Ukrainian mechanized brigades reinforce the northern front.

It’s even possible the Russians suffered their bloodiest day of the 27-month wider war as the northern offensive culminated. There were a record 1,740 Russian casualties on May 12, according to the Ukrainian defence ministry. That’s hundreds more daily casualties than the Russians suffered in previous weeks.

No one outside of the Kremlin knows what the offensive’s actual military objectives were supposed to be. But in strictly military terms, the offensive almost certainly wasn’t worth it. Not only did the Russians fail to gain control of any important terrain, they also squandered offensive firepower that might have made more of a difference elsewhere along the 700-mile front line.  .  .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/21/ukraine-war-russia-putin-kharkiv-attack-failure-brigades/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2863 on: May 22, 2024, 12:52:43 pm »
The Black Sea fleet may have lost (or lost the use of) its last surface vessel missile carrier, but I think there are still several missile-carrying submarines (Kilo class?) in the fleet not permanently submerged.
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« Reply #2864 on: May 22, 2024, 01:27:17 pm »
A Ukrainian commander had Russian troops in his sights but couldn't attack. He says a US rule is to blame.

Thibault Spirlet  •  6h

A Ukrainian commander operating near the Russian border described how his unit watched as Russia amassed a huge force but had to wait for the troops to cross the border to hit them.

"There were a lot of Russians gathering, and we could have destroyed them on the way in, but we don't have many ATACMS, and we have a ban on using them over there," he told The Times of London.

Drago, a special forces commander with Ukraine's Kraken detachment, was redeployed, along with his unit and other special forces troops, in April from the eastern Donbas region to Kharkiv to strengthen Ukraine's forces there, per the Times.

But instead of hitting the Russians, he and his unit were forced to watch as the troops gathered on their side of the border, according to the outlet.

"We had to wait for them to cross," he said, referring to a US policy that bans Ukrainian forces from using US-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-ukrainian-commander-had-russian-troops-in-his-sights-but-couldn-t-attack-he-says-a-us-rule-is-to-blame/ar-BB1mQbnU



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« Reply #2865 on: May 22, 2024, 05:11:00 pm »
The purpose of this DC-imposed rule for use is to avoid looking like US weapons are being used to assault/invade Russia. Russian orcs are using this rule to stage men and equipment in what amounts to a US-created sanctuary.

What are the Las Vegas odd that had this Ukrainian commander gone ahead and taken out the staged orcs and their equipment, some US Congress critter - perhaps Rand Paul - would have demanded an investigation and the canning of any commander who ordered it?
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« Reply #2866 on: May 22, 2024, 09:44:03 pm »
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« Reply #2867 on: May 22, 2024, 09:46:09 pm »
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« Reply #2868 on: May 22, 2024, 09:47:38 pm »
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« Reply #2869 on: May 22, 2024, 09:48:43 pm »
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« Reply #2870 on: May 22, 2024, 09:50:20 pm »
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« Reply #2871 on: May 22, 2024, 09:51:19 pm »
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« Reply #2872 on: May 22, 2024, 09:57:59 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 22, 2024, 05:11:00 pm
The purpose of this DC-imposed rule for use is to avoid looking like US weapons are being used to assault/invade Russia. Russian orcs are using this rule to stage men and equipment in what amounts to a US-created sanctuary.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cy9xgw/us_congressman_mccaul_demonstrates_why_ukraine/


Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 22, 2024, 05:11:00 pm
What are the Las Vegas odd that had this Ukrainian commander gone ahead and taken out the staged orcs and their equipment, some US Congress critter - perhaps Rand Paul - would have demanded an investigation and the canning of any commander who ordered it?

You won't hear that complaint from Rand Paul.  He isn't the micromanager type.  He's opposed to aid in general - not in what they do with it.
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« Reply #2873 on: May 22, 2024, 10:30:40 pm »
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« Reply #2874 on: May 22, 2024, 10:39:16 pm »
How Could A Ukrainian Drone Weighing Just A Few Pounds Blow Up A 46-Ton Russian Tank? The Warhead Is The Answer

David Axe  |  May 22, 2024  |  08:00am EDT

Ukrainian workshops build more than 100,000 explosive first-person-view drones every month for the Ukrainian military. That’s a lot of drones. But each drone weighs just a few pounds and typically carries a single grenade weighing just a pound or so.

So while 100,000 drones represent a lot of firepower, it’s not very heavy firepower. FPV drones are extremely dangerous to exposed infantry, but armored vehicles can usually shrug off multiple strikes by FPVs—and keep fighting.

That appears to be changing, however. It seems Ukrainian drone crews have found some way to massively boost the explosive potential of a single FPV. Consider the Russian T-80 tank that rolled toward Ukrainian lines in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk Oblast recently.

As a surveillance drone from the Ukrainian army’s 47th Mechanized Brigade observed from high overhead, an FPV drone zipped past the 46-ton, three-person T-80—which sported blocks of add-on reactive armor as well as an anti-drone screen—and then turned around.

The quadcopter FPV barreled toward the T-80. Normally, an FPV strike on a tank would result in minor damage. This time, however, the T-80 exploded in a massive fireball that separated the turret from the hull and incinerated the crew.

Did the FPV crew get lucky? Or was some new technology at work? Trent Telenko, a former quality auditor with the U.S. Defense Contract Management Agency, suspected the latter. “I am beginning to wonder if Ukrainian FPV builders have stolen [an idea] from the Swedish RBS-56,” Telenko wrote.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/22/how-could-a-ukrainian-drone-weighing-just-a-few-pounds-blow-up-a-46-ton-russian-tank-the-warhead-is-the-answer/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2875 on: May 23, 2024, 05:43:34 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 22, 2024, 12:52:43 pm
The Black Sea fleet may have lost (or lost the use of) its last surface vessel missile carrier, but I think there are still several missile-carrying submarines (Kilo class?) in the fleet not permanently submerged.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2876 on: May 23, 2024, 08:44:44 am »
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After thwarting a peace deal in Ukraine and thereby condemning tens of thousands of young men to die in a ditch, Boris Johnson has welcomed fighters from the hardcore neo-Nazi Azov Battalion to the UK parliament.
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« Reply #2877 on: May 23, 2024, 08:57:18 am »
There was never any "peace deal" in April 2022.  That's just a Kremlin-propagated lie.  Putin was demanding surrender instead.
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« Reply #2878 on: May 23, 2024, 11:30:33 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 23, 2024, 05:43:34 am
Aquatic whack a mole!

Not really. Russia cannot reinforce its Black Sea Fleet with combatant ships, due to a treaty with Turkey. So while cargo ships can leave or enter the Black Sea, Baltic Sea Fleet combatant ships cannot. Ukrainian whacking has steadily diminished the number and capabilities of the orcs' "moles".
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« Reply #2879 on: May 23, 2024, 11:38:15 am »
1. Do I have to point out that the symbol on the banner is not and does not resemble a swastika, whether Nazi, Hindu, Native American, Buddhist, Jain, or ... .

2. Do I have to point out that a battalion is only around 500 or 600 men? Ever heard of the fallacy of composition?

3. I know it's weird, but the C in C honoring a group that has fought well against invaders is not that unusual. E.G., ever heard of a Presidential Unit Citation?
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« Reply #2880 on: May 23, 2024, 02:48:01 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on May 23, 2024, 08:44:44 am
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After thwarting a peace deal in Ukraine and thereby condemning tens of thousands of young men to die in a ditch, Boris Johnson has welcomed fighters from the hardcore neo-Nazi Azov Battalion to the UK parliament.
8:28 AM · May 23, 2024

The Azov Battalion ceased to exist in Nov 2014.  It's been almost ten years now.
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« Reply #2881 on: May 23, 2024, 02:50:45 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on May 23, 2024, 08:57:18 am
There was never any "peace deal" in April 2022.  That's just a Kremlin-propagated lie.  Putin was demanding surrender instead.

Yep.  This war can end any time Russia chooses.  All they have to do is get the hell out of Ukraine.
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« Reply #2882 on: May 23, 2024, 02:58:56 pm »
Again:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,468874.msg2643817.html#msg2643817


Factbox-Last Defenders of Mariupol: What Is Ukraine's Azov Regiment?

May 17, 2022, at 5:36 a.m.

(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin looks poised to take full control of Ukraine's southeastern port city of Mariupol after the apparent surrender of the last Ukrainian forces holed up at a vast steel works.

At the core of that last stand has been the Azov Regiment whose fighters are lionised as heroes in Ukraine, but reviled by Putin's Kremlin as a band of Russia-hating neo-Nazis.

AZOV'S ORIGINS

The Azov Regiment began as one of many militias of volunteer fighters who banded together to fight pro-Russian separatists backed by Moscow who carved out two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine in 2014 after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula.

Mariupol is the spiritual home of the Azov Regiment which it helped Ukraine recapture from pro-Russian fighters in 2014 and where it had a permanent base until the 2022 invasion.

The militia emerged from Andriy Biletskiy's Patriot of Ukraine organisation that critics say championed white nationalist, anti-immigrant extreme-right ideas.

Its logo resembles a black "wolfsangel", a symbol that was used by some Nazi units and is seen by critics as neo-Nazi. The Azov say the logo represents the letters N and I of "national idea" and deny it is neo-Nazi.

Patriot of Ukraine later renamed itself the National Corps and, despite allying with other nationalist parties, failed to win election in 2019. The U.S. State Department labelled the National Corps a "nationalist hate group" in 2018.

Reporting Radicalism, a Freedom House-backed group investigating political extremism in Ukraine, says Biletskiy has written several openly racist texts. Biletskiy denies holding racist or neo-Nazi views and says he believes in values-based nationalism.

The Stanford Center for International Security and Cooperation describes the group as "an extreme-right nationalist paramilitary organisation based in Ukraine".

NATIONAL GUARD

In 2014, the Azov militia was folded into Ukraine's National Guard - a military wing of the interior ministry. Kyiv says it has been reformed away from its radical nationalist origins and that it has nothing to do with politics.

"They are the official army of our state. Anyone who wanted to be involved in politics - they left and are now in politics. Those who decided to serve in the Armed Forces became part of the Armed Forces," President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in an interview with Greek channel ERT on May 1.

In a statement to CNN last month, Azov said it "appreciates and respects Andriy Biletskiy as the regiment's founder and first commander, but we have nothing to do with his political activities and the National Corps party".

The statement said that Azov's "motivation has always angered Russia. Therefore, disinformation attacks on the Azov Regiment have not stopped since 2014".

It denies allegations of fascism, Nazism and racism and says that Ukrainians from various backgrounds including Greeks, Jews, Crimean Tatars, and Russians serve in Azov.

The regiment's current and fourth commander is Denys Prokopenko, who has been dubbed a Hero of Ukraine by Zelenskiy, who is Jewish.  .  .  .

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-05-17/factbox-last-defenders-of-mariupol-what-is-ukraines-azov-regiment



Since this was last posted, the Regiment has been upgraded to Brigade status.
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« Reply #2883 on: May 23, 2024, 03:33:35 pm »
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Russia returns several Ukrainian kids in a Qatar-brokered deal

Putin tries to put a humanitarian face on the forcible transfer and Russification of Ukrainian children, while Qatar is happy to insert itself as a mediator in yet another conflict, @CliffordDMay
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« Reply #2884 on: May 23, 2024, 05:45:52 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 23, 2024, 11:30:33 am
Not really. Russia cannot reinforce its Black Sea Fleet with combatant ships, due to a treaty with Turkey. So while cargo ships can leave or enter the Black Sea, Baltic Sea Fleet combatant ships cannot. Ukrainian whacking has steadily diminished the number and capabilities of the orcs' "moles".
I was referring to any surviving Russian subs in the Black sea...hit them when they pop up.
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« Reply #2885 on: May 23, 2024, 05:53:06 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 23, 2024, 05:45:52 pm
I was referring to any surviving Russian subs in the Black sea...hit them when they pop up.

My misunderstanding. Lo siento.

I think one of the strikes on the Sevastopol naval base seriously damaged a Kilo-class sub. It's being repaired, apparently, but it won't be a Bondo and fresh paint fix.
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« Reply #2886 on: May 23, 2024, 05:57:51 pm »
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My misunderstanding. Lo siento.

I think one of the strikes on the Sevastopol naval base seriously damaged a Kilo-class sub. It's being repaired, apparently, but it won't be a Bondo and fresh paint fix.
Yes it did, and that won't buff out.
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« Reply #2887 on: May 23, 2024, 07:07:39 pm »
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After thwarting a peace deal in Ukraine and thereby condemning tens of thousands of young men to die in a ditch, Boris Johnson has welcomed fighters from the hardcore neo-Nazi Azov Battalion to the UK parliament.
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« Reply #2888 on: May 23, 2024, 07:12:00 pm »
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1. Do I have to point out that the symbol on the banner is not and does not resemble a swastika, whether Nazi, Hindu, Native American, Buddhist, Jain, or ... .

2. Do I have to point out that a battalion is only around 500 or 600 men? Ever heard of the fallacy of composition?

3. I know it's weird, but the C in C honoring a groups that has fought well against invaders is not that unusual. E.G., ever heard of a Presidential Unit Citation?

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« Reply #2889 on: May 23, 2024, 10:13:35 pm »
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« Reply #2890 on: May 23, 2024, 10:15:34 pm »
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« Reply #2891 on: May 23, 2024, 10:22:49 pm »
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« Reply #2892 on: May 23, 2024, 10:32:52 pm »
Russian Chief of General Staff's deputy arrested in Moscow

DARIA DMYTRIIEVA  |  MAY 23, 2024 - 11:49


Vadim Shamarin, head of the Main Communications Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces (photo: Russian media)

High-ranking generals continue to be detained in Russia. Lieutenant General Vadim Shamarin, head of the Main Communications Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces, has been arrested for two months on charges of accepting a large bribe, according to Kommersant.

Shamarin is also the deputy Chief of the General Staff under Valery Gerasimov.

A source within the security forces informed that a search was conducted in the criminal case against the general. As a result, Shamarin was taken for questioning to the Main Military Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of Russia.

The court reported that Shamarin was arrested for two months for accepting a particularly large bribe.

Arrests of corrupt generals
Several high-ranking generals have been arrested in Moscow recently. In April, Deputy Defense Minister Timur Ivanov was arrested on corruption charges. In May, Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov was arrested on suspicion of involvement in a bribery scheme. Also in May, former commander of the 58th Army of the Southern Military District, Ivan Popov, was arrested on fraud charges.

Moreover, in a move that has significant implications for the Russian political landscape, after assuming office for his fifth presidential term, Vladimir Putin dismissed Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, appointing him as Secretary of the National Security Council.  .  .

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/chief-of-general-staff-s-deputy-arrested-1716454154.html
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« Reply #2893 on: May 23, 2024, 10:51:29 pm »
“I heard people crying, asking for help.” Russia drops glide bomb on Kharkiv residential district (in photos)

Yana Sliemzina - 24 May 2024 | 00:00

UKRAINE, KHARKIV — “My mom is there!” A woman runs to the building damaged by a Russian bomb.

Around are shattered windows, one burning flat, ruined cafés, and a damaged car wash service. On May 22, at around 1:50 p.m., Russians attacked one of Kharkiv’s residential districts. People are searching for their relatives and their pets.

Russia attacks Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city 19 miles from the state border, frequently — even more so since the beginning of their new ground offensive from north and northeast of the Kharkiv region on May 10.

The Kharkiv Regional Prosecutor’s office reported that this Russian bomb attack injured 12 people. Four of them are in the hospital. The trolleybus’ driver has severe injuries to his legs — as of May 23, doctors managed to save one of his legs; the other had to be amputated.  .  .  .

https://gwaramedia.com/en/i-heard-people-crying-asking-for-help-russia-drops-glide-bomb-on-kharkiv-residential-district-in-photos/
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« Reply #2894 on: May 23, 2024, 11:00:27 pm »
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« Reply #2895 on: May 24, 2024, 12:59:24 am »
Good detail on what it is like as a mercenary soldier fighting against Ukraine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jdfaI5dyQ
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« Reply #2896 on: May 24, 2024, 10:20:46 am »
Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with ceasefire that recognises current battlefield lines - but will fight on if the West does not respond

Daily Mail By Henry Moore and Reuters and Will Stewart 5/24/2024

Russia's Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine if a negotiated ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines can be agreed, Russian sources claim.

Three of the sources, familiar with discussions in Putin's entourage, told Reuters the veteran Russian leader had expressed frustration to a small group of advisers about what he views as Western-backed attempts to stymie negotiations and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's decision to rule out talks.

'Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire to freeze the war,' said another of the insiders, a senior Russian source who has worked with Putin and has knowledge of top level conversations in the Kremlin.

He, like the others cited in this story, spoke on condition of anonymity given the matter's sensitivity.

Reuters spoke to a total of five people who work with or have worked with Putin at a senior level in the political and business worlds.

The fifth source did not comment on freezing the war at the current frontlines.

More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13455619/Putin-Ukraine-war-ceasefire-recognises-current-battlefield-lines.html
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« Reply #2897 on: May 24, 2024, 10:25:19 am »
Ukraine is supposed to negotiate the loss of their country?

Putin can end the war at any time. Just leave Ukraine.

Putin sounds like Hamas...
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« Reply #2898 on: May 24, 2024, 10:35:03 am »
Putin wants Ukraine ceasefire on current frontlines, sources say

Reuters by Guy Faulconbridge and Andrew Osborn 5/24/2024

Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov, in response to a request for comment, said the Kremlin chief had repeatedly made clear Russia was open to dialogue to achieve its goals, saying the country did not want “eternal war.”

Ukraine's foreign and defence ministries did not respond to questions.

The appointment last week of economist Andrei Belousov as Russia's defence minister was seen by some Western military and political analysts as placing the Russian economy on a permanent war footing in order to win a protracted conflict.

It followed sustained battlefield pressure and territorial advances by Russia in recent weeks.

However, the sources said that Putin, re-elected in March for a new six-year term, would rather use Russia's current momentum to put the war behind him. They did not directly comment on the new defence minister.

Based on their knowledge of conversations in the upper ranks of the Kremlin, two of the sources said Putin was of the view that gains in the war so far were enough to sell a victory to the Russian people.

Europe's biggest ground conflict since World War Two has cost tens of thousands of lives on both sides and led to sweeping Western sanctions on Russia's economy.

Three sources said Putin understood any dramatic new advances would require another nationwide mobilisation, which he didn't want, with one source, who knows the Russian president, saying his popularity dipped after the first mobilisation in September 2022.

The national call up spooked part of the population in Russia, triggering hundreds of thousands of draft age men to leave the country. Polls showed Putin’s popularity falling by several points.

Peskov said Russia had no need for mobilisation and was instead recruiting volunteer contractors to the armed forces.

The prospect of a ceasefire, or even peace talks, currently seems remote.

Zelenskiy has repeatedly said peace on Putin's terms is a non-starter. He has vowed to retake lost territory, including Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014. He signed a decree in 2022 that formally declared any talks with Putin "impossible."

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« Reply #2899 on: May 24, 2024, 11:19:08 am »
More of the same from this thug...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics

Salami Tactics: Faits Accomplis and International Expansion in the Shadow of Major War

https://tnsr.org/2021/11/salami-tactics-faits-accomplis-and-international-expansion-in-the-shadow-of-major-war/

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The term “salami tactics” describes the repeated use of limited faits accomplis to gain influence within some competitive arena at an adversary’s expense without provoking major retaliation. Instead of pursuing a single decisive victory, the object is to advance slice by slice, securing cumulative gains at minimal cost. The concept resides at the tactical level (as a method for pursuing expansionist strategic objectives), and its potential amplifies the significance of otherwise minor actions.

The term’s origins can be traced back at least as far as the late 1940s, when Hungarian Communist leader Mátyás Rákosi claimed that he defeated his domestic rivals by inciting them to abandon ever-larger segments of their own party, “cutting them off like slices of salami.”7 Thomas Schelling adapted the notion to the Cold War, describing a method used by both superpowers to erode each other’s sphere of influence: “One can begin his intrusion on a scale too small to provoke a reaction, and increase it by imperceptible degrees, never quite presenting a sudden, dramatic challenge that would invoke the committed response.”8
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