Ukraine 4

[DB]

The coming purges may tighten Putin's grip but as a whole it can only further weaken Russia with the underlying current of distrust.

[PeteS in CA]

What has who gotten for our 40 billion?  Anybody know?

The Russians:

[kevindavis007]

The Russians:

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

[kevindavis007]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14m4lef/russians_is_retreating_from_the_northern_streets/

[sneakypete]

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

@kevindavis007

And THERE it is!

The money we are spending to try to gain world peace,and in case any of you haven't noticed,the US is a part of the world,is money well spent.

If other nations are fighting against Communist domination and ALL we have to do to support them is give them money that would otherwise be stolen and used by our own politicians to keep their seats while supporting globalism,it is money well spent.

After all,if we spend money the 'murikan left  WAS going to spent on providing a retirement life style for free to any foreigner that wants it and all they have to do is vote left,it's not just a "win for America",it's a win-win!"

[kevindavis007]

So  Putin is being like Biden:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1674416655278174209

[PeteS in CA]

Without one drop of American blood being shed.  Just as long they don't ask that our troops fight for Ukaine (that is where I draw the line), we should just keep on doing what we are doing. Keep on slow bleeding Russia of their blood and treasure.

Repeating what I posted above:

Some people want to believe that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation on Earth *, but US' and EuroLanders' aid to Ukraine has been used to stymie Putin's invasion and push back his orcs, with substantial losses in men (especially Russia's best and most experienced; Putin isn't resorting to Wagner and Chechen mercenaries to be "inclusive"), tanks and other vehicles, and aircraft.

* Ukraine doesn't even make the Worst 20 or 50, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-corrupt-countries , but people who believe the slander are probably not inclined to let facts mess with their belief.

[Timber Rattler]

So  Putin is being like Biden:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1674416655278174209

At the risk of putting on a tin foil hat, I think that is one of Putin's body doubles.  There's something off about him...looks younger, fewer wrinkles, way more energetic than usual, and he's in DAGESTAN---in the CAUCASUS! 

Why would Putin go to Dagestan, of all places in Russia, for support?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan

https://goo.gl/maps/4GN37mqzhnfkd2538

[DB]

War ultimately comes down to economic power. Russia's GDP is about 5% of the wests. If Russia spends half its productivity on the war effort - which will economically destroy them - the west only needs to spend a small fraction of theirs to get that job done.

[Smokin Joe]

@kevindavis007

And THERE it is!

The money we are spending to try to gain world peace,and in case any of you haven't noticed,the US is a part of the world,is money well spent.

If other nations are fighting against Communist domination and ALL we have to do to support them is give them money that would otherwise be stolen and used by our own politicians to keep their seats while supporting globalism,it is money well spent.

After all,if we spend money the 'murikan left  WAS going to spent on providing a retirement life style for free to any foreigner that wants it and all they have to do is vote left,it's not just a "win for America",it's a win-win!"

Send the illegals over to fight if the Ukrainians run short. After all, they're mostly young fit men of military age.

[Hoodat]

Top Russian generals Gerasimov and Surovikin are reportedly missing following Wagner mutiny

Chris Pandolfo • 4h ago

Two of Russia's senior commanders have reportedly disappeared from public view after the Wagner Group's aborted mutiny, which targeted Russian military leadership.

One general was reportedly arrested in the days since Yevgeny Prigozhin called off his short-lived rebellion and relocated his forces to Belarus. Prigozhin's "march for justice" on Moscow was seen as the most significant challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime in decades, and Putin now seeks to reassert his authority.

The other commander, Armed Forces Chief of Staff General Valery Gerasimov, has not appeared in public or on state TV since the aborted mutiny on Saturday, when Prigozhin demanded Gerasimov be handed over. Nor has he been mentioned in a defense ministry press release since June 9, Reuters reported.

Gerasimov, 67, is the commander of Russia's invasion force in Ukraine and one of three Russian commanders who hold "nuclear briefcases," according to some Western military analysts.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/purge-top-russian-generals-gerasimov-and-surovikin-are-reportedly-missing-following-wagner-mutiny/ar-AA1dcDM8


There was a report a few days ago that Prigozhin had captured Gerasimov in Rostov before heading north.  He is definitely 'missing' since the Russians haven't posted old videos of him to show he is alive like they did with Shoigu.  If Gerasimov is dead, then there is a very large bank account somewhere that will go unclaimed.

[DB]

Gerasimov's head may have been part of the deal with Prigozhin to retreat.

[240B]

[berdie]

At the risk of putting on a tin foil hat, I think that is one of Putin's body doubles.  There's something off about him...looks younger, fewer wrinkles, way more energetic than usual, and he's in DAGESTAN---in the CAUCASUS! 

Why would Putin go to Dagestan, of all places in Russia, for support?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan

https://goo.gl/maps/4GN37mqzhnfkd2538

Definite possibility. I saw a picture of who they said was him last week. His face was very puffy.

[sneakypete]

Send the illegals over to fight if the Ukrainians run short. After all, they're mostly young fit men of military age.

@Smokin Joe

AND....,they are experienced at sneaking across borders undetected!

[sneakypete]

Top Russian generals Gerasimov and Surovikin are reportedly missing following Wagner mutiny

Chris Pandolfo • 4h ago

 
 
 

There was a report a few days ago that Prigozhin had captured Gerasimov in Rostov before heading north.  He is definitely 'missing' since the Russians haven't posted old videos of him to show he is alive like they did with Shoigu. If Gerasimov is dead, then there is a very large bank account somewhere that will go unclaimed.

@Hoodat

Do the Bidens know about that?

[sneakypete]

Definite possibility. I saw a picture of who they said was him last week. His face was very puffy.

@berdie

Well,he DOES drink a lot of vodka,and eat a lot of caviar.

[kevindavis007]

I hope the rumors about the Russians blowing up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is just a rumor.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1674708202095517696

[kevindavis007]

An entire artillery group just deleted. For all the crap Russia talks, they DO NOT want to go to war with the U.S./NATO.

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14mrzkb/ukrainian_himars_taking_out_russian_artillery/

[Kamaji]

Wagner troops shot down a Russian 'special mission' plane in failed mutiny that will damage Putin's war efforts in Ukraine, UK says, as Kyiv claims the FSB has been ordered to ASSASSINATE Prigozhin

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft plummeting to the ground
Ilyushin Il-22M is a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' for Russia

By CHRISTIAN OLIVER
30 June 2023

A Russian plane reportedly shot down by Wagner forces during the short-lived insurgency over the weekend was a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' in the Ukraine conflict, the British Ministry of Defence has said.

Amid their march on Moscow, the air defence forces of the Wagner group are understood to have shot down an Ilyushin Il-22M aircraft said to be 'heavily utilised for both airborne command and control, and radio relay tasks' by Russia's military, the MoD said.

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft - only one of 12 planes - plummeting to the ground over Voronezh.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12250789/Wagner-troops-shot-Russian-special-mission-plane-failed-mutiny.html

[kevindavis007]

The future of the Russia - China Alliance
https://twishort.com/cbuoc

[kevindavis007]

Wagner troops shot down a Russian 'special mission' plane in failed mutiny that will damage Putin's war efforts in Ukraine, UK says, as Kyiv claims the FSB has been ordered to ASSASSINATE Prigozhin

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft plummeting to the ground
Ilyushin Il-22M is a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' for Russia

By CHRISTIAN OLIVER
30 June 2023

A Russian plane reportedly shot down by Wagner forces during the short-lived insurgency over the weekend was a 'special mission aircraft' that played a 'key role' in the Ukraine conflict, the British Ministry of Defence has said.

Amid their march on Moscow, the air defence forces of the Wagner group are understood to have shot down an Ilyushin Il-22M aircraft said to be 'heavily utilised for both airborne command and control, and radio relay tasks' by Russia's military, the MoD said.

Footage appeared to show the enflamed aircraft - only one of 12 planes - plummeting to the ground over Voronezh.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12250789/Wagner-troops-shot-Russian-special-mission-plane-failed-mutiny.html

With the problems that Russia is having, I wonder how good is China's military really. My money is that they are the same if not worse than the Russian military. 

[sneakypete]

The future of the Russia - China Alliance
https://twishort.com/cbuoc

@kevindavis007

They are going to have no choice but to cut the Chinese in on their eastern border riches if they  hope to remain communist. If they don't get an influx if of fresh troops and equipment,they could very well be facing "Russian Revolution,Part 2",and China is the only place left to get them,and they ain't going to be "free".

In effect,China will be pimping out Russia,to include dumping a few million Chinese families in Russia to live and work,with the proceeds going back to  China.

Win/win for the Chinese,and  a slow death for the remaining Russians as the Chinese gradually take over the whole country.

This ain't rocket science. The  Russians have a huge nation with many riches,but they don't have a population that is high enough for them to exploit it. The Chinese have these people in excess.

I guess this will really depend on if Putin and the Politburo Boys would rather give up  on Communism in order to allow western nations to provide new industry,capital,and workers into Russia,which WOULD result in the ones in power now being voted out of office,or would they rather be servants to their fellow Communists in China,posing as Masters?

[sneakypete]

With the problems that Russia is having, I wonder how good is China's military really. My money is that they are the same if not worse than the Russian military.

@kevindavis007

They WERE worse maybe 20 years ago,but  they have been sending HUGE numbers of young Red Chinese military officers to the west to engineering and other technical schools learn how to build things properly,and to steal text books and blueprints to send back to China.

They have also been buying up US land as well as US corporations,and boxing up the manufacturing assets of the corporations and sending them,including the freaking buildings,back to China to reassemble.

They even hire the factory supervisors to come to China on multi-year contracts with ALL living expenses paid and hefty paychecks,to show them how to put  the plants back together and how to get them "rolling out products".

It SEEMS as if the Chinese Masters are moving towards a more socialist empire than the slave state of old,but time will tell,and ANYBODY that trusts the freaking Chinese is a fool.

Sure would be interesting to find out what the Chinese expat newspapers here in the west have to say about all this. AFAIK,the only  ones that exist are in Ca.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Warfare is an exercise in economic destruction for the invaded, but an exercise in economic depletion for the invader.

[sneakypete]

Warfare is an exercise in economic destruction for the invaded, but an exercise in economic depletion for the invader.

@DefiantMassRINO
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Not true,generally.  Historically,the nation that wins USUALLY gets to confiscate the treasury as well as the natural resources of the conquered country. Not to mention enslave it's people.

Hell,in many cases they even went so far as to change the national religion. Or install one,if  that nation didn't already have one.

It has only been in recent years that any Conquer Nation has spent it's own money to rebuilt a conquered nation,and AFAIK,that was primarily America,with  a few other nations playing a minor role.

[Kamaji]

Desperate Putin boosts his soldiers’ pay by 10.5% as he tries to shore up support in the ranks after humiliating Wagner mutiny

From October 1 soldiers will see the pay rise, a government decree said today

By OLIVIA JONES and DAVID AVERRE and WILL STEWART
30 June 2023

In a desperate attempt to boost his support, Vladimir Putin will increase salaries for military servicemen by 10.5 per cent.

From October 1 soldiers will see the pay rise, a government decree published on the official web portal showed today.

The move comes days after an abortive armed mutiny by the mercenary Wagner Group, which briefly took control of the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don and marched towards Moscow in what its leader Yevgeny Prigozhin said was a protest against incompetence and corruption in Russia's top brass.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12251591/Desperate-Putin-boosts-soldiers-pay-10-5-tries-shore-support.html

[240B]

[DB]

Russia is returning to Roman times...

[DB]

Russian roulette on a group scale...

[Kamaji]

Geez.

[240B]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

[PeteS in CA]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

E.G. the improperly stored Korean War era bombs that blew up in the USS Forrestal fire. Their deterioration caused them to cook off quicker than "normal" and to have greater than normal explosive force.

There are parts of France that are still off-limits due to the vast amounts of unexploded WW1 ordnance and pollution from the chemicals used in WW1 munitions. Unexploded bombs from WW2 are still found in Germany, France, and England.

[Smokin Joe]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

Mishandled, could be the reason for some of the ammo dump explosions...

[240B]

Age may make them unpredictable and more volatile. I was thinking more along the lines of detonating in the breech as soon as they are fired.

[PeteS in CA]

Age may make them unpredictable and more volatile. I was thinking more along the lines of detonating in the breach as soon as they are fired.

Unstable ----> Unpredictable

[DB]

Hence Russian roulette using them...

[240B]

[DB]

So a Russian Ruble is 1.1 cents today? So it has lost about 38% of its value relative to the dollar over the last two years with the majority of that loss over the last year. In real terms it is even worse than that because the dollar has lost at least 15% over the last two years primarily due to inflation.

[sneakypete]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

@240B

I sure wouldn't want to be the guy stuffing them up the Soviet version of a 175mm with a hot barrel.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1675298421450723334

[kevindavis007]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14nxsu0/russian_men_over_60_are_already_being_mobilized/

[sneakypete]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1675298421450723334

@kevindavis007

Then why is Russia pulling munitions 20 to 50 years old out of storage to use against Ukraine?

Russia is running out of manpower,missiles,tanks,airplanes,and money.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1675400756508205056

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis007

Then why is Russia pulling munitions 20 to 50 years old out of storage to use against Ukraine?

Russia is running out of manpower,missiles,tanks,airplanes,and money.

@sneakypete


My guess is that China is helping them.

[Kamaji]

Ukraine counteroffensive will take ‘very, long’ time and be ‘very very bloody,’ top US general says

By Jacob Geanous
July 1, 2023

Dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed in missile strikes as they crossed the Dnipro River amid a deadly counteroffensive, the Russian-appointed governor of the Kherson region in southern Ukraine said.

An Iskander missile, which is a short-range missile that travels at hypersonic speeds, killed at least 30 Ukrainian fighters and injured a dozen other, Vladimir Saldo said Friday on Telegram.

“The rest of them are hiding in summer houses on both sides of the bridge,” Saldo said.

The east bank of the Dnipro has been the scene of heavy fighting for nearly as week as Ukrainian troops have set up on the strategically important area of the bridge, CNN reported.

The deadly missile strike was the latest high-casualty incident in what is expected to be brutal months of fighting as Ukraine conducts its counteroffensive.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/01/ukraine-counteroffensive-will-be-slow-and-bloody-gen-milley/

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete


My guess is that China is helping them.

@kevindavis007

Thanks! I hadn't even considered China providing them with munitions,but it makes sense.

I wonder what China gets out of the deal? You can bet your bippy they ain't doing it out of communist solidarity.

[PeteS in CA]

1. Russia does not have an infinite supply of stand-off missiles. They're already having to use older, less precise, models and adapt missiles designed for other purposes to the purpose of bombardment. Eventually Russia will run low on those, too. From a strategic POV, when supply is limited, usage should be focused on points of greatest need. The Russians have not done that and are wasting their limited quantity of their best munitions. As the Germans demonstrated with their London Blitz, dropping explosives in random civilian areas is not likely to succeed.

2. The curious thing about the Russians' offensive against Bakhmut - begun in August last year - is that it was of little strategic value for the Russians. They spent huge numbers of men and material for little strategic purpose. OTOH, a Ukraine breakout from the Bakhmut area would put several major cities in "danger" of being liberated.

[Kamaji]

1. Russia does not have an infinite supply of stand-off missiles. They're already having to use older, less precise, models and adapt missiles designed for other purposes to the purpose of bombardment. Eventually Russia will run low on those, too. From a strategic POV, when supply is limited, usage should be focused on points of greatest need. The Russians have not done that and are wasting their limited quantity of their best munitions. As the Germans demonstrated with their London Blitz, dropping explosives in random civilian areas is not likely to succeed.

2. The curious thing about the Russians' offensive against Bakhmut - begun in August last year - is that it was of little strategic value for the Russians. They spent huge numbers of men and material for little strategic purpose. OTOH, a Ukraine breakout from the Bakhmut area would put several major cities in "danger" of being liberated.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1675531377146462210