LIVE THREAD BREAKING...Trump Indicted

[LMAO]

Ditto! Especially the part I highlighted.  Without an honest rule of law NOTHING else matters. We are missing that currently.

And what would “an honest rule of law” look like?

People like Alvin Bragg were elected. People like Kim Gardner were elected. People like Keith Ellison were elected.

The only chance is to find people who truly believe “no one is above the law”

[Bigun]

And what would “an honest rule of law” look like?

People like Alvin Bragg were elected. People like Kim Gardner were elected. People like Keith Ellison were elected.

The only chance is to find people who truly believe “no one is above the law”

It would look like one in which the constitution was strictly adhered to as written. People like Alvin Bragg would not have a license to practice law for long, if ever.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yet,  he lost with Trump’s endorsement in 2020

Gee, maybe the candidate's flawed?

[LMAO]

Gee, maybe the candidate's flawed?

Then  why did Trump endorse him  in 2020?

And the Democrats use that 2020 endorsement against him then and in 2023 and he lost both times

[LMAO]

It would look like one in which the constitution was strictly adhered to as written. People like Alvin Bragg would not have a license to practice law for long, if ever.

Fair enough

He could lose his law license for malpractice.

And who do you think the voters of New York City would replace him  with? Look what the voters in Chicago replaced Lori Lightfoot with.

[libertybele]

I listened to Glenn Beck this morning and one of his guest was Alan Dershowitz.  In a nutshell Trump will never get a fair trial in Manhattan and the trial should be moved outside of Manhattan.  Secondly, the charges are very weak; but again, with a judge and jury that hates Trump so much it's not going to go well.

Just my opinion here; I'm expecting jail time for Trump for at least 5 to 10 years.

[LMAO]

I listened to Glenn Beck this morning and one of his guest was Alan Dershowitz.  In a nutshell Trump will never get a fair trial in Manhattan and the trial should be moved outside of Manhattan.  Secondly, the charges are very weak; but again, with a judge and jury that hates Trump so much it's not going to go well.

Just my opinion here; I'm expecting jail time for Trump for at least 5 to 10 years.

My precarious prediction is he loses in Manhattan but wins on appeal

I just don’t see him serving jail time. But, it is New York City, and the best way to keep yourself out of jail in New York City is to commit a violent act.

By the way, I like your tag line. I pray for that, also

[mystery-ak]

 

ABC’s Hostin: Trump Will Likely Serve Time in Jail for Manhattan Case

ABC legal analyst Sunny Hostin told her co-hosts Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” that former President Donald Trump will likely serve time in prison as a result of the case brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/05/abcs-hostin-trump-will-likely-serve-time-in-jail-for-manhattan-case/

[roamer_1]

I listened to Glenn Beck this morning and one of his guest was Alan Dershowitz.  In a nutshell Trump will never get a fair trial in Manhattan and the trial should be moved outside of Manhattan.  Secondly, the charges are very weak; but again, with a judge and jury that hates Trump so much it's not going to go well.

Just my opinion here; I'm expecting jail time for Trump for at least 5 to 10 years.

Nah. I expect he might lose in NYC and suffer convictions. But He will appeal. Sooner or later it will go federal, and out of the reach of New York, and it will turn around. He will skate. It will just take a while

[Kamaji]

Nah. I expect he might lose in NYC and suffer convictions. But He will appeal. Sooner or later it will go federal, and out of the reach of New York, and it will turn around. He will skate. It will just take a while

Why would it go to a federal court?  This is a matter of NY state law.

[roamer_1]

Why would it go to a federal court?  This is a matter of NY state law.

Sooner or later, if he gets no justice through New York appellate system, it moves to federal in my understanding.

[Kamaji]

Sooner or later, if he gets no justice through New York appellate system, it moves to federal in my understanding.

How so?  If it's a matter of a prosecution under NY state law, there has to be some constitutional hook that gets it into federal court.  I'm not seeing that hook.

[libertybele]

Sooner or later, if he gets no justice through New York appellate system, it moves to federal in my understanding.

From my understanding he could appeal to the NY supreme court which would be a final ruling but then it could be appealed to SCOTUS. One, they would have to agree to hear the case which is doubtful because they looked the other way after the election was stolen.

I just don't see things going well for Trump.  The judge and jury are already stacked against him.

[roamer_1]

How so?  If it's a matter of a prosecution under NY state law, there has to be some constitutional hook that gets it into federal court.  I'm not seeing that hook.

If it is a political prosecution, the leverage would be there... If he is not afforded a fair prosecution, and a jury of his peers... If the table is tilted by politics, then there ya go.

Now, if the indictment is all there is, I don't think it will go that far. If that's all they have, they may well convict him, but his appeal within New York should be enough, because the only way they get this done is to railroad him, And any unbiased court will see that.

[libertybele]

If it is a political prosecution, the leverage would be there... If he is not afforded a fair prosecution, and a jury of his peers... If the table is tilted by politics, then there ya go.

Now, if the indictment is all there is, I don't think it will go that far. If that's all they have, they may well convict him, but his appeal within New York should be enough, because the only way they get this done is to railroad him, And any unbiased court will see that.

That's just it @roamer the judge and those in Manhattan hate Trump so they are very biased -- charges are weak and listening to other lawyers the case would normally be thrown out.  They are out to prevent him from running again period and they are going to do whatever it takes to do so.

If you get a chance listen to Trump's speech last night at Mar a Lago -- it explains a lot.

Here's part of his speech:

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,495782.msg2807619.html#msg2807619

[LMAO]

DC_Draino
@DC_Draino

Daniel Kelly was a Scott Walker appointee

Both are GOP establishment

Daniel Kelly has now lost 2 races for Supreme Court, both times by 10 points

Ron Johnson just won a Senate seat running on a platform MAGA

We know the recipe for WI

It’s MAGA

They just need MAGA candidates

8:17 AM · Apr 5, 2023

Oops…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/shows/meetthepress/blog/rcna43406

MILWAUKEE — Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., distanced his campaign from former President Donald Trump on Tuesday, sidestepping questions about whether he would invite Trump to stump for him this fall.

“To me, this election is about Wisconsin and about 2022. And so from my standpoint, I’ve never asked for anybody’s endorsement. I’m happy to have people’s endorsement, obviously I want as much support as possible,” Johnson told reporters after an immigration event, not referring to Trump by name. “But I’m running as the candidate and I’m trying to appeal to as many Wisconsin voters as possible so we recognize that under Democrat [sic] control, this has been a disaster.”

[240B]

American women complain, "No one wants to date anymore?" "Nobody wants to get married anymore!?"
After ME TOO and the Trump Circus, I cannot foresee any successful male having anything to do with any female.
If you are a millionaire (and especially billionaire), no pictures, no dates, no elevator, no nothing with any female.
I am not in a 'high status' success group and even I look at every female as a landmine, to be avoided with caution.
Even if the woman is the sexual aggressor, you always have to wonder if it is a setup.
I cannot imagine how all of this is going to end for women in America?

[Kamaji]

Most likely, the underlying criminal conduct Bragg will be relying upon is to make the argument that the initial payments by Cohen and by the publisher constituted illegal campaign contributions, the acceptance of which was a class A misdemeanor under NY Election Law § 14-126(5), which provides as follows:

Any person who knowingly and willfully contributes, accepts or aids or participates in the acceptance of a contribution in an amount exceeding an applicable maximum specified in this article shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.

The payments were $130,000, $150,000, and $30,000 (to the doorman), which are almost certainly in excess of the NY campaign contribution limits for non family members.

[Kamaji]

If it is a political prosecution, the leverage would be there... If he is not afforded a fair prosecution, and a jury of his peers... If the table is tilted by politics, then there ya go.

Now, if the indictment is all there is, I don't think it will go that far. If that's all they have, they may well convict him, but his appeal within New York should be enough, because the only way they get this done is to railroad him, And any unbiased court will see that.

Where is the specific federal law that gives him access to federal court?

[libertybele]

Where is the specific federal law that gives him access to federal court?

A litigant who loses in a federal court of appeals, or in the highest court of a state, may file a petition for a "writ of certiorari," which is a document asking the Supreme Court to review the case. The Supreme Court, however, does not have to grant review.

[mystery-ak]

I hope someone reported this guy to the SS

DC’s ‘Blue Beetle’ Director Tweets Then Deletes Post Wishing for Donald Trump Assassination

The Warner Bros. DC universe of comic book movies is about to welcome the opening of “Blue Beetle” but fans are not welcoming a tweet by the film’s director, Ángel Manuel Soto, who said he hopes Donald Trump is assassinated like President Abraham Lincoln.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/04/05/dcs-blue-beetle-director-tweets-then-deletes-post-wishing-for-donald-trump-assassination/

[LMAO]

I hope someone reported this guy to the SS

DC’s ‘Blue Beetle’ Director Tweets Then Deletes Post Wishing for Donald Trump Assassination

The Warner Bros. DC universe of comic book movies is about to welcome the opening of “Blue Beetle” but fans are not welcoming a tweet by the film’s director, Ángel Manuel Soto, who said he hopes Donald Trump is assassinated like President Abraham Lincoln.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/04/05/dcs-blue-beetle-director-tweets-then-deletes-post-wishing-for-donald-trump-assassination/

And Hollywood wonders why they’re collapsing

[libertybele]

I hope someone reported this guy to the SS

DC’s ‘Blue Beetle’ Director Tweets Then Deletes Post Wishing for Donald Trump Assassination

The Warner Bros. DC universe of comic book movies is about to welcome the opening of “Blue Beetle” but fans are not welcoming a tweet by the film’s director, Ángel Manuel Soto, who said he hopes Donald Trump is assassinated like President Abraham Lincoln.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/04/05/dcs-blue-beetle-director-tweets-then-deletes-post-wishing-for-donald-trump-assassination/

As horrible as this is, I highly doubt anything is going to be done.

I fear for Trump's safety. I pray for his safety and physical and mental health.  In his speech yesterday I noticed some breathing issues; he just seemed exhausted.  At least the speech gave him an avenue to vent. 

[mystery-ak]

Donald Trump Indictment TV Ratings Soar over Golden Globe, Oscars, Nightly News, Celebrity Apprentice

The television ratings of the Trump indictment soared to a 10.2 rating during the middle of Tuesday’s workday, surpassing many of the most popular shows on television.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/05/donald-trump-indictment-tv-ratings-soar-over-golden-globe-oscars-nightly-news-celebrity-apprentice/

[LMAO]

As horrible as this is, I highly doubt anything is going to be done.

I fear for Trump's safety. I pray for his safety and physical and mental health.  In his speech yesterday I noticed some breathing issues; he just seemed exhausted.  At least the speech gave him an avenue to vent.

That’s why I didn’t jump up on the myth that Donald Trump actually wants this. Yes, there is the emotional rush with his supporters and the donation in the poll numbers amongst his base.

Just the optics alone hurts him in the general election. Plus he has to defend himself in court and hire lawyers. It takes him off the campaign trail at times .  And his family is being dragged through this, also


And his wife. Sure, she’ll put on a public façade that all is well and that she’s standing by her husband. But what goes on in private? What about what goes on in her mind?

You  didn’t hear much from Malena Trump while she was First Lady. No trying to tell kids what they can eat. No claiming a co presidency status. I found his wife very likable.

[roamer_1]

That's just it @roamer the judge and those in Manhattan hate Trump so they are very biased -- charges are weak and listening to other lawyers the case would normally be thrown out.  They are out to prevent him from running again period and they are going to do whatever it takes to do so.

Well, sure. I believe it is bullshit, just by the indictment. The whole thing is nonsense. And if this judge allows the railroading, then the appeal gets him out of NYC and into the state courts... Where I believe it will fare way differently.

If you get a chance listen to Trump's speech last night at Mar a Lago -- it explains a lot.

I will not. I don't need to listen to his bullshit anymore than I need to listen to theirs.

[roamer_1]

Where is the specific federal law that gives him access to federal court?

Beats me. I ain't a lawyer.

[libertybele]

Well, sure. I believe it is bullshit, just by the indictment. The whole thing is nonsense. And if this judge allows the railroading, then the appeal gets him out of NYC and into the state courts... Where I believe it will fare way differently.

I will not. I don't need to listen to his bullshit anymore than I need to listen to theirs.

Ok then.   

[Kamaji]

A litigant who loses in a federal court of appeals, or in the highest court of a state, may file a petition for a "writ of certiorari," which is a document asking the Supreme Court to review the case. The Supreme Court, however, does not have to grant review.

Yes, but there must be a constitutional basis under which the Supreme Court would exercise jurisdiction.  That means that there has to be some federal constitutional or legal basis to appeal to the Supreme Court from a state court decision.  In this case, it appears that Bragg is proceeding on the basis of NY state law alone - the false business records statute and, most likely, the NY election laws regarding contribution limits for the underlying crime which was supposedly covered up by the making of the false business records.  In which case, there would be no federal basis for an appeal from the NY Court of Appeals (the highest court in NY) to the Supreme Court, unless there is a constitutional right that is being infringed upon, and even then, that right must have been raised at the earliest opportunity possible in the state court proceedings.

[libertybele]

Yes, but there must be a constitutional basis under which the Supreme Court would exercise jurisdiction.  That means that there has to be some federal constitutional or legal basis to appeal to the Supreme Court from a state court decision.  In this case, it appears that Bragg is proceeding on the basis of NY state law alone - the false business records statute and, most likely, the NY election laws regarding contribution limits for the underlying crime which was supposedly covered up by the making of the false business records.  In which case, there would be no federal basis for an appeal from the NY Court of Appeals (the highest court in NY) to the Supreme Court, unless there is a constitutional right that is being infringed upon, and even then, that right must have been raised at the earliest opportunity possible in the state court proceedings.

Well, @Kamaji obviously you have some sort of legal background, I have none and it becomes confusing trying to wade through the information and disinformation on the internet.

[bigheadfred]

There is a fairly informative article at Vox. I would link it but that is beyond me on my tablet.

The headline:  The dubious legal theory at the heart of the Trump indictment, explained.

[catfish1957]

There is a fairly informative article at Vox. I would link it but that is beyond me on my tablet.

The headline:  The dubious legal theory at the heart of the Trump indictment, explained.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

[bigheadfred]

Thanks,  @catfish1957.

[Kamaji]

I hope someone reported this guy to the SS

DC’s ‘Blue Beetle’ Director Tweets Then Deletes Post Wishing for Donald Trump Assassination

The Warner Bros. DC universe of comic book movies is about to welcome the opening of “Blue Beetle” but fans are not welcoming a tweet by the film’s director, Ángel Manuel Soto, who said he hopes Donald Trump is assassinated like President Abraham Lincoln.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/04/05/dcs-blue-beetle-director-tweets-then-deletes-post-wishing-for-donald-trump-assassination/

He's not the only one.  I've seen various posts and tweets about how the speaker wishes Trump would end up the way Lincoln ended up.

[Kamaji]

Well, @Kamaji obviously you have some sort of legal background, I have none and it becomes confusing trying to wade through the information and disinformation on the internet.

I've had to do close readings before, and I'm a bit of an obsessive sometimes, so I can work my way through the nonsense.  I also have some, shall we say, more "personal" experience with these matters in the NY court system.

It is confusing, overall, however.

[libertybele]

There is a fairly informative article at Vox. I would link it but that is beyond me on my tablet.

The headline:  The dubious legal theory at the heart of the Trump indictment, explained.

Here it is from Vox:

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

[bigheadfred]

Here it is from Vox:

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

Thanks, @libertybele

I thought the article is worth the read.

[libertybele]

Thanks, @libertybele

I thought the article is worth the read.

No problem. 

I am on my desktop.  I don't know how to 'link' with my tablet either. 

[sneakypete]

Where's the self interest in living in a violent, crime infested hellhole?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

You and your homies are allowed to wander freely,committing all sorts of crimes,while getting free food,housing,medical care,utilities,food,and clothing for you and your illigimitate offsprungs while waiting for your gooberment  checks to come in.

In a JUST society,the criminals I described above would still get all that,but would be in prison while it happened,or depending on the severity of their crimes,awaiting a quit execution.

[sneakypete]

Maybe the Stormy Daniels episode still has her a bit pissed.  Her lack of being there may imply the Donald did indeed have an affair....more than likely several....

@mrpotatohead

@mystery-ak

Or maybe she just had something else she needed to do or somewhere else she needed to be.

After all,they are married,not joined at the hip.

[sneakypete]

Gee, maybe the candidate's flawed?

@LMAO

@Right_in_Virginia

EVERYTHING, including original sin is Trump's fault.

On top of that,he is wealthy,orange,and rude!

Whut murika rilly needs iz anuthor Bush!

Try to keep  up.

[sneakypete]

Fair enough

He could lose his law license for malpractice.

And who do you think the voters of New York City would replace him  with? Look what the voters in Chicago replaced Lori Lightfoot with.

@LMAO

It almost boggles the imagination that the Dims could find someone dumber than her.

It's like a race to the bottom.

[LMAO]

@LMAO

@Right_in_Virginia

EVERYTHING, including original sin is Trump's fault.

On top of that,he is wealthy,orange,and rude!

Whut murika rilly needs iz anuthor Bush!

Try to keep  up.

Huh???

Do you even know what we’re talking about or are you just reacting emotionally to a post?

Why don’t you add something substantive to the conversation besides rude, orange, rich, or Bush?

[sneakypete]

ABC’s Hostin: Trump Will Likely Serve Time in Jail for Manhattan Case

ABC legal analyst Sunny Hostin told her co-hosts Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” that former President Donald Trump will likely serve time in prison as a result of the case brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/05/abcs-hostin-trump-will-likely-serve-time-in-jail-for-manhattan-case/

@mystery-ak

Just telling the dummies what they want to hear so they will pay her to come back again.

[sneakypete]

American women complain, "No one wants to date anymore?" "Nobody wants to get married anymore!?"
After ME TOO and the Trump Circus, I cannot foresee any successful male having anything to do with any female.
If you are a millionaire (and especially billionaire), no pictures, no dates, no elevator, no nothing with any female.
I am not in a 'high status' success group and even I look at every female as a landmine, to be avoided with caution.
Even if the woman is the sexual aggressor, you always have to wonder if it is a setup.
I cannot imagine how all of this is going to end for women in America?

@240B

Does this mean you are going to change your user name to "Me so horny!"?

[sneakypete]

Huh???

Do you even know what we’re talking about or are you just reacting emotionally to a post?

Why don’t you add something substantive to the conversation besides rude, orange, rich, or Bush?

@LMAO

What,and make fun of your faith?

[LMAO]

@LMAO

What,and make fun of your faith?

This doesn’t make sense

[Kamaji]

Here it is from Vox:

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

It's an interesting article, but I think it may have missed the underlying crime Bragg intends to allege as the basis for converting a misdemeanor false business records offense into a felony offense.  Specifically, under NY Election Law § 14-126(5), it is a Class A misdemeanor for a person to "knowingly and willfully" make or accept contributions in excess of the contribution limits imposed under Art. 14 of the NY Election Law.

That, to my mind, explains why that statement of facts went into such detail to specify that the actions taken by Cohen and American Media, including in particular the payments to the ladies, took place prior to the election, and the repayment, if any, only took place after the election was over (I believe that American Media ultimately refused to accept reimbursement for the amounts it paid out).

Since the payments do not appear to have been papered as loans to the Trump campaign, Bragg will almost certainly try to argue that they were political campaign contributions that exceeded the limits, and that way in which the reimbursements were treated as legal expenses - from Cohen issuing invoices for legal services, to the general ledger and check memo lines stating that the payments were for legal services, which would not be subject to the campaign contribution limits, a means of covering up the fact that the initial payments were, in substance, contributions to Trump.

Furthermore, even if the original payments are cast as "loans", NY Election Law § 14-114(6) treats a loan that is not repaid by the date of the primary or election to which it relates, as a "contribution".

Thus, since the payments in this case took place after the 2016 presidential election, those initial payments by Cohen and American Media would be recast as contributions for the purposes of the NY election laws, and since those amounts definitely exceeded the contribution limits, the making of the payment is probably a violation of the NY election law and punishable as a Class A misdemeanor.

[240B]

@240B

Does this mean you are going to change your user name to "Me so horny!"?

Far past the point of being 'horny', maybe once in a while after a few months and it does not last long.
That's for the younger guys. And they are all turning to one-time prostitutes.

No prostitute is as expensive as a divorce losing half your stuff followed by 20 years of payments.
If you only go out a couple of times a month, better to use Uber than to buy a car of your own.

Only a fool would not take this stuff seriously. With what is going on these days, you have to be paranoid.
It is not 1950 anymore.

[sneakypete]

Far past the point of being 'horny', maybe once in a while after a few months and it does not last long.
That's for the younger guys. And they are all turning to one-time prostitutes.

No prostitute is as expensive as a divorce losing half your stuff followed by 20 years of payments.
If you only go out a couple of times a month, better to use Uber than to buy a car of your own.

Only a fool would not take this stuff seriously.

@240B

Has there ever been a time when you didn't need to  be paranoid? Ozzie and Harriet was a real  family,but what we saw was the tv version.

It is not 1950 anymore.

I am guessing being paranoid in 1950 was a smart move to make,too.

Things started changing in the early 40's. Most people no longer seemed to see marriage as a life-long committment  requiring them both  to make compromises.

Nowadays,it really does seem to be a case of "ME FIRST,me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"

Which,in reality,is a super highway to divorce. I don't give a damn WHO you are,there are going to be days when you HAVE to admit to being wrong even if you don't think you are,in order to continue to live in peace.

This,of course,only works if you are both willing to do that.

Life ain't perfect,and neither are any of us.

Well,ME,maybe,when I am having a good day.