Author Topic: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago  (Read 101822 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline txradioguy

  • Propaganda NCOIC
  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,571
  • Gender: Male
  • Rule #39
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #800 on: August 10, 2022, 03:37:03 pm »
Why is Trump choosing to not disclose the warrant?

I heard it was sealed.  If that's the case then as I understand it unless the Judge that signed the warrant unseals it....it's illegal to do so.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

Here lies in honored glory an American soldier, known but to God

THE ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM...NOT THE SOLUTION

Republicans Don't Need A Back Bench...They Need a BACKBONE!

Offline Sighlass

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,753
  • Didn't vote for McCain Dole Romney Trump !
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #801 on: August 10, 2022, 03:38:50 pm »
@Sighlass

No,in fact,I don't.

BTW,your link doesn't work.

I didn't post a link Pete... but here is one to refresh your memory on one of Trump's gun grabs, there was more. @sneakypete

https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/28/trump-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
Exodus 18:21 Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders over ....

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,785
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #802 on: August 10, 2022, 03:39:55 pm »
Then we don't know, do we?

That's right. But anything determined to be evidence (which should be anything they hauled off) would be sealed with evidence tape to prevent tampering and preserve Chain of Custody.

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #803 on: August 10, 2022, 03:41:08 pm »
That's right. But anything determined to be evidence (which should be anything they hauled off) would be sealed with evidence tape to prevent tampering and preserve Chain of Custody.

Agreed.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #804 on: August 10, 2022, 03:41:21 pm »
I heard it was sealed.  If that's the case then as I understand it unless the Judge that signed the warrant unseals it....it's illegal to do so.

Trump's attorney Bobb said last night on Fox that The attorneys at MAL were shown the warrant but not allowed to keep it.

Now on Fox they are reporting that Trump/attorneys did receive a list of everything that was taken...
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,549
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #805 on: August 10, 2022, 03:44:44 pm »
A cite would be helpful, then.

There are several I posted on this thread yesterday if you care to go look for them.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #806 on: August 10, 2022, 03:45:53 pm »
Fox reporting that the Trump team are planning to get a court order for the FBI to release the warrant and a complete list of everything that was taken....

This story is constantly changing...don't know what to believe
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,549
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #807 on: August 10, 2022, 03:46:03 pm »
Trump's attorney Bobb said last night on Fox that The attorneys at MAL were shown the warrant but not allowed to keep it.

Now on Fox they are reporting that Trump/attorneys did receive a list of everything that was taken...

A list of things that were taken is not the warrant.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #808 on: August 10, 2022, 03:47:17 pm »
They should generally be taped - and sealed in a provable manner - in order to establish chain of custody as they leave the premises.

That chain of custody should include records of the boxes being packed by the GSA and shipped to Maralago after Trump left office.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #809 on: August 10, 2022, 03:47:27 pm »
A list of things that were taken is not the warrant.

I know...
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,549
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #810 on: August 10, 2022, 03:48:04 pm »
Fox reporting that the Trump team are planning to get a court order for the FBI to release the warrant and a complete list of everything that was taken....

This story is constantly changing...don't know what to believe


https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1557134028263735296
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #811 on: August 10, 2022, 03:48:25 pm »
That chain of custody should include records of the boxes being packed by the GSA and shipped to Maralago after Trump left office.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/

Why?

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #812 on: August 10, 2022, 03:49:13 pm »
I heard it was sealed.  If that's the case then as I understand it unless the Judge that signed the warrant unseals it....it's illegal to do so.

It is also illegal for a judge with prior personal history with a defendant to issue a warrant against that defendant.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #813 on: August 10, 2022, 03:49:37 pm »
Why?

Because that is where the boxes originated.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #814 on: August 10, 2022, 03:50:43 pm »
Fox reporting that the Trump team are planning to get a court order for the FBI to release the warrant and a complete list of everything that was taken....

This story is constantly changing...don't know what to believe

Yeah, that doesn't make sense.  Trump's team should already have all of that.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #815 on: August 10, 2022, 03:54:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1557446305491722241


TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
·
33m
President Trump: You cannot trust the Republican Party!



TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
·
33m
President Trump: You have traitors within your organization!
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #816 on: August 10, 2022, 03:54:54 pm »
Because that is where the boxes originated.

Doesn't matter; the chain of custody doesn't have to demonstrate that, it only has to demonstrate that they were in Trump's possession at Mar-a-lago, and haven't been tampered with since then.

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #817 on: August 10, 2022, 03:55:28 pm »
It is also illegal for a judge with prior personal history with a defendant to issue a warrant against that defendant.

On what basis?

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #818 on: August 10, 2022, 03:58:14 pm »
Avatar

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
26m

In early June, the DOJ and FBI asked my legal representatives to put an extra lock on the door leading to the place where boxes were stored in Mar-a-Lago - We agreed. They were shown the secured area, and the boxes themselves. Then on Monday, without notification or warning, an army of agents broke into Mar-a-Lago, went to the same storage area, and ripped open the lock that they had asked to be installed. A surprise attack, POLITICS, and all the while our Country is going to HELL!
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #819 on: August 10, 2022, 03:58:50 pm »
Doesn't matter; the chain of custody doesn't have to demonstrate that, it only has to demonstrate that they were in Trump's possession at Mar-a-lago, and haven't been tampered with since then.

So I mail a classified document to your house.  Your housekeeper collects the mail and places it in the basement where it sits unopened for 18 months.  Suddenly, the FBI raids your house, spends several hours rummaging through your wife's underwear drawer before moseying down the basement stairs, finding the envelope, and then hauling it off as evidence you had classified info in your possession.  Sounds like some Stasi bullshit to me.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #821 on: August 10, 2022, 04:02:51 pm »
So I mail a classified document to your house.  Your housekeeper collects the mail and places it in the basement where it sits unopened for 18 months.  Suddenly, the FBI raids your house, spends several hours rummaging through your wife's underwear drawer before moseying down the basement stairs, finding the envelope, and then hauling it off as evidence you had classified info in your possession.  Sounds like some Stasi bullshit to me.

:rolleyes:

Maybe try comparing apples to apples.  Are you seriously claiming that certain boxes were packed at the White House, without Trump's knowledge, sealed up, sent to Mar-a-Lago, and stored in the secured area where Trump knew boxes containing the disputed documents were kept, and that all of this was done months ahead of time on the off chance that Trump wouldn't know about it?

Really?

If Trump had possession of documents that he was not entitled to have, then that is all that is needed to make the case; knowledge will be presumed from possession of the boxes containing them if a state of mind element must be proved.  Demonstrating that some nefarious evil-doer salted these boxes with documents that Trump did not know about, and would not have retained if he had known about them, is an affirmative defense that it is up to Trump to prove.

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #822 on: August 10, 2022, 04:04:54 pm »
:rolleyes:

Maybe try comparing apples to apples.  Are you seriously claiming that certain boxes were packed at the White House, without Trump's knowledge, sealed up, sent to Mar-a-Lago, and stored in the secured area where Trump knew boxes containing the disputed documents were kept, and that all of this was done months ahead of time on the off chance that Trump wouldn't know about it?

Really?

I gave you the link.  I can't click it for you.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #823 on: August 10, 2022, 04:05:17 pm »

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #824 on: August 10, 2022, 04:06:09 pm »
I gave you the link.  I can't click it for you.

You didn't give me a link demonstrating that the FBI must have a chain of custody showing that the boxes originated from the White House and were packed by the GSA.

Try again.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #827 on: August 10, 2022, 04:15:22 pm »
Two different versions... :shrug:
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,549
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #829 on: August 10, 2022, 04:18:09 pm »
You didn't give me a link demonstrating that the FBI must have a chain of custody showing that the boxes originated from the White House and were packed by the GSA.

Try again.

Here is you responding to it:
That chain of custody should include records of the boxes being packed by the GSA and shipped to Maralago after Trump left office.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-says-fbi-wouldnt-let-his-attorneys-watch-raid/

Why?

From the article:

The boxes contain documents from Trump’s tenure at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue — reportedly including letters from former President Barack Obama and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.

The material had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020, a legal source told The Post.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Sighlass

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,753
  • Didn't vote for McCain Dole Romney Trump !
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #832 on: August 10, 2022, 04:33:12 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....

Exodus 18:21 Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders over ....

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,133
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #834 on: August 10, 2022, 04:35:50 pm »
In the case of Pennsylvania they weren't the sole arbiter though. Mark Elias and the AG for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...who is running for Governor by the way...circumvented the state and federal constitution in this instance.
Exactly.

There is no constitutional jurisdiction either federally or state that makes the legislature the sole author or arbiter.

20 Attorney Generals together representing their respective states filed and/or supported that petition.

The Supreme Court never said only the state legislature was the sole author or arbiter, and not the state AGs from acting on behalf of their respective states.
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,785
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #836 on: August 10, 2022, 04:45:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1557457614342062081


Uh-oh... The cams stayed on... Somebody at the FBI just pooped a little bit.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,785
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #837 on: August 10, 2022, 04:56:04 pm »
Exactly.

There is no constitutional jurisdiction either federally or state that makes the legislature the sole author or arbiter.

Then obviously that makes the opposite true - Others CAN mess with election law, and others CAN certify it.

Be careful what you wish for. Because what you wish for is our doom.

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #838 on: August 10, 2022, 05:08:48 pm »
Here is you responding to it:
Why?


From the article:

The boxes contain documents from Trump’s tenure at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue — reportedly including letters from former President Barack Obama and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.

The material had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020, a legal source told The Post.

That still doesn't require a chain of custody from GSA/the White House to Mar-a-Lago.  It is sufficient if documents he is not supposed to have are nonetheless in his possession.  If he wants to argue some fruitcake "the GSA secretly salted them in those boxes" argument, he's free to do so, but that's on him; the government is not required to disprove that theory.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #839 on: August 10, 2022, 05:15:33 pm »
Judge Jeanine just said on the five that she had just talked to Eric Trump they never got to see the warrant and they have no idea what they took they did not get a list
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #840 on: August 10, 2022, 05:32:33 pm »
That still doesn't require a chain of custody from GSA/the White House to Mar-a-Lago.  It is sufficient if documents he is not supposed to have are nonetheless in his possession.  If he wants to argue some fruitcake "the GSA secretly salted them in those boxes" argument, he's free to do so, but that's on him; the government is not required to disprove that theory.

"Must" and "require" are your words, not mine.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #841 on: August 10, 2022, 05:35:51 pm »
"Must" and "require" are your words, not mine.

I never said they were your words.  Your words required there to be a chain of custody from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago, and that is simply not the case.  Or are you now disavowing even that?

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #842 on: August 10, 2022, 05:42:56 pm »
Your words required there to be a chain of custody from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago

Nope.  I said "That chain of custody should include".  Never did I say it was required.  My point is that the GSA packed the boxes and shipped them to Maralago.  Can't fault Trump for that.  The evidence taken into custody originated with the GSA.  Trump did not remove said boxes from the White House.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Sighlass

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,753
  • Didn't vote for McCain Dole Romney Trump !
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #843 on: August 10, 2022, 05:47:19 pm »
So if it is an felony to take classified documents (Trump signed it into law himself) and Trump (who is already wishywashy on gun issues) is found guilty, would we want a bitter felon that can't own guns even in the WH? Just thinking out loud, since felons are not barred from running for President. We know that democrats can use this card to play out in mid-term if Trump wins, and make another 4 years of a poop-show in office.

Yes the above post might be aimed at inflaming some folks...
« Last Edit: August 10, 2022, 05:49:47 pm by Sighlass »
Exodus 18:21 Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders over ....

Online Weird Tolkienish Figure

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,205
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #844 on: August 10, 2022, 05:49:28 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....



Well I will say I hope Trump didn't break a law he himself signed. That would be unfortunate to say the least.

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #845 on: August 10, 2022, 05:49:46 pm »
So if it is an felony to take classified documents (Trump signed it into law himself) and Trump (who is already wishywashy on gun issues) is found guilty, would we want a bitter felon that can't own guns even in the WH? Just thinking out loud, since felons are not barred from running for President.

Yes the above post might be aimed at inflaming some folks...

Those are two insurmountable 'ifs' there.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Sighlass

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,753
  • Didn't vote for McCain Dole Romney Trump !
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #846 on: August 10, 2022, 05:52:01 pm »
Those are two insurmountable 'ifs' there.

Yeah, I don't feel great today and I tend to be a little mean when that occurs, don't mind me throwing turds from the sideline.
Exodus 18:21 Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders over ....

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #847 on: August 10, 2022, 06:05:24 pm »
When it become a felony ? When Trump made removing classified documents a felony....



Maybe you should actually read the statute instead of posting a photo of it from some leftwing website.



18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924



How nice of Congress to exempt themselves from this statute.  But the key bits are in sections 'a' and 'c'.  Section 'c' specifically pertains to "classified" documents (i.e. documents affecting national security).  Such documents have ZERO to do with this Maralago search.  And then there's Section 'a' which applies only to officers, employees, contractors, or consultants of the United States.  Trump was none of these when he gained possession of these documents shipped to him by the GSA after he left office.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,384
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #848 on: August 10, 2022, 06:16:31 pm »
Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Jack Phillips  |  August 10, 2022


The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

The FBI declined to comment when contacted by The Epoch Times, and the Justice Department has not responded to several requests for comment.

As for the White House, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said President Joe Biden was not aware  .  .  .

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-orders-department-of-justice-to-respond-to-requests-to-unseal-fbis-trump-warrant_4655899.html
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,133
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #849 on: August 10, 2022, 06:23:50 pm »
Then obviously that makes the opposite true - Others CAN mess with election law, and others CAN certify it.

Be careful what you wish for. Because what you wish for is our doom.
You now are making no sense.

This has to do with the petition to the US SCOTUS on Texas vs Pennsylvania submitted/supported by AGs of 20 states.

This is a fundamental constitutional issue only between states, with SCOTUS as arbiter.  This is not an election issue.

Try to keep up.
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell