BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago

[roamer_1]

This ultimately comes down to the fourth branch of government.  Here in Georgia, we knew in April 2020 that the Secretary of State was violating the law.  We did nothing.  May?  Same thing.  June, July, August, September?  Same thing.  Then in October, the Secretary of State signed off on making changes to the code on all voting machines without recertifying - again in violation of State law.  And what did we do?  Nothing.

And then we have election day.  So far so good.  Yet in the days following election day, law after law after law was violated.  And we did nothing.  And because we did nothing, we allowed our Secretary of State to effectively select the winners of every election.  And there is nothing the State of Texas can do to change that.

In the end, that's right. Though the People still have their remedy - by disabusing those that took their power of their offices in the next election cycle.

[Kamaji]

They could have photocopied the contents of each box within minutes.  Which allowed them plenty of time to break into an empty safe, rummage through Trump's personal effects, and sniff around Melania's closet.  Again, if they knew in advance the identity and location of what they were seeking, they could have wrapped that up within 30 min.  Not only that, the warrant would have been limited to that specific area based on the sworn affidavit of said informant.

The originals are the subject of the warrant, not photocopies.  And an inventory has to be done, which normally requires some sort of description of the documents. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Judges have a little wiggle room on the details they must have in a search warrant but not much.

If your search warrant says you're searching the bedroom and office of X at their residence Y for items related to Z you can't go snooping in the garage or any out buildings and "discover" something. Any evidence you find outside the scope of the warrant is inadmissible.

The cops would have to stop call the judge and get the building, car room etc added to the warrant to be able to lawfully search the new area.

Add to that the fact that the FBI lies to Judges & Magistrates all the time.  Just ask Carter Page.  They can get a warrant to search a ham sandwich.

[libertybele]

Unless what they were looking for has nothing to do with Chain of Evidence and more about retrieving something Tumpy was holding over someone else... 

Very probable.  He knows China owns Joe, he knows that Joe and Hunter were involved in Ukraine, and I would guess he probably knows a few things about the Clintons.  If he has (or now had) incriminating evidence he should have used it already. 

Fauci, Brix, Pelosi, Pence, and the swamp.  He knows very well what they've done and what they are doing.

[roamer_1]

State sovereignty in federal elections is not absolute as it most decidedly affects other states.

Yes, in fact, it is.

Or does the US Constitution mean nothing to you?

It is the Constitution that I am relying upon.
The founders left NO remedy beyond or exceeding the state legislatures in their own sovereignty.
That firewall was very purposefully laid.

To breach it will have unintended consequences.

[roamer_1]

Very probable.  He knows China owns Joe, he knows that Joe and Hunter were involved in Ukraine, and I would guess he probably knows a few things about the Clintons.  If he has (or now had) incriminating evidence he should have used it already. 

Fauci, Brix, Pelosi, Pence, and the swamp.  He knows very well what they've done and what they are doing.

And he would be a fool to leave such things laying around the house... That they went looking seems an act of desperation.

But then, we won't know one way or another until that card gets played. If it can be played. 

[Hoodat]

The originals are the subject of the warrant, not photocopies.  And an inventory has to be done, which normally requires some sort of description of the documents.

Photocopies ARE the inventory.  You hand the photocopies to the resident upon leaving.  The hard disk of the copier proves what was copied.  And the defendant knows exactly what was taken.  It is the best accounting one could possibly have.

[Hoodat]

In the end, that's right. Though the People still have their remedy - by disabusing those that took their power of their offices in the next election cycle.

Which did not happen in this year's GOP Primary.  I'll be voting Libertarian in November.

[catfish1957]

Melania better check her handbags and shoes when she gets back to make sure nothing is missing..some of her handbags cost over 30k...

I'd be more worried about what they added as far as tracking devices.

[Kamaji]

Photocopies ARE the inventory.  You hand the photocopies to the resident upon leaving.  The hard disk of the copier proves what was copied.  And the defendant knows exactly what was taken.  It is the best accounting one could possibly have.

That doesnt mean that that’s the only way to conduct an inventory.  Second, you have no idea how many documents there were, how they were bound, not whether there was a photocopier on site that could be used. 

Why build up all this silly speculation when the bottom line is this:  unless they seized proof positive that Trump gave the nuclear codes to the Russians or the Chinese, or something of equal import, this search was inexcusable and politically motivated?  The Obama administration engaged in similar shenanigans, as did Clinton, without any similar consequences whatsoever.  So if the basis for the search was that Trump failed to turn over some cocktail napkins on which the NK dictator had written, then it’s clear that the whole thing was politically motivated, even if the search was a textbook example of a proper search. 

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1557429728776110080

[txradioguy]

It is up to the Penn state legislature to hoe that row... and barring them, then the People of Penn must provide remedy. That's all there is.

Exactly.

[roamer_1]

Which did not happen in this year's GOP Primary.  I'll be voting Libertarian in November.

And I don't blame you for that in the least. It's all that's left you. 

[Hoodat]

Why build up all this silly speculation when the bottom line is this:  unless they seized proof positive that Trump gave the nuclear codes to the Russians or the Chinese, or something of equal import, this search was inexcusable and politically motivated?

My point goes beyond that.  Not only was it inexcusable and politically motivated.  It was highly personal.  They spent nine hours taking over complete possession of a private residence, 30+ people trespassing over highly personal areas for nine friggin' hours when they could have been in and out in 30 min.  And on top of that, they denied him personal counsel as well as denied him a video account of the search by intentionally disabling video equipment.  This was one big personal powerplay FU to Trump, and it was our own Justice Department that did it.

[Bigun]

@txradioguy @Bigun

I get the sense that "stuff" is as specific as the current US Goobermint needs to come.

After all,their courts,their justices,their rules.

Yeah,you can appeal it and spend every dime you have getting lawyers to file briefs for years,but by the time you win on appeal and get the charges dropped,you will be broke and living in a State Farm for Fools and have a drip cut attached to your wheelchair.

I think you have a firm grasp of the situation @sneakypete

[Hoodat]

I think you have a firm grasp of the situation @sneakypete

Don't underestimate @sneakypete .  He can be a freaking genius when he wants to be.

[Bigun]

Obviously, the SCOTUS did not agree, @Bigun - And like I said before, I don't know the rules were changed in the middle of the game - As the sole author and arbiter, the state legislature would seem to be the ones to determine that... THEY would have standing - Not the state of Texas, or the SCOTUS. Their acquiescence is acceptance, as they are their own remedy.

And we need not beat this to death yet again.

I agree with your last sentence as IIRC this is something SCOTUS has agreed to take up in the fall. @roamer_1

[Kamaji]

My point goes beyond that.  Not only was it inexcusable and politically motivated.  It was highly personal.  They spent nine hours taking over complete possession of a private residence, 30+ people trespassing over highly personal areas for nine friggin' hours when they could have been in and out in 30 min.  And on top of that, they denied him personal counsel as well as denied him a video account of the search by intentionally disabling video equipment.  This was one big personal powerplay FU to Trump, and it was our own Justice Department that did it.

I very seriously doubt they could have been in and out in 30 minutes.  I also doubt that a quickie raid would have been any the less threatening than a 9 hour raid, particularly given that Trump was not personally present at the time and was not restricted or limited during that time.

[Bigun]

In the case of Pennsylvania they weren't the sole arbiter though. Mark Elias and the AG for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...who is running for Governor by the way...circumvented the state and federal constitution in this instance.

You are 100% correct @txradioguy

[Bigun]

It has to adequately describe the evidence being sought for.

Yes! And EVERYTHING that is removed has to be cataloged and the subject given a receipt.

[Kamaji]

Yes! And EVERYTHING that is removed has to be cataloged and the subject given a receipt.

Yes.

[Bigun]

It depends on whether they did a full inventory on-site and how long it took to do the inventory.  If they pulled each document out of those 15 boxes and wrote a description of each, then it could very well have taken 9 hours or so.

ALL of the reporting I have seen thus far says that they did not do that! They took boxes they hadn't even opened.

[roamer_1]

My point goes beyond that.  [...] This was one big personal powerplay FU to Trump, and it was our own Justice Department that did it.

That's right - But I bet there is a purpose beyond that... He has something he can put in play... And somebody wants it. Probably to remove it from play. Or something like that.

Obviously they were not concerned with legalities. So there is another motive outside of legalities.

[Bigun]

Add to that the fact that the FBI lies to Judges & Magistrates all the time.  Just ask Carter Page.  They can get a warrant to search a ham sandwich.

Every hear the phrase "Fruit of the poison tree"?

[Kamaji]

ALL of the reporting I have seen thus far says that they did not do that! They took boxes they hadn't even opened.

I'm not seeing anything that states or implies that.

[Bigun]

I'm not seeing anything that states or implies that.

And thus far I have not seen anything that says anything but what I said earlier.

[Cyber Liberty]

I very seriously doubt they could have been in and out in 30 minutes.  I also doubt that a quickie raid would have been any the less threatening than a 9 hour raid, particularly given that Trump was not personally present at the time and was not restricted or limited during that time.

He wasn't restricted, but his legal counsel was.  I still don't know if they let her see the Warrant, there seems to be an issue there.

[Cyber Liberty]

Every hear the phrase "Fruit of the poison tree"?

Sloe Joe has plenty of Judges lined up to ignore that principle.

[Kamaji]

And thus far I have not seen anything that says anything but what I said earlier.

A cite would be helpful, then.

[roamer_1]

Sloe Joe has plenty of Judges lined up to ignore that principle.

Or evidence was never the point of the action.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm not seeing anything that states or implies that.

I don't know either way.  Nobody has said what condition the boxes were in before the Feebs started rifling them, they could have been opened already.  All we know for sure is the boxes were taped when they came out of the house.

[Kamaji]

He wasn't restricted, but his legal counsel was.  I still don't know if they let her see the Warrant, there seems to be an issue there.

According to a CNBC story that quotes Trump's attorney, a copy of the warrant was left at the premises and she reviewed it, at least briefly:

The attorney, Christina Bobb, also told NBC on Tuesday that a copy of the search warrant that FBI agents left at the Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach indicated agents are investigating possible violations of laws related to the Presidential Records Act and the handling of classified material.

Source:  https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/fbi-seized-boxes-in-trump-raid-in-florida-lawyer-says.html

[Cyber Liberty]

Or evidence was never the point of the action.

I believe that is really the case.

[Kamaji]

I don't know either way.  Nobody has said what condition the boxes were in before the Feebs started rifling them, they could have been opened already.  All we know for sure is the boxes were taped when they came out of the house.

They should generally be taped - and sealed in a provable manner - in order to establish chain of custody as they leave the premises.

[Cyber Liberty]

According to a CNBC story that quotes Trump's attorney, a copy of the warrant was left at the premises and she reviewed it, at least briefly:

Source:  https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/fbi-seized-boxes-in-trump-raid-in-florida-lawyer-says.html

[roamer_1]

I believe that is really the case.

Most likely. Or somebody blew it big time... And gave Tumpy a butt-ton of ammo.

[Cyber Liberty]

They should generally be taped - and sealed in a provable manner - in order to establish chain of custody as they leave the premises.

Yes, I can see that.  That's how evidence is supposed to be handled and I have no reason to doubt that they were.  But there is still no way of knowing if they opened the boxes during the search.  I am sure they did, and that's why they were there for 9 hours.  Document "boxes" can hold thousands of sheets of paper. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Most likely. Or somebody blew it big time... And gave Tumpy a butt-ton of ammo.

Those two are certainly not mutually exclusive.   

[roamer_1]

Those two are certainly not mutually exclusive.   

LOL! That's right. 

[Kamaji]

Yes, I can see that.  That's how evidence is supposed to be handled and I have no reason to doubt that they were.  But there is still no way of knowing if they opened the boxes during the search.  I am sure they did, and that's why they were there for 9 hours.  Document "boxes" can hold thousands of sheets of paper. 

Until there is evidence otherwise, I would assume that they went through the boxes, did an inventory, and then sealed them in order to maintain chain of custody.

[roamer_1]

They should generally be taped - and sealed in a provable manner - in order to establish chain of custody as they leave the premises.

Then that would be evidence tape - clearly visible on the box. Packing tape would imply that the boxes were unopened, or opened, resealed, and not holding evidence.

[Kamaji]

Then that would be evidence tape - clearly visible on the box. Packing tape would imply that the boxes were unopened, or opened, resealed, and not holding evidence.

Maybe so, maybe not.  Do you have upclose photographs of these boxes as they exited the premises?

[rustynail]

There may be video of an Agent sniffing underwear.  That might be why the are demanding the surveillance videos.

[roamer_1]

Maybe so, maybe not.  Do you have upclose photographs of these boxes as they exited the premises?

NOPE. I ain't that interested. But I am fairly familiar with evidence tape and its use, through other means. 

[Kamaji]

NOPE. I ain't that interested. But I am fairly familiar with evidence tape and its use, through other means. 

Then we don't know, do we?

[mystery-ak]

 Trump team won’t release copy of Mar-a-Lago FBI raid warrant
By Callie Patteson   
August 10, 2022 1:40pm

Former President Donald Trump and his legal team have no plans to release a copy of the search warrant used to raid Mar-a-Lago on Monday, leaving it up to the Department of Justice to detail the reasons for the unprecedented operation, according to a new report.

“No, we’re not releasing a copy of the warrant,” NBC News quoted a source close to the 45th president as saying.

Trump attorney Christina Bobb did not immediately respond to a request for confirmation from The Post.

The report comes one day after Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray requesting details on the evidence used to justify the raid.

“I would assume that an escalation of this magnitude — for the Bureau to obtain a court-ordered search warrant and conduct an unannounced search, for the first time in our country’s history, to seize documents stored at a former president’s residence — would indicate that the Federal government perceived something in those documents posed a serious, ongoing threat to our national security,” Turner wrote.

“As such, the evidentiary basis presented to the court to justify the necessity of this warrant is of keen interest to the investigative and legislative activities of this Committee.”

more
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/

[Kamaji]

Trump team won’t release copy of Mar-a-Lago FBI raid warrant
By Callie Patteson   
August 10, 2022 1:40pm

Former President Donald Trump and his legal team have no plans to release a copy of the search warrant used to raid Mar-a-Lago on Monday, leaving it up to the Department of Justice to detail the reasons for the unprecedented operation, according to a new report.

“No, we’re not releasing a copy of the warrant,” NBC News quoted a source close to the 45th president as saying.

Trump attorney Christina Bobb did not immediately respond to a request for confirmation from The Post.

The report comes one day after Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray requesting details on the evidence used to justify the raid.

“I would assume that an escalation of this magnitude — for the Bureau to obtain a court-ordered search warrant and conduct an unannounced search, for the first time in our country’s history, to seize documents stored at a former president’s residence — would indicate that the Federal government perceived something in those documents posed a serious, ongoing threat to our national security,” Turner wrote.

“As such, the evidentiary basis presented to the court to justify the necessity of this warrant is of keen interest to the investigative and legislative activities of this Committee.”

more
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/

Why is Trump choosing to not disclose the warrant?

[mystery-ak]

 

HUGE DEVELOPMENT: Report Alleges FBI “Had Personal Stake” in Mar-a-Lago Raid – Agents Were After Spygate Documents Trump Was Holding That Likely Implicated FBI
By Jim Hoft
Published August 10, 2022 at 12:55pm

New details on Mar-a-Lago raid come to light

As reported earlier today — President Trump declassified a binder on January 19th, 2021 that contains hundreds of pages about the Crossfire Hurricane scandal. It contains damaging information about the corrupt actors involved with our government. Two different DOJ Attorney General’s have defied President Trump’s direct lawful order to publish the binder in the Federal Register. It’s been 19 months as the DOJ defies the order, and every FOIA request to make it public. Can we now raid the homes of acting AG Monty Wilkinson, and Merrick Garland?



The DOJ had already made redactions to protect sources & methods, and returned the binder back to the White House. But the corrupt FBI also wanted to hide names. So at the last minute, the DOJ demanded the binder comply with the 1974 Privacy Act. The Act requires any “agency” that releases records to also hide personal or identifiable name information. The DOJ knew this Act doesn’t apply to the White House, it was a stall tactic. The courts decided this 22 years ago that the Privacy Act was based around FOIA requests, and the White House is not an agency.

more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/huge-development-report-shows-fbi-personal-stake-mar-lago-raid-agents-spygate-documents-trump-holding-likely-indicted-fbi/

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Why is Trump choosing to not disclose the warrant?

TOS is claiming his lawyers never got it. 

[Kamaji]

TOS is claiming his lawyers never got it. 

One of his lawyers appears to have stated otherwise.