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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #225 on: March 11, 2021, 01:00:53 am »
He's Superman, not Clark Kent.

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WHY should he be humble? So other people can feel better about themselves?
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #226 on: March 11, 2021, 01:02:26 am »
The people revolted against the revolting line-up and just LOVED Trump, because Trump was the first, and only, candidate in 28 years who FOUGHT BACK.  And that's why the Americans still love their president and gave him his second term in 2020.

If he runs in 2024, he'll get a third term, too.

He's not going to coddle the RINO insiders who have spent their careers betraying everyone who voted for them.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Sorry pal... But this post is primary evidence that there's a sucker born every day.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #227 on: March 11, 2021, 01:05:15 am »
But Trump has decided to starve the GOP RINO Financing Operation by setting up his own PAC and bypassing the RINO Funding goons...both taking their money away from them and then letting the money out to (hopefully) non-RINO candidates.

The GOP is not happy about this.

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That means it is a GOOD thing.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #228 on: March 11, 2021, 01:12:02 am »
You're right, of course. It is folly to continue to pursue the GOP because at the top, and in most of the places that matter it is thoroughly corrupt. If the past 4 years didn't hammer that point home, I don't know what will, maybe another 40 or 50 years of hitting that same button and getting the same results (as if there will even be a USA by then).

Yes.

He's absolutely right.  He should take his principles, and, with the other five people who agree with him, set up his own political party to fight the Giants.

Of course, maybe he should look to the history of what third parties accomplish before he runs away with his sorry little principles, but people like that can't be bothered with reality.

Reality is such a bore.  Reality says if those people with all their pretty principles do what they want to do, run away and hide in a corner, they can't accomplish what they want to accomplish.   Reality is most definitely not a friendly lady.

But rather than whining all the time about their missing principles, as if their betters don't have a stronger set of principles themselves, why don't they run along and set up that third party and stop crying in public?  Nobody cares about what useless people standing on stainless steel soapboxes do or say or feel.   After a very short while they're just a bothersome annoyance and in the way of constructive discussion and action.

MY principle says America can't be healed until the Americans win reliably at the ballot box and start cleaning up the country.  Reagan was only the first step, and the RINOs undid what he accomplished in one term.   Trump was the second step, and the RINO and Principled Whiners have succeeded in dissolving Trump's accomplishments in six weeks.   

Which means we're supposed to give up and cry, according to the Principled Whiners.

According to the Americans, it means we have to fight harder.

But, go ahead, let your tears flow if it makes you happy.   
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #229 on: March 11, 2021, 01:13:39 am »
@Sled Dog

That means it is a GOOD thing.

It certainly is.

It's a sign that they're not happy when You-Tube censors Trump's entire CPAC speech.

I think Americans should go to Rodent Rallies wearing Trump Won shirts and hats, just to make You Tube censor the events.
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #230 on: March 11, 2021, 01:14:30 am »
ROTFLMAO!!!

Sorry pal... But this post is primary evidence that there's a sucker born every day.
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Yes.  Those bottom feeders spend their life crying about how Trump wasn't Jesus.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #231 on: March 11, 2021, 01:34:28 am »
Yes.

He's absolutely right.  He should take his principles, and, with the other five people who agree with him, set up his own political party to fight the Giants.

Of course, maybe he should look to the history of what third parties accomplish before he runs away with his sorry little principles, but people like that can't be bothered with reality.

Reality is such a bore.  Reality says if those people with all their pretty principles do what they want to do, run away and hide in a corner, they can't accomplish what they want to accomplish.   Reality is most definitely not a friendly lady.

But rather than whining all the time about their missing principles, as if their betters don't have a stronger set of principles themselves, why don't they run along and set up that third party and stop crying in public?  Nobody cares about what useless people standing on stainless steel soapboxes do or say or feel.   After a very short while they're just a bothersome annoyance and in the way of constructive discussion and action.

MY principle says America can't be healed until the Americans win reliably at the ballot box and start cleaning up the country.  Reagan was only the first step, and the RINOs undid what he accomplished in one term.   Trump was the second step, and the RINO and Principled Whiners have succeeded in dissolving Trump's accomplishments in six weeks.   

Which means we're supposed to give up and cry, according to the Principled Whiners.

According to the Americans, it means we have to fight harder.

But, go ahead, let your tears flow if it makes you happy.   

And your latest diatribe shows your ignorance - They are not MY principles.
They are not YOUR principles.

Principles are TRUE things. Things proven over and over and over again, throughout the history of Man, whether you or I know of them or not.

But being proven true time and time again, proven to ALWAYS be true, fighting against them is doomed to fail every_single_time. Yes, I will take principles over your flailing fight - Because those principles have never been wrong... So you will be. Simple as that.

Conservatism is about those principles. Tread them under at your peril.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #232 on: March 11, 2021, 01:44:26 am »
He's met with McCarthy and made comments about getting people elected in '22.  McCarthy is an insider which doesn't set well with me.  I

McCarthy's also the Minority Leader in the House @libertybele   But I wouldn't worry about the meeting.  What jumped out at me from the photo released from the meeting is for the first time Trump's signature "thumbs up" is missing.  I'm guessing they are not on the same page.



FWIW, Trump's meeting with lots and lots of folks down at Mar a Lago.  Just last weekend he met with Gov. Noem. 

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #233 on: March 11, 2021, 01:50:49 am »
McCarthy's also the Minority Leader in the House @libertybele   But I wouldn't worry about the meeting.  What jumped out at me from the photo released from the meeting is for the first time Trump's signature "thumbs up" is missing.  I'm guessing they are not on the same page.



FWIW, Trump's meeting with lots and lots of folks down at Mar a Lago.  Just last weekend he met with Gov. Noem.

And Nikki Haley was told to go pound sand.  That gets my thumbs up.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #234 on: March 11, 2021, 02:00:24 am »
McCarthy's also the Minority Leader in the House @libertybele   But I wouldn't worry about the meeting.  What jumped out at me from the photo released from the meeting is for the first time Trump's signature "thumbs up" is missing.  I'm guessing they are not on the same page.



FWIW, Trump's meeting with lots and lots of folks down at Mar a Lago.  Just last weekend he met with Gov. Noem.

Good observation; I'm not as in tune with Trump as you are and haven't paid attention to the "thumbs up".

 Meeting with Noem is a positive. I remember the protesters trying to block people from attending the speech at Rushmore and she had things fairly under control.  I've been very impressed with her ever since her speech that night.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #235 on: March 11, 2021, 02:01:38 am »
And Nikki Haley was told to go pound sand.  That gets my thumbs up.

I hope Haley's career is pretty much over.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #236 on: March 11, 2021, 02:05:29 am »
Principles are TRUE things. Things proven over and over and over again,  ...

I don't know if we call these "principles", but in the political arena these things have been proven over and over and over again:

* A growing plurality of voters will choose the side giving away the free stuff they think they need,
* A majority of voters want government to stay out of everyone's bedroom,
* A majority of women voters believe "my body, my choice",
* A plurality of women voters will accept assistance from the government in raising their children,
* A majority of voters want to be thought of as socially compassionate, empathetic and forward thinking,
* A growing plurality of voters believe global warming is a genuine threat

How do you reconcile your principles with these   pointing-up  ?


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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #237 on: March 11, 2021, 02:18:20 am »
I don't know if we call these "principles", but in the political arena these things have been proven over and over and over again:

* A majority of voters will choose the side giving away the free stuff they think they need,
* A majority of voters want government to stay out of everyone's bedroom,
* A majority of women voters believe "my body, my choice",
* A plurality of women voters will accept assistance from the government in raising their children,
* A majority of voters want to be thought of as socially compassionate, empathetic and forward thinking,
* A growing plurality of voters believe global warming is a genuine threat

How do you reconcile your principles with these   pointing-up  ?

I don't have to reconcile them. Am I to support fairy tales? I don't give a single crap what people think. Like I said, I care about what has been proven TRUE many times over the history of Man.

All the rest is a smoke show. First, do no harm. No doubt it is popular to have the federal government do many things. All that is incidental to the truth.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #238 on: March 11, 2021, 02:23:51 am »
I don't have to reconcile them. Am I to support fairy tales? I don't give a single crap what people think. ...

Okay ... and thanks for confirming you're playing preacher man, and your input has zero to do with a discussion on politics or political strategy.  This is a little odd in the Politics Forum --- maybe you should start a petition for an All Things Religion Forum.





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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #239 on: March 11, 2021, 02:30:41 am »
Okay ... and thanks for confirming you're playing preacher man, and your input has zero to do with a discussion on politics or political strategy.  This is a little odd in the Politics Forum --- maybe you should start a petition for an All Things Religion Forum.

What political strategy is 'winning' for conservatism that entertains liberal nonsense? The two are antithetical.

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« Reply #240 on: March 11, 2021, 02:49:02 am »
What political strategy is 'winning' for conservatism that entertains liberal nonsense? The two are antithetical.

You're preaching eternal principles, not political ones; and political principles/strategies are the cornerstone of a Politics Forum.  Please, talk with the powers that be about getting your own section of the site for your religious musings.  I'm sure you'll encourage lively debate there on eternal/religious principles.

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« Reply #241 on: March 11, 2021, 03:32:31 am »
You're preaching eternal principles, not political ones; and political principles/strategies are the cornerstone of a Politics Forum.  Please, talk with the powers that be about getting your own section of the site for your religious musings.  I'm sure you'll encourage lively debate there on eternal/religious principles.

No, they are not... The whole point of Conservatism as it touches politics is to support each-the-other between the Conservative political factions... And prerequisite in that support are their closely held principles, which unarguably intertwine - Those true things are what we are all supposed to be fighting for and defending.

I don't care that you wander off into something else, but then don't consider it to be Conservatism.

You want to be a populist, knock yourself out. But that does not relate to Conservatism at all.

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« Reply #242 on: March 11, 2021, 04:42:54 am »
Of course, maybe he should look to the history of what third parties accomplish before he runs away with his sorry little principles, but people like that can't be bothered with reality.

Reality is such a bore.  Reality says if those people with all their pretty principles do what they want to do, run away and hide in a corner, they can't accomplish what they want to accomplish.   Reality is most definitely not a friendly lady.

But rather than whining all the time about their missing principles, as if their betters don't have a stronger set of principles themselves, why don't they run along and set up that third party and stop crying in public?  Nobody cares about what useless people standing on stainless steel soapboxes do or say or feel.   After a very short while they're just a bothersome annoyance and in the way of constructive discussion and action.

This is the exact same speech the GOPe has been feeding me my whole life.  It is the same speech they fed Reagan in 1976 and tried to feed him in 1980.  It is the same speech given by those who gave us George HW Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney.  It was the one given to George W. Bush in 2006 when he tried to privatize Social Security.  And now we have to hear it again from you.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #243 on: March 11, 2021, 04:46:03 am »
Okay ... and thanks for confirming you're playing preacher man, and your input has zero to do with a discussion on politics or political strategy.  This is a little odd in the Politics Forum --- maybe you should start a petition for an All Things Religion Forum.

All the things from that list are destroying the country.  And your answer is to climb on board and step on the gas.  Maybe you should start a petition for a Democrat-Lite forum.
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« Reply #244 on: March 11, 2021, 04:50:15 am »
In fact, there are many here who know exactly where I am coming from... And agree.

Count me among those, @roamer_1

Forgive me for being a romantic though.  I am still holding out for that face-to-face meeting with John Galt before checking out.  Either that, or seeing Ellis Wyatt torch his oil fields.  In either event, I'll be heading to Roamer's Gulch afterwards starting a new career.
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« Reply #245 on: March 11, 2021, 05:00:26 am »
Count me among those, @roamer_1

Forgive me for being a romantic though.  I am still holding out for that face-to-face meeting with John Galt before checking out.  Either that, or seeing Ellis Wyatt torch his oil fields.  In either event, I'll be heading to Roamer's Gulch afterwards starting a new career.

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« Reply #246 on: March 11, 2021, 05:02:32 am »
All the things from that list are destroying the country.  And your answer is to climb on board and step on the gas.  Maybe you should start a petition for a Democrat-Lite forum.

Exactly right. But that's 'fighting liberalism' somehow...  :shrug: :whistle: :laugh:

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« Reply #247 on: March 11, 2021, 05:03:53 am »
This is the exact same speech the GOPe has been feeding me my whole life.  It is the same speech they fed Reagan in 1976 and tried to feed him in 1980.  It is the same speech given by those who gave us George HW Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney.  It was the one given to George W. Bush in 2006 when he tried to privatize Social Security.  And now we have to hear it again from you.

I know, right?  :beer:


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« Reply #248 on: March 11, 2021, 05:15:12 am »
The whole point of Conservatism as it touches politics is to support each-the-other between the Conservative political factions...

I truly don't understand what you mean by this --- but I'd like to.   @roamer_1 .


And prerequisite in that support are their closely held principles, which unarguably intertwine - Those true things are what we are all supposed to be fighting for and defending.

When a conservative enters the political arena victory requires from them what it requires from a liberal candidate**: Convince enough people that deeply held principles do, indeed, intertwine between he or she and the voter. 

As I posted above, these six "principles" are deeply held by an increasing number of Americans:

> A growing plurality of voters will choose the side giving away the free stuff they think they need,
> A majority of voters want government to stay out of everyone's bedroom,
> A majority of women voters believe "my body, my choice",
> A plurality of women voters will accept assistance from the government in raising their children,
> A majority of voters want to be thought of as socially compassionate, empathetic and forward thinking,
> A growing plurality of voters believe global warming is a genuine threat

If you're a conservative candidate for national office, where is your intersect with  pointing-up  these principles and the American voters who hold them?


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« Reply #249 on: March 11, 2021, 05:24:01 am »
All the things from that list are destroying the country.  And your answer is to climb on board and step on the gas.  Maybe you should start a petition for a Democrat-Lite forum.

No, not at all @Hoodat   I'm trying very hard to force someone, anyone, to think strategically.  We can't write off 1/2 the country because we assume they're dead to us.  (Well, not if we really want to win an election)

What do we do with these folks: ?

> A growing plurality of voters will choose the side giving away the free stuff they think they need,
> A majority of voters want government to stay out of everyone's bedroom,
> A majority of women voters believe "my body, my choice",
> A plurality of women voters will accept assistance from the government in raising their children,
> A majority of voters want to be thought of as socially compassionate, empathetic and forward thinking,
> A growing plurality of voters believe global warming is a genuine threat

If you're a conservative candidate for national office, where is your intersect with  pointing-up  these principles and the American voters who hold them?

We better come up with a plan, and soon.  (Hint:  Where does DJT intersect with 75+ million Americans?)





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