Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[Elderberry]

Hand sanitizer:

1c Aloe Vera gel
2/3 c. isopropyl alchohol (shine/everclear/vodka works in a pinch)

@roamer_1

You got that ratio all wrong.  Its 1 to 2

1/3 cup Aloe Vera gel
2/3 cup 91% isopropanol or everclear.

[Cyber Liberty]

RIGHT. Which is why hot likker works too. 

Yes.  I have a bottle of Everclear in the bar.  I was going to use it to soak some cherry bombs.  Much better results than using Vodka.

[Bigun]

The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy

[Formerly Once-Ler]

The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy

That is the perfect font size for this unsourced breathless drivel.

[musiclady]

The election has been postponed by the Ohio Department of Health.

Official Election Day is now June 2nd.

This is a good thing.

[Hoodat]

That is the perfect font size for this unsourced breathless drivel.

Unsourced?

https://canadafreepress.com/members/1/SherZieve/160

[Free Vulcan]

Except ... the virus and the impact of China was known.  When the first cases started in the U.S., people should have taken some precautions that there might be a possibility that it could spread here and we could be on lockdown.  Buying a roll or two of xtra toilet paper and paper towels, is doable for most people. 

I've learned living in the hurricane belt you prepare ahead of time just in case.  Most here have been preparing for the past couple of weeks, but even at that the shelves are bare. Hand sanitizer is still not available.  Sanitizing wipes are also a rare commodity.  Toilet paper and paper towels are still flying off the shelves as well as food.

Amazon still has some paper towels and tp -- just not some of the big name brands.

Because, as I've said here before, the suburbanite worldview + lifestyle will be the death of us all.

Americans love to skate on thin ice then swoop in the last minute + think they can grab everything they need before its gone. Its almost like a game to some people.

[240B]

When I woke up
I was sure I was definitely going to die
Since I have looked Death in the face so many times
All I could do was to ask?
What do you have for me this time?

[DB]

Because, as I've said here before, the suburbanite worldview + lifestyle will be the death of us all.

Americans love to skate on thin ice then swoop in the last minute + think they can grab everything they need before its gone. Its almost like a game to some people.

They haven't known significant shortages of common items for any length of time before. Large parts of the rest of the world have.

Wasn't the last TP shortage in America caused by Johnny Carson?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Unsourced?

https://canadafreepress.com/members/1/SherZieve/160

Thank you for correcting me.  Unsourced is the wrong word "unproven", and "hysterical" are closer.  Is "unevidenced" better?

I am inartful tonight, but my point is you can't say "The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy" and "it, also, appears to be intentional." and offer nothing but a patent that mentions Coronavirus.  The coronavirus was discovered in the mid 1960s.

Do you find the article convincing @Hoodat ?

[DB]

Thank you for correcting me.  Unsourced is the wrong word "unproven", and "hysterical" are closer.  Is "unevidenced" better?

I am inartful tonight, but my point is you can't say "The Plan for the Internal Destruction of the USA was Way Too Easy" and "it, also, appears to be intentional." and offer nothing but a patent that mentions Coronavirus.  The coronavirus was discovered in the mid 1960s.

Do you find the article convincing @Hoodat ?

Are you okay?

[DB]

Right. Especially about the mild case end of the spectrum, and the simple reality is that we will not ever know, because the mildest and milder cases won't get tested.

All we have to go on, then are the Chinese numbers, which are questionable, at best. Those, too, may provide a worst case scenario, or the Chinese may have been dropping like flies and getting cremated in pits. There is no way to tell.

What we do have as a profile, is that bar graph showing mortality by age group, and the understanding that virtually every death attributed to COVID-19 also involved other pulmonary, cardiac, or metabolic disorders (diabetes). If you are under 50, if you have no preexisting medical condition, your odds of being killed by this look to be slim.
As age goes up, or in the presence of underlying problems, your risk goes up.

Now, despite that, I ask you which group is being steered toward wholesale panic by the MSM, and why?

I think the answer becomes apparrent, especially considering the political polarization of the MSM, the ardent desire to have ANYTHING they can use against the incumbent in an election year where their candidates suck, and even the oft repeated mantras of how POTUS "didn't do anything", when, despite his orders, those whose job it was to follow those directives and get the job done have failed, not him. We're talking aobut people in bureaucratic polsitions who rose through the ranks over a span of years, in some cases, administrations, who suddenly, despite their alleged leadership in those positions have miserably failed to do what they were told. State Dept personnel and CDC personnel have dropped the ball on this, and somewhere in that mix, the FDA shares some of that.

I'm not playing thatpolitical game, and when the political hyperbole is stripped away, we have an unknown disease, considered very contagious, but at the same time, one which presents unknowns in terms of how serious it is overall in a given population.

THere are clusters where the disease has been relatively devastating, in Washington State Nursing homes, and in the North of Italy, but we don't have enough facts about the groups involved, mostly about those in Washington, universally older, and with preexisting medical problems. As for Italy, at one point the average age of victims was 81 years old, but the numbers have changed, more have died, and we really don't have much to go on, either in terms of knowing what care was available or utilized, nor the general health of the victims.

WHile it pays to be vigilant, to be careful to limit the spread of this, as much as we would say, the flu or other respiratory diseases, this isn't the time to be stripping store shelves, hiding behind our doors (although avoiding crowds may be prudent).

People can and will argue that if everyone stays home the disease won't spread (well, it will, just not as fast), but saying it didn't because of that, might not be entirely correct because mild cases may still continue through segments of the population with few symptoms, and symptoms of such low severity as to be pretty much ignored.

At that point, will the damage done by being overly cautious, even panicked, be more severe than the disease itself? I think so. But everyone needs to evaluate their own risks versus benefits, there, and act accordingly.

Why don't we consider screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater free speech (especially if there isn't a fire)?

Because more will die in the stampede for the exits than would have if they had left the theater in an orderly fashion, and definitely more than if there had been no fire at all.
 
So, in keeping with my general attitude toward this bug, let's calm down, get some useful stats, and consider what is indeed prudent against what might be excessive. We can always panic later.

For those so inclined, I am appalled at the apparent lack of Faith in The Almighty. Be calm. He knows what He is doing.

Thank you for the detailed response. I suspect we are mostly on the same page. It is where you draw the fuzzy line in the absence of reliable data - all of which will have serious consequences wherever it is drawn.

My ability to write well is sorely lacking so I don't express myself very well... I do try though...

[LadyLiberty]

Making sure the IPA is the 91% formula.  The 40% won't work.

91% IPA is correct. On top of that, the formulation has to be 1/3 cup aloe (maybe a tiny bit short of that just to be safe) mixed with 2/3 cup of 91% IPA. The essential oils are only there to make it smell better.  FWIW,  91% IPA has been unavailable everywhere I have looked.

[catfish1957]

91% IPA is correct. On top of that, the formulation has to be 1/3 cup aloe (maybe a tiny bit short of that just to be safe) mixed with 2/3 cup of 91% IPA. The essential oils are only there to make it smell better.  FWIW,  91% IPA has been unavailable everywhere I have looked.

True.  i used to find it pretty easily at Walgreens, but it has appeared that general public has caught on the home made hand sanitizer gig.

[TomSea]

  Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu.
-  https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy

This woman loses credibility saying something like this.  It's like saying, "This is how ignorant I am".

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You got that ratio all wrong.  Its 1 to 2

1/3 cup Aloe Vera gel
2/3 cup 91% isopropanol or everclear.

@Elderberry

Sorry if I did... It's what I have always done... Works for me 

[Smokin Joe]

Let's get a little more perspective on her opinion and worldview, rather than just one line.
From: https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy

And, now the world is—quite literally—shutting down.  Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu.  Humankind seems to have lost its mind and is, now, going along with its self-immolation.  It is, also, providing the globalists with what they have wanted for millennia…total control over humans.  And due to said humans going along with the charade and madness, the Luciferian Left are currently winning.  Folks, isn’t it time to chill out and calm down?  Haven’t we all had enough of this madness?  How long will it be for people to wake up to what’s really going on?  When a panic of this measure is activated, you/we can be certain that something far more insidious is being developed by our enemies—both foreign and domestic—in the shadows and we’re to self-absorbed to see it.  Above all, please remember the one who clears panic and uncertainty from our lives.

Travel restrictions are going up all over. The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is one of a family of viruses that include viruses which cause the common cold. SO far, the flu is a more effective killer, but that might be because it got there first, or perhaps in spite of annual shots and tailored antivirals to eliminate it. Neither are done yet, so all the votes aren't counted, so to speak.
Yes, in the face of this virus, people are practically howling for restrictions they would not tolerate under other circumstances.

Even the death toll so far out of an estimated 330,000,000 people is less than 100--so far, that's 0.00003% (Yes, I know, that number will inevitably go up, the question is how much, and will it equal the number of people the flu sends home to The Almighty this year.)

As always, those with preexisting pulmonary conditions, heart conditions, diabetes, and other health issues are at greater risk of mortality. Those considered elderly are at greater risk also.

All that is really different about this bug is that we haven't dealt with this particular one before.

It really is not the time to go turning the contents of the underwear drawer into macrame projects.

Prudent measures have been taken to slow the progress of the disease.

Have a little Faith in The Almighty, and carry on.

[roamer_1]

Have a little Faith in The Almighty, and carry on.

Absolutely.

Great post!
 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Are you okay?

My wife's a pain in the ass. She's always busting my friggin' agates. My daughter's married to a real loser bastard. And I got a rash so bad on my ass, I can't even sit down. But you know me. I can't complain.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/200-nurses-furloughed-in-new-york-and-connecticut-over-coronavirus-exposure/

200 nurses furloughed in New York, Connecticut over coronavirus exposure

Two hundred nurses employed by an interstate health system in New York and Connecticut have been out of work since potentially being exposed to coronavirus patients, a report said.

The health care workers from Nuvance Health will remain sidelined until they can obtain coronavirus tests to determine if they were infected, according to the Hartford Courant, citing Gov. Ned Lamont.

Lamont was discussing the dire situation at Danbury Hospital, which he said was “at capacity,” on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes” when he made the shocking revelation.

“Well I can tell you, Danbury Hospital is already at capacity. And they have 200 nurses on furlough because they were in contact,” Lamont told host Chris Hayes.

more at link

[Formerly Once-Ler]

[Formerly Once-Ler]

  Commerce around the planet is ending due to a cold virus that appears to be—at its worst—less virulent than the [common] flu.
-  https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-plan-for-the-internal-destruction-of-the-usa-was-way-too-easy

This woman loses credibility saying something like this.  It's like saying, "This is how ignorant I am".

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1239753697275584512

Erick Erickson @EWErickson

For the last several weeks, a number of well-educated people have been telling me that COVID-19 is not new and was actually patented in 2015.  "WTF?!" I thought.  So I went down the rabbit hole to figure it out.  Reminder, even smart people are stupid.

In 2015, Gilead Science patented a drug called remdesivir.  It was designed to fight Ebola, MERS, and other coronaviruses, according to the patent.

In January of 2020, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is where a lot of people believe COVID-19 came from through an accidental release, filed a patent under an international patent treaty.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology waited until China had publicly admitted the extent of the epidemic, then claimed it might have found something.

It appears the Wuhan Institute of Virology stole the chemical composition of Gilead Science's drug and repackaged it as a potential cure or drug to use against COVID-19.

So Gilead Science had to update its patent in January to make clear remdesivir could be used in the treatment of COVID-19.

As a result, conspiracists saw Gilead's patent filing and presumed it had patented COVID-19 in 2015.  It had done no such thing.  But it had to preserve its legal claims when China tried to steal what it had developed.

That required updating its 2015 patent in 2020 and connecting its drug to COVID-19.  The conspiracy theorists latched on to that and started circulating Instagram videos, Facebook memes, and other social media postings claiming COVID-19 was patented in 2015.

10:21 PM · Mar 16, 2020

[Neverdul]

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1239753697275584512

Erick Erickson @EWErickson

For the last several weeks, a number of well-educated people have been telling me that COVID-19 is not new and was actually patented in 2015.  "WTF?!" I thought.  So I went down the rabbit hole to figure it out.  Reminder, even smart people are stupid.

In 2015, Gilead Science patented a drug called remdesivir.  It was designed to fight Ebola, MERS, and other coronaviruses, according to the patent.

In January of 2020, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is where a lot of people believe COVID-19 came from through an accidental release, filed a patent under an international patent treaty.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology waited until China had publicly admitted the extent of the epidemic, then claimed it might have found something.

It appears the Wuhan Institute of Virology stole the chemical composition of Gilead Science's drug and repackaged it as a potential cure or drug to use against COVID-19.

So Gilead Science had to update its patent in January to make clear remdesivir could be used in the treatment of COVID-19.

As a result, conspiracists saw Gilead's patent filing and presumed it had patented COVID-19 in 2015.  It had done no such thing.  But it had to preserve its legal claims when China tried to steal what it had developed.

That required updating its 2015 patent in 2020 and connecting its drug to COVID-19.  The conspiracy theorists latched on to that and started circulating Instagram videos, Facebook memes, and other social media postings claiming COVID-19 was patented in 2015.

10:21 PM · Mar 16, 2020

 

[Gefn]

I got an alert text last night that “Saturday Night Live” is being postponed indefinitely.

And I’m getting daily emails from places I go shopping in that they are closing their bricks and mortar stores but you can still order online.

Now I’m also getting emails from local grocery stores looking for seasonal help now for people to come in and restock shelves if they’ve been laid off and need extra money.

I feel bad for all the people who can’t work from home and need money. In my own apartment complex I’m seeing people leaving fliers under my door saying they’ll run errands for me if I can’t go out, or walk my dog. Babysitting. Anything for a little money.

[Gefn]

This is insane. I got a notification on my Fox News app about some actor I never heard of contracting corona.

If you’re a fan of “The Office”, he  was Michael’s boss and took an instant dislike to Jim Halpert.

[thackney]

They haven't known significant shortages of common items for any length of time before. Large parts of the rest of the world have.

Wasn't the last TP shortage in America caused by Johnny Carson?

The ‘Shortage’ of Bathroom Tissue: Classic Study in Rumor
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html
Feb. 3, 1974

[240B]

is it wrong?
I feel like it is Wrong
For me to laugh at the Coronavirus
And all the people buying toilet paper
I mean comon that is funny

Don't care how you sliced it
that right there is funny

[EdinVA]

is it wrong?
I feel like it is Wrong
For me to laugh at the Coronavirus
And all the people buying toilet paper
I mean comon that is funny

Don't care how you sliced it
that right there is funny

@240B
The choice is to laugh, cry or go nuts....
Worried that so many would buy into the hysteria...  where will that lead us?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Last updated: 3/17 07:15 ET
US Totals
Positive    Negative    Pos + Neg    Pending    Death    Total
4,380      43,072        47,452            1,969    79       49,423


On March 2nd Dr. Stephen Hahn, the F.D.A.’s commissioner, said https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.” [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html [/url] 

2 weeks later we have less than 50K tests run.  I've read South Korea does 10K test daily.  I have a hunch not everyone who wants a test can get a test.

[Elderberry]

Sorry if I did... It's what I have always done... Works for me 

@roamer_1

Your recipe brings the percentage of alcohol below what the CDC calls for to effectively kill viruses.

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html

Many studies have found that sanitizers with an alcohol concentration between 60–95% are more effective at killing germs than those with a lower alcohol concentration or non-alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Hand sanitizers without 60-95% alcohol 1) may not work equally well for many types of germs; and 2) merely reduce the growth of germs rather than kill them outright.

[EdinVA]

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Last updated: 3/17 07:15 ET
US Totals
Positive    Negative    Pos + Neg    Pending    Death    Total
4,380      43,072        47,452            1,969    79       49,423


On March 2nd Dr. Stephen Hahn, the F.D.A.’s commissioner, said "The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.” [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html]"The estimates we’re getting from industry right now, by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed.” [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-tests-fda.html [/url] 

2 weeks later we have less than 50K tests run.  I've read South Korea does 10K test daily.  I have a hunch not everyone who wants a test can get a test.

@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..

If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..

If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?

@EdinVA Thanks for you reply.
If you're infected the purpose of the test would be to treat the virus before your symptoms become too sever to ignore, and perhaps fatal, and to prevent you infecting others.  If you're not infected then you don't need to be tested. 

I find it hard to believe only 50k people wanted to be tested so far, and anecdotal news stories suggest many people already feel sick and want to be tested but can't get them.

[Sighlass]

Your recipe brings the percentage of alcohol below what the CDC calls for to effectively kill viruses.

Can you add a few drops of bleach to up the ante? They may not mix, heck if I know. I always tend to put a few drops on bleach in the dishwater whether it needs it or not... just something I have always done since working for a vet as a youth.

[EdinVA]

@EdinVA Thanks for you reply.
If you're infected the purpose of the test would be to treat the virus before your symptoms become too sever to ignore, and perhaps fatal, and to prevent you infecting others.  If you're not infected then you don't need to be tested. 

I find it hard to believe only 50k people wanted to be tested so far, and anecdotal news stories suggest many people already feel sick and want to be tested but can't get them.

@Once-Ler
It is important that those in "high risk" groups get "special" attention but for the vast majority of folks there really is no treatment that I am aware of, other than the normal rest, fluids, fever and isolate..

[thackney]

Can you add a few drops of bleach to up the ante? They may not mix, heck if I know. I always tend to put a few drops on bleach in the dishwater whether it needs it or not... just something I have always done since working for a vet as a youth.

Better to just follow the recipe rather than mix alcohol and bleach.

Rubbing alcohol contains ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, which, when mixed with household bleach containing sodium hypochlorite, will create chloroform and hydrochloric acid, as well as chloroacetone or dichloroacetone. These compounds can cause damage to the nervous system, lungs, kidneys, liver, eyes, and skin.

https://www.thoughtco.com/mixing-bleach-with-alcohol-or-acetone-3980642

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler
It is important that those in "high risk" groups get "special" attention but for the vast majority of folks there really is no treatment that I am aware of, other than the normal rest, fluids, fever and isolate..

@EdinVA
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

Gilead Sciences Initiates Two Phase 3 Studies of Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19
-- U.S. FDA Grants Investigational New Drug Authorization to Study Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19 --

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html

The coronavirus’ grip on the market continues. Since the beginning of February, the S&P 500 has shed 8.5% of its value, a reflection of the effect the outbreak is having on the global economy. Amidst the bloodbath, one specific group of stocks is holding up. These are the drug companies those infected, the public at large and investors are hoping can halt the virus from spreading any further. Gilead Sciences (GILD) is among those leading the search for a treatment and is currently being rewarded by the market. In contrast to the broader market, GILD stock is up 23% year-to-date.

Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Gilead has initiated two Phase III studies in China, one in severe patients and one in patients with moderate symptoms. The trials will have short endpoints (14 days), with the possibility of data readouts in April.

more at link

[Neverdul]

@Once-Ler
But why is the number of tests important?
If your sick, rest, drink lotsa fluids and keep the fever down, isolate..

If your having real issues, call 911.... Why do I need a test?

@EdinVA
@Once-Ler

Having more people tested does several things.

For one thing, knowing how many people are infected and where they are located and how fast it is spreading can help health officials and hospitals prepare for more admissions even if you, as someone who feels only mildly ill doesn’t require hospitalization.

It also gives them a better idea of how many cases there actually are as compared to seasonal flu or colds or other respiratory ailments or even allergies.

It would also indicate if those in your household or those you have been in close contact with may have been exposed and need to self-isolate.

If you are aware you are positive but not sick enough to be hospitalized, while the at home treatment is pretty much the same as for colds and influenza, knowing you are positive for COVID-19 may make you more aware of the complications and seek help earlier, plus if you need to go to the hospital, you can let them know you are positive so they can take extra steps to isolate you.

As this is a novel virus which may become endemic (seasonal) so being able to better understand its scope is very helpful.

“If you are having real issue, call 911…”
 
Should we reach high levels of infections with enough cases serious enough to require a call to 911, you have to hope they come in time and or that there aren’t too many 1st responders (or doctors and nurses) out sick with it too.

[XenaLee]

@EdinVA
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

Gilead Sciences Initiates Two Phase 3 Studies of Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19
-- U.S. FDA Grants Investigational New Drug Authorization to Study Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19 --

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-sciences-could-first-beat-140049667.html

The coronavirus’ grip on the market continues. Since the beginning of February, the S&P 500 has shed 8.5% of its value, a reflection of the effect the outbreak is having on the global economy. Amidst the bloodbath, one specific group of stocks is holding up. These are the drug companies those infected, the public at large and investors are hoping can halt the virus from spreading any further. Gilead Sciences (GILD) is among those leading the search for a treatment and is currently being rewarded by the market. In contrast to the broader market, GILD stock is up 23% year-to-date.

Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Gilead has initiated two Phase III studies in China, one in severe patients and one in patients with moderate symptoms. The trials will have short endpoints (14 days), with the possibility of data readouts in April.

more at link

Remdesivir, one of the company’s existing drugs which was previously tested as a possible treatment for Ebola, is being tested as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Ahem.... being tested does NOT mean it is being administered to the general public yet.

[Sighlass]

Better to just follow the recipe rather than mix alcohol and bleach.

Rubbing alcohol contains ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, which, when mixed with household bleach containing sodium hypochlorite, will create chloroform and hydrochloric acid, as well as chloroacetone or dichloroacetone. These compounds can cause damage to the nervous system, lungs, kidneys, liver, eyes, and skin.

Gotcha, thanks, think I will just take a small bottle of bleach with me and do that instead of the alcohol thing.. so it dries my hands out, had worse. I just trust bleach so much more.

Besides, bleach is Hillary approved as we all know...

[musiclady]

Update:

The Ohio Primary election scheduled for today has officially been postponed until June 2nd.

A judge blocked the Governor’s decision last night, the Ohio Department of Health then cancelled it due to health concerns, and I just read this morning that the (Republican) Ohio Supreme Court officially okayed moving the date.

There are many relieved poll workers and voters today.

I will happily vote absentee and stay at home today.  It will save us a few wipes. 

[EdinVA]

The ‘Shortage’ of Bathroom Tissue: Classic Study in Rumor
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/03/archives/the-shortage-of-bathroom-tissue-a-classic-study-in-rumor-shortage.html
Feb. 3, 1974

@thackney
I was stationed overseas at the time and I found out about the shortage by a letter from my mom.
I decided to help out as we had lotsa tp and wrote the next few letter home on tp.... lol

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Ahem.... being tested does NOT mean it is being administered to the general public yet.

Then wait for an established cure before you get tested @XenaLee

https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html
Hundreds seek drive-up testing; one site closed



Fearing they may be infected with the coronavirus, hundreds have flocked in recent days to the Albuquerque hospitals offering drive-up COVID-19 testing, forcing one of the sites to shut temporarily because of dwindling resources and supplies.

Whitney Marquez, a spokeswoman for Lovelace Medical Center, said Monday that the hospital was temporarily putting its drive-up testing site on hold. The hospital was the first to start offering the service in Albuquerque on Friday evening. The site tested hundreds of people before its resources were taxed.



"Anyone who wants a test can get a test."  President Trump March 7

[XenaLee]

Then wait for an established cure before you get tested @XenaLee

https://www.abqjournal.com/1432738/hundreds-seek-drive-up-testing-forcing-one-site-to-close.html
Hundreds seek drive-up testing; one site closed



Fearing they may be infected with the coronavirus, hundreds have flocked in recent days to the Albuquerque hospitals offering drive-up COVID-19 testing, forcing one of the sites to shut temporarily because of dwindling resources and supplies.

Whitney Marquez, a spokeswoman for Lovelace Medical Center, said Monday that the hospital was temporarily putting its drive-up testing site on hold. The hospital was the first to start offering the service in Albuquerque on Friday evening. The site tested hundreds of people before its resources were taxed.



"Anyone who wants a test can get a test."  President Trump March 7

Yeah, yeah, yeah.   So the president misspoke.   Should have said anyone that "needs" a test (ie that is already showing symptoms) can get a test. 

But I'm not sick and even if I get sick, I won't "need" a test.  I will self-quarantine anyway.

[Jazzhead]

I don't think the intent of any of this is to stop the virus, but rather to slow its spread so the hospital system can keep up. Unfortunately, modern medicine being what it is, we don't have an abundance of hospital beds in this country (and most likely in western Europe as well.)

It is interesting that the western response to the crisis is to shut down the economy rather than do what's been done in the past - build temporary capacity to address acute illness. We all remember pictures from the Spanish flu epidemic of patients being housed in tent cities. Of course, back then it wasn't swiftly understood that large gatherings, like the infamous Philly war bond parade, were spreading the virus like wildfire.

I wonder whether a happy medium would have worked better. Like where we were a week ago, closing sporting events, parades, concerts and similar large gatherings, but not shutting down all "non-essential businesses" as Philadelphia has now done. The latter will grievously harm the economy, especially small businesses and the millions they employ, and will require economic triage of the budget-busting variety. I fear that we were in the sweet spot between caution and overreaction about a week ago, and now have crossed the line where the economic casualties may well eclipse the human ones.

Hopefully as COVID-19 victims recover we will begin to be able to roll out antibody serums in the next few weeks that can address acute infections and help get us to the place where we can doff the economic noose around our necks.

[EdinVA]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.   So the president misspoke.   Should have said anyone that "needs" a test (ie that is already showing symptoms) can get a test. 

But I'm not sick and even if I get sick, I won't "need" a test.  I will self-quarantine anyway.

@XenaLee

exactly!
And the testing will only tell you your condition at that point in time.... not where you will be tomorrow or next week.
And if you test negative, you will likely be more social so the point of testing is???

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Kentucky Derby Being Postponed Until September

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The election has been postponed by the Ohio Department of Health.

Official Election Day is now June 2nd.

This is a good thing.

Not for Biden.  He wants it to proceed so he can win one more and become the presumptive nominee without the bother of Bernie.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

exactly!
And the testing will only tell you your condition at that point in time.... not where you will be tomorrow or next week.
And if you test negative, you will likely be more social so the point of testing is???

Lol... well.... I don't know about that.   I'm not all that social as it is.  No, really (lolol).

Don't like crowds & events (not since I was in my 20's) and only have a small circle of friends, family and neighbors that I associate with.   And coincidentally (not)... they are all "like minded".   
 

[Bigun]

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