Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[skeeter]

I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......

Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......

The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be.  The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be.  The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.

A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive.  A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate.  Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.

Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.

And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing."  Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.

Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse.  It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.

I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.

What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.

[TomSea]

Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
@jmartNYT

Is this a bad response?

Brett McGurk retweeted this.

I do agee, this isn't the right answer.

I do not know who this tweet us from.

Brett McGurk
@brett_mcgurk
This is reckless and insane. The most important job for a president is to protect the American people. Not encourage a free-for-all for precious life-saving resources. No planning to scale production, ensure resources are available in hardest hit areas? Unbelievable. #COVID19

https://mobile.twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1239606823671353344.

[musiclady]

I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.

What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.

Of course life has risks.  And care must be taken every flu season to avoid them if we can. 

But this is fundamentally different and that is verified by the scientific and health communities.  The decisions being made to stop large gatherings are based on science, and not on politics (at least in most places).  OhioHealth is curtailing visitors which does not happen in a normal flu season.  Nursing homes are not allowing visits or tours of facilities  for the sake of the health of their clients. Churches during flu season may stop the handshakes, but they do not close. The Salvation Army doesn't alter their food ministry because of the flu.

This is not the same thing as other risks.  It just isn't.

[musiclady]

I'll second that.

Thank you.

[libertybele]

I have no problem with limiting contact and taking common sense precautions during flu season. It should be done every flu season.

What we are doing now will have a dramatic result, and lives will be saved, which is great. But we all need to be aware of the costs and ask ourselves if we can afford to do this every flu season. Life has risks. If we demand to be kept safe from such risks there are those who will step in and accommodate us but there will be a price and lasting implications.

Except this IS NOT a flu virus.  This virus acts more like pneumonia virus.  I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus.  Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.

Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.

[musiclady]

Except this IS NOT a flu virus.  This virus acts more like pneumonia virus.  I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus.  Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.

Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.

The head of the after school program we volunteer at believes that schools will be closed for the rest of the school year.

She may well be right.

[skeeter]

This is not the same thing as other risks.  It just isn't.

Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?

I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.

Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.

[DB]

Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?

I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.

Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.

It isn't that simple. Many of those flu deaths are people that are very old and are not far from death already. The flu is what pushes them over the edge and so the death is counted as a flu death.

This virus is significantly more potent affecting people that otherwise are not nearly as close to expiring naturally. Yesterday it was reported that in France more than half the people with COVID-19 that were in critical care were less than 50 years old (if I remember correctly). That isn't the normal flu. And it is something for those of us who are mostly healthy but not stellar healthy should be worried about.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm surprised.  There are still quite a few countries that have not be infected with the virus.

What countries have not declared any known cases of coronavirus?

1.         Angola                                          32,866,272

2.         Bahamas                                       393,244

3.         Barbados                                       287,375

4.         Belize                                            397,628

5.         Benin                                             12,123,200

6.         Botswana                                       2,351,627

7.         Burundi                                            11,890,784

8.         Cabo Verde                                    555,987

9.         Chad                                             16,425,864

10.       Comoros                                         869,601

11.       Djibouti                                           988,000

12.       Dominica                                        71,986

13.       El Salvador                                     6,486,205

14.       Eritrea                                             3,546,421

15.       Fiji                                                    896,445

16.       Gambia                                            2,416,668

17.       Grenada                                          112,523

18.       Guatemala                                     17,915,568

19.       Guinea-Bissau                                1,968,001

20.       Haiti                                                 11,402,528

21.       Kiribati                                             119,449

22.       Kyrgyzstan                                      6,524,195

23.       Laos                                                 7,275,560

24.       Lesotho                                            2,142,249

25.       Liberia                                             5,057,681

26.       Libya                                                6,871,292

27.       Madagascar                                   27,691,018

28.       Malawi                                            19,129,952

29.       Mali                                                  20,250,833

30.       Marshall Islands                            59,190

31.       Mauritius                                        1,271,768

32.       Micronesia                                     115,023

33.       Montenegro                                  628,066

34.       Mozambique                                 31,255,435

35.       Myanmar (formerly Burma)           54,409,800

36.       Nauru                                              10,824

37.       Nicaragua                                       6,624,554

38.       Niger                                               24,206,644

39.       North Korea                                   25,778,816

40.       Palau                                                18,094

41.       Papua New Guinea                       8,947,024

42.       Saint Kitts and Nevis                        53,199

43.       Saint Lucia                                      183,627

44.       Samoa                                             198,414

45.       Sao Tome and Principe                    219,159

46.       Sierra Leone                                    7,976,983

47.       Solomon Islands                                 686,884

48.       Somalia                                              15,893,222

49.       South Sudan                                      11,193,725

50.       Suriname                                               586,632

51.       Syria                                                 17,500,658

52.       Tajikistan                                             9,537,645

53.       Tanzania                                            59,734,218

54.       Timor-Leste                                           1,318,445

55.       Tonga                                                       105,695

56.       Turkmenistan                                        6,031,200

57.       Tuvalu                                                    11,792

58.       Uganda                                               45,741,007

59.       Uzbekistan                                          33,469,203

60.       Vanuatu                                                307,145

61.       Yemen                                                 29,825,964

62.       Zambia                                               18,383,955

63.       Zimbabwe                                           14,862,924

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus

Have they tested anyone and received results back?

That is part of the problem, here.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[TomSea]

CNN International
@cnni
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A novel coronavirus vaccine trial in the US has now given a dose to its first participant, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases announced Monday

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1239613170265870342

I saw the video elsewhere that actually showed them injecting this woman in Washington state.

I'm not sure if CNN has it, I saw it elsewhere.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-16-20-intl-hnk/h_6315382240d96163d4d4cbe0b9aafb25?utm_content=2020-03-16T18%3A03%3A04&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNi

[jmyrlefuller]

@TomSea

Thank you for the articles on soap.  I have been criticized for not using hand sanitizers -- the alcohol wreaks havoc with my already severely dry skin -- but soap and water have worked fine for me.

I've been an advocate of old-fashioned bar soap for long before this (and there are no cases in my immediate area yet).

[jmyrlefuller]

Except this IS NOT a flu virus.  This virus acts more like pneumonia virus.  I was corrected in here by a poster (and rightly so) because there is a difference between this virus and the flu virus.  Much more fatal, easily spread and reports are indicating that social distancing and washing hands is the way to contain this.

Again, (sorry for the repeat) we here in SWFL have seen record breaking heat -- and the number of cases in FL just doubled overnight so IMHO there is no indication that once we see warmer temps this will disappear.

Here's the thing about "cases doubling overnight:" there's a lag. There's always a lag. Plus, you factor in how many of these cases are coming from people being repatriated and traveling from infected areas.

That's something being lost in this discussion. We need numbers on community spread—namely, which areas are experiencing it and which ones are not.

[roamer_1]

Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?

I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.

Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.

It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down...  We're gonna be on our lips.

all for Chicken Little.

[Hoodat]

It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down...  We're gonna be on our lips.

all for Chicken Little.

It's as if the MSM wants this to happen.

[Smokin Joe]

It's utter foolishness! the economy will be in the gutter in 2 weeks, and ppl are cheering it. Businesses are closing that will never reopen. Jobs will be lost. delivery systems are breaking down...  We're gonna be on our lips.

all for Chicken Little.

I agree. We still don't have any decent numbers because 80% (for what the statistic is worth) will experience mild symptoms, similar to a cold, and will likely dismiss those symptoms as just that.

If that is the case, and only those presenting with the worst symptoms are being tested, what we are seeing is the worst case scenario in numbers, when reality would present a far lower mortality rate.

Limits on the number of available test kits would ensure those would be used on cases where symptoms were severe enough to suspect the COVID-19 infection, while those assuming it is a cold are just getting by with OTC cold remedies and recovering without ever ticking the meter.

I know, I, for one, (like millions of others with no insurance) would not be running off to the doctor or ER to spend up to a grand to get tested for something I am recovering from, I'll just stay home until I am well.

[Lando Lincoln]

Have they tested anyone and received results back?

That is part of the problem, here.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Exactly Joe.  Exactly.

[roamer_1]

It's as if the MSM wants this to happen.

Gee, ya think?

[musiclady]

Its not like other flu outbreaks because we've never been privy to a case by case narrative on its progress. Is a death by Coronavirus somehow worse than the 20-80k US deaths during a 'normal' flu season?

I think we're overreacting. Some lives will be saved this flu season - a very good thing - that won't be saved in subsequent flu seasons that do not receive the same level of attention.

Meanwhile I hope someone counts the cost in economic and other hardship this unusual reaction will cause, because we should all know what are the complete consequences of this course our media are inspiring and our leaders are pursuing.

I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.

This is different.  We will recover, but this is different.

[Hoodat]

Julie Bosman
@juliebosman
Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
@jmartNYT

Is this a bad response?

Not if you look at the context in which it is written.  Trump went on to say, “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”  This is the correct response.  The governors are responsible for the welfare of their prospective States.  They are ultimately in charge of securing what their State needs.  And if they are having difficulty getting something, at that point then they should call the federal government.  Makes perfect sense.

I am so sick and tired of seeing DU trash posted on these boards, @TomSfea .  Can you give it a rest?  Or better yet, do some friggin' research and find out what Trump actually said instead of trusting what some left-wing idiot tweeted without context.

[aligncare]

This is insane. I got a notification on my Fox News app about some actor I never heard of contracting corona.

Here’s the problem. At Cornell university they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom—the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe.

If I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn’t be able to locate my interest in this constantly breathless reporting about every new case of corona. (Yes, that was an intentional pun on beer.)

[roamer_1]

I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.

This is different.  We will recover, but this is different.

No, it really isn't.

[libertybele]

Gee, ya think?

Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade.  They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.

The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on.  I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.

[DB]

No, it really isn't.

We'll have to disagree on this one.

Addition: I'm talking about the COVID-19 verses flu comparisons. This isn't just another flue. Regarding the reaction to it there's lots of room for who knows what is the best course of action.

[roamer_1]

We'll have to disagree on this one.

In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?

It ain't no different.

[DB]

In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?

It ain't no different.

I modified my post above. I don't know if that changes anything for you.

[skeeter]

Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade.  They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.

The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on.  I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.

Turning nothing more than a particularly nasty flu bug into a political coup may just end up being the scam of the century.

[roamer_1]

Of course they are -- the MSM has a story to cover every day that is the story of the decade.  They will sensationalize as much as they can as long as they can also emphasize that somehow this is Trump's fault.

The DEMS are jumping for joy -- the economy is tanking, Americans will be out of work, companies will close, unemployment will rise and since the border still isn't closed -- he'll have virtually nothing to run on.  I wonder which DEM conspired with China? -- sorry folks -- that is what it looks like -- Russian collusion and impeachment didn't work.

I don't think you're thinking anywhere near big enough.

[Idiot]

I repeat.............. I am talking about science and healthcare professionals, not the media, nor the overreactive public.

This is different.  We will recover, but this is different.

Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now.  It is different....  I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas.  Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad.  Too close to home for me....

[DB]

In the face of martial law? In the face of destroying uncountable businesses? In the face of putting the whole country on the damn dole?

It ain't no different.

Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue. The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.

Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.

I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.

I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.

[DB]

I don't think you're thinking anywhere near big enough.

The root is China. There needs to be a major realignment of the world with China after this.

[musiclady]

Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now.  It is different....  I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas.  Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad.  Too close to home for me....

Exactly.

Days ago I would have disagreed with myself! 

When a family member is quarantined in northern Indiana, people are being diagnosed without symptoms, it is better to err on the side of caution.

As I said above, the decisions that may seem draconian now may very well be the reason the curve goes down faster and lives are saved.

I'm thankful, personally, to be in Ohio where the healthcare professionals and science are being utilized, the media ignored, and the lives of people at risk are a top priority.

Just found out our election tomorrow has been extended and votes can be sent in until June 2nd.  I'm glad to see that the poll workers health was a consideration.

I'm not an alarmist in any sense, but this is something we haven't seen before........... unless some of you remember 1918. 

[musiclady]

Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue. The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.

Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.

I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.

I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.

The main concern for the states is having adequate medical supplies and not overwhelming the system (as happened in Italy).  If preventative measures are taken, our awesome healthcare facilities can take care of the cases as they come.

Prevention is smart.

[Smokin Joe]

Days ago I would have disagreed with you....but not now.  It is different....  I just got a text from a friend who's daughter in law works as a PA in Dallas.  Said they are starting to get cases and it's bad.  Too close to home for me....

Consider, please: You don't go to the doctor if you don't feel bad, and while that scale slides depending on the individual. If you are really sick, (not 'just a cold' ) you are more likely to seek medical attention.

If you have a mere case of the sniffles, you generally don't go to the doctor, you pick up some remedy at the store or gut it out until you feel better. The mild cases aren't being counted, because they aren't being detected.

In Dallas, there are 1.34 Million people (almost twice as many as we have in our whole state), so sure, the medical centers in that concentrated group of humans, once the infection is introduced to the community, will come in, and it will seem like a lot.

But one hundred cases in the hospital, while it may seem like it would be a lot, is only 0.007 percent of the population. If there were 100 deaths from the virus, in Dallas is still a very small mortality rate because of the size of the population.

What you are seeing there is a very narrow tightly focused view on the absolute worst aspects of this.
It's why ER staff, police, and First Responders have a high burnout rate.   

[mountaineer]

Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.

Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.

[roamer_1]

Regarding government's heavy hand that's a different issue.

No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.

The virus is what it is. What do you do when the hospitals are overloaded and people are dying that could otherwise be saved because there aren't enough resources to take care of them all at the same time? That's what's happening in Italy. It wasn't panic that created the mess there.

Iran tried to ignore it. That hasn't gone well for them.

It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.

I'm not claiming to know what the right answer is here. I don't know. I do believe this is significantly more serious than the common flu. And it is likely to do a lot of damage no matter how it is handled.

I have a daughter going to Arizona State University. I also have my 84 year old mother in the same household. There are some serious concerns here.

I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.

I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.

[TomSea]

[skeeter]

What you said, @roamer_1.

[roamer_1]

I agree. We still don't have any decent numbers because 80% (for what the statistic is worth) will experience mild symptoms, similar to a cold, and will likely dismiss those symptoms as just that.

If that is the case, and only those presenting with the worst symptoms are being tested, what we are seeing is the worst case scenario in numbers, when reality would present a far lower mortality rate.

And you know that really IS the case. Mortality numbers are based only upon those sick enough to warrant testing... And in that you KNOW the lion's share are not being tested.

Limits on the number of available test kits would ensure those would be used on cases where symptoms were severe enough to suspect the COVID-19 infection, while those assuming it is a cold are just getting by with OTC cold remedies and recovering without ever ticking the meter.

I know, I, for one, (like millions of others with no insurance) would not be running off to the doctor or ER to spend up to a grand to get tested for something I am recovering from, I'll just stay home until I am well.

That's right.

[DB]

Consider, please: You don't go to the doctor if you don't feel bad, and while that scale slides depending on the individual. If you are really sick, (not 'just a cold' ) you are more likely to seek medical attention.

If you have a mere case of the sniffles, you generally don't go to the doctor, you pick up some remedy at the store or gut it out until you feel better.

In Dallas, there are 1.34 Million people (almost twice as many as we have in our whole state), so sure, the medical centers in that concentrated group of humans, once the infection is introduced to the community, will come in, and it will seem like a lot.

But one hundred cases in the hospital, while it may seem like it would be a lot, is only 0.007 percent of the population.
100 deaths from the virus, on Dallas is still a very small mortality rate because of the size of the population.

Understand, don't disagree. But we simply don't know how many people have been infected to know where that leads. If most people have been infected and that's all that has happened that would be very good news. That would also mean there's not much more the virus can infect. But we have no reliable data to know any of that.

It is clearly very infectious. If only 5,000 people of that 1.34 million have been infected that 100 deaths becomes significant and has a lot of upward mobility to get far worse. If 500,000 of that 1.34 million have been infected then it has likely run its course.

We simply don't know. Making bad assumptions either way has serious consequences.

[roamer_1]

Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.

Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.

My son who has close LEO ties, has heard likewise... And oddly enough, the people I know that could actually confirm are all unavailable.

[Applewood]

Husband just conversed with a lady at Wal-Mart who said her daughter works at CDC in Atlanta. Daughter told her last night that mandatory 2 week quarantine will be imposed within next 48-72 hours.

Hearsay from a stranger, FWIW.

I just about believe it ill happen or at least it will be considered.  New Rochelle is already on lockdown.  San Francisco too I think.  The government is waiting to see how well the "tests" in those places go over before they institute it nationwide.  Are people going to be good little boys and girls and do what they are told, or will they have to bring in the authorities (maybe the military) to enforce the lockdown?

Sorry, but I'm still spooked about New Rochelle with the National Guard in place.

[skeeter]

My son who has close LEO ties, has heard likewise... And oddly enough, the people I know that could actually confirm are all unavailable.

Santa Clara county just order nonessential businesses closed for three weeks. 

[mountaineer]

I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
 

[roamer_1]

Santa Clara county just order nonessential businesses closed for three weeks.

That's INSANE.

[GrouchoTex]

San Francisco closed down now.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-ordered-to-shelter-in-place-due-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11gYgq?ocid=spartanntp

[GrouchoTex]

11 states have closed down restaurant dining.

[DB]

No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.

It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.

I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.

I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.

There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.

I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.

[GrouchoTex]

Friday, I heard that gatherings of 250 or more should be postponed for 2 weeks.
This morning, I heard gatherings of 50 or more should be postponed for 8 weeks.
Now I am hearing 10 or less, and older people stay home, for the next 15 days, via President Trump

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-tells-older-people-to-stay-home-all-ages-to-avoid-crowds/ar-BB11gYjz

This quote from the article:

The president, in an appearance in the White House briefing room, when asked when the pandemic would subside, said that “if we do a really good job" the crisis could pass by July or August, a far less optimistic take than in his earlier predictions that it could be over within weeks.

July or August?

WTF?

[roamer_1]

There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.

I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.

Show me that we have ever effectively stopped a virus and I might believe an alternate option... But that significant distruction is already ordained. which means a focus on logistics is what will actually be effective.

[mystery-ak]

I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
 

Do your exercises...take small walks and practice going up and down a few steps...same with a chair..getting up and down....