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« Reply #1250 on: March 12, 2020, 09:24:57 am »
LOL...   What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers?  I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.


Me think the Government killed him and blamed the Wuhan Fiu.
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« Reply #1251 on: March 12, 2020, 09:25:26 am »


A chart showing the progression/spread of the virus. (credit: Josué Ortega Caro on Twitter)

Some things to note:
- Even the worst cases, per capita infection rates have not progressed beyond 0.1%. On the whole, even in the worst places, the chances of any individual person getting this are still quite low.
- This, of course, is cumulative: once a number is added, it's not taken away when they recover.
I wonder what Japan is doing differently to keep their numbers down.

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« Reply #1252 on: March 12, 2020, 09:25:53 am »
And again....   As far as I know.....  NO ONE, under the age of 50 has died of this thing.  Yes, we the elderly need to take precautions, but is it worth the damage being done to our economy?.  The hysteria for this has been manufactured by the MSM to destroy Trump.  These are depicable bastards.

People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus.  Just less of them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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« Reply #1253 on: March 12, 2020, 09:30:08 am »
People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus.  Just less of them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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« Reply #1254 on: March 12, 2020, 09:31:41 am »
I wonder what Japan is doing differently to keep their numbers down.

In Japan, the government consolidated all relevant countermeasures and announced Basic Policies on Feb. 25, drawing on the expert analysis of leading infectious diseases scientists. The government has taken bold and timely measures such as restrictions on large-scale events and closure of schools.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/opinion/letters/japan-coronavirus.amp.html
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1255 on: March 12, 2020, 09:34:52 am »
People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus.  Just less of them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

0.2%?  Come on...  (1)  Even those young demographic areas have individuals with pre-existing conditons that may put them at risk.  (2) Areas, especially 3rd world have less than desireable public health standards, and the stats may have skewed in that respect. 

Then tell me bud...   How many Americans under the age of 50, without pre-existing conditons have  died of COVID-19? Seems you want to stoke the flames of this hysteria.

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« Reply #1256 on: March 12, 2020, 09:38:42 am »
They did. Or tried to. But compared to the rest of the world their numbers are off the chart.

Not so.  This is a logarithmic graph.  Plenty of room for another magnitude or two to be added.  We don't have Chinese data because Chicom data cannot be trusted.
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« Reply #1257 on: March 12, 2020, 09:39:44 am »
Might be a good time to put that "house dam" back up around your house to keep everyone away.   :laugh:  Here's praying everyone stays well.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1258 on: March 12, 2020, 09:40:58 am »
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« Reply #1259 on: March 12, 2020, 09:43:07 am »
People in their teens, 20s and 30s have died from Coronavirus.  Just less of them.

There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.

There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.

But what we need to understand is that even if you are below the age of 60 and without underlying conditions and not likely to require ICU care or die, you can still become very ill from this.

I contracted influenza at age 39 back in the year 2000. I was very healthy and fit at the time but it me like a ton of bricks. I was out from work for over a week. I was barely able to get out of bed, was running a 102+ fever for days and the body aches felt like someone was smashing every joint in my body with a hammer.

Imagine a vast number of people getting COVID-19 who while they may likely live and eventually recover, being laid out sick for a week or more.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1260 on: March 12, 2020, 09:48:01 am »
There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.

There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.
 or more.

Interesting claims.  Links or sources?
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« Reply #1261 on: March 12, 2020, 10:03:07 am »
There are some disturbing reports coming out of Italy and Iran that people in their 40’s and 30’s are seriously ill from this, requiring intensive and invasive care in the ICU and many in that cohort dying from it. That makes me wonder if a mutation in the virus is to blame and that might be very bad news.

There has also been a disturbing number of doctors and nurses who are relatively young and healthy becoming seriously ill and with some dying from it.

But what we need to understand is that even if you are below the age of 60 and without underlying conditions and not likely to require ICU care or die, you can still become very ill from this.

I contracted influenza at age 39 back in the year 2000. I was very healthy and fit at the time but it me like a ton of bricks. I was out from work for over a week. I was barely able to get out of bed, was running a 102+ fever for days and the body aches felt like someone was smashing every joint in my body with a hammer.

Imagine a vast number of people getting COVID-19 who while they may likely live and eventually recover, being laid out sick for a week or more.

I had a flu at age 30 & it was exactly as you describe. It got so bad at times that if I'da had access to a gun I'da ended it all right then. Had to wait it out at home - took ten days to get rid of.

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« Reply #1262 on: March 12, 2020, 10:07:30 am »
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« Reply #1263 on: March 12, 2020, 10:11:56 am »
Here’s How Long Coronavirus Can Live In The Air And On Surfaces: Study
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« Reply #1264 on: March 12, 2020, 10:15:14 am »
LOL...   What do you think the Chicoms do with whistleblowers?  I beleive that about as much as I beleive in the tooth fairy.

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At least eight medical workers have died, including one doctor who was 29 and another who was 34.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-killed-young-chinese-doctors-2020-2

Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.

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« Reply #1265 on: March 12, 2020, 10:27:42 am »
Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.

We don't know all the circumstances of these infections.  Sometimes at ground zero, the viral pathology is at its most powerful, before somewhat of a dilution. The Chicoms have been so tight lipped on all aspects of this matter, who knows what we can believe from them

OTOH, if we can get some evidence that this virus is  mutating  into a worse one, with expanded demographic impact.....   Then we can re-visit.   Still there  is no proof of that (mutation) at all at this point.

The main point is that at this exact moment, I have not seen any evidence of a fatality in the United States of a individual under the age of 50, without pre-existing condtions.  Trying to make claims, even indirect  of the this being deadly to the young is irresponsbile, and just adding fire to the flames of the hysteria already underway.
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« Reply #1266 on: March 12, 2020, 10:28:40 am »
I'm sure plenty of data can be found.

Someone initially seemed to make s claim I had not seen anywhere but I don't know if I missed something in the conversation but if it was asserted it hadn't killed anyone under 50, it should be for them to back up. If that was the assertion, it got refuted pretty quickly.

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« Reply #1269 on: March 12, 2020, 10:53:56 am »
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Senator Cotton Closes Washington, D.C. Office

Washington, D.C. — Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) has temporarily closed his Washington, D.C. office to protect the health of his staff and to prevent the spread of the Wuhan virus. D.C. Staff will continue to work from home. Senator Cotton released the statement below concerning the closure:

“The Wuhan coronavirus is a grave challenge to our great nation. My first priority is always the safety of our people. Since I first heard reports of an unknown virus spreading in central China in early January, I have endeavored to protect you and your family from this menace. From the beginning, I have heeded the counsel of Benjamin Franklin: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I urge every American to do the same—as individuals, in their families, and at their workplaces and schools. Together, through prudent and responsible actions, we can arrest the spread of this virus and protect the health of our nation.

Effectively immediately, therefore, I have closed my Washington, D.C. office.  An aide in another Senate office has tested positive for the Wuhan coronavirus; other congressional employees are likely to test positive in the days ahead. The most sensible course of action for the public and the congressional workforce under the circumstances is for my staff to telecommute. A weeklong congressional recess begins tomorrow, so the disruption to our in-office operations will be minimal. My D.C. office will remain closed through that recess. But my staff will be available to assist you promptly by email and phone, as always. I will remain at work for legislative business while the Senate is in session, and I will continue to work around the clock to protect you and our nation.

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« Reply #1270 on: March 12, 2020, 10:59:10 am »
Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus

If you listened to Chinese state-run media, you'd think President Trump went to China and released vials of COVID-19 on groups of unsuspecting men, women and children.

Beijing has been bending over backward trying to convince the world that the United States is the real culprit behind the quickly spreading virus that's already claimed more than 4,600 lives across the globe.

It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims that Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus, at first covered it up, triggering a worldwide health and economic crisis.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan
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« Reply #1271 on: March 12, 2020, 10:59:19 am »
What life is like inside the coronavirus containment zone in New Rochelle, New York

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/us/new-rochelle-coronavirus-containment-area/index.html
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« Reply #1272 on: March 12, 2020, 11:05:40 am »
Patient in Georgia:

Man battling coronavirus explains what it’s like, says “I ain’t never felt this bad”
written by Paul Goldberg March 12, 2020



ABC reports a man in Rome, Georgia, said he was initially sent home after he went to the hospital with flu-like symptoms and later tested positive for coronavirus.

Clay Bentley told ABC News on Wednesday that on March 1 he sang in the more-than-100-member choir at the Church at Liberty Square in Cartersville, Georgia.

Bentley said he went home after church and woke up Monday morning, feeling so sick he went to urgent care in Rome, Georgia. When they checked his vitals, he said, his oxygen levels were really low and he was sent to a hospital.

“I was so weak that I couldn’t even stand up,” he told ABC News.

More:  https://newsthud.com/man-battling-coronavirus-explains-what-its-like-says-i-aint-never-felt-this-bad/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1273 on: March 12, 2020, 11:12:46 am »
I don't know. I do know that in Wuhan the case load has leveled off at 50,000 in a city of 11,000,000. The province as a whole has a little under 60,000,000.

There's a lot of fear being fomented about this virus that, quite frankly, I don't think is warranted—and all this cancelling classes and sporting events, the things that we use to take our minds off this stuff, is only going to make that fear worse. We're trading a physical illness for mental illness.
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« Reply #1274 on: March 12, 2020, 11:17:08 am »
Good luck proving they are all whistleblowers.
Any doctor working in a hospital in the thick of this outbreak will be severely run down, physically, getting little sleep, questionable nutrition, and near constant exposure to not only this, but a variety of pathogens. Under those circumstances people are especially susceptible to disease.
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« Reply #1275 on: March 12, 2020, 11:28:54 am »
Any doctor working in a hospital in the thick of this outbreak will be severely run down, physically, getting little sleep, questionable nutrition, and near constant exposure to not only this, but a variety of pathogens. Under those circumstances people are especially susceptible to disease.
They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

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« Reply #1276 on: March 12, 2020, 11:35:07 am »
Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus

If you listened to Chinese state-run media, you'd think President Trump went to China and released vials of COVID-19 on groups of unsuspecting men, women and children.

Beijing has been bending over backward trying to convince the world that the United States is the real culprit behind the quickly spreading virus that's already claimed more than 4,600 lives across the globe.

It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims that Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus, at first covered it up, triggering a worldwide health and economic crisis.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan

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« Reply #1278 on: March 12, 2020, 11:36:46 am »
They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying?  That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.
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« Reply #1279 on: March 12, 2020, 11:40:20 am »
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« Reply #1280 on: March 12, 2020, 11:40:43 am »
0.2%?  Come on...  (1)  Even those young demographic areas have individuals with pre-existing conditons that may put them at risk.  (2) Areas, especially 3rd world have less than desireable public health standards, and the stats may have skewed in that respect. 

Then tell me bud...   How many Americans under the age of 50, without pre-existing conditons have  died of COVID-19? Seems you want to stoke the flames of this hysteria.

We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection.  But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected.  It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production.  Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it.  That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low.  Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care.  Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average. 
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« Reply #1281 on: March 12, 2020, 11:42:07 am »
They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

Anyone making such a claim is either a liar or a fool at this point.
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« Reply #1282 on: March 12, 2020, 11:42:08 am »
Scary stats --

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.

That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days

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« Reply #1283 on: March 12, 2020, 11:46:56 am »
And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying?  That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.

While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

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« Reply #1284 on: March 12, 2020, 11:47:14 am »
Scary stats --

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.

That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days

Yes, thanks. That's a good article and I believe some of this was posted earlier or on one of the bigger boards.

So, I get it,  of the people who get it, it is an extremely small amount who die but, are we suppose to just live with it, no matter how big it could get?

I mean, when I read this, this seems to mean that even if you were in a car with someone, there'd be a risk to get it and though, the kill-ratio is low, it is highly contagious.

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« Reply #1285 on: March 12, 2020, 11:50:25 am »
We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection.  But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected.  It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production.  Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it.  That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low.  Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care.  Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average.

The death rates for the under 50 in the US are low likely because they get good medical care and are nominally healthy enough to fight through this with that care.

When this becomes wide spread and there isn't enough resources to deal with it a lot of people go without care and you get what's happening to Italy now. Cases where the person would have otherwise survived don't because they didn't get enough access to treatment to give their body enough time to fight it off.

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« Reply #1286 on: March 12, 2020, 11:53:25 am »
They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.
Never say never.  :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1287 on: March 12, 2020, 11:53:33 am »
While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

Amen! :amen:

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« Reply #1288 on: March 12, 2020, 11:58:50 am »
While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

Exactly.  This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?
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« Reply #1289 on: March 12, 2020, 12:01:08 pm »
Never say never.  :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.

And still, with a complicit MSM, we are bascially shutting down the country, with all the economic carnage that has ensued.
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« Reply #1290 on: March 12, 2020, 12:01:21 pm »
Never say never.  :shrug: It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.

It's also disingenuous to make a claim with NO backup what so ever.

So, one asserts nobody under 50 is dying from this. Okay, is there any backup? I'm the King of the Netherlands too, nice to not have to back up any claims.

Everyone knows that the elderly are much more at risk here but that is different than asserting there are no deaths under 50.

And again,  the statement from what I understand and I could be wrong, is that there are no deaths under 50. I can probably find info saying the average age of those who die is 81, I saw that the other day but nonetheless, we are talking of a statement without backup.

You have people in hazmat suits. What's next? Find that one of them died under 40 and now claim it's disingenuous to mention them because they are working in moving bodies?  One can always do that, maybe the person has a weak immune system, they inherited it? I'm sure, we can find something for virtually everyone who has died from the disease.


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« Reply #1291 on: March 12, 2020, 12:03:04 pm »
Exactly.  This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?

I'm afraid we will begin to see other countries begin to coordinate with the US rat media. China is already attempting to revise the storyline in order to blame the US. Why would the left be suddenly so critical of any reference to it's Chinese origins?

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« Reply #1292 on: March 12, 2020, 12:03:30 pm »
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Brazilian Official Who Met With Trump and Pence Tests Positive For Coronavirus: Report
written by J.C McCallum March 12, 2020



More:  https://newsthud.com/brazilian-official-who-met-with-trump-and-pence-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-report/

So, someone probably beat me to this, they did on the NBA and Tom Hanks stories but now, we have another twist, see article for details.

Posted here too: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394833.msg2166945/topicseen.html#msg2166945
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« Reply #1293 on: March 12, 2020, 12:05:16 pm »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion

Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion


Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.

In yet another sign of how difficult the pandemic may be to contain, doctors in China detected the virus’s RNA in respiratory samples from survivors for a median of 20 days after they became infected, they wrote in an article published in the Lancet medical journal.

The new coronavirus has spread to 118 countries and infected about 125,000 people since first emerging in Wuhan, China, at the end of last year, evading drastic efforts by local authorities and subsequent containment attempts in other nations.

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« Reply #1294 on: March 12, 2020, 12:07:13 pm »
I can't stand all this back and forth any more.  Just give it to me already.  Let's get it over with.

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« Reply #1295 on: March 12, 2020, 12:09:38 pm »
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/

Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism

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The coronavirus could be behind a vicious gang war — between rival groups of monkeys in the streets of Thailand.

Hundreds of macaques reportedly from two rival gangs were filmed swarming the streets of Lopburi then savagely battling each other for a single banana.

The monkeys are usually well-fed thanks to the tourists who flood the city in central Thailand — but are going hungry because of the drastic drop in visitors to the Asian nation because of COVID-19 fears.

“I think the monkeys were very, very hungry,” onlooker Sasaluk Rattanachai, who filmed the fight, told DailyMail.com.

“There’s normally a lot of tourists here to feed the monkeys but now there are not as many, because of the coronavirus.”

Rattanachai said they “looked more like wild dogs than monkeys.”

Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?

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« Reply #1296 on: March 12, 2020, 12:13:42 pm »
It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 have died of the coronavirus as an absolute statement is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

And the story may well be different out of Iran and so forth. Our knowledge is limited.




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« Reply #1297 on: March 12, 2020, 12:14:17 pm »
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/

Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism

Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?

Don't worry, someone somewhere is blaming Trump for it.
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« Reply #1298 on: March 12, 2020, 12:15:49 pm »
It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

That is pretty amazing... in my age group less than 1% chance of dying from this... assuming i'm even infected.

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« Reply #1299 on: March 12, 2020, 12:16:19 pm »
It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

This may save Social Security for a couple decades. (oh how I wish that was sarcasm)
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