Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[TomSea]

Any doctor working in a hospital in the thick of this outbreak will be severely run down, physically, getting little sleep, questionable nutrition, and near constant exposure to not only this, but a variety of pathogens. Under those circumstances people are especially susceptible to disease.

They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

[XenaLee]

Inside China's high-stakes campaign to smear the United States over coronavirus

If you listened to Chinese state-run media, you'd think President Trump went to China and released vials of COVID-19 on groups of unsuspecting men, women and children.

Beijing has been bending over backward trying to convince the world that the United States is the real culprit behind the quickly spreading virus that's already claimed more than 4,600 lives across the globe.

It's a high-stakes strategy for the Asian nation fighting to keep its superpower status amid a national lockdown and palpable anger over claims that Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus, at first covered it up, triggering a worldwide health and economic crisis.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/china-smear-united-states-coronavirus-wuhan

Funny, how..... in a normal, sane, "not surreal" world.... what China has done would automatically be considered an act of war.   That we have been letting China get away with previous acts of war via hacking, intellectual property theft, and other criminal acts, just makes this the cherry on top.   I don't get it.   What part of "this means war" are people unable or unwilling to comprehend?   

[mystery-ak]

China says coronavirus cases on decline after hitting peak in epicenter
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487208-china-says-coronavirus-cases-declining-after-hitting-peak-in-epicenter

[catfish1957]

They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying?  That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.

[TomSea]

Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
Now, if it’s Devil Went Down To Georgia...then all bets are off!
10:37 AM · Mar 12, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1238126911773081601

Other comments at his twitter page.

[thackney]

0.2%?  Come on...  (1)  Even those young demographic areas have individuals with pre-existing conditons that may put them at risk.  (2) Areas, especially 3rd world have less than desireable public health standards, and the stats may have skewed in that respect. 

Then tell me bud...   How many Americans under the age of 50, without pre-existing conditons have  died of COVID-19? Seems you want to stoke the flames of this hysteria.

We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection.  But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected.  It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production.  Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it.  That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low.  Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care.  Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average. 

[thackney]

They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

Anyone making such a claim is either a liar or a fool at this point.

[libertybele]

Scary stats --

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.

That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days

[skeeter]

And again, name one case in the United States of someone under 50 without pre-existing conditions dying?  That's a simple counter, and paramount to the issue of hysteria you are helping to perpetuate.

While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

[TomSea]

Scary stats --

Coronavirus can remain in air for 3 hours, live on plastic for days, new study says

A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Another study published in February concluded that if COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, such as SARS or MERS, it could live on surfaces like metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days, Fox News previously reported. By comparison, the flu virus can only live on surfaces for approximately 48 hours.

That study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, suggested that coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" with disinfectants that contain "62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute," adding that other agents that contain "0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02 percent chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."......

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days

Yes, thanks. That's a good article and I believe some of this was posted earlier or on one of the bigger boards.

So, I get it,  of the people who get it, it is an extremely small amount who die but, are we suppose to just live with it, no matter how big it could get?

I mean, when I read this, this seems to mean that even if you were in a car with someone, there'd be a risk to get it and though, the kill-ratio is low, it is highly contagious.

[DB]

We have done a very good job in the US containing the spread of infection.  But until a vaccine is created, it is only a matter of time before most become infected.  It is really a race at this time of infection rate versus vaccine production.  Our economy (or any countries) cannot withstand what we have already started trying to contain it.  That is the reason US deaths and infections are so low.  Go look at Italy if you want to see what the death rate really is even under modern health care.  Yes, they have an older population, but it is just a few years old average.

The death rates for the under 50 in the US are low likely because they get good medical care and are nominally healthy enough to fight through this with that care.

When this becomes wide spread and there isn't enough resources to deal with it a lot of people go without care and you get what's happening to Italy now. Cases where the person would have otherwise survived don't because they didn't get enough access to treatment to give their body enough time to fight it off.

[Smokin Joe]

They were still under 50. Are we saying nobody dies from this under 50 or not? That's the simple question.

Never say never.  It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.

[libertybele]

While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

Amen!

[catfish1957]

While not minimizing the threat this flu presents its time to acknowledge that COVID19 has been totally co-opted by the international left in their effort to effect a desired political outcome.

And IMO that is a far far more dangerous threat.

Exactly.  This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?

[catfish1957]

Never say never.  It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.

And still, with a complicit MSM, we are bascially shutting down the country, with all the economic carnage that has ensued.

[TomSea]

Never say never.  It seems there are exceptions to any generalization.

But I think it is disingenuous to 1: Compare health workers in the thick of things with the general population,  if for no other reason than guaranteed exposure. and
2: While there will be a small fraction of the population (well under half a percent) who may die, it is likely those people will have some preexisting condition which makes treatment more problematical.

So, let's rephrase the generalization to include only average, ordinary folks who were in reasonably good health living reasonably healthy lifestyles, and we will see the risk to any one person in that age group is statistically very small.

For instance, as of a couple days ago, I read the average age of those who died from COVID-19 was 81.
Youngsters (under 50, and certainly under 30), without preexisting conditions which complicate treatment, seem to do very well against the pathogen.

It's also disingenuous to make a claim with NO backup what so ever.

So, one asserts nobody under 50 is dying from this. Okay, is there any backup? I'm the King of the Netherlands too, nice to not have to back up any claims.

Everyone knows that the elderly are much more at risk here but that is different than asserting there are no deaths under 50.

And again,  the statement from what I understand and I could be wrong, is that there are no deaths under 50. I can probably find info saying the average age of those who die is 81, I saw that the other day but nonetheless, we are talking of a statement without backup.

You have people in hazmat suits. What's next? Find that one of them died under 40 and now claim it's disingenuous to mention them because they are working in moving bodies?  One can always do that, maybe the person has a weak immune system, they inherited it? I'm sure, we can find something for virtually everyone who has died from the disease.

[skeeter]

Exactly.  This was a MSM / dim premedicated event from the outset. Notice we didn't see the same hysteria for H1N1, SARS, or MERS?

I'm afraid we will begin to see other countries begin to coordinate with the US rat media. China is already attempting to revise the storyline in order to blame the US. Why would the left be suddenly so critical of any reference to it's Chinese origins?

[TomSea]

Brazilian Official Who Met With Trump and Pence Tests Positive For Coronavirus: Report
written by J.C McCallum March 12, 2020



More:  https://newsthud.com/brazilian-official-who-met-with-trump-and-pence-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-report/

So, someone probably beat me to this, they did on the NBA and Tom Hanks stories but now, we have another twist, see article for details.

Posted here too: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394833.msg2166945/topicseen.html#msg2166945

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion

Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion

Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.

In yet another sign of how difficult the pandemic may be to contain, doctors in China detected the virus’s RNA in respiratory samples from survivors for a median of 20 days after they became infected, they wrote in an article published in the Lancet medical journal.

The new coronavirus has spread to 118 countries and infected about 125,000 people since first emerging in Wuhan, China, at the end of last year, evading drastic efforts by local authorities and subsequent containment attempts in other nations.

more at link

[Hoodat]

I can't stand all this back and forth any more.  Just give it to me already.  Let's get it over with.

For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/

Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism

The coronavirus could be behind a vicious gang war — between rival groups of monkeys in the streets of Thailand.

Hundreds of macaques reportedly from two rival gangs were filmed swarming the streets of Lopburi then savagely battling each other for a single banana.

The monkeys are usually well-fed thanks to the tourists who flood the city in central Thailand — but are going hungry because of the drastic drop in visitors to the Asian nation because of COVID-19 fears.

“I think the monkeys were very, very hungry,” onlooker Sasaluk Rattanachai, who filmed the fight, told DailyMail.com.

“There’s normally a lot of tourists here to feed the monkeys but now there are not as many, because of the coronavirus.”

Rattanachai said they “looked more like wild dogs than monkeys.”

Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?

[TomSea]

It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 have died of the coronavirus as an absolute statement is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

And the story may well be different out of Iran and so forth. Our knowledge is limited.

[catfish1957]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/monkeys-fight-for-food-in-thailand-after-coronavirus-slows-tourism/

Monkeys fight for food in Thailand after coronavirus slows tourism

Isn't this how Planet of the Apes started?

Don't worry, someone somewhere is blaming Trump for it.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

That is pretty amazing... in my age group less than 1% chance of dying from this... assuming i'm even infected.

[thackney]

It was said and I said it, there appears to be no deaths among the 0-9 years old age group.

But after that, there is a chance, no matter how small that shows, that there are then, deaths in every age group:



Now, if one wants to say 97.5% or more of those who die from the coronavirus are over 50, that may well be so but it does seem like saying only those over 50 is an absolute statement that is false. I think that's all I've been saying.

This may save Social Security for a couple decades. (oh how I wish that was sarcasm)