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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2020, 11:48:09 am »
If it has four legs and isn't a table or a chair, the Chinese will eat it.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2020, 02:31:07 pm »
Wuhan Flu? WuFlu, I'm being serious... I just saw this on twitter, see video at tweet.:

Disturbing videos:

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Arslan Hidayat@arslan_hidayat
The people of #Wuhan are literally dropping like flies all over the city.

Like something out of a horror movie.


https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat/status/1220408848927903744

#WuFlu #WuhanPneumonia

I count 2 more on that page. Probably authentic.

WHO voted again, went 50/50 so as now,  they are not declaring it to be of the utmost urgency.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2020, 04:02:32 pm »
Passenger arrives at LAX with possible coronavirus symptoms

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A passenger who landed at Los Angeles International Airport Wednesday night was hospitalized for a precautionary medical evaluation amid increased concerns over coronavirus.

ABC News reports it's unclear if the passenger, who arrived on Flight 2436 from Mexico City, has coronavirus or what symptoms were exhibited.

Excerpted, more at link -> https://abc7.com/health/passenger-arrives-at-lax-with-possible-coronavirus-symptoms/5873123/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2020, 07:18:45 pm »
@TomSea is that Camus in your avatar?

I saw a few mote stories tonight. Scary.
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« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2020, 07:47:47 pm »
@TomSea is that Camus in your avatar?

I saw a few mote stories tonight. Scary.

Yes, I read a number of 'existential' books years ago. I did find it online to read for free. That book always stuck with me.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2020, 09:20:13 pm »
This is interesting too, oh, and EIGHT, 8 Cities, counties and so on are now on lockdown.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047453/china-coronavirus-first-fatality-reported-outside-epicentre

Where those Uighur internment camps are:

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Conditions Put Xinjiang Internment Camps at Risk as Region Confirms First Coronavirus Cases
2020-01-23

Poor sanitation and cramped quarters could lead to an epidemic at internment camps in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), experts said Thursday, as state media confirmed the region’s first two cases of the new coronavirus traced to Hubei province.

Chinese state media cited local health authorities in the XUAR as saying that a 47-year-old man identified by the surname Li and a 52-year-old man identified as Gu had been confirmed infected by the novel coronavirus (nCoV) as of 6:00 p.m. local time on Thursday. Both had been to Hubei’s capital Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have been first transmitted to humans, they said.

The two were among the latest confirmed cases of the virus, which the official China Central Television (CCTV) said had infected nearly 650 people, including 10 people in the U.S., Thailand, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and Vietnam. At least 18 people have died in the outbreak, all within China.

Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/viral-01232020164134.html

That article doesn't really lay out that well on why the camps could be more dangerous but I'm sure it's true.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2020, 09:45:19 pm »
Chinese market at center of coronavirus outbreak sold wolves, rats to eat

By Lia EustachewichJanuary 23, 2020 | 2:10pm | Updated




The Wuhan Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.AP

The Chinese market at the center of the deadly coronavirus outbreak sold live animals — including wolf pups, foxes, rats and peacocks — to eat, according to a new report.

The wild animals were among 112 items that were peddled at the Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan, Agence France-Press reported.

Other wildlife sold at the market, which has since been shuttered, included crocodiles, giant salamanders, snakes, porcupines and camel meat.

“Freshly slaughtered, frozen and delivered to your door,” said the price list for the vendor, “Wild Game Animal Husbandry for the Masses.”

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https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/chinese-market-at-center-of-coronavirus-outbreak-sold-wolves-rats-to-eat/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2020, 10:42:09 pm »
South China Morning Post has a good explainer:

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CHINA CORONAVIRUS
Wuhan virus: a visual explainer

By SCMP Graphics UPDATED JANUARY 23, 2020

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STREET VENDOR PREPARES A FROG FOR
SALE IN A WUHAN STREET MARKET


Folks seem to think this does a good job on informing.  I'm not posting the picture of that street vendor but one can see it at link.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2020, 03:09:03 am »
I could never eat a frog. Not even when I worked in France.
I’ve been told it tastes like chicken but no. Won’t eat.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2020, 03:39:42 am »
I could never eat a frog. Not even when I worked in France.
I’ve been told it tastes like chicken but no. Won’t eat.
It tastes like frog, but the flavor isn't far off chicken. (You only eat the legs, not the rest of it.)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2020, 06:10:11 am »
The Daily Mail publishes this today.

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China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak

    The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola

    Ahead of its January 2018 opening, biosafety experts and scientists from the US expressed concerns that a virus could escape the lab
    In 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing

    Experts say the coronavirus that's infected more than 800 people mutated in animals and became capable of infecting humans at the Wuhan seafood market

    But a 2017 article warned of the unpredictability of lab animals that scientists at the Wuhan lab intended to inject with viruses

By Natalie Rahhal Acting Us Health Editor

Published: 17:08 EST, 23 January 2020 | Updated: 21:14 EST, 23 January 2020

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China's highest-grade lab for studying viruses is located in Wuhan, the same city at the center of the current coronavirus outbreak

More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html

The above is possible, it sounds a bit like what you would see in a movie too.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2020, 08:12:10 am »
Does anyone else think it’s strange that Netflix just dropped a documentary called “pandemic” this week? Yes it’s about influenza but It’s a weird coincidence.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2020, 10:21:44 am »
A second US case of deadly coronavirus has been confirmed, this time in Illinois

The deadly coronavirus has afflicted another person in the United States, health officials confirmed Friday, bringing the total number of U.S. cases to two as Chinese health officials scramble to contain the outbreak.

A Chicago woman returned Jan. 13 from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, and began experiencing symptoms a few days after arriving home, said the city's health officials.

The 60-year-old woman called her doctor after symptoms arose and she was admitted to a hospital and placed in isolation, health officials said. Further testing confirmed the virus.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/24/coronavirus-wuhan-china-lockdown-quarantine-us-cases/4562257002/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2020, 11:55:18 am »
China may actually be trying to build a new hospital in 10 days? Is that possible even??


Spanish press says that 10 figure, here's more photos from Infobae: 


Voice of America:
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China Building a Hospital to Treat Virus, Expands Lockdowns
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2020, 12:24:33 pm »
China may actually be trying to build a new hospital in 10 days? Is that possible even??


Spanish press says that 10 figure, here's more photos from Infobae: 


Voice of America:

Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:
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« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2020, 02:48:49 pm »
Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:
That's what I just heard on the radio - enough temporary buildings to accomodate 1,000 beds.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2020, 06:22:09 pm »
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Hospitalized Woman in New Jersey Does Not Have Coronavirus
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January 24, 2020 Updated: January 24, 2020Share

The Hackensack University Medical center confirmed that the patient hospitalized in Hackensack, New Jersey does not have a new coronavirus that first broke out in China.

“After an evaluation of the patient and consulting with the State Department of Health, experts have determined the patient does not have the Wuhan Coronavirus. Due to patient privacy, we are unable to provide additional information,” the hospital said in a statement.

According to NorthJersey.com, the patient is a 25-year-old woman who was brought to a hospital in Hackensack by the Edgewater Emergency Medical Services on Thursday night.

Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/hospitalized-woman-in-new-jersey-does-not-have-coronavirus_3214515.html

More at EpochTimes.com China coverage:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china

One of the stories says one of the top medical authorities in Wuhan is infected.  Then, this one says new symptoms, I thought they'd say something about "nerves" which some people are speculating on but this is just typical, diarrhea, chest pains, those kinds of things, fever, typical for the flu in most cases.

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Patients of Novel Coronavirus Show New Symptoms: Report
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Patients in the Chinese city of Wuhan have been diagnosed with the new coronavirus after exhibiting non-respiratory-related symptoms—such as diarrhea, chest pains, and headaches— according to Jan. 24 report by Chinese researchers reported by local media.

Thus far, official guidance on the symptoms of the Wuhan virus has been limited to fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as coughing, difficulty breathing or shortness of breath.

However, according to local media a report by doctors and experts from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University on Friday noted the appearance of initial symptoms not related to the respiratory system.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/patients-of-novel-coronavirus-show-new-symptoms-report_3214783.html

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2020, 06:50:42 pm »

Parents 'abandon' their two children at Chinese airport amid coronavirus outbreak after their son is banned from boarding because he has a fever

    The boy was stopped by workers at an airport in Nanjing, China, due to a fever
    His parents boarded the flight themselves, leaving him and his sister behind
    The children were eventually allowed on the plane after drama caused a delay
    Outbreak of a new deadly virus has killed 26 people and infected 830 in China

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2020, 09:00:30 pm »
Tents can go up pretty fast. :shrug:

Trenches for dead bodies can be dug just as fast.
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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2020, 11:56:42 pm »

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24 hours ago, death toll was about 26, now, 41 a day later. It's looking bad I think.

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« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2020, 06:38:47 am »
UPDATE: Sorry, the map link below now requires a login...server got overloaded with new users I guess.
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Good worldwide map of officially reported "2019-nCoV" cases here:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Take the case count from China with a grain of salt...the CCP is known to underreport cases, they got caught in 2002-2004 vastly underreporting SARS cases.

The map link came from a Crypto (ie. Bitcoin, etc.) YouTuber in Hong Kong I follow:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA   
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« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2020, 07:06:08 am »
Good worldwide map of officially reported "2019-nCoV" cases here:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html

Take the case count from China with a grain of salt...the CCP is known to underreport cases, they got caught in 2002-2004 vastly underreporting SARS cases.

The map link came from a Crypto (ie. Bitcoin, etc.) YouTuber in Hong Kong I follow:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxODjeUwZHk3p-7TU-IsDOA

Hmmm. Says they are trying to build that new hospital in six days. What is the rush if it isn't that bad? Seems like this scaring them shitless. Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2020, 07:42:46 am »
The U.S. Scientist Who Predicted Coronavirus Could Kill 65 Million People–Three Months BEFORE the Outbreak in Wuhan, China

Electroverse by Cap Allon January 25, 2020

https://electroverse.net/the-u-s-scientist-who-predicted-coronavirus-could-kill-65-million-people/
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U.S. health experts predicted a strain of the coronavirus could kill tens of millions of people in a warning three months BEFORE the deadly outbreak in Wuhan, China.

Scientists at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security modeled a hypothetical pandemic on a computer as part of research last October — their simulation predicted the deaths of some 65 million people worldwide in just 18 months. 

According to latest reports coming out of China, the highly contagious disease has so far killed 41 people and infected around 1,300 others — but experts believe China is hiding the true figures–predicting the true number of those infected to be in the many thousands.

To their credit, China’s response has been swift, shutting down more than 14 cities around Wuhan–the central metropolis where the outbreak is originated:

“We don’t yet know how contagious it is. We know that it is being spread person to person, but we don’t know to what extent.”

Dr Toner’s computer simulation back in October suggested that after six months, nearly every country in the world would have cases of coronavirus. And within 18 months, 65 million people would have died.


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2020, 07:57:53 am »
Send a few to America, have them hospitalized and treated by some college professors with China helpers that steal the info on treatment and bamm, overnight the info makes way back to China without any expense on their behalf.
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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2020, 08:08:02 am »
The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola: Coincidence? Had annual safety drill days before outbreak!

The Big Wobble by Gary Walton 1/25/2020

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/01/the-wuhan-national-biosafety-laboratory.html

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The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory annual management review

•   A "conservative guess" is more than 150,000 are yet unaware they are sick as the incubation period is 5-to-10 days.
•   The Coronavirus has arrived in Europe with 8 suspected cases in France
•   Health experts issued an ominous warning about a coronavirus pandemic 3 months ago. Their simulation showed it could kill 65 million people.
•   Almost 50 million people in lockdown
•   US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that the "virus" could 'escape' the facility WUHAN

It could be the scenario of a Hollywood Blockbuster but, could the mysterious Coronovirus which has exploded in China and other parts of the world in just 25 days have accidentally leaked from China's only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola. "No chance" I hear you saying but it has happened before, in 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing. It seems highly coincidental that The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens and is the city where the mysterious coronavirus began!

According to The Daily Mail, on its January 2018 opening, biosafety experts and scientists from the US expressed concerns that a virus could escape the lab. In 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing.

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« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2020, 08:25:43 am »
uh huh

"Leaked"

More likely someone selling lab animals to a restaurant.
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« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2020, 08:46:58 am »
Canada (note the date):
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Public Health Agency of Canada describes it as a possible 'policy breach,' no risk to Canadian public
Karen Pauls · CBC News · Posted: Jul 14, 2019 3:50 PM CT | Last Updated: July 14, 2019

A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach."

Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5, CBC News has learned.

A Level 4 virology facility is a lab equipped to work with the most serious and deadly human and animal diseases. That makes the Arlington Street lab one of only a handful in North America capable of handling pathogens requiring the highest level of containment, such as Ebola. ...

While there are few details available, experts say this could be a case of intellectual property theft or technology leakage to China.

"The National Microbiology Laboratory would have some pretty sensitive biological research material that ... could be shared either with or without authorization with foreign countries," said Gordon Houlden, director of the University of Alberta's China Institute.  ...   FULL STORY
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« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2020, 08:53:39 am »
 Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am

Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control.

The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video
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« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2020, 09:06:15 am »
It tastes like frog, but the flavor isn't far off chicken. (You only eat the legs, not the rest of it.)
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Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs.  I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that.  He was an Army cook in WWI.

He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter.  Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake.  We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake.  At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it.  Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2020, 09:19:37 am »
Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am  Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control.  The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video
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Heard yesterday hospitals in China are full of sick people and China said they were building a new hospital that would be ready for patients on Feb. 3.  Must be a tent or tents hospital.  That video on this thread that shows people walking in a city, then dropping to the ground with this illness and medics getting there, is terrible.  Also read the Chinese are concerned due to so many medical personnel becoming infected when treating patients with this disease.

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« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2020, 09:21:35 am »
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Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs.  I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that.  He was an Army cook in WWI.

He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter.  Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake.  We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake.  At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it.  Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.

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We had a school lunch one day (I was in the Second grade) where they had green beans and chopped hot dogs baked into cornbread. It didn't taste bad. It just didn't look right. And ya'll probably know how some kids can't stand to have one food item touching another on their plate.

Anyway, Mrs. Lofthouse was the cafeteria monitor that day so there was no hiding the main course in your milk carton. She insisted everyone should eat everything on their tray. I ate well and was allowed to depart. There was quite a bit of wailing going on. The best thing to do was to eat your lunch and three other kids lunches so you could leave and have someone to play with outside.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2020, 02:44:03 pm »
U.S. Working to Evacuate American Citizens From Epidemic-Stricken Chinese City

WSJ By James T. Areddy and Liza Lin 1/25/2020

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-plans-to-evacuate-citizens-from-epidemic-stricken-chinese-city-11579951256

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The U.S. government is working to evacuate American citizens by air from the epidemic-stricken Chinese city of Wuhan as soon as possible, according to people familiar with the effort.

The operation comes as the death toll from a newly identified coronavirus that originated in Wuhan climbs above 40 and the number of confirmed infections tops 1,300, with many of the cases in and around the central Chinese city of 11 million people.

The fast spread of the disease in recent days across China and around the world, including two cases in the U.S., has raised fears of a deadly contagion.

Roughly 1,000 American citizens are thought to be in Wuhan, and the U.S. consulate there is reaching out to those it knows about to offer a seat on the plane, these people familiar with the matter said.

The plane seats around 230 people, and will include diplomats from the U.S. consulate as well as Americans and their families. Those evacuated will be responsible for the cost.

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« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2020, 03:47:30 pm »
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The Wuhan coronavirus has hit Xinjiang, where China has imprisoned at least 1 million Uighur Muslims. Its filthy detention camps will make inmates sitting ducks.

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The development is significant. If the virus spreads in Xinjiang it could leave the estimated 1 million Uighur Muslims detained in prison camps across the region highly vulnerable to infection. Uighurs call the region East Turkestan.

The camps are filthy, have poor infrastructure, and are packed to busting with prisoners, according to testimony of former inmates. This makes them an ideal breeding ground for disease and infection.

There are at least 465 such camps spread across the region, according to research by the East Turkistan National Awakening Movement activist group last year. (Turkistan is an alternate spelling.)

Plastic buckets for toilets, and rooms so small people have to take turns sleeping

Read more at: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-xinjiang-uighur-squalid-detention-camps-2020-1

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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2020, 04:21:55 pm »
Coronavirus outbreak: Video shows dead bodies in halls of China hospital
By Lia Eustachewich
January 24, 2020 | 10:48am

Disturbing new video shows dead bodies piling up in the hallways of a hospital in China, as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spiral out of control.

The images from inside Red Cross Hospital in Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the deadly viral outbreak, show covered bodies lining corridors as staffers and patients walk about with masks on their faces. ... Full story and video

This sounds like what they did to bodies during the plague in the Middle Ages. 
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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2020, 04:34:58 pm »
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Coronavirus medic claims China is lying as ‘100,000 people are infected’

The sobbing woman – believed to work at the quarantined Wuhan hospital in China – says she has seen Coronavirus victims dying in front of her eyes

 The deadly coronavirus is far worse than the Chinese government has said with 100,000 people infected, a woman believed to be a medic at the centre of the outbreak as claimed.

Since the virus broke out in the city of Wuhan, 41 people have been killed with the number of confirmed cases in China nearly reaching 1,300.

The disease has now been detected in Australia, Nepal, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, France and the United States.

Read more at: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-medic-claims-china-lying-21358174

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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2020, 04:46:13 pm »


The fact that it is now proven to be transmitted from human to human is concerning -- I've read that there is potential for an epidemic -- cases are being reported now in the U.S. They say this cornavirus isn't as threatening as SARS or MERS -- but I think it is too early to tell -- and I see the potential for a pandemic.

How to prepare?

The Next Pandemic Will Come. Here’s How to Prepare

.....The biggest lesson, which China seems to have learned, is that the government must be ruthlessly honest and transparent. The more facts, the better. Hide nothing. It was my trust in that Hong Kong website that eventually made me believe SARS was waning. Once trust between the population and the state breaks down, controlling an outbreak becomes almost impossible.

Another lesson is, thankfully, one we’ve already learned. Screening and surveillance, which should usually be used with caution in free societies, becomes necessary in an outbreak and is effective. Even now various airports around the world are digitally observing the body temperatures of passengers arriving from Wuhan, the center of the new outbreak.

Quarantine should be voluntary at first and actively encouraged by employers and government. Whoever can work from home, via Skype and such, should do so, without fearing recrimination. The more people can keep acting on their own volition, the more “agency” they believe they have, the calmer and more cooperative they will remain. Once an outbreak goes out of control, of course, quarantines must become mandatory.

But the most profound lesson is that we must cooperate as a species, with a geopolitical approach that seems to have gone out of fashion: multilateralism. We’ve always been locked in an arms race between the evolution of viruses, bacteria and fungi and our medicines against them. When a new virus appears, it potentially threatens all of us and should be fought by all of us together.

That means a new bug’s genome, wherever it’s first collected, should be sequenced and immediately made available, like open-source computer code, to certified researchers everywhere. (You still need the World Health Organization or some such body to accredit the boffins, lest the genome gets into the hands of terrorists). All labs and scientists should then share their insights with the entire profession........

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-21/coronavirus-how-we-should-prepare-for-the-next-pandemic

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« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2020, 05:27:47 pm »
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Remember I am old - born 1933 and when I was old enough to know what was happening around me, maybe 4-5 years old, I knew my father caught frogs and fried the legs.  I don't think I ever ate one, but could be wrong about that.  He was an Army cook in WWI.

He had a sense of humor and did this at a gathering in our church where people brought food:
He cooked cornbread in cake pans - and put uncooked hard beans in the batter.  Put a great looking frosting on the fake cake.  We went to that gathering and people got the cake, then began to quietly throw it away, saying nothing, so they wouldn't offend whoever brought the cake.  At some point, I exposed father - told someone he did it.  Then, everyone had a good time laughing at what father did.
I think I would have really like your Dad.
He was a character, and folks like that are getting few and far between in these days of cultural homogenization.
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« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2020, 06:54:22 pm »
Somehow it doesn't make sense to fill a plane with people from Wuhan -- even though they are Americans -- and fly them here.

Instead, take them somewhere "in American territory" (Guam, Midway, etc.), and shelter them for a couple of weeks, to ensure that no one has the virus but is asymptomatic. This includes the plane crew. If they "pass" there, then fly them home.

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Would YOU want to be a crew member on that plane?

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« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2020, 10:33:38 pm »
The coronavirus is more contagious than first thought. 63 cases are suspected in the U.S., 2 confirmed.  Human to human contact is prevalent in China.  IMHO -- the CDC and WHO is downplaying this.   

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6126491177001#sp=show-clips
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« Reply #90 on: January 26, 2020, 08:41:44 am »
Case of coronavirus confirmed in Orange County; officials call risk of transmission ‘low’

The OC Health Care Agency said it received confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday  evening that an Orange County case has tested positive for the coronavirus that appears to have spread from China.

The patient, a “traveler from Wuhan, China, has been in contact with the HCA and was provided guidance in order to reduce exposure to the public while awaiting laboratory confirmation from the CDC. The individual has now been transported to a local hospital and is in isolation in good condition,” the HCA said in a statement.

The Orange County agency said it, in consultation with the CDC and the state Department of Public Health, is following up with all people who have had close contact with the patient.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/
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« Reply #91 on: January 26, 2020, 10:27:55 am »
If we can use all of God's creatures, okay, fine, to feed us but Chinese culture for centuries, seems to have gone into the wrong direction.  It seems they eat some animals in an exotic manner and Chinese medicine, potions, are something else.
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China bans wildlife trade nationwide due to coronavirus outbreak

BEIJING (Reuters) - China banned wildlife trade nationwide in markets, supermarkets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms due to the coronavirus outbreak, the country’s market watchdog, agricultural ministry, and forestry bureau said in a joint statement.

Any places that breed wildlife should be isolated, and the transportation of wildlife should be banned, said the statement.

The ban will take effect from Sunday.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-wildlife/china-bans-wildlife-trade-nationwide-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN1ZP07Y

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Wuhan coronavirus: Hong Kong police, protesters clash as anger erupts over proposal to use housing block as quarantine site

    Protesters respond to quarantine proposal by blocking roads, setting fire to newly constructed block with petrol bombs
    Government pledges to quell concerns at upcoming district council meeting

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047719/wuhan-coronavirus-hong-kong-police-protesters

I thought, there could be a slight impact even in protests as in HK with a contagious flu virus. Probably slight but still there.

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« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2020, 10:36:33 am »
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« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2020, 11:15:55 am »
Case of coronavirus confirmed in Orange County; officials call risk of transmission ‘low’

The OC Health Care Agency said it received confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Saturday  evening that an Orange County case has tested positive for the coronavirus that appears to have spread from China.

The patient, a “traveler from Wuhan, China, has been in contact with the HCA and was provided guidance in order to reduce exposure to the public while awaiting laboratory confirmation from the CDC. The individual has now been transported to a local hospital and is in isolation in good condition,” the HCA said in a statement.

The Orange County agency said it, in consultation with the CDC and the state Department of Public Health, is following up with all people who have had close contact with the patient.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/25/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-orange-county/

How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.

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« Reply #94 on: January 26, 2020, 11:22:57 am »
How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.

I read that it was 14 days (two weeks).   So yeah, it's going to be really hard to contain considering how many people have likely been exposed by now.
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« Reply #95 on: January 26, 2020, 11:44:59 am »
Gertz: Wuhan Virus Linked To China Bio Weapons
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My husband and I were just discussing the coronavirus this morning and he said something doesn't add up and wondered if it was something manufactured in a lab --it seems so.

IMHO this is likely more transmittable then the CDC and WHO is willing to acknowledge -- this is why China is shutting down such large areas.  Also -- I read that there were reports of medical supplies running low.  How can that be if only around 1,300 people have been infected?  For a country with a population of over a billion people and 1,300 cases are going to cause their supplies to run low?  Not buying it.
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« Reply #96 on: January 26, 2020, 11:51:37 am »
How can they possibly assess the risk of transmission? The incubation period for this virus is at least 10 days, Wuhan has been closed for awhile now, meaning this person has likely been running around in CA for at least a week.

I read now that the virus is transmittable before people even start having symptoms. 

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« Reply #97 on: January 26, 2020, 12:12:25 pm »
I read now that the virus is transmittable before people even start having symptoms.

Yes, thats why I can't see how they can determine how much damage each new case might have done before being diagnosed.

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« Reply #98 on: January 26, 2020, 12:22:31 pm »
Yes, thats why I can't see how they can determine how much damage each new case might have done before being diagnosed.

They're just attempting to put a "best case" spin on it.
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« Reply #99 on: January 26, 2020, 12:30:11 pm »
My husband and I were just discussing the coronavirus this morning and he said something doesn't add up and wondered if it was something manufactured in a lab --it seems so.

IMHO this is likely more transmittable then the CDC and WHO is willing to acknowledge -- this is why China is shutting down such large areas.  Also -- I read that there were reports of medical supplies running low.  How can that be if only around 1,300 people have been infected?  For a country with a population of over a billion people and 1,300 cases are going to cause their supplies to run low?  Not buying it.

China is very probably lying about the number of deaths. It isn't likely they'd quarantine 50 million people for 50 deaths - especially in China. The flu kills far more.

You can't trust anything coming out of China.