Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model

[edpc]

Obviously, the Marine, whoever this guy was, said this in a figurative way, then, someone comes in somehow emphasizing, "oh, the ex-military is 26 years old, the tweeter was 72 years old", what's one to make of this? Defend it if you want.  It is confusing that someone would bring this into the conversation and I don't apologize.

First of all, the poster was me. It was when Peter Fonda made the stupid remark about Barron Trump.  The marine in question was Dakota Meyer, who said he would challenge him to a cage match.  As a medal of honor recipient, he should know better than to pop off (and probably drunk tweet) about beating a man almost 50 years his senior for saying something stupid.  Also, since no actual child abuse occurred, it was never defended.  In fact, it was a rebuke of two people who both said exceptionally stupid things, who are old enough to know better.  For you to to construe it as anything else makes you vacuous.  For you to repeatedly convey it that way makes you extremely dishonest and vacuous.

[Right_in_Virginia]

*lothario*...is that what we call adulterers now?

The F.B.I. seized the recording this year during a raid on Mr. Cohen’s office.

*Okay if it's adultery* is what we call the obliteration of attorney client privilege now?

[edpc]

*Okay if it's adultery* is what we call the obliteration of attorney client privilege now?

What privilege?  It was a discussion about a payment that was never made over an affair that never happened.....right? 

[Right_in_Virginia]

What privilege?  It was a discussion about a payment that was never made over an affair that never happened.....right?

I don't give a rat's ass if it was a discussion about unicorns and lollipops .... it was a discussion between a client and his attorney  with the assumption of privilege. 

Without the respect of privilege every prosecutor in America wins, hands down.  Defendants won't even need to show up any more---all a prosecutor will need to do is itemize the work product of the defendant's attorney.

Put aside that this is about Donald Trump and his penis, focus instead on the monumental paradigm shift in our legal system that is being condoned.

[Axeslinger]

I don't give a rat's ass if it was a discussion about unicorns and lollipops .... it was a discussion between a client and his attorney. 

Without the respect of privilege every prosecutor in America wins, hands down.  Defendants won't even need to show up any more---all a prosecutor will need to do is itemize the work product of the defendant's attorney.

Put aside that this is about Donald Trump and his penis, focus instead on the monumental paradigm shift in our legal system that is being condoned.

@Right_in_Virginia
I agree with you here

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia
I agree with you here

 

[Axeslinger]

No need for caustic remarks, if this is interpreted any other way, I'm sorry. At the least, it defend the fiend who made that tweet.

@TomSea
See the comment after your last and then please feel free to continue to have no moral courage.

[XenaLee]

@Right_in_Virginia
I agree with you here

So..... Hell froze?   

[Axeslinger]

So..... Hell froze?   

Oh no...she’s still a PITA (said with nothing but love @Right_in_Virginia ), she’s just absolutely right here!

 

[edpc]

I don't give a rat's ass if it was a discussion about unicorns and lollipops .... it was a discussion between a client and his attorney  with the assumption of privilege. 

Without the respect of privilege every prosecutor in America wins, hands down.  Defendants won't even need to show up any more---all a prosecutor will need to do is itemize the work product of the defendant's attorney.

Put aside that this is about Donald Trump and his penis, focus instead on the monumental paradigm shift in our legal system that is being condoned.

Weirdly enough, it’s about an arrangement made by a Trump ally just before an election to quash an embarrassing story.  Just like the case with Daniels, it has the potential to be an illegal campaign contribution violation.  That’s why the SDNY subpoenaed the CEO of AMI.  Crime-fraud exception negates privilege.

[TomSea]

Daily Caller:

Medal Of Honor Recipient Offers To Get In A Cage With Peter Fonda After Vile Threats
Virginia Kruta | Associate Editor

Veteran Marine sniper and Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer laid down a challenge on Thursday for actor Peter Fonda following the latter’s now-deleted Twitter rant attacking those he had deemed responsible for the separation of parents and children who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border illegally.

    @DonaldJTrumpJr I have a great idea. Why don’t we put @iamfonda in a cage with me so he can see what threatening an 11 yr old should get him?

    — Dakota Meyer (@Dakota_Meyer) June 21, 2018

In a series of tweets, Fonda had lashed out at ICE agents, DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, but it was a tweet calling for the kidnapping and caging of Barron Trump that raised eyebrows and eventually got the Secret Service involved.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/medal-of-honor-cage-fonda/

The story is all there. That someone is then popping off and really taunting, Fonda is 72 years old, Meyer is 26 beggars belief. Call it what one wants.

[Frank Cannon]

Like I said, just keep voting for the greater lawless, adulterous lying sack of shit who promises you the biggest bullshit you will swallow then.

Don't vote for what people will do. I vote for the person who will do the least damage. Trump is coming through like a champ on that. My bank account says so.

[Axeslinger]

Daily Caller:

The story is all there. That someone is then popping off and really taunting, Fonda is 72 years old, Meyer is 26 beggars belief. Call it what one wants.

We know the story, you’ve repeated it 16 times!   None of that excuses you saying that TBRs defend child abuse!  And the fact that you are too gutless to simply admit you were/are wrong speaks to your lack of character....and this in the same thread we’re you call others out from your utterly non-existant high horse.   Grow a spine @TomSea . 

[edpc]

The story is all there. That someone is then popping off and really taunting, Fonda is 72 years old, Meyer is 26 beggars belief. Call it what one wants.

This post is some unintelligible nonsense. Besides, you get the most basic facts wrong. Fonda is 78 and Myer just turned 30.  Keep blathering, however.  It just makes you look more the fool.

[darroll]

Don't vote for what people will do. I vote for the person who will do the least damage. Trump is coming through like a champ on that. My bank account says so.

Yup.

[mystery-ak]

Michael Cohen's lawyer fires back at Giuliani: ‘Any attempt at spin can not change what is on the tape’
by Caitlin Yilek
 | July 20, 2018 05:46 PM

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Michael Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, shot back at President Trump’s lawyer Friday, hinting that Cohen’s secret recording of Trump discussing a payment to a former Playboy model will be more damaging to the president than his former longtime fixer.

Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times that the recording lasts less than two minutes and “nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance.”

Davis said Giuliani’s response won’t change what is heard on the tape.

“Obviously, there is an ongoing investigation, and we are sensitive to that. But suffice it to say that when the recording is heard, it will not hurt @MichaelCohen212. Any attempt at spin can not change what is on the tape,” Davis tweeted Friday night.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-cohens-lawyer-fires-back-at-giuliani-any-attempt-at-spin-can-not-change-what-is-on-the-tape

[corbe]

   This time we got him. /s

[INVAR]

*Okay if it's adultery* is what we call the obliteration of attorney client privilege now?

Pragmatic Conservatism.

That's what you call everything now.

[INVAR]

Don't vote for what people will do. I vote for the person who will do the least damage. Trump is coming through like a champ on that. My bank account says so.

Of course for you.

However, not many of us own half the nation's Section 8 firetrap flats and transient hotels like you do, and few to none of us can turn EBT cards into cash like you can.

That said, I'm done voting for the lesser evil to save my own interests.  Been doing that since 1988 and Conservatism has nothing to show for it.

[edpc]

“Obviously, there is an ongoing investigation, and we are sensitive to that. But suffice it to say that when the recording is heard, it will not hurt @MichaelCohen212. Any attempt at spin can not change what is on the tape,” Davis tweeted Friday night.

Keep in mind that although he is a lawyer, Lanny Davis was hired to be a public relations rep.  The lawyer who is handling Cohen’s legal defense is Guy Petrillo.  Anything said by David should be viewed through the PR prism.

[corbe]

Analysis: 2 troubling questions for Trump in light of the new Michael Cohen tape revelation  (Compost)
Aaron Blake
 
1 hr ago
 
We've known for a while Michael Cohen taped some of his conversations and investigators had those tapes. What we did not know was whether a tape of President Trump was included or whether the two discussed legally problematic things.

We now know the answers to those questions: Trump was, and they did.

The Washington Post has confirmed that potential turning point of a story. Investigators have a tape of Cohen and Trump discussing purchasing the rights to Playboy model Karen McDougal's story of an alleged affair with Trump from the National Enquirer's parent company, about two months before the 2016 election. The New York Times first reported the story. Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani confirmed the tape exists but said it is actually “exculpatory,” because Trump suggests the payment should be documented, and the payment was not actually made.

Let's assume for a moment that is true and nothing on the tape is, in and of itself, damning. It still raises some important questions, the most important of which is: Why were they even talking about such things?

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-2-troubling-questions-for-trump-in-light-of-the-new-michael-cohen-tape-revelation/ar-BBKS6RP?ocid=ientp

[catfish1957]

Hey @TomSea ol buddy, ol pal...

We’re all still waiting for you to either provide proof that members of TBR support child abuse.  Or you can recant and admit that you were lying out your ass...again.

Put up or shut up ol buddy, ol pal.

Or when the <NOPE> stated that every briefer here was the same as alQaeda or ISIS if they didn't support Trump.

So many lies.

[edpc]

“We have no knowledge of any of this,” spokeswoman Hope Hicks said when it was revealed the National Enquirer had paid for McDougal’s story.  That denial has now fallen apart; Trump clearly knew about the Enquirer paying for the story, given he was talking about buying the rights to it.

This is what happens when you hire your Communications Director from Tinder.


Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani confirmed the tape exists but said it is actually “exculpatory,” because Trump suggests the payment should be documented, and the payment was not actually made.

Trump must be somewhat worried.  He's reported to have said, "I can’t believe Michael would do this to me."

[INVAR]

Or when the TomSea stated that every briefer here was the same as alQaeda or ISIS if they didn't support Trump.

So many lies.

Yup.  That one too among many.

Slander is what he does now when he gets his blood pressure up over the refusal to genuflect his Dear Leader and see him as the Greatness he sees him to be.

[corbe]

Giuliani: Trump Didn't Know Cohen Taped Conversation on Payment to Ex-Model

By Todd Beamon    |   Friday, 20 July 2018 01:48 PM

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Friday that President Donald Trump did not know he was secretly taped by ex-lawyer Michael Cohen as they discussed a possible payment to an ex-Playboy model over an alleged affair, according to news reports.

CNN reported Friday that Giuliani, now a member of Trump's personal legal team, said Trump learned earlier this week of the tape, which was first disclosed by The New York Times.

Giuliani told the cable network that telephone conversation was recorded in September 2016 at Trump Tower, where Trump's campaign offices were located.

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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/cohen-trump-recorded-payment/2018/07/20/id/872873/

[INVAR]

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Friday that President Donald Trump did not know he was secretly taped by ex-lawyer Michael Cohen as they discussed a possible payment to an ex-Playboy model over an alleged affair, according to news reports.

CNN reported Friday that Giuliani, now a member of Trump's personal legal team, said Trump learned earlier this week of the tape, which was first disclosed by The New York Times.

Giuliani told the cable network that telephone conversation was recorded in September 2016 at Trump Tower, where Trump's campaign offices were located.

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Sounds like Cohen took out an insurance policy to cover himself in the event he found himself thrown under a bus.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Weirdly enough, it’s about an arrangement made by a Trump ally just before an election to quash an embarrassing story. 

Weirdly enough a porn star targeted a billionaire for money.  I think you're right  .. we need to stop the presses for this!

Every day hundreds of nuisance cases are settled.  The money is paid to make the nuisance go away.  The check includes a non-disparagement/disclosure agreement to make sure of it.

You've got to dust off the old Nikes and walk around real people in the real world. It will do amazing things for your myopic worldview.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Oh no...she’s still a PITA (said with nothing but love @Right_in_Virginia ), she’s just absolutely right here!

 

I'll take it!  @Axeslinger   

[edpc]

Weirdly enough a porn star targeted a billionaire for money.  I think you're right  .. we need to stop the presses for this!

Every day hundreds of nuisance cases are settled.  The money is paid to make the nuisance go away.  The check includes a non-disparagement/disclosure agreement to make sure of it.

You've got to dust off the old Nikes and walk around real people in the real world. It will do amazing things for your myopic worldview.

Exactly who targeted whom?  Both McDougal and Daniels were brought to Trump by Schiller.  The fact the guy is a moral disaster surprises absolutely nobody.  That he would hire lawyers like Cohn and Cohen to be his version of Pelicano doesn't, either.  I associate with real people on a daily basis.  Strangely, the number of them throughout my life who have been associated with the porn industry is zero.  That's the type of myopia I'd prefer to keep, thank you.

[XenaLee]

I'll take it!  @Axeslinger   

You two really need to get a room!     

[edpc]

“Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) - almost unheard of,” Trump tweeted, in an apparent reference to an FBI raid on Cohen in April.

“Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client - totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong!”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-trump/trump-denies-wrongdoing-says-lawyers-tape-perhaps-illegal-idUSKBN1KB0FF

[corbe]

   What I find inconceivable is that a so called 'Billionaire' would hire a no talent hack like Cohen to handle such 'delicate' issues. 
   I, for one, welcome our new puzzygate overlords, after all, he brought it all on himself.  #MAGA

[edpc]

What I find inconceivable is that a so called 'Billionaire' would hire a no talent hack like Cohen to handle such 'delicate' issues.  I, for one, welcome our new puzzygate overlords, after all, he brought it all on himself.  #MAGA

You would’ve really loved his predecessor – a disbarred, criminal, boy lover that died from AIDS.  I’m sure whatever dirty work Roy Cohn did disappeared like Hoover’s files.

[darroll]

This is better than the old soap operas......

[Sighlass]

That seared conscience thing you people display is a thing to behold!

You people hate being reminded about principles, virtue and morality as much as the Godless Left does.

Bingo... Invar. Moral high ground be damned, that is for losers.

..snip...The Wall Street Journal reported in November 2016 that McDougal was paid $150,000 by American Media Inc. — the parent company to the National Enquirer — for the rights to the story, but it never ran. McDougal has sued AMI, alleging Cohen was secretly involved in those discussions. The lawsuit was settled in April.... {rest at article linked below}........

https://constitution.com/trump-lawyer-cohens-dirty-tricks-against-the-donald-disclosed/

So the National Enquirer brokers stories depending on how much the parties will pay (or they figure the story will help sell rags). Trump has inside scoop with Cohen as his lawyer to prevent stories from running. Now flashback with the N.E. running a story on Cruz claiming multiple mistresses (bs story that came out in the middle of the election helping Trump). Wonder just how much a hand Trump had getting that story published?

[edpc]

Trump attorneys waive privilege on secret recording about ex-Playmate payment

(CNN) President Donald Trump's lawyers have waived attorney-client privilege on his behalf regarding a secretly recorded conversation he had in September 2016 with his former longtime lawyer Michael Cohen in which they discussed payments to an ex-Playboy model who says she had an affair with the President, according to sources familiar with the matter.

*************

The prosecutors working on the case had not reviewed the recording because it, along with millions of other documents and files seized in FBI searches of Cohen's home, hotel room and office in April, was undergoing the special master process, in which an independent party reviews whether the items should be regarded as privileged and thus withheld from prosecutors. The special master had designated the recording as privileged, according to two sources familiar with the process, but Trump's lawyers subsequently waived their right to maintain that designation.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/21/politics/trump-cohen-recording-privilege/index.html


Well, I guess we know who leaked it, now.  Given the 'exculpatory' statement by Rudy, it seems like they wanted to get out in front with their message.

[corbe]

Rev. Robert Jeffress Defends Trump Amid Tape Chaos: We Also Supported ‘Known Womanizer’ Ronald Reagan

by Joseph A. Wulfsohn | 12:01 am, July 21st, 2018
 
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“This is not an unusual thing. We’ve been here before,” Jeffress told Fox News’ Ed Henry. “Back in 1980, evangelicals chose to support a twice-married Hollywood actor who was a known womanizer in Hollywood. His name was Ronald Reagan. They chose to support him over Jimmy Carter, with a born-again Baptist Sunday school teacher who had been faithfully married to one woman. The reason we supported President Reagan was not because we supporting womanizing or divorce. We supported his policies. And that’s true here, Ed. We are choosing to support his policies. We’re not under any illusion that we were voting for an altar boy when we voted for President Trump. We knew about his past. And by the way, none of us has a perfect past. We voted for him because of his policies.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/rev-robert-jeffress-defends-trump-amid-tape-chaos-we-also-supported-known-womanizer-ronald-reagan/

[INVAR]

Well, they should make sure in the future that they vote for the most egregious womanizer, liar, malcontent, backstabber and lawless person they find, so they can crow about the fact that they did 'not vote for an altar boy', so as to justify all the bullshit and consequences that follow.

After all, you can always trust an adulterous liar to keep his campaign promises and his oath of office, right?

[musiclady]

Well, they should make sure in the future that they vote for the most egregious womanizer, liar, malcontent, backstabber and lawless person they find, so they can crow about the fact that they did 'not vote for an altar boy', so as to justify all the bullshit and consequences that follow.

After all, you can always trust an adulterous liar to keep his campaign promises and his oath of office, right?

The one thing I have never seen a Trump devotee admit is that being a serial adulterer means that you repeatedly have violated the most important promise/vow of a lifetime.  There is no way to trust a man who is repeatedly unfaithful.

And I have never seen any of them admit that they most likely condemned Bill Clinton as untrustworthy because of his dalliances (much more understandable with Hillary than with Ivana or Melania, I might add), but somehow feel it is not a problem with Trump.

The double standard is so....................... leftist.  Is it not?

[berdie]

I read this whole thread looking for opinions. It kind of got off track, lol.

I did quite a bit of research today. So my questions are this:

Mueller is supposed to be investigating Russian collusion. What does Stormy D or this chick have to do with this? Can they pull his funding for being frivolous?

Is Cohen in legal trouble for taping the conversation? I mean I know that ethically he's a skunk. But legally?

[edpc]

I read this whole thread looking for opinions. It kind of got off track, lol.

I did quite a bit of research today. So my questions are this:

Mueller is supposed to be investigating Russian collusion. What does Stormy D or this chick have to do with this? Can they pull his funding for being frivolous?

Is Cohen in legal trouble for taping the conversation? I mean I know that ethically he's a skunk. But legally?

This is under the SDNY investigation.  Mueller is not leading it.  Besides, this is regarding the other chick, McDougal.

[corbe]

I read this whole thread looking for opinions. It kind of got off track, lol.

I did quite a bit of research today. So my questions are this:

Mueller is supposed to be investigating Russian collusion. What does Stormy D or this chick have to do with this? Can they pull his funding for being frivolous?

Is Cohen in legal trouble for taping the conversation? I mean I know that ethically he's a skunk. But legally?

   Shamefully @berdie  I will answer your question with another question, What did Monica Lewinski have to do with Whitewater?

   In NY it is legal to record a conversation if only one person knows, Cohen knew (quite certain Trump knew too).

[INVAR]

The one thing I have never seen a Trump devotee admit is that being a serial adulterer means that you repeatedly have violated the most important promise/vow of a lifetime.  There is no way to trust a man who is repeatedly unfaithful.

And I have never seen any of them admit that they most likely condemned Bill Clinton as untrustworthy because of his dalliances (much more understandable with Hillary than with Ivana or Melania, I might add), but somehow feel it is not a problem with Trump.

The double standard is so....................... leftist.  Is it not?

It's not unethical or immoral if THEIR guy does it.   It's only when a Democrat does it that it falls into the realm of provable untrustworthiness.

Because - they did not vote for an Altar Boy, they knew in advance their guy was what he was and they LIKE that he was an adulterous lying Circus master.    Those of us reminding them that the fruits of immorality and lack of principles make Trump untrustworthy are merely greeted with the same kinds of contempt you get from the Secular Left when their hypocrisy gets called upon for what it is.

Aside from the fact that Trump denied any payment being made to silence the porn star.

Of course if he kept his wedding vows, none of this would even be an issue - but damn those of us pointing it out because that makes us 'holier than thou' cretins demanding a theocracy.

[edpc]

Haven’t we seen this movie before?  Seems like a couple decades ago, we had a known philanderer, uncomfortably close to and suspected of being under the influence of a foreign power, excused for his actions, because the economy was good.  This remake sucks.  Absurd characters and ridiculous dialogue.

[INVAR]

Haven’t we seen this movie before?  Seems like a couple decades ago, we had a known philanderer, uncomfortably close to and suspected of being under the influence of a foreign power, excused for his actions, because the economy was good.  This remake sucks.  Absurd characters and ridiculous dialogue.

But no cigars or blue dresses that we know of yet.

[berdie]

This is under the SDNY investigation.  Mueller is not leading it.  Besides, this is regarding the other chick, McDougal.

I knew it was about McDougle....but I thought Meuller was the honcho in charge, thanks for the info. ^-^

[berdie]

   Shamefully @berdie  I will answer your question with another question, What did Monica Lewinski have to do with Whitewater?

   In NY it is legal to record a conversation if only one person knows, Cohen knew (quite certain Trump knew too).

Thanks for your reply @corbe. Your "question-answer" was most valid.

Also, it sounds like there is no issue with the recording. I read two different opinions today while trying to figure this out. One agreed with you. That's two out of three. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Rev. Robert Jeffress Defends Trump Amid Tape Chaos: We Also Supported ‘Known Womanizer’ Ronald Reagan

by Joseph A. Wulfsohn | 12:01 am, July 21st, 2018
 
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“This is not an unusual thing. We’ve been here before,” Jeffress told Fox News’ Ed Henry. “Back in 1980, evangelicals chose to support a twice-married Hollywood actor who was a known womanizer in Hollywood. His name was Ronald Reagan. They chose to support him over Jimmy Carter, with a born-again Baptist Sunday school teacher who had been faithfully married to one woman. The reason we supported President Reagan was not because we supporting womanizing or divorce. We supported his policies. And that’s true here, Ed. We are choosing to support his policies. We’re not under any illusion that we were voting for an altar boy when we voted for President Trump. We knew about his past. And by the way, none of us has a perfect past. We voted for him because of his policies.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/rev-robert-jeffress-defends-trump-amid-tape-chaos-we-also-supported-known-womanizer-ronald-reagan/

Oh FFS ...

 

Conservatism is a joke of an ideology.

[darroll]

In the old days you had to have pictures to prove adultery.