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President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

The F.B.I. seized the recording this year during a raid on Mr. Cohen’s office. The Justice Department is investigating Mr. Cohen’s involvement in paying women to tamp down embarrassing news stories about Mr. Trump ahead of the 2016 election....


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-tape.html



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Just the kind of lawyer one wants representing them!

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Should have put it in a storage unit or something, I can see the reason for wanting a record of these things.
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Ruh roh..... I have a sudden sense of a disturbance in the force and an impending event wherein le dense matter impacts with le whirling blades.

But... then again....

it IS the New York Slimes. 
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When The Wall Street Journal revealed the existence of the payment days before the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said, “We have no knowledge of any of this.” She said Ms. McDougal’s claim of an affair was “totally untrue.”
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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And apparently by commenting, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani has waved attorney-client privilege.  The clown-show continues. 

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Just the kind of lawyer one wants representing them!

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Should have put it in a storage unit or something, I can see the reason for wanting a record of these things.
FWIW in California, it is not legal to record, without consent.

In the morning, my wife notes the networks are already under waywith their daily smear coverage of Trump.

And I can plan for the same here, thanks to " social media advisor" curated feed, to please the #nevertrumper audience.

Today, This is the rilly big one!! Gonna bring him down. Jeff Flake, James Comey all suited up in heir Peacock Feathers,and strutting around.  A little soft Boosch fambly tune, playing in the background, in memory of their Hillary votes by (GHW, Babs bless her recently departed soul. Probbly low energy Jeb and his Familia).

If the dems/media and #nevertrumps can't brink him down, they can weaken him enough to block his agenda.

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Still consenting adults if this is so...so, it's not something to get to bent out of shape about. I don't like it but did something illegal occur?

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Still consenting adults if this is so...so, it's not something to get to bent out of shape about.

No.  You people don't give a shit about oaths or vows as long as it's your political prince violating them.
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No.  You people don't give a shit about oaths or vows as long as it's your political prince violating them.


That aside, one of Trump's mantras is how the media is the 'enemy of the people.'  Well, in this case, you have a media entity that blew the lid off the Edwards affair, but engaged in 'catch and kill' to protect Trump.  The recording itself may not mean anything, legally, but the arrangement just might.
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No.  You people don't give a shit about oaths or vows as long as it's your political prince violating them.

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Giuliani: Cohen tape is 'powerful exculpatory evidence'
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 07/20/18 12:53 PM EDT

President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani said Friday that a tape of Trump and his then-personal lawyer Michael Cohen discussing a payment to a former Playboy model will exonerate Trump.

“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Giuliani told The New York Times of the taped conversation about the payment.

“In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” he added.

The tape, reportedly seized by the FBI during a raid of Cohen's office earlier this year, features a conversation between Trump and Cohen two months before the 2016 election about making a payment to former Playboy model Karen McDougal, who alleges she had an affair with Trump.

Cohen is reportedly under federal investigation over payments he made to women alleging affairs with Trump ahead of the 2016 election.

Giuliani told The Times that the payment was never made to McDougal, and that the recording lasted less than two minutes.

Cohen's attorney, Lanny Davis, declined to comment to The Times.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398070-giuliani-cohen-tape-is-powerful-exculpatory-evidence
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More nothing burgers. 

But keep clutching those pearls NT'ers
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I believe voters have already made a determination about the young lothario Trump and have decided to keep him anyway.

The Left and NeverTrump Republicans will just have to swallow that fact.
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I believe voters have already made a determination about the young lothario Trump and have decided to keep him anyway.

The Left and NeverTrump Republicans will just have to swallow that fact.

If that were indeed a "fact", I'd be willing to accept it.  Of course it isn't.   *****rollingeyes*****  Voters haven't had a chance to decide "to keep" (or not to keep) President Trump.  They won't get that chance until 2020. 

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I know, right?

That seared conscience thing you people display is a thing to behold!

You people hate being reminded about principles, virtue and morality as much as the Godless Left does.
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   Trump used Pecker's NE to release the Cruz/Mistresses $hit 3 days before Super Tuesday~all unsubstantiated BS and it cost Cruz votes, had the Evangelicals known about all this crap, which I believe is TRUE, I think it would have cost Trump the election. 
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I believe voters have already made a determination about the young lothario Trump and have decided to keep him anyway.

The Left and NeverTrump Republicans will just have to swallow that fact.

*lothario*...is that what we call adulterers now?
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I know, right?

That seared conscience thing you people display is a thing to behold!

You people hate being reminded about principles, virtue and morality as much as the Godless Left does.

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Principles?  You make me laugh.  So many Trump supporters gave those up when they criticized Obama's deficit spending but simply accept it when "their guy" does it. 
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“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Giuliani told The New York Times of the taped conversation about the payment.

“In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” he added.


You get an unwelcome, unwanted saliva shower from that, courtesy of the Giuliani lisp.  I guess he'll be making the rounds on TV again.  That should be fun.
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I know, right?

That seared conscience thing you people display is a thing to behold!

You people hate being reminded about principles, virtue and morality as much as the Godless Left does.

Perhaps more because it's new and exciting to them.

The left has been mocking morality for decades.  These people (who claim to be) on the right have just been at it since 2016.
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I'm sorry, never-Trumpers made the decision to not be a part of things, Conservatism is happening and no thanks to you. Men are not perfect, Jefferson owned slaves and bedded one.

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You get an unwelcome, unwanted saliva shower from that, courtesy of the Giuliani lisp.  I guess he'll be making the rounds on TV again.  That should be fun.

Is it just me....?..... that thinks Giuliani has been an underwhelming embarrassment?
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*lothario*...is that what we call adulterers now?

The left has loads of euphemisms for old-fashioned sin.
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Principles?  You make me laugh.  So many Trump supporters gave those up when they criticized Obama's deficit spending but simply accept it when "their guy" does it. 
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Somewhere I think we are ships passing in the night and just missed it.
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Principles?  You make me laugh.  So many Trump supporters gave those up when they criticized Obama's deficit spending but simply accept it when "their guy" does it. 
 :bs:

 :bs:

Forget that Trump said that's exactly what he was going to do, he did not campaign as a small government conservative. Someone's not being honest here and I don't think it's Trump.


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Talk about "principles", you aren't a player on social issues, you gave those up with your anti-Trump stances.

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I believe voters have already made a determination about the young lothario Trump and have decided to keep him anyway.

The Left and NeverTrump Republicans will just have to swallow that fact.


LOL.....the 'young lothario' was a 60 year old man having simultaneous unprotected dalliences with (at least) a playboy model and a porn actress, while his 3rd wife was taking care of their 6 month old son.  What an absolute low life.
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Everyone knew that this was the type of person that Trump was when they voted for him.  Nothing burger......

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I'm sorry, never-Trumpers made the decision to not be a part of things, Conservatism is happening and no thanks to you.

No, Conservatism is NOT happening.  Liberal Populism is happening.  Deficit spending is happening.  Vows and morality ridiculed is happening.

Why would an actual Conservative want to be a party to that?

I know, I know... if your fellow Conservatives are jumping off a cliff onto rocks, then the rest of us should too according to you people.

Everyone knew that this was the type of person that Trump was when they voted for him.  Nothing burger......

Exactly.  Same as those who voted for Obama and Hildabeast knew what they were when they voted for them.

Vote for the known-liar and cretin, but believe what they promise you.
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Everyone knew that this was the type of person that Trump was when they voted for him.  Nothing burger......

Yep that's true....
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I believe voters have already made a determination about the young lothario Trump and have decided to keep him anyway.

The Left and NeverTrump Republicans will just have to swallow that fact.

Just like in 1992, everybody knew what Bill Clinton was, and they voted for him, anyway.  People really don't care, they assume all politicians are horndogs.

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Talk about "principles", you aren't a player on social issues, you gave those up with your anti-Trump stances.

Well, that's your problem right there.  I'm never going to be a "player" when it comes to principles and morality.  They are not up for surrender to the politician who promises me what I want to hear.
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It's not like we (or his 2nd and 3rd wives) didn't know trump laid more track than the Union Pacific Railroad over the years.  So get over it. 
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It's not like we (or his 2nd and 3rd wives) didn't know trump laid more track than the Union Pacific Railroad over the years.  So get over it.

And look at Jimmy Carter, who's greatest sex scandal was admitting that he had 'lust in his heart'.   How did that work out?

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Principles?  You make me laugh.  So many Trump supporters gave those up when they criticized Obama's deficit spending but simply accept it when "their guy" does it. 
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LOL, yep.

I don't take much credence in accusations of 'virtue signaling' from those who support acting without virtue at all.

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Is it just me....?..... that thinks Giuliani has been an underwhelming embarrassment?

No, it's not just you.

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I'm not about to go,

Vote R,
1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush 41.. not that time.
1992 Bush 41
1996 Dole
2000 Bush 43
2004 Bush 43
2008 McCain
2012,  Romney

Oh, I'm going to NOT vote for the Republican candidate in 2016 and that in spite of whomever seems to basically support liberalism with their disdain for others.

 *please*

Congrats to the morality police, showing others their faults.
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When you run for office, you have to be able to point out old gal friends that might come back and say they had an affair. (For Big Bucks)

I thought you had to turn on the beeper to record people? Have we no laws anymore?

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Forget that Trump said that's exactly what he was going to do, he did not campaign as a small government conservative. Someone's not being honest here and I don't think it's Trump.

I agree someone's not being honest and I'm afraid it's you.  Aren't you the one who argues about how "conservative" Trump is?  So he's "conservative" just not "fiscally conservative"?  Jeez.  Here's a report from during the campaign:

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Donald Trump insists he would be able to wipe out the United States’s debt in eight years.

The Republican presidential front-runner said in a wide-ranging interview with The Washington Post that he’d be able to get rid of the more than $19 trillion debt “over a period of eight years.”
Eliminating that amount of debt in eight years is highly improbable, according to most economists, The Washington Post reported. It could require using $2 trillion a year from the annual $4 trillion budget to pay off holders of the debt.

When's he going to "wipe out the debt"?  He's adding to it.  Let's keep it honest please.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years
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What does not kill you makes you stronger.

After the Access Hollywood tape broke on candidate Trump in October the voters went ahead and voted for the Donald anyway in November. That means voters made up their minds and were willing to hire him anyway. They knew they weren’t getting a choirboy.

I think Trump has acquired immunity or dispensation, or something.

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What does not kill you makes you stronger.

After the Access Hollywood tape broke on candidate Trump in October the voters went ahead and voted for the Donald anyway in November. That means voters made up their minds and were willing to hire him anyway. They knew they weren’t getting a choirboy.

I think Trump has acquired immunity or dispensation, or something.

We voted for a "choirboy" in 1976, it didn't work out.

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So, if the tape is 'exculpatory,' as Rudy claims, why would Cohen tape this brief, seemingly innocuous conversation it and retain it?  My theory:  Trump is on tape requesting payment in check form, so 'there is a record.'  It makes everything look above board, should the deal arrangement with The Enquirer ever get out.  It's a CYA tape and they know it.  It's exactly why Giuliani has previously said 'as long as Michael tells the truth,' they're fine.  They're preparing to call him a liar, if he cooperates and tells the full story.
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LOL, yep.

I don't take much credence in accusations of 'virtue signaling' from those who support acting without virtue at all.

Who started the ridiculous "virtue signaling" anyway?

The only times I've seen that accusation used have been when the one who uses it opposes virtue itself. 

Why would you want to indict yourself like that in public?   :shrug:
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We voted for a "choirboy" in 1976, it didn't work out.

So that requires voting for a "lothario" so that things DO work out?

What kind of pretzel logic is that, anyway?

Your comment makes absolutely no sense....

Sheesh
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Principles?  You make me laugh.  So many Trump supporters gave those up when they criticized Obama's deficit spending but simply accept it when "their guy" does it. 
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Where are the Repukes that do want to cut spending?

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Where are the Repukes that do want to cut spending?

Unfortunately, they're deferring to the President of the United States.  That's precisly why I think we need REAL leadership on tackling the debt and the deficit.  Hopefully in 2020.
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Unfortunately, they're deferring to the President of the United States.  That's precisly why I think we need REAL leadership on tackling the debt and the deficit.  Hopefully in 2020.

Why? They are the ones who originate the spending bills, I'm sure Trump would sign whatever they'd put across his desk if it cut spending.  There's nothing stopping them.