Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[TomSea]

   Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
   In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful. 
   Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.

 Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.

@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
  (RIV)  and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele   are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter  @musiclady 

Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.

@corbe

[TomSea]

What Moore said, I'd be danged if that was something racist, I don't see why this train of debate is merited. I don't think he in any way, deprecated African American people, all he said was "families were more unified"... That was what made America great, inspite of their still being slavery.

[EasyAce]

I don't think he in any way, deprecated African American people, all he said was "families were more unified"...

That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.

[skeeter]

@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
  (RIV)  and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele   are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter  @musiclady 

Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.

@corbe

 

[corbe]

@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
  (RIV)  and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele   are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter  @musiclady 

Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.

@corbe

    @TomSea  BUSTED! me, again.

[musiclady]

That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.

Thank you, sir!! 

[Cyber Liberty]

Thank you, sir!! 

@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center.   

[musiclady]

@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
  (RIV)  and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele   are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter  @musiclady 

Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.

@corbe

LOL!  Unbalanced because I am not in love??  You amuse me, Tom.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump, nor my recognition that he is not an honorable man.

The world outside of Trump actually exists.

You should try to join us in the real world some time.

@TomSea

This thread is about the election in Alabama.   Join in.

[TomSea]

That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.

Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis and Detroit are all so much better aren't they?

[musiclady]

   Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
   In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful. 
   Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.

 Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.

I am honored by your kind, kind words, @corbe , but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that none of us is righteous, least of all myself.   Only in Jesus Christ is there any good in me at all.

Thank you so much for being so kind.  I have the utmost respect for you.

[musiclady]

@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center.   

Seriously.  He has that effect on many of us!

[EasyAce]

@Cyber Liberty
@musiclady

You think far too highly of me. I'm only a man. But thank you for the kind words!

[TomSea]

And the above doesn't even go into some things that some black pro-lifers have said.


Black Pastor Slams Abortion: 1,800 Black Babies Killed in Abortion Each Day
National   Micaiah Bilger   Jul 26, 2017   |   5:36PM    Washington, DC
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/07/26/black-pastor-slams-abortion-1800-black-babies-killed-in-abortion-each-day/

http://blackgenocide.org/home.html

I'm sure one can find cases always for pros and cons on both sides, Moore merely said families were more united even though there was slavery.  Well, he may have been wrong but the above doesn't look too great either.

[TomSea]

@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center.   

@Cyber Liberty

Sorry, I think 1800 black babies being killed daily is a horror.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Sorry, I think 1800 black babies being killed daily is a horror.

I wasn't aware horrors come in either/or flavors.  Could be both, you know.

[TomSea]

High incarceration rates, high crime rates in a number of cities, good luck in just picking up some news clip and thinking that dispels modern day horrors.

Maybe Moore wasn't precise but an argument could be made he wasn't far off, again, his exact words don't seem to be speaking positively for slavery or racist, that's media spin... he seemed to say families were more united during this period. Do we know if that is absolutely false?

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

If we restrict our discussion of human history to the times when slavery didn't exist, it's going to be a very short discussion.

[Smokin Joe]

If we restrict our discussion of human history to the times when slavery didn't exist, it's going to be a very short discussion.

It won't include today. Muslims still have slaves.

[Sighlass]

Like it or not, friend, it is overtly racist to look a black man in the eye and say that the days of slavery, when black families were torn to pieces by being sold and separated, were when America was "great" because families were stronger.

If one cares one whit about black families, then one doesn't make comments like this.

Either that, or he is dumber than a box of rocks, and twice as ignorant.

You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to know the ravages that slavery inflicted on black families.

You just have to be a decent, caring, educated person.

The fact that the accusation of racism has been abused doesn't mean the reality of it doesn't exist.

(It was stated earlier, that if Moore were a true conservative, he would have taken the opportunity to rant against LBJ's "Great Society," and how it destroyed black families.  But no.  Moore made a fool of himself with his ignorance).

@musiclady @Smokin Joe @Bigun @TomSea

Or you could of actually got the true story of what Roy Moore said instead of believing the 400 fake media reports that ran with a falsified report of what Roy Moore said.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-twists-roy-moores-comments-about-slavery-and-american-greatness/

I am not going to bother quoting it for you. If you claim to actually care about spreading truth over lies then you know what to do. Read the PJ article and compare it to what 400 other media stations put out. I would as a fellow Christian ask if you think my article from PJ was telling the truth on this subject or not. Because it directly to me proves the other media as spreading "fake news" on Roy being a racist here.

[musiclady]

@musiclady @Smokin Joe @Bigun @TomSea

Or you could of actually got the true story of what Roy Moore said instead of believing the 400 fake media reports that ran with a falsified report of what Roy Moore said.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-twists-roy-moores-comments-about-slavery-and-american-greatness/

I am not going to bother quoting it for you. If you claim to actually care about spreading truth over lies then you know what to do. Read the PJ article and compare it to what 400 other media stations put out. I would as a fellow Christian ask if you think my article from PJ was telling the truth on this subject or not. Because it directly to me proves the other media as spreading "fake news" on Roy being a racist here.

I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.

There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.

I'm not that stupid.

Please give me a little credit.

Edited to add:  I didn't even hear or read a 'media report' on this.  I went directly to his comments, with no media influence.  One has to work very hard to excuse what he said, though I have no doubt that many feel like that's what they need to do.

I stand by my words because they reflect accurately the racism in Moore's comment.

[Bigun]

I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.

There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.

I'm not that stupid.

Please give me a little credit.

So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united?  THAT is breathtaking!

[musiclady]

So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united?  THAT is breathtaking!

What's breathtaking is that you deliberately missed the whole point and said something this mindless.

He could have gone to the 1950's to make his point.  Going to the time of slavery when black families were torn apart to find a time when families were "united" was tone deaf, stupid, and ignorant.

That you agree with Moore on that, is more than breathtaking...... it's unbelievable.   You're a smart guy.  Don't act dumb just to try to be cute.

Any further comments to me on this thread will be "Mark as Read."

If anyone wants to know the TRUTH about what I've said here, look it up and read the words that are there.

I'm done with being deliberately misquoted and misinterpreted.

I've made my points clearly and repeatedly.

Enough.   

[Sighlass]

I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.

There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.

I'm not that stupid.

Please give me a little credit.

Lets look at his exact words you say is racist.

I think we've been striving for that greatness all the way through. I think you're right about that. And I think it was great in the minds of those who formed the Declaration, though they were not perfect people. They had problems. Those problems have been corrected by — unfortunately war — by constitutional amendment.

We've had to — we've corrected a lot of our problems. I think it was great at a time when families were united, even though we had slavery, they cared for one another. People were strong in the families. Our families were strong, our country had a direction, and we corrected many of the problems.

Today, I see our families divided, I see people in prison, young men, and women, that have a life ahead of them that have not been led and nurtured in the families like they used to be. And I know, I’m talking to you because you, like me, you’re an age when you remember when families used to care, when fathers used to care, when mothers used to care, and children used to care and weren’t disrespectful.

The greatness I see was in our culture, not in all our policies, there were problems — we had slavery, we’ve overcome slavery, we had prejudice, we still have prejudice. But we’ve turned the tide on civil rights, we’ve done a lot of things to bring this country around, and I think we can still make it better

Moore does not want to turn back the clock. He mentioned slavery as an evil no less than four times, noting that even at the time of the Declaration of Independence, America had "problems" that had to be solved in "unfortunately war" and by "constitutional amendment," a clear reference to slavery, the Civil War, and the Thirteenth Amendment.

Moore did not point to a time when America was "great," and call for returning to that time. Instead, Lisa Mascaro misreported the black man's question, and she truncated Moore's answer. These were understandable mistakes, but they were mistakes nonetheless -- and they have had a tremendous impact on the news cycle mere days before the December 12 election.

Moore's opponents in the media do their side no favors when they misrepresent the truth, thus undercutting their own credibility to attack him. Doug Jones did himself no favors by joining this call.

Nevertheless, they continue to do so. In September, they attacked him as racist for referencing "Jesus loves the little children." This month, they're after him for allegedly praising the bygone era of slavery.

I didn't see the racism. I don't see how you did either. What I saw was people later taking things completely out of text and it saddens me.

I found the direct audio... will try to load it in mp3 format.

[RoosGirl]

He could have said "I think it was great at the time when families were united."  That spans a lot of American history, including the first hundred years or so when slavery was allowed.  It seems to me that he, rather clumsily, tried to explain why he thought America was great even during those times of slavery and on through until the decades that all families really started being split apart.

[Frank Cannon]

So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united?  THAT is breathtaking!

LOL. Hey slick. That's not what he said. He said in response to Reagan saying that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world: "You could say that about America, couldn't you?". When the shocked reporter asked him to expand on that he explained: "Same sex marriage". That isn't talking about families uniting. That's talking specifically about homosexuals. If he where talking about families uniting he would have retorted about divorce rates and out of wedlock kiddos.

Here is the full interview. It is uncut and is only 8 minutes. It's outrageous the Soviet love going on in it....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia

BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment. You wanna high five an America hating shitbag, feel free, but you are not getting away with spinning this mental retards words. We got them live on Candid effing Camera.