Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[Frank Cannon]

Is it any wonder that decent people refuse to enter the arena of politics now and we end up with the dregs as our representatives in government?

Well you should be excited. Looks like we have turned the page and stopped another dreg like Moore to head to DC.

[Sanguine]

An impeachment proceeding begins in the House.  So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that.  Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House.  They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340

By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout.  I doubt he'll survive.

I hope that's true, but we know incumbents rarely get kicked out.  They become embedded and hard to remove.

[XenaLee]

Is it any wonder that decent people refuse to enter the arena of politics now and we end up with the dregs as our representatives in government?

No.  It's no wonder.  Nobody but a reprobate, a deplorable (lol) or an insane person would run for political office in this current climate.  I suppose some would counter/argue that it has always been this bad.  But it hasn't always been a climate where your political opponents control the media, Hollywood, education and most of the news that is reported.   So I posit that it is now much worse for anyone that is not a damned Democrat.

[Oceander]

Just can’t resist:  told you do

[DiogenesLamp]

Yes, even Luther Strange would have beaten Doug Jones.

Assertions without evidence are just as good as unsupported accusations about child molesting.   


I gave you evidence that the Democrats would have been all over Luther Strange like brown on Sh*t.    Your return serve is merely an assertion with no demonstrable basis. 


How many examples of this trick do you need to see played out before you finally see how this trick is done?   

[driftdiver]

An impeachment proceeding begins in the House.  So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that.  Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House.  They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340

By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout.  I doubt he'll survive.

Moore was just a tool the Dems used.   Now that they know how voters will react they'll pic someone else next time and it will be the same thing over an over.

[skeeter]

The election really wasn't bought with money.   It was bought with accusations.   


And New York/Washington Propaganda power.

True, the NYC media spewed their predictable propaganda as lavishly as usual. Which was lapped up nationally.

But I'm as sure the money Soros & the democrats sent to Alabama bought alot of commericals & get-out-the-vote time locally. Handing out cigarettes to bums and driving buses form poll to poll statewide on election night costs money.

The wonder is that Moore received the support he did given the disparity.

[DiogenesLamp]

LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity.

You would be wasting everyone's time if you decided to engage in such a discussion.   

The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.

And here is an example of what I mean.  Did the founders put a mechanism in place to point guns at voters to force them to pass amendments of which they disapproved and did not truly consent?   


Get back to me on how that  founders "mechanism"  is supposed to work.   

[XenaLee]

An impeachment proceeding begins in the House.  So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that.  Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House.  They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340

By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout.  I doubt he'll survive.

Yes, but.... the rats are counting on major wins next year due to voter anger at the GOP for their failures.... namely to repeal Obamacare and probably also for their failure to pass tax cuts (it hasn't passed YET).  More folks have turned off to and tuned out to the GOP this year than ever.  The rats have a very good chance of regaining the House next year due to that, I think.

[DiogenesLamp]

Any (and every) time a Democrat wins....  America loses.

And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.

What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.

Sad, that.

Alabama is a conservative state.   It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives"  going over to the other side.   

[Bigun]

Well you should be excited. Looks like we have turned the page and stopped another dreg like Moore to head to DC.

Yeah! Except for the fact that Roy Moore wasn't one you would be correct!

But I really am excited that so many phony conservatives here have managed to out themselves over the last few weeks.  More even today.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes, but.... the rats are counting on major wins next year due to voter anger at the GOP for their failures.... namely to repeal Obamacare and probably also for their failure to pass tax cuts (it hasn't passed YET).  More folks have turned off to and tuned out to the GOP this year than ever.  The rats have a very good chance of regaining the House next year due to that, I think.

@XenaLee

It's one of the great political paradoxes of our times...the voters are likely to cast out Republicans in favor of Democrats because the Republicans failed to undo what Democrats did....

[Oceander]

Alabama is a conservative state.   It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives"  going over to the other side.   

Messer im Rücken

[dfwgator]

@XenaLee

It's one of the great political paradoxes of our times...the voters are likely to cast out Republicans in favor of Democrats because the Republicans failed to undo what Democrats did....

Like P.J. O'Rourke said,  "Republicans say that 'government doesn't work',  then they get elected and prove it."

[DiogenesLamp]

That is pretty much like saying, ‘Man, our team really tore it up in preseason.’

His performance only mattered in the big game.

I am trying to grasp your thinking here.    Your implication is that if Moore had just gave a better "performance"    that would have caused him to win  the "big game."   


Why this is so difficult for me is because I see no correlation whatsoever to Moore's performance  and his losing 20 percentage points in the polls.    Moore did not act radically different than he has always acted,   and in the absence of accusations was predicted to win quite handily.   


Therefore it seems to me that "performance"  has got nothing to do with it,   and so how it is analogous to a "big game"   I fail to see.   


A closer analogy would be someone coming out of the stands and smashing the quarterback's knee with a baseball bat while his own teams cheerleaders cheered them on.   


In this case too,   "performance"   isn't going to win.

[edpc]

I hope that's true, but we know incumbents rarely get kicked out.  They become embedded and hard to remove.

True, but he'll have some disadvantages. He's in a deeply red state, there is a lot of time for exploration and vetting of candidates, and turnout will be much higher. Jones will have acquired a voting record in the Senate to campaign against.

[skeeter]

An impeachment proceeding begins in the House.  Plus, they need 67 in the Senate to convict.  So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that.  Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House.  They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340

By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout.  I doubt he'll survive.

While we have a majority now unfortunately we do not know what the political scene will look like in 2020.

Now is the crucial time and our chances of any real reform are now greatly diminished.

[dfwgator]

True, but he'll have some disadvantages. He's in a deeply red state, there is a lot of time for exploration and vetting of candidates, and turnout will be much higher. Jones will have acquired a voting record in the Senate to campaign against.

Jones is counting on a Rat winning in 2020 so he can get a gig in their Administration.  This is his audition, he could care less about getting re-elected.

[DiogenesLamp]

Probably the only legit criticism of Moore I've heard and astute analysis. He let his opposition set the tempo, which is often fatal in politics.

Tempo?   He was accused of attempting to rape a girl,   and molesting an underaged girl.   What on God's green earth does "Tempo"  have to do with it?   


Moore could have been in a Coma in the Hospital and still won if these accusations hadn't been ginned up.   

[txradioguy]

While we have a majority now unfortunately we do not know what the political scene will look like in 2020.

Now is the crucial time and our chances of any real reform are now greatly diminished.

Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.

[DiogenesLamp]

So Goldwater admitted to dating teenagers in his 30's, called the US a threat to the free world and had a spokesman publicly say that he wanted gays arrested?

In sofar as any of that cost Moore the election,   it is irrelevant. 


Goldwater had the media-weapon turned against him,  and *that*  is what cost him the election.   

[dfwgator]

Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.

And of course Mitch will bend over for them.

[edpc]

I am trying to grasp your thinking here.  Your implication is that if Moore had just gave a better "performance" that would have caused him to win the "big game."   


Therefore it seems to me that "performance"  has got nothing to do with it, and so how it is analogous to a "big game"   I fail to see.

Then revisit some of the other posters that referred to his campaign style in more plain language. Perhaps they explained it better.

[skeeter]

Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.

I heard. And I'm sure many of Moore's critics will be back here shortly, complaining about the lack of progress Trump's been able to make on moving his agenda forward.

[dfwgator]

I heard. And I'm sure many of Moore's critics will be back here shortly, complaining about the lack of progress Trump's been able to make on moving his agenda forward.

All Moore was going to do in DC was to vote on stuff, especially on Trump's SCOTUS picks.