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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #675 on: December 13, 2017, 12:32:23 pm »

Like Luther Strange?   God!  Why do I even bother?

Yes, even Luther Strange would have beaten Doug Jones.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #676 on: December 13, 2017, 12:33:55 pm »
The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.

Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state,  Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.

What makes you think they'll be treated any differently?

Rinse, wash, repeat.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #677 on: December 13, 2017, 12:35:45 pm »
We're just a bunch of nobodies commenting on one political forum out of dozens. All the self righteous harping and gloating here didn't/won't effect anything.


Ever hear of six degrees of separation?    The "butterfly effect"?    To assert that none of this could have any effect is not a well thought out position.   


It may very well have had an effect,  and unless every connection with everything that happened here is explored,   we cannot accurately say that it didn't.   


What we can say would  have had no deleterious effects is refusing to help the enemy spread their propaganda.    This can be proven by the logic of cause preceding effect.   If there is no "cause",   there can be no "effect."   



Generally, there was never a better example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. This election just deprived us of a reliable conservative vote - for a supreme court justice, for border control, for welfare reform. It will make all the thing we CLAIM to want here that much harder to achieve.

And the window of opportunity will not stay open forever.


In the larger scope of things,  there is this concept in politics called "momentum."   Politics is cyclic after a fashion,   and this "act"  has given the Democrats a boost to help flip the normal rotation of politics to begin earlier than it otherwise might have done.   


It will likely cause the next cycle to start earlier and progress deeper than it otherwise would have done. 


Marginal potential wins in the off year elections have moved some number of points closer to Democrat wins as a result of what happened. 



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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #678 on: December 13, 2017, 12:35:54 pm »
The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.

Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state,  Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.

 :amen:  This wins the most intelligent post in this thread today!  We need to be supporting constitutional conservatives; we already know that with the likes of McConnell and Ryan leading things, they're odds of winning are drastically reduced to begin with.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #679 on: December 13, 2017, 12:38:03 pm »


He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage,   and so do I.    I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore,    but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10,  because it's easier to mock than it is to think,   and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.

LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity. The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #680 on: December 13, 2017, 12:39:19 pm »
Hey Constitutional scholar. Where does it say anything about marriage in the Constitution? That tells me the founders didn't give a shit.


"Federalism".   Do you speak it?   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #681 on: December 13, 2017, 12:43:30 pm »
Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.

He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.

Encapsulates nicely exactly what happened.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #682 on: December 13, 2017, 12:44:47 pm »
Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.

He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.

The GOPe also helped to destroy that reputation by asking him to step down and that request was led by McConnell.  I hope the SOB is pleased with himself; he'd rather lose a seat than let a conservative into his country club!

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #683 on: December 13, 2017, 12:45:55 pm »
Any (and every) time a Democrat wins....  America loses.

And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.

What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.

Sad, that.


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #684 on: December 13, 2017, 12:47:28 pm »
You’ve mentioned that before.  What you’ve omitted is that Strange, being the ‘establishment pick,’ would have made a cogent counter argument to the allegations, unlike Moore on Hannity.  Strange would have had a legal team that doesn’t advertise on bus benches.  He also would have a competent spokesperson, not a Jim Bakker PTL Club reject.


And your basis for claiming that Strange would have been effective at repelling the Democrat accusations of corruption is what?    What makes you think Luther Strange could have survived these accusations?    I talked to a lot of people in Alabama who were absolutely convinced that Luther Strange suspended that investigation as a quid pro quo for the Governor (the forced out Governor)   appointing him to that Senate seat.   


Does the name "Rod Blagojevich"  mean anything to you?   


Do you think these people are playing?   Do you think it is just a coincidence that Democrats have pulled this stunt so many times before in the past?   


Luther Strange would have been toast.    Billionaires and other very influential people wanted a pawn which could help them stop Trump.    They were going to hammer Strange until he lost.   


The "news"  media would have focused on "accusations of corruption"   for weeks leading up to the election.   


Brilliant "geniuses"  on this forum would even now be proclaiming "Luther Strange was a bad candidate."   







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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #685 on: December 13, 2017, 12:47:46 pm »
Any (and every) time a Democrat wins....  America loses.

And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.

What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.

Sad, that.

The good news? Now the precendent has been set. And it's time now to turn the tables and get the dirt on the Rats...every single one of them.  They want to play that game? Well guess, what?  We can play it, too.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #686 on: December 13, 2017, 12:47:49 pm »
LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity. The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.

I find it very sad that there are those in here that believe that this country will continue to exist as we know if if we don't got back to the Founders intent and adhere to the Constitution; without her, we as a country are nothing!

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #687 on: December 13, 2017, 12:49:47 pm »
The GOPe also helped to destroy that reputation by asking him to step down and that request was led by McConnell.  I hope the SOB is pleased with himself; he'd rather lose a seat than let a conservative into his country club!

Exactly right.  In case anyone is still wondering why nothing is getting done re: Trump's conservative promises.... look no further than Bitch McConnell.   He is the proverbial snake in the grass Judas... and nothing will change as long as he is there and in charge.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #688 on: December 13, 2017, 12:50:50 pm »
@DiogenesLamp   

Fair enough. 

All of those women in Alabama who wrote in names can lecture you.


And little birds could chirp in the forest to achieve the same degree of rationality it would engender.   


The "herd"   was turned because it was spooked.   


   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #689 on: December 13, 2017, 12:50:53 pm »
The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.

Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state,  Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #690 on: December 13, 2017, 12:51:46 pm »


No wonder Roy lost his ass in a solid red state. There is no plausible defense to his stupidity and zealotry.



There is no plausible defense against a closed mind.   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #691 on: December 13, 2017, 12:54:48 pm »
He earned the appellation,  DL,  when he defied a court order to display a billboard to his religion,  when he proclaimed that Muslims couldn't serve in Congress unless they swore an oath on a Christian Bible, and when he complained we'd be better off without the 14th and 17th amendments.  Just to cite a few examples of his abject looniness.   



You can keep trying to sell that snake oil,   but I advise you to find a dupe who doesn't actually understand the issues involved.   


You are in way over your head in any attempted discussion on these issues with me.   I've been studying this subject for several decades.   





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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #692 on: December 13, 2017, 12:55:08 pm »
Well they did so by large margins until only a short time ago.

That is pretty much like saying, ‘Man, our team really tore it up in preseason.’

His performance only mattered in the big game.

I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #693 on: December 13, 2017, 12:55:56 pm »
They are just facing a reality that was obvious to those of us who were on board when Goldwater ran.


Goldwater is a very good example of what happened.   


No doubt some people will just conclude he was a "bad"  candidate. 


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #694 on: December 13, 2017, 12:56:07 pm »
The good news? Now the precendent has been set. And it's time now to turn the tables and get the dirt on the Rats...every single one of them.  They want to play that game? Well guess, what?  We can play it, too.

Yeah... uh... no.   You're missing the point.

Sure, the rats have more cretins in their ranks that really are guilty of said and sundry accusations.  But history proves that with the exception of the recent rash of exposures resulting in the loss of a scant few irrelevant or unimportant Democrat positions... the Dems never ever face any real consequences for their behavior, past OR present.

The point is... the rats know now that they can accuse ANYONE on the right with their "Herman Caining tactics"... and win whatever seat they need to win.  The American public should have stepped in and shut this crap down hard.  Instead, they either bought into it, gleefully joined in on the witchburning, or just didn't give a damn.  Big mistake.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #695 on: December 13, 2017, 12:57:56 pm »
It is hard watching something you love eaten by termites, and trashed by fools, and finding that despite all reason you are powerless to stop people from insisting on its destruction, when there will be nothing to equal it for a long time, if ever. I can understand the sentiment of those who watched as the golden age of any civilization passed.


Your commentary has been exceptionally relevant for the last several pages.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #696 on: December 13, 2017, 12:58:47 pm »

There is no plausible defense against a closed mind.

Yeah. I've pretty much closed my minds to hayseeds riding horses around and waving guns in public since McCloud went off the air.


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #697 on: December 13, 2017, 12:59:00 pm »
Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.

He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.

Probably the only legit criticism of Moore I've heard and astute analysis. He let his opposition set the tempo, which is often fatal in politics.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #698 on: December 13, 2017, 12:59:21 pm »
Any (and every) time a Democrat wins....  America loses.

And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.

What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.

Sad, that.

The quality of Moore as a candidate aside, anyone who joined the coyote chorus against him is also at knowing odds with everything that would've been possible by adding him the congress. It doesn't matter how much 'lets all us conservatives pull together' post election prattle you hear from them. Its all been heard before.

Thats just a plain fact.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #699 on: December 13, 2017, 12:59:22 pm »
What makes you think they'll be treated any differently?

Rinse, wash, repeat.
We know the Dems will slander Morrisey. They already have done so. But his opponent in the GOP primary is a fake Republican,  and Patrick is a solid conservative. Mojo Manchin is an embarrassment.  We need to support good people like Morrisey and help them fend off the dirt that will be slung at them.
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