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It sounds to me like we need a new center of broadcasting. Not on one of the coasts, but somewhere in the middle.


I have also been saying that for quite awhile.  Get the News "services"  out of New York,  and get the "entertainment services"  out of Los Angeles,  and a lot of the problem with bias would simply go away. 


I have also advocated moving the capitol from Washington DC to someplace in the middle of Kansas, preferably a wheat field or something.   


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My recollection was that the "Fairness Doctrine"  was an effort to kill talk radio shows like Rush Limbaugh by forcing them to carry Liberal opinion too.   We didn't like it and for good reason.


But forcing the people who own the Television  broadcasting system to allow our voice on the broadcasting network would be worth giving up Talk Radio dominance. 

In terms of gains versus losses,  we would come out way ahead.

And you think that weapon would never be turned against us.  There's a Sam Elliot meme out there somewhere that applies.  Experience has taught you nothing at all, so I shouldn't be surprised talking to you is not any different from talking to a wall.  Bye.
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Your cleverness is inspiring.

Yeah, but his grammar sucks.
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They're all for shutting the press up right now,


Stop deliberately misstating our position.   Nobody is trying to shut up the press,  we are trying to get equal time on their monopoly controlled channels.   


Does my ability to talk make you  be quiet?  No?  So stop asserting something that is 100% false and a disgusting accusation to boot!   




but in a few years when a Democrat gets into office, see how they like  it then.


I will be happy with our side getting equal time and access under a Democrat administration too.   Who knows?  If the public can hear our side,  then perhaps there won't be any more Democrat Presidents for awhile,   and when there eventually is,  perhaps he will be far more conservative than the kookbat leftests we have been getting so far.   


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That is exactly right!


It is exactly wrong,  just as I pointed out in my previous message.   


My ability to speak on this forum does not silence you or anyone else.   The ability of conservatives to get equal time on the Television broadcasting monopoly will not cause Liberals to be silenced.   It will cause those people who have been silenced under the current system to finally have an equal voice! 


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Never give your enemies a weapon you don't want pointed back at you.


I don't mind an "equal access on the television monopoly"  weapon pointed back at me. 


Right now they have 95% access or more.   Increasing their access down to 30 or 40% sounds like a fair scheme to me. 

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I also heard some insurance expert on NPR use that exact same phraseology.



There is a video on you tube showing how they mocked the chances of Trump winning the Presidency.   I think it has five different news anchors using exactly the same verbiage to describe Trump as a Clown.   

It's as if they were all reading off of the same teleprompter.   





So, the BS narrative is set. However, they’re facing a very different President this time.  One that’s  got small thumbs and a phone – and he tweets. Boy, does he tweet. LOL!


People do not grasp the value of him throwing these bombs.  The media never had bombs thrown at it before.   It sometimes provokes them into shrillness and overreach. 


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Hannity is the biggest joke on the internet---among conservatives.  No one ever accused him of being bright, but for some reason, since he became an abject Trump sycophant, he's deteriorated into something amusing and pathetic in equal amounts.

He frequently posts bizarre, cursing rants on his Twitter page.  The screeds are misspelled, sometimes in caps, and often contain crazed references to his martial arts prowess.  In no rational world could he be considered an asset to a movement.

I met him once.  I expect his near-dwarfism is a factor in his agitation.

Yeah, big joke. If Sean’s such a joke why is his TV show crushing the competition?

Every now and again it’s good to pull back and question your own assumptions. Let some fresh air in. Of course, it doesn’t always work if you’re rooted in NeverTrump land.

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Yeah, big joke. If Sean’s such a joke why is his TV show crushing the competition?

He's King Shit on Turd Island. On a good day he may pull in 4 million viewers. Granted that is about double his competition, but there are 350+ million potential viewers in the country. That means he pulls in .01% of Americans to his show.

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It's as if they were all reading off of the same teleprompter.   
 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8dejYGa5A

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Yeah, big joke. If Sean’s such a joke why is his TV show crushing the competition?

Every now and again it’s good to pull back and question your own assumptions. Let some fresh air in. Of course, it doesn’t always work if you’re rooted in NeverTrump land.

Hannity has roughly the same number of viewers as WWE.  That smell coming in is men in spandex, not fresh air.

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It is exactly wrong,  just as I pointed out in my previous message.   


My ability to speak on this forum does not silence you or anyone else.   The ability of conservatives to get equal time on the Television broadcasting monopoly will not cause Liberals to be silenced.   It will cause those people who have been silenced under the current system to finally have an equal voice!

But no, that isn't what will happen, even as other equality testing means never have worked.
Unintended consequences.
Fed deciding the defining parameters of what is called 'Conservative'. AND WHAT ISN'T. Who is, and who isn't.
The FED designing Conservative content - Be very careful what you wish for.

You are handing your own ass into the hands of the very people who hate you.
Yeah.. that'll work out fine.

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You are not going to get a lot of disagreement the media is biased as all get out.  Most of us have known that for the past half-century at least.  The problem arises when you want to use the blunt instrument of Big Government to exact revenge for you.  Find another way to fix it, one that won't empower the next leftist in charge.


Years ago I was a delegate to a platform committee meeting for my State's Republican party.   At the time it was chaired by someone that nobody knew at the time,  but who is now the governor of our State.   

There was a two day discussion about what to put into the State's party platform,  and as my group was mostly focused on gun rights,   I proposed that we urge the State Legislature to issue licenses so that the public could carry concealed weapons. 


OMG! You would have thought I had proposed cutting off the heads of puppies.   A bunch of virtue signaling delegates immediately rose to proclaim their undying opposition to any such proposal,  because "By God! People have a *RIGHT* to carry guns,  and don't need PERMISSION from the State Legislature to do so!"   

I pointed out that while I may agree with them on this,   neither the public,  the legislature,  nor the law enforcement people were ready to acknowledge this right,  and so therefore that is a non starter from the git-go.   


They were having none of it.   They wanted all or nothing.   They absolutely refused to accept any notion that required any official act from the state.    This went on and on for about an hour,  and I finally outsmarted the stupid F***ers. 


I said "How about this verbiage?    "We urge the State Legislature to find a means by which law abiding citizens can lawfully carry firearms."   

They all found that language acceptable,  and the proposal was passed and incorporated into the platform. 


I immediately said under my breath:  " And the way the legislature is going to do this is by issuing licenses."   


My state passed such a law two years later,  and the governor I helped elect at that time signed it.   Members of my group were present at the signing ceremony and we still have the pictures.   


I understand the principle involved,  but I also recognized the reality of the time period.   Nobody was going to accept unrestricted carrying of weapons without some sort of over sight,  and people could bitch all they wanted about their rights under the second amendment,   but doing what they wanted was simply a bridge too far for the public to accept.   

My thinking at the time was that establishing the actual practice of carrying weapons would have a long term good effect on society,  and more firmly establish the idea in the public's mind that this is acceptable.


It turned out well.   



Now you may think this has nothing at all to do with the current discussion,  but you would be wrong.   Once again I see people refusing to deal with the reality of a situation,  and instead they are piously quoting cliches about how much they are against something  when they could instead be suggesting any other method for resolving the problem.   


"Virtue Signaling"  is not helpful.   Yes,  we all know how much you all dearly love our rights and our principles,   but waving the flag ignores the fact that we are in a dire situation and we need to get out of it.   


Toss out some ideas.   
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I don't mind an "equal access on the television monopoly"  weapon pointed back at me. 


Right now they have 95% access or more.   Increasing their access down to 30 or 40% sounds like a fair scheme to me.

Wouldn't forcing the networks to issue a prominent disclaimer at the beginning of each broadcast undercutting their pretense to objectivity obtain the same ultimate objective without running afoul of the 1A? The FTC requires the same thing in ads, packaging and labeling already.

Forcing the news organizations, including FNC, to admit their product doesn't necessarily reflect the entire truth up front would be all that would be needed, IMO.

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Obama didn't merely threaten many things I and many others absolutely hated, he CODIFIED them.

He was constantly promoting Net Neutrality - almost the same thing. Not as a throw away line, as policy.

Nice try Tapper.


What is the downside of "net neutrality"?   It is a subject on which I have apparently overlooked something.   The Wikipedia entry on it sounds rather benign,   but obviously there is something wrong with it,  else so many people would not be objecting to the idea.   


What is the bad side of this idea? 
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Like statists everywhere they never expect to be on the outside looking in.


Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit)   is fond of saying:   "You spent 8 years weaponizing the government all to turn it over to Trump."   


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There is no such thing as actual news reporting in the USA today!  Instead we have leftist propaganda 24/7/365 called news!
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Sure, Sean is repetitive with his talking points. Which gets boring. But, there’s method to the repetition. That’s what’s required to break though political noise and stagnated thinking. Sean’s objective is to change minds.

A smart change agent will tell you (the audience) what he’s about to tell you, then tell you what he wants to tell you, and then tell you what it was he just told you. Public speaking 101.
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Your cleverness is inspiring.


A person has to create their own entertainment whenever they are able. 

:)   
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What is the downside of "net neutrality"?   It is a subject on which I have apparently overlooked something.   The Wikipedia entry on it sounds rather benign,   but obviously there is something wrong with it,  else so many people would not be objecting to the idea.   


What is the bad side of this idea?

Besides the fact that the left never does anything that would enhance the free and open exchange of information, under the euphemism 'Net Neutrality' President Obama was essentially calling for the FCC to reclassify the Internet as a utility making it subject to heavy regulations as if they’re monopolies. This makes the FCC the final authority over Internet pricing, products and services.

More governmental control, not less. Definitely not what we want.

Borrowed from this - http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2014/11/11/why-obama-is-wrong-on-net-neutrality.html
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Hannity has roughly the same number of viewers as WWE.  ...

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And you think that weapon would never be turned against us.  There's a Sam Elliot meme out there somewhere that applies.  Experience has taught you nothing at all, so I shouldn't be surprised talking to you is not any different from talking to a wall.  Bye.


They own 99% of the content and air time already.   How are they going to turn our getting a greater share of air time and content against us? 


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Gotta link for this?

Be curious and go look it up like I did.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8dejYGa5A

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They are all sock puppets for the Deep State Crony Capitalists that currently influence the Government and the population. 

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Gotta link for this?

You don't need a link for it. The info is everywhere. The cable newsers are constantly pushing their numbers.

This week Hannity averaged about 3.2 million viewers with a bump to 3.6 for Trump on Wednesday. WWE got 3.6 million viewers last week.

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But no, that isn't what will happen, even as other equality testing means never have worked.


What equality testing means?   I've said over and over again that to allow the government to play editor on content is colossally foolish.   

So far the only proposal I have suggested is that it prevent discrimination against hiring of conservatives in the media corporations. 

The government would not regulate content.  The government would not enforce equality of content.  They would simply require equal application of the law as stated in the 14th amendment. 

I think the fact of having conservatives in the production process would create balance inherently,  because if Liberals tried to get away with the sh*t they currently do,  the Conservatives would object to it,  and it would therefore not air.   By the same token,  news stories that conservatives believe should be shown,  would be shown,  because they would be in position to make such determinations. 



Unintended consequences.


With a system that is already 99% over on the enemy's side.  Any disruptions,  any "unintended consequences"  will degrade what exists now.   I count that as a good thing.   




Fed deciding the defining parameters of what is called 'Conservative'. AND WHAT ISN'T. Who is, and who isn't.


That is the concept you people keep trying to force on us and claim it's "our"  idea.   No,  that is *NOT*  what we want,  and it is not what any of us has proposed.   You just keep asserting that's what we want,  and it isn't.   




The FED designing Conservative content - Be very careful what you wish for.


I don't wish for that.   I know it's what a lot of you want to believe about us,   but it is incorrect,  and if you would bother to actually understand what we are saying,  you would realize your cliched arguments are not what we are advocating. 




You are handing your own ass into the hands of the very people who hate you.
Yeah.. that'll work out fine.


That's what we have now.   Degrading the status quo can only improve the situation. 

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I have also been saying that for quite awhile.  Get the News "services"  out of New York,  and get the "entertainment services"  out of Los Angeles,  and a lot of the problem with bias would simply go away. 


I have also advocated moving the capitol from Washington DC to someplace in the middle of Kansas, preferably a wheat field or something.

Good idea.  Why should all our news come from the mecca of liberalism where those people feed on each other's idiocy in  an incestuous feast.  They all cocktail party together and reinforce the party line and make each other feel pretty, oh, so pretty.

As for California and Hollywood, the Weinstein mess clearly indicates what a cesspool that area has become.  The few good people there are literally afraid to speak out and with good reason.  If you aren't in the club, you aren't hired.
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I don't mind an "equal access on the television monopoly"  weapon pointed back at me. 


Right now they have 95% access or more.   Increasing their access down to 30 or 40% sounds like a fair scheme to me.

But, what has that monopoly got them? Their histronics have completely worked against them, look at CNN if there's any doubt. Every time the MSM opens their mouths, they make the Dems an even smaller bicoastal party.

 I have the exact same sentiment as you toward the MSM, and there'd be nothing I'd rather do than slap them down, but they are on their way out the door. Fewer and fewer people get their news from them and more and more from the internet. The govt going after them now would be like going after the buggy whip industry after the Model T was already in production.

The reality is if that is done, then the precedent it creates could be used to go after online journalism. The first Democrat President we have will then go after every right wing publication out there. It creates a virus that will spread to another totally different media platform once it gets a foot hold.

To me the last thing we want to do is go after the dying horse the liberals have hitched themselves to. Don't give them a lifeline as they flush themselves.

The Republic is lost.

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So far the only proposal I have suggested is that it prevent discrimination against hiring of conservatives in the media corporations. 

That requires a precise definition of what 'Conservatism' is and isn't... Because you need to know what a Conservative is in order to ensure they get the special treatment.

WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT DEFINITION?
And within that definition COMES the definition of Conservative content, and all the rest.
And within that definition, what are the chances that actual Conservatism gets to be Conservatism?
Slim to none. Them log cabin boys would get the gig, and everyone will celebrate the liberals being SO inclusive!

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The government would not regulate content.  The government would not enforce equality of content.  They would simply require equal application of the law as stated in the 14th amendment.

How?
 
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I think the fact of having conservatives in the production process would create balance inherently,  because if Liberals tried to get away with the sh*t they currently do,  the Conservatives would object to it,  and it would therefore not air.   By the same token,  news stories that conservatives believe should be shown,  would be shown,  because they would be in position to make such determinations. 

LOL! no. That isn't how that works.



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With a system that is already 99% over on the enemy's side.  Any disruptions,  any "unintended consequences"  will degrade what exists now.   I count that as a good thing.   

That is precisely what makes consequences unintended... when you proscribe intention.

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That is the concept you people keep trying to force on us and claim it's "our"  idea.   No,  that is *NOT*  what we want,  and it is not what any of us has proposed.   You just keep asserting that's what we want,  and it isn't.   

No, I ascribe nothing more to you than what you describe... But I am far seeing, almost to a fault. What you want is incidental. What you'll get is what matters.

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I don't wish for that.   I know it's what a lot of you want to believe about us,   but it is incorrect,  and if you would bother to actually understand what we are saying,  you would realize your cliched arguments are not what we are advocating. 

I understand it perfectly.
I also understand about camel's noses.

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That's what we have now.   Degrading the status quo can only improve the situation.

Precisely wrong.
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Wouldn't forcing the networks to issue a prominent disclaimer at the beginning of each broadcast undercutting their pretense to objectivity obtain the same ultimate objective without running afoul of the 1A? The FTC requires the same thing in ads, packaging and labeling already.


I have long wished the FEC would force them to label their news casters with their party's affiliation.   


But such a thing would never happen,  and if it did,  all the news liars would simply register "Independent"  while still voting and promoting Democrat. 





Forcing the news organizations, including FNC, to admit their product doesn't necessarily reflect the entire truth up front would be all that would be needed, IMO.


I would love that,   and it might even work if such a thing could be done,   but I do not believe any such thing  could be done,  or that they wouldn't take immediate steps to negate it.   

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Stop deliberately misstating our position.   Nobody is trying to shut up the press,  we are trying to get equal time on their monopoly controlled channels.   


Does my ability to talk make you  be quiet?  No?  So stop asserting something that is 100% false and a disgusting accusation to boot!   





I will be happy with our side getting equal time and access under a Democrat administration too.   Who knows?  If the public can hear our side,  then perhaps there won't be any more Democrat Presidents for awhile,   and when there eventually is,  perhaps he will be far more conservative than the kookbat leftests we have been getting so far.

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I realize that flying high on outrage is your fuel,  but it doesn't work with me.  Get it?  I'll call you out every time I see fit. 

You made clear what you want.  So you can just stop.

Yes,  pulling their licenses is exactly the appropriate thing to threaten these bastards with.   I would be threatening Federal prosecutions if it were up to me.   I'd have the FEC all over them, I'd have the EEOC all over them,   I would be having the Justice Department bringing anti-trust lawsuits against them,   I would be using whatever power I could bring to bear in an effort to cut their financial throats. 


These are our enemies,  and they have been our enemies since at least the Nixon/Kennedy election,  and probably a lot longer than that.   

We need to stick a knife in them anywhere we can.

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But, what has that monopoly got them? Their histronics have completely worked against them, look at CNN if there's any doubt. Every time the MSM opens their mouths, they make the Dems an even smaller bicoastal party.

 I have the exact same sentiment as you toward the MSM, and there'd be nothing I'd rather do than slap them down, but they are on their way out the door. Fewer and fewer people get their news from them and more and more from the internet. The govt going after them now would be like going after the buggy whip industry after the Model T was already in production.

The reality is if that is done, then the precedent it creates could be used to go after online journalism. The first Democrat President we have will then go after every right wing publication out there. It creates a virus that will spread to another totally different media platform once it gets a foot hold.

To me the last thing we want to do is go after the dying horse the liberals have hitched themselves to. Don't give them a lifeline as they flush themselves.

Let's stop fearing the next democrat president and deal with our current situation.  The media IS losing power and audience but, remember, their domination was complete, and slowly losing some of it does not mean they are not a clear and present danger.

Their influence permeates our thoughts in ways we don't even realize.  Entertainment movies and TV shows push their agenda, sometimes in subliminal ways and sometimes with outright propaganda.

I'm not sure of exactly what we can do to stop them but I'm in favor of whatever can be done.
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Yeah, big joke. If Sean’s such a joke why is his TV show crushing the competition?

Every now and again it’s good to pull back and question your own assumptions. Let some fresh air in. Of course, it doesn’t always work if you’re rooted in NeverTrump land.

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Trump fans love Hannity.  I think Steve Deace referred to them as "the cursing grandmothers."

What assumptions are you talking about?  The nutty Twitter rants I've seen with my own eyes?  His completely abandonment of the Constitution in favor of licking Trump's boots?

It's pretty fresh over here.  Smells like flowers, in fact.

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I have long wished the FEC would force them to label their news casters with their party's affiliation.   


But such a thing would never happen,  and if it did,  all the news liars would simply register "Independent"  while still voting and promoting Democrat. 






I would love that,   and it might even work if such a thing could be done,   but I do not believe any such thing  could be done,  or that they wouldn't take immediate steps to negate it.

Well its being done in dozens of other areas by law in the name of truth in advertising.

There need be no criteria for the disclaimer. The base assumption should be everyone and every network is biased by nature and should not lead consumers to believe that what they are receiving is objective, complete truth as they have been pretending to do for decades.

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What equality testing means?   I've said over and over again that to allow the government to play editor on content is colossally foolish.   

So far the only proposal I have suggested is that it prevent discrimination against hiring of conservatives in the media corporations. 

The government would not regulate content.  The government would not enforce equality of content.  They would simply require equal application of the law as stated in the 14th amendment. 

I think the fact of having conservatives in the production process would create balance inherently,  because if Liberals tried to get away with the sh*t they currently do,  the Conservatives would object to it,  and it would therefore not air.   By the same token,  news stories that conservatives believe should be shown,  would be shown,  because they would be in position to make such determinations. 




With a system that is already 99% over on the enemy's side.  Any disruptions,  any "unintended consequences"  will degrade what exists now.   I count that as a good thing.   




That is the concept you people keep trying to force on us and claim it's "our"  idea.   No,  that is *NOT*  what we want,  and it is not what any of us has proposed.   You just keep asserting that's what we want,  and it isn't.   





I don't wish for that.   I know it's what a lot of you want to believe about us,   but it is incorrect,  and if you would bother to actually understand what we are saying,  you would realize your cliched arguments are not what we are advocating. 





That's what we have now.   Degrading the status quo can only improve the situation.

And here we see a perfect example why Sean Hannity repeats himself so much. Political positions are like house-sized boulders. It takes repeated runs at it with heavy equipment to dislodge it.
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Trump fans love Hannity.  I think Steve Deace referred to them as "the cursing grandmothers."

What assumptions are you talking about?  The nutty Twitter rants I've seen with my own eyes?  His completely abandonment of the Constitution in favor of licking Trump's boots?

It's pretty fresh over here.  Smells like flowers, in fact.

They seem to think the weapon they want to create and wield will never be turned against them the instant a Democrat comes to power.  Cute of them, isn't it?  ^-^
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@DiogenesLamp

I realize that flying high on outrage is your fuel,  but it doesn't work with me.  Get it?  I'll call you out every time I see fit. 

You made clear what you want.  So you can just stop.

Yes,  pulling their licenses is exactly the appropriate thing to threaten these bastards with.   I would be threatening Federal prosecutions if it were up to me.   I'd have the FEC all over them, I'd have the EEOC all over them,   I would be having the Justice Department bringing anti-trust lawsuits against them,   I would be using whatever power I could bring to bear in an effort to cut their financial throats. 


These are our enemies,  and they have been our enemies since at least the Nixon/Kennedy election,  and probably a lot longer than that.   

We need to stick a knife in them anywhere we can.


@CatherineofAragon

You know, it seems like POTUS could at least direct some investigations into illegal activities by the networks if he thought something was actually going on that was illegal.  I mean, the only reason I can think of threaten someone with losing their "license" is because they've done something illegal and not just because they've done something you don't like.  Maybe he'll do that when the Hillary investigation concludes.

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@CatherineofAragon

You know, it seems like POTUS could at least direct some investigations into illegal activities by the networks if he thought something was actually going on that was illegal.  I mean, the only reason I can think of threaten someone with losing their "license" is because they've done something illegal and not just because they've done something you don't like.  Maybe he'll do that when the Hillary investigation concludes.

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Trump fans love Hannity.  I think Steve Deace referred to them as "the cursing grandmothers."

What assumptions are you talking about?  The nutty Twitter rants I've seen with my own eyes?  His completely abandonment of the Constitution in favor of licking Trump's boots?

It's pretty fresh over here.  Smells like flowers, in fact.

Ah. Which explains why you hate Hannity

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Let's stop fearing the next democrat president and deal with our current situation.  The media IS losing power and audience but, remember, their domination was complete, and slowly losing some of it does not mean they are not a clear and present danger.

Their influence permeates our thoughts in ways we don't even realize.  Entertainment movies and TV shows push their agenda, sometimes in subliminal ways and sometimes with outright propaganda.

I'm not sure of exactly what we can do to stop them but I'm in favor of whatever can be done.

But it's having zero political effect. I will argue that they are conservatives best friend because their increasing radicalism is driving people away from them and to the other side. Let's use that momentum as political ju jitsu.

The national GOP really needs to focus efforts on cleaning it's own house and getting particularly Senators that will get the agenda passed. Three reforms - 1) welfare, 2) immigration, and 3) national right-to-work and we'd gut the Dems entire machinery.
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It is exactly wrong,  just as I pointed out in my previous message.   


My ability to speak on this forum does not silence you or anyone else.   The ability of conservatives to get equal time on the Television broadcasting monopoly will not cause Liberals to be silenced.   It will cause those people who have been silenced under the current system to finally have an equal voice!
Just bake the damned cake!

You would impose your ideals on some one else's creativity.

Either the Libmedia has the right to put what they want on their stations, the baker can refuse to bake the cake or not.

The bottom line is that when you (or anyone else) starts choosing who has the right to their own stuff and when the government can force them to say or do something they don't like, then there are no effing Rights for ANYONE.

I may not like their 'message'. I hate their lies. I am disgusted by their contempt for me and mine and all we stand for, but

I REFUSE TO VIOLATE THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF RIGHTS BY SUPPORTING FORCING THEM TO LET ME USE THEIR STUFF TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR---BECAUSE DOING SO WILL ENTITLE THEM TO DO THE SAME TO ME WITH ANYTHING I HAVE AND NO ONE WILL HAVE ANY RIGHTS.

If we want Conservative media, it is up to us to fill that niche. If the country wants it, it will be wildly successful and immensely profitable. (Imagine a place where actresses would not be molested just so they can work.)
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And here we see a perfect example why Sean Hannity repeats himself so much. Political positions are like house-sized boulders. It takes repeated runs at it with heavy equipment to dislodge it.

And people like Sean Hannity.  He's not my cup of cocoa but he meets the needs of a LOT of people and not just grandmas.

The country is conservative.  If we could eliminate New York and California ... or just California, the country is very conservative.  The election of Trump should prove that to anybody.

I wish Fox News would have stayed more conservative.  I think their audience would grow but there's some odd show biz dynamics going on over there.

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Just bake the damned cake!

You would impose your ideals on some one else's creativity.

Either the Libmedia has the right to put what they want on their stations, the baker can refuse to bake the cake or not.

The bottom line is that when you (or anyone else) starts choosing who has the right to their own stuff and when the government can force them to say or do something they don't like, then there are no effing Rights for ANYONE.

I may not like their 'message'. I hate their lies. I am disgusted by their contempt for me and mine and all we stand for, but

I REFUSE TO VIOLATE THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF RIGHTS BY SUPPORTING FORCING THEM TO LET ME USE THEIR STUFF TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR---BECAUSE DOING SO WILL ENTITLE THEM TO DO THE SAME TO ME WITH ANYTHING I HAVE AND NO ONE WILL HAVE ANY RIGHTS.

If we want Conservative media, it is up to us to fill that niche. If the country wants it, it will be wildly successful and immensely profitable. (Imagine a place where actresses would not be molested just so they can work.)

I believe @DiogenesLamp is simply asking for fairness.  I think too many people have been abused, particularly in the last 8 years before Trump by oppressive government.

And I think too many people are afraid of what that kind of government can do.  It only can if we let it.

I'm more in favor of a truth doctrine.  Let all slanted stories about Trump have to meet a truth standard.  We can define truth. 

For example, it's true that Trump ordered immediate aid for Puerto Rico.  It's true that the bitch of a mayor decided it would be to her political advantage to attack him unfairly.  It's true that Trump responded in a way that too many of us call un-Presidential.  But ... how else would his side have come out?  The MSM would never have come to his defense.

And, now, when he declares a home truth ... that we cannot help them forever, he is portrayed as heartless.

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@CatherineofAragon

You know, it seems like POTUS could at least direct some investigations into illegal activities by the networks if he thought something was actually going on that was illegal.  I mean, the only reason I can think of threaten someone with losing their "license" is because they've done something illegal and not just because they've done something you don't like.  Maybe he'll do that when the Hillary investigation concludes.

I'm glad @DiogenesLamp is here.  He does not feed on outrage.  He is measured and articulate and makes good points. 

He is a much-needed voice for conservatism on this forum.
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I believe @DiogenesLamp is simply asking for fairness.  I think too many people have been abused, particularly in the last 8 years before Trump by oppressive government.

And I think too many people are afraid of what that kind of government can do.  It only can if we let it.

I'm more in favor of a truth doctrine.  Let all slanted stories about Trump have to meet a truth standard.  We can define truth. 

For example, it's true that Trump ordered immediate aid for Puerto Rico.  It's true that the bitch of a mayor decided it would be to her political advantage to attack him unfairly.  It's true that Trump responded in a way that too many of us call un-Presidential.  But ... how else would his side have come out?  The MSM would never have come to his defense.

And, now, when he declares a home truth ... that we cannot help them forever, he is portrayed as heartless.

I'm all for fairness, too, and we certainly don't have it.

What I'm against is using the blunt instrument of Government Regulation to bring it about.  The Government will change sides against us in an instant when the next Democrat takes control of the Executive, and the unfairness we now decry will become worse when it's the law of the land.  Democrats are licking their chops at the prospect of a renewed "Fairness Doctrine."  They've used it to silence our side before, and they'll do it again at the drop of a microphone.

We must find another way.
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What's needed in the NEWS business is the equivalent of UBER and LYFT!

Don't take any licenses away! Just make them worthless with competition!
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I'm glad @DiogenesLamp is here.  He does not feed on outrage.  He is measured and articulate and makes good points. 

He is a much-needed voice for conservatism on this forum.

WTH? This is a conservative forum?  No wonder I've been beating my head against the wall.

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I believe @DiogenesLamp is simply asking for fairness. 

That's the point.
It isn't about fairness.
It can't be about fairness.
Dreaming that it is, is simply drinking the liberal koolaid.
Shit ain't fair. Get used to it.
And giving the federal government even more power to enforce even more 'fairness' is antithetical to Conservative principles.
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What's needed in the NEWS business is the equivalent of UBER and LYFT!

Don't take any licenses away! Just make them worthless with competition!

I don't understand why it isn't happening. Online media is ripe and ready to take over broadcast/cable. Some enterprising genius just needs to create the platform, then write the new rules.
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