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Offline Emjay

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Wow.  Just wow.  Who, may I ask, would you appoint to be the "Truth Czar?"  Who decides what the truth is?

Did I suggest a truth czar?  I did not.  I suggested a few regulations to hold the media's feet to the fire.

They should not be able to lie and slant the truth. 

So, you don't know what the truth is?  The truth is what is true.  There now.
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Wow.  Just wow.  Who, may I ask, would you appoint to be the "Truth Czar?"  Who decides what the truth is?

A better word to use is “facts.”

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I know no such thing.  But, I do know you guys are scaring the crap out of me.  And, I highly doubt I will comply with your demand to not argue with you about this.  You will have many voices not willing to STFU at your command.

Clearly pro-Trumpers love liberty as much as Democrats do... which isn't a whole lot.

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A better word to use is “facts.”

OK, I have no trouble amending that.  "Who would you appoint as "Fact Czar?"  Who decides?  What branch of the Government?
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True “facts” are determined in court every day.

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Stop arguing with me.  I'm right and you know it.

No, you're not. Here's a good touchstone:

We're truing to make the federal government LESS powerful... To shrink it down to it's proper Constitutional boundaries. This is not doing that.

The arbiter of truth, right now, is the civil court. I like it like that.

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The lying has to stop.

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The lying has to stop.

Not by way of federal coercion.
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True “facts” are determined in court every day.

Poor example.  The courts are becoming less reliable every day, as they stray from the Constitution and a nation of laws, to becoming a nation of men.
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Not by way of federal coercion.
You are becoming what you are supposed to fight against.

They don't want "freedom of the press," they want to be the ones pulling the levers of the press.  Some freedom.
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As long as people continue to be 'pragmatic' and vote party, we will continue to get politicians. The ENTIRE reason the congress is paralyzed right now is because of pragmatism being the word, rather than Conservatism. Vote for men who will undoubtedly stand for Conservative principles, and you will begin to tip the balance the other way.

We NEED tried and true, true-blue, rock-ribbed, Conservative statesmen, and literally nothing else will do.

Until the American people understand that, nothing will change.
this current government is a symptom (including Tump).
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The Media Research Center had a bumper sticker a number of years back, “Don’t believe the lying media.”

Well, it took Donald Trump to bring it to the nation’s attention. And God bless him for doing so.

We are finally having that national conversation.

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Why should the only recourse be, for a willfully damaging news story based upon lies and innuendos from anonymous sources, to force them to rebut it on their own networks?

How does one reach the audience of the affected with sinister lies, meant to keep their viewers from knowing the TRUTH?

Do you force them to cover previously ignored stories?  NO!

You charge them with willful intent to deceive the People of the USA and then you prove it in a public trial.


I could live with that if the issue was only about damaging stories.   What about even more damaging non-stories?   (Stories they refused to run and because they refused to run them,  it caused damage.)


The media does more damage by refusing to cover a story than they do by pushing fake stories.    How likely would the public have been to reelect Obama if they only knew of the information we were seeing on the conservative websites?     


Obama more or less singlehandedly created ISIS,  and he is more responsible than anyone else for it's atrocities.    Who in the network media pointed out Obama's involvement in creating ISIS?   

Nobody did.   How much blood shed and treasure did this cost?   It was immense. 




President Trump is merely snapping his fingers to bring everyone's attention to the matter.


This is plain to see for some of us,  but many of us want to focus on a tree instead of the larger forest. 

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The Media Research Center had a bumper sticker a number of years back, “Don’t believe the lying media.”

Well, it took Donald Trump to bring it to the nation’s attention. And God bless him for doing so.

We are finally having that national conversation.

Where have you been? We've been 'having this conversation' at the top of our lungs, for 30 years or better.

The difference being in your case (all y'all), you advocate the liberal idea that the ends justify the means. and that is never true.

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The lying has to stop.
So don't buy it. Don't watch it.

Same rule as I use with programs containing gratuitous faggotry: JUST DON'T WATCH. Break that rule just once, I am done with the show. I don't watch cable news. I buy only a rare newspaper. I subscribe to very few magazines (mostly technical journals).

Sure, they  will put it out there, but I'm not buying it. There are already laws against slander and libel. Use them. Censorship is for Communists.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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AP spiked stories about Russian genocide in the 1930's in Siberia and the NYT downplayed the NAZI Holocaust for all of WWII.

This is nothing new.  Just like media having a Liberal bent is as predictable as the sun coming up.


That it has persisted does not make it acceptable.   It is in fact unacceptable in a society like ours.   

You are asserting  argumentum ad antiquitatem.   






If this was Obama threatening Fox your attitude would be completely different...in fact it probably was every time he badmouthed FNC.


Obama wouldn't necessarily threaten publicly.   He would do it the "Chicago Way" which means he would send them a message that said "Nice little network you've got here.  It would be a shame if anything happened to it."   


You're all about revenge. 

The First Amendment protects NBC even when they are acting the way the are.  It doesn't just protect speech you agree with...but that with which you disagree with as well.

It is not protecting our speech at all.  The purpose of "speech"  is to influence listeners.   They have millions every night,  and are therefore very influential.    We are kept away from the listeners by the actions of the Federal Government who gave them exclusive access and monopoly to the broadcasting channels.   

The government is therefore suppressing our freedom of speech by depriving us of the crowds to which the networks broadcast. 

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Same rule as I use with programs containing gratuitous faggotry

Sooo... Your post infers a 'non-gratuitous faggotry'... Do tell...
 :eatdrink:

 :silly:

No really... good post.
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Whether I like or trust a news source or not, I still don’t want big government revoking or otherwise “challenging” licenses to news sources that they deem are unfair, lying, or simply not to their liking.


Here we go again.  People still thinking this is about "licenses." 




It is about "licenses"  in the same manner forcing people to bake a homosexual cake is about "cake." 


News flash!   It isn't about cake!

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That's the bottom line.

Revenge, getting even, censorship, and "fairness" are not conservative principles.


Dying isn't a conservative principle either,   but if we don't do something about the propaganda and censorship,  we will be eventually left with no other choice but to die. 


When Abraham Lincoln was confronted with a set of seemingly incompatible principles,  this is what he did. 


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I did understand however, that my oath to preserve the constitution to the best of my ability, imposed upon me the duty of preserving, by every indispensable means, that government -- that nation -- of which that constitution was the organic law. Was it possible to lose the nation, and yet preserve the constitution? By general law life and limb must be protected; yet often a limb must be amputated to save a life; but a life is never wisely given to save a limb. I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground, and now avow it. I could not feel that, to the best of my ability, I had even tried to preserve the constitution, if, to save slavery, or any minor matter, I should permit the wreck of government, country, and Constitution all together.
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Sooo... Your post infers a 'non-gratuitous faggotry'... Do tell...
 :eatdrink:

 :silly:

No really... good post.
 :beer:
LOL! Gratuitous faggotry is faggotry that was installed to try to normalize the presence of homosexuality without contributing to or being essential in any way to the plot. That gets shut down immediately, and the show is not watched again, in the case of a series. (Fear the Walking Dead was one. The guys could have just been bros.)
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Non-gratuitous faggotry is essential to the plot--in which case I'm not going to watch, anyway. :tongue2:
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No, you're not. Here's a good touchstone:

We're truing to make the federal government LESS powerful... To shrink it down to it's proper Constitutional boundaries. This is not doing that.

The arbiter of truth, right now, is the civil court. I like it like that.

I'm on board with that.

But I love the fact that Trump started his.  He's dumb, but then again, he's not so dumb.

He brought huge attention to media bias. 

Just look at how many people are all het up.
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Dying isn't a conservative principle either,   but if we don't do something about the propaganda and censorship,  we will be eventually left with no other choice but to die. 


When Abraham Lincoln was confronted with a set of seemingly incompatible principles,  this is what he did.

Rush is always calling MSNBC and CNN mouth-pieces for the Democrat party.

I thought all Trump said about NBC was about being "challenged", I'll re-read his words, however, we know that just plugging for one party is political speech and I thought that some guidelines do have to be followed if one is doing that.

You talked about Cruz hate over at TOS but I think you are responding to some typical negativity here that qualifies as that against Trump that's pretty common here.

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I'm on board with that.

But I love the fact that Trump started his.  He's dumb, but then again, he's not so dumb.

He brought huge attention to media bias. 

Just look at how many people are all het up.

Meh.
It is ever so.
Flailing around about it is much ado about nothing.

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Meh.
It is ever so.
Flailing around about it is much ado about nothing.

Meh, too.  All these pages and no resolution.

Still, I think it is a topic worthy of discussion.
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Dying isn't a conservative principle either,   but if we don't do something about the propaganda and censorship,  we will be eventually left with no other choice but to die. 


When Abraham Lincoln was confronted with a set of seemingly incompatible principles,  this is what he did.
I'm well aware of what Lincoln did.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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If we’re really to the point where so-called conservatives are calling for more government regulation of the free press, I’ve truly lost hope for our republic.  God help us........Please! 
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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

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Meh, too.  All these pages and no resolution.

Still, I think it is a topic worthy of discussion.

That's right.
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If we’re really to the point where so-called conservatives are calling for more government regulation of the free press, I’ve truly lost hope for our republic.  God help us........Please!

QFT.

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Meh, too.  All these pages and no resolution.

Still, I think it is a topic worthy of discussion.

If for no other reason than to remind ourselves why it's a bad idea.  **nononono*
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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

Then he's going to have to take these lies on retail, as they come up.  He can't create a situation of wholesale media crushing.  No.
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If we’re really to the point where so-called conservatives are calling for more government regulation of the free press, I’ve truly lost hope for our republic.  God help us........Please!

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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

It was not a lie.  The "ten fold" part might not be accurate, but I posted an interview that Reuters did with him back in January where he said the nuclear arsenal needed to be increased.

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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

QFT

If all Trump said is "they can be challenged", then the laws probably already exist (just like with immigration) versus those riding on their high horse, accusing others of wanting more regulation, etc. The usual garden variety of accusations from the self-righteous.


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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

Breaking story next:

"White House staff says that Trump sometimes eats ice cream right from the container late at night....and leaves the spoon in the sink!!"

CNN:  "Sources close to MSNBC report a WH insider, is appalled and want the spoons cleaned, as stated in the Constitution."

MSNBC: "Sources close to CNN, call it a scandal of immense proportions never before seen in the WH kitchens. GOP official confirms his disgust over wealthy Trump, stealing bites of government ice cream. Calls for committee hearings, about Trump family freeloading."

HINT: "Ten fold" does NOT equal "increased" Not today and not last January.

Ten fold is a LIE, a word I do not often use.
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I know a lady, her eyesight got so bad, they took her license away, I guess in that way, it was challenged per existing laws but...



Whatever allows others to look down on others, "so-called conservatives".

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Just to swing back to the OP for a moment.

That story that Trump wanted a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal? A lie. Thousand percent, a lie, and Trump called them out on it.

But, tomorrow Big Media gets to start up another lie, and another after that. But Trump won’t take it lying down. Pres. Trump has won a lot of battles so far. Let’s see how this one goes as it plays out.

How do we know the NBC story was a lie?  Because Trump says it was?  Has he demanded proof of the story, such as a videotape or audiotape of the event where these remarks allegedly were made?  Does he have possession of evidence to refute the story? 

Seems to me Trump makes this fake news allegation only when something potentially embarrassing to him is reported.  I've seen a lot of "fake news" relevant to the Las Vegas massacre, but I don't see Trump squawking about that.  He is only interested in any reporting that impacts negatively on him. 

By the way, taking to Twitter to complain is not "winning."  If he has a problem with the way a story is presented, he or his counsel should be dealing with the news outlet directly and professionally.  Demand proof.  Present concrete evidence that the story is a lie.  Otherwise, he just cements his reputation of being a whiny little kid.

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As long as people continue to be 'pragmatic' and vote party, we will continue to get politicians. The ENTIRE reason the congress is paralyzed right now is because of pragmatism being the word, rather than Conservatism.


Congress is paralyzed with fear of what the media will do to them if they do the job their constituents sent them there to do. 


They would get endless media rants about how they hate poor people,  women,  children and they are also racist!     The F***ing media runs this country,  and too many people are too dense to realize what has been going on around them for a long time. 


Why did we lose Vietnam?   Because the ginned up fake scandal convinced the population that we needed more Democrats to control that crooked Richard Nixon.   Democrats had no interest in keeping the agreement we made to secure peace in Vietnam,  they cut off aid,  and the NVA eventually took advantage and conquered the rest of the Country. 

Lying media upended the lives of millions of people and damaged the sacrifices and  world respect of the United States.   



Vote for men who will undoubtedly stand for Conservative principles, and you will begin to tip the balance the other way.

We NEED tried and true, true-blue, rock-ribbed, Conservative statesmen, and literally nothing else will do.

Until the American people understand that, nothing will change.
this current government is a symptom (including Tump).


Till the American people can see reasons for doing this on their television screens,  nothing will change.  Because the Liberal media censors will never let these reasons for doing so be seen on their monopoly controlled television channels nothing will change. 

We have a logjam on the flow of information to the American people.   We need to bust the log jam and let the information flow freely.
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If the media were winning Trump wouldn't be President.

The power to decide what is truth and what is not is supposed to rest with the people. Not the government. Not the media.

I don't want the government or the media defining what is "truth". This is just another example of why a number of Trump "conservatives" aren't conservative at all. Just another flavor of big government running roughshod over peoples lives.



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If the media were winning Trump wouldn't be President.

The power to decide what is truth and what is not is supposed to rest with the people. Not the government. Not the media.

I don't want the government or the media defining what is "truth". This is just another example of why a number of Trump "conservatives" aren't conservative at all. Just another flavor of big government running roughshod over peoples lives.
Правда (Pravda) translates as "Truth". For those of us who recall the Cold War and the days of Nikitia Kruschev beating a shoe on the podium, we know what that implies (lies the State wants you to hear).

If there is a lack of Conservative material in the media, then Conservatives need to produce and market that material.
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Nice try to weasel out.


Don't you mean nice try on your part to deflect? 


You were the one whining about how a high percentage of the media is left-wing, yet you've done nothing to change that. 


And you know this how?   




Rather than lift a finger, your first reaction is to try to tear down America's Constitution.   


That is an accusation made by you people who do not want to really grasp the problem we face.   You aren't grasping the role that "free speech"  is intended to play in a society,  and why the founders thought it needed to be an enumerated right.


Why is free speech necessary?   I don't think you know.   You just run on mantras and cliches,  but you don't bore down to the bedrock theory of why we need freedom of speech.   To you it is just the way things always were,  and it sounds good,  so you pay lip service to the idea.   


What purpose is "free speech"  intended to serve in our system of governance?   





No.  Because attacking America's foundation is worse than worthless.


If you think that,  then stop defending those people who are doing it. 


I encourage you to rethink your position.


I encourage you to do the initial thinking on your position.   You don't seem to understand the purpose for which Freedom of Speech is necessary.   

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I know a lady, her eyesight got so bad, they took her license away, I guess in that way, it was challenged per existing laws but...



Whatever allows others to look down on others, "so-called conservatives".

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It's rare to see a post so devoid of any kind of sense as this one I'm quoting.  WTF?
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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During the election, we were told to ignore the odors of fascism that seemed to be wafting from some corners of the Trump campaign.

Now, we're told to breathe deeply and inhale the full-fledged stench of government-controlled media.


You offered that delusion back then,    now you inform us all you that you checked with yourself,  and found yourself to be absolutely right about what you had previously believed. 


Confirmation bias.   


At this point i'm ready to say  "F*** controlling it.   Just burn the whole sonnofab*tch down. "   Kill Television in total,  and let people get their news from newspapers.   

The thing wouldn't even exist but for government approved licenses,  and the naive among us don't want "government"  involved in what was the very creation of government. 



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That cannot - CANNOT - be done with regulation. All you are doing is setting up the Office of Propaganda. If you find it so repugnant, then encourage libel and slander suits. That is what is supposed to keep them flying right and telling the truth.


The post was about destroying what is existing by using the powers of government to wound and cripple it. 

The argument was not so much a matter of how it was done,  but rather a pointing out of the necessity of doing it.   If you want to drop an asteroid on it,  that's fine with me too,  but the point is allowing this propaganda system to continue with no meaningful opposition is a recipe for social and fiscal destruction. 


You made a decent argument that market forces are  damaging it,  and if this is the eventual result than I will be okay with that,   but I am however so concerned that this beast be slain that my go to position on it is "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure." 

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You think Big Government is the right tool for the job of revenge? 


When the only tool you've got is a hammer,  all your problems start to look like nails. 


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When the only tool you've got is a hammer,  all your problems start to look like nails.

You say that like it's a positive attribute?
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I will NOT comply.
 
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You say that like it's a positive attribute?

I thought maybe it was irony?

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 The founders wanted a marketplace of ideas, a free exchange of fire on the battlefield of logic and reason—not one party rule over the spread, or suppression, of information.



A concept which the cliche throwers can't seem to wrap their minds around.    They are so fixated on how things have always been done,  that they don't realize this system is violating the very reason for which the founders thought Freedom of Speech was so essential.   


If both sides can't reach the public,  one side is defacto denied freedom of speech. 

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I thought maybe it was irony?

I'm seriously shaking my head over that one.  If the only tool one has is Big Government, it's time to find a better toolbox.
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I will NOT comply.
 
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There isn't one party rule over the media. Conservatives these days have as many or more choices than they have ever had.


The  DANGER from one party control of the dominant media is not that conservatives will be unable to find information. 

The DANGER is that a misinformed public will act on incorrect or a lack of correct information. 

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