Trump supporters dig up personal information on thousands of Trump opponents

[DCPatriot]

Philosophical statement that doesn't actually mean anything beyond "virtue signaling".   There is going to be a future.  It may be a socialist hell in which millions die or suffer in poverty,  as in what past socialist experiments have achieved,  (and current ones. See Venezuela) but there is going to be a future. 


We can wax namby pamby about not getting our hands dirty,  or we can fight with whatever methods are necessary to achieve a better future than socialist death.

You talk about principles,  but from my perspective,  the greater principle is to prevent horrible suffering by stopping the socialist hell from getting here in the first place.

 

[Smokin Joe]

I have a hard time believing y'all. One of the things we are fighting is the liberal attitude that "It's okay when we do it.", yet that is what you are supporting? It's okay when alleged conservatives break the law, well, because the ends justify the means? What's next, Star Chamber "justice"?

[Restored]

I have a hard time believing y'all. One of the things we are fighting is the liberal attitude that "It's okay when we do it.", yet that is what you are supporting? It's okay when alleged conservatives break the law, well, because the ends justify the means? What's next, Star Chamber "justice"?

We aren't talking about killing people. The media does it all the time and now the Left does it so it's not a crime. It's legal. If you believe it is immoral, you should have been saying something when the media started doing it to people in the 1970's. What is immoral is threatening people after the get doxxed. Focus on that.

Every Letter to the Editor contains the person's name and city so people can call them up and yell at them.

[txradioguy]

Every Letter to the Editor contains the person's name and city so people can call them up and yell at them.

But it doesn't contain their home address...phone number to their home and their employer...email addresses and in some cases pictures of the actual person and their house so they can be harassed in person as well.

[Smokin Joe]

We aren't talking about killing people. The media does it all the time and now the Left does it so it's not a crime. It's legal. If you believe it is immoral, you should have been saying something when the media started doing it to people in the 1970's. What is immoral is threatening people after the get doxxed. Focus on that.

Every Letter to the Editor contains the person's name and city so people can call them up and yell at them.

Yeah, I have been. Letters to the editor, newsletter columns, now on the web. Problem on the web is that while writing a letter to the editor reaches a community, a post on the web reaches out far beyond that. That means far more nutcases will read it and maybe a few of those might decide a person needs to be silenced. That is the danger of being doxxed. There is always some crazy b@stard out there, and doubtless, there is one for everyone who takes a stand. Will you show up in front of my house to help defend my family when some shit for brains nutcase from the coast pulls up and decides to kick the door in and kill everyone inside?
Or if a few cars full of them decide to do something like that? Even the Founders saw fit to use pen names to discuss the Constitution (The Federalist Papers). It is not an uncommon approach to controversial topics and it keeps things more civil. Civility is something America could use a bit more of.

[Restored]

But it doesn't contain their home address...phone number to their home and their employer...email addresses and in some cases pictures of the actual person and their house so they can be harassed in person as well.

It's easy to find. I've gotten several calls after letters were printed. All they did was look me up in the phone book. How much easier is that now with the Internet?

[Smokin Joe]

It's easy to find. I've gotten several calls after letters were printed. All they did was look me up in the phone book. How much easier is that now with the Internet?

Actually, with more and more people abandoning landlines for cell only or voip, it's isn't getting any easier.

[txradioguy]

It's easy to find. I've gotten several calls after letters were printed. All they did was look me up in the phone book. How much easier is that now with the Internet?

You ever been on the receiving end of a doxxing attack?

[ABX]

It's easy to find. I've gotten several calls after letters were printed. All they did was look me up in the phone book. How much easier is that now with the Internet?

I've received many calls after letters to the editor. I even had one county constable candidate come to my door twice to 'correct' my thinking.

This isn't the same as Doxxing. In a letter to the editor, you are choosing to release your name to the public.

In a Doxxing attack, the attacker is pulling up personal data on the poster who didn't choose that and is releasing that data for the purpose of harassment, intimidation, or worse.

For example, if you wrote a letter to the editor as Joe Smith, you chose to tell everyone you were Joe Smith and this is your belief.

However, if you signed your letter as 'Concerned Citizen' and someone digs up your personal data somehow and tells everyone that 'Concerned Citizen' is you and starts posting your name, number, employer, and other data, that's Doxxing. That in itself is illegal, however it becomes even more of a problem when it is done to harass, such as getting mobs of people on the internet to go after your employer to ruin your business reputation or get you fired.

Think about Yelp mobs ruining a business because they disagree with the owner's private political beliefs. That happens even when the owner expresses a belief anonymously now or has an anonymous account on a political forum (as an example).

Members of this and related forums are not unfamiliar with this. I don't know if you remember the old Clown Posse days where there was a big effort to 'out' freepers and post their personal information on line.

Even on this site, just last year, two members were banned for doxxing other members. In one case, a member started posting graphics with personal information of other members all over threads- information that those members didn't tell others on the forum.

Another member was banned for threatening the personal business of owner of this site. Threatening her he would 'out' her on Linked In and it 'would look bad for her business' if she opposed X.

These are very different cases than just signing a letter to the editor.

[txradioguy]

I've received many calls after letters to the editor. I even had one county constable candidate come to my door twice to 'correct' my thinking.

This isn't the same as Doxxing. In a letter to the editor, you are choosing to release your name to the public.

In a Doxxing attack, the attacker is pulling up personal data on the poster who didn't choose that and is releasing that data for the purpose of harassment, intimidation, or worse.

For example, if you wrote a letter to the editor as Joe Smith, you chose to tell everyone you were Joe Smith and this is your belief.

However, if you signed your letter as 'Concerned Citizen' and someone digs up your personal data somehow and tells everyone that 'Concerned Citizen' is you and starts posting your name, number, employer, and other data, that's Doxxing. That in itself is illegal, however it becomes even more of a problem when it is done to harass, such as getting mobs of people on the internet to go after your employer to ruin your business reputation or get you fired.

Think about Yelp mobs ruining a business because they disagree with the owner's private political beliefs. That happens even when the owner expresses a belief anonymously now or has an anonymous account on a political forum (as an example).

Members of this and related forums are not unfamiliar with this. I don't know if you remember the old Clown Posse days where there was a big effort to 'out' freepers and post their personal information on line.

Even on this site, just last year, two members were banned for doxxing other members. In one case, a member started posting graphics with personal information of other members all over threads- information that those members didn't tell others on the forum.

Another member was banned for threatening the personal business of owner of this site. Threatening her he would 'out' her on Linked In and it 'would look bad for her business' if she opposed X.

These are very different cases than just signing a letter to the editor.

Exactly.  Thank you for making such a brilliant illustration in the difference between the two.

[DCPatriot]

I have a hard time believing y'all. One of the things we are fighting is the liberal attitude that "It's okay when we do it.", yet that is what you are supporting? It's okay when alleged conservatives break the law, well, because the ends justify the means? What's next, Star Chamber "justice"?

Hmmmmm,..... ....., ....., 

[Silver Pines]

We aren't talking about killing people. The media does it all the time and now the Left does it so it's not a crime. It's legal. If you believe it is immoral, you should have been saying something when the media started doing it to people in the 1970's. What is immoral is threatening people after the get doxxed. Focus on that.

Every Letter to the Editor contains the person's name and city so people can call them up and yell at them.

@Restored

Well, at least we stop short of killing...

[txradioguy]

@Restored

Well, at least we stop short of killing...

@CatherineofAragon

For now...

[guitar4jesus]

@CatherineofAragon

For now...

Aye.

[DCPatriot]

@CatherineofAragon

For now...

On that, we can agree.

We're only ONE horrific domestic large scale racial attack away from deadly skirmishes.

It's only a short leap to hell from there, forward.

[Restored]

@Restored

Well, at least we stop short of killing...

Except for people we deem to be Fascists. It's OK to kill them.

[txradioguy]

Members of this and related forums are not unfamiliar with this. I don't know if you remember the old Clown Posse days where there was a big effort to 'out' freepers and post their personal information on line.

@AbaraXas I remember that all too well.  I was one of the ones they went after.  Myself FReeper MoJo2001 and her husband and a couple others associated with Proud Patriots and the FReeper Canteen.  FReeper DivaBetsyRoss was feeding them info on a few of us as well. It spilled over onto LibertyPost.org and got really ugly at ConservataiveUnderground.com.

All I did was stand up for what PP was doing when they were accused by the CP morons of ripping people off.  I said that wasn't correct that I had actually received several care packages from them.

For that I was doxxed and hounded relentlessly.  At one point one of them had set up cloud storage to keep track of every post I made on the internet.  They contacted my chain of command at the unit I was at during all of this.

Thanks to FReeper FrankSolich we were able to find out that the way they were able to get inside info on myself and one other person was that one of the CP idiots was working as a secretary in the deans office at West Point.  She had access to the military global email address book.

It was a nightmare of a time.  And I hope to God for their sake I don't ever run across a former CP @sshole that was part of any of that on a forum or in real life.

Just sayin...

[DiogenesLamp]

I have a hard time believing y'all. One of the things we are fighting is the liberal attitude that "It's okay when we do it.", yet that is what you are supporting? It's okay when alleged conservatives break the law, well, because the ends justify the means? What's next, Star Chamber "justice"?

Let me see if a better wordsmith than I can explain it to you.


" I did understand however, that my oath to preserve the constitution to the best of my ability, imposed upon me the duty of preserving, by every indispensable means, that government -- that nation -- of which that constitution was the organic law. Was it possible to lose the nation, and yet preserve the constitution? By general law life and limb must be protected; yet often a limb must be amputated to save a life; but a life is never wisely given to save a limb. I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground, and now avow it. I could not feel that, to the best of my ability, I had even tried to preserve the constitution, if, to save slavery, or any minor matter, I should permit the wreck of government, country, and Constitution all together. "


-Abraham Lincoln-

[DiogenesLamp]

On that, we can agree.

We're only ONE horrific domestic large scale racial attack away from deadly skirmishes.

It's only a short leap to hell from there, forward.

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”


From "The Sun Also Rises" by Ernest Hemingway,  1926. 


This same phenomena also applies to societies.

[Smokin Joe]

Let me see if a better wordsmith than I can explain it to you.


" I did understand however, that my oath to preserve the constitution to the best of my ability, imposed upon me the duty of preserving, by every indispensable means, that government -- that nation -- of which that constitution was the organic law. Was it possible to lose the nation, and yet preserve the constitution? By general law life and limb must be protected; yet often a limb must be amputated to save a life; but a life is never wisely given to save a limb. I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground, and now avow it. I could not feel that, to the best of my ability, I had even tried to preserve the constitution, if, to save slavery, or any minor matter, I should permit the wreck of government, country, and Constitution all together. "


-Abraham Lincoln-

My ancestors were in a state militarily invaded and occupied under Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus, where the grandson of Francis Scott Key was imprisoned in Fort McHenry, and many left the State to fight for the South. I do not view Lincoln as a saint, nor his invading marauders as the saviours of anything, rather I see that as the era when our formerly Federal Government became a militarily imposed National Government, truly the beginning of the end of the Constitution. Burn every house not used to quarter troops or as a hospital, what crops were not 'foraged' were destroyed, industry burned, no, he waged total war on everyone, including women and children, despite waving (belatedly) the standard of false morality of freeing slaves.
We have all suffered the destruction of the Constitutional Republic he set in motion, and Southerners still haven't forgotten.

[DiogenesLamp]

My ancestors were in a state militarily invaded and occupied under Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus, where the grandson of Francis Scott Key was imprisoned in Fort McHenry, and many left the State to fight for the South. I do not view Lincoln as a saint, nor his invading marauders as the saviours of anything, rather I see that as the era when our formerly Federal Government became a militarily imposed National Government, truly the beginning of the end of the Constitution. Burn every house not used to quarter troops or as a hospital, what crops were not 'foraged' were destroyed, industry burned, no, he waged total war on everyone, including women and children, despite waving (belatedly) the standard of false morality of freeing slaves.
We have all suffered the destruction of the Constitutional Republic he set in motion, and Southerners still haven't forgotten.

Well I agree with you about Lincoln,  and not remembering if you were a Southerner or not,  I took a chance.  :)   


Most of the time if you quote Lincoln,  people fall all over themselves in obsequiousness in an effort to Virtue Signal how much they were against slavery.   


Yes,  Lincoln appears to have been a dictator,  and he was just justifying his actions with that flowery prose of his.   


But he still makes a good argument.    If you cannot save the system within the bounds of the system,  then what is the point of respecting the bounds of the system?   





 

[jmyrlefuller]

Are any of us on these lists?

[Smokin Joe]

Well I agree with you about Lincoln,  and not remembering if you were a Southerner or not,  I took a chance.  :)   


Most of the time if you quote Lincoln,  people fall all over themselves in obsequiousness in an effort to Virtue Signal how much they were against slavery.   


Yes,  Lincoln appears to have been a dictator,  and he was just justifying his actions with that flowery prose of his.   


But he still makes a good argument.    If you cannot save the system within the bounds of the system,  then what is the point of respecting the bounds of the system?

If you leave those bounds, it is highly unlikely you will return. You burn the village to save it.