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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2017, 06:26:00 pm »
EO's are not legislation

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2017, 06:26:28 pm »
So.....a Conservative that doesn't agree with the social conservatives on abortion is deemed a straight out liberal in here?

This is why there isn't a "Religion" category in here.   :police:

He also thinks he should be able to veto his neighbor's right to self defense with a firearm.  It's not just this issue.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2017, 06:27:38 pm »
EO's are not legislation

I'm aggrieved it took 100 posts for somebody else to notice that.  I was waiting, good work, @geronl!
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2017, 06:28:50 pm »
The best way to make abortion obsolete is to make unplanned pregnancies obsolete.   

Which requires girls to keep their legs closed and boys to keep their zippers up.   But since we have no need for morals or God in our culture - and sex is deemed a 'right' to have in concert with the consequences being deemed a 'right' to get rid of, abortion as a form of birth control is never going to be obsolete.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2017, 06:28:57 pm »
Did they serve Tapioca pudding or jello squares for desert at the home tonight?  :laugh:

LOL!   The Tapioca binds me up....no thanks.   :laugh:    And no sugar for me.....in my coffee.    A1-C dropped a full whole number in 120 days.   

Gee....maybe that explains my sour mood in here?...............NAW!!!!!    Just can't suffer fools, is all.    :beer:
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2017, 06:29:07 pm »
So.....a Conservative that doesn't agree with the social conservatives on abortion is deemed a straight out liberal in here?

This is why there isn't a "Religion" category in here.   :police:

Who besides you mentioned religion? If you support infantacide, you are a liberal. If you don't, you arent. Simple math. No conservative supports 'the right to choose'.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2017, 06:30:44 pm »
He also thinks he should be able to veto his neighbor's right to self defense with a firearm.  It's not just this issue.

 :pondering:    Hmmmmmmm......
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« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2017, 06:32:51 pm »
LOL!   The Tapioca binds me up....no thanks.   :laugh:    And no sugar for me.....in my coffee.    A1-C dropped a full whole number in 120 days.   

Gee....maybe that explains my sour mood in here?...............NAW!!!!!    Just can't suffer fools, is all.    :beer:

I asked the staff to slip you a little saltpeter on occasion when you start getting frisky!   LOL

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2017, 06:33:55 pm »
Who besides you mentioned religion? If you support infantacide, you are a liberal. If you don't, you arent. Simple math. No conservative supports 'the right to choose'.

It was mentioned here earlier this morning, @Norm Lenhart   

We're all Pro-Life in here.   But forcing women who don't agree with us validates that stupid March on Saturday.

Better education may help in preventing the choice being made.    :shrug:

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2017, 06:34:19 pm »
Which requires girls to keep their legs closed and boys to keep their zippers up.   But since we have no need for morals or God in our culture - and sex is deemed a 'right' to have in concert with the consequences being deemed a 'right' to get rid of, abortion as a form of birth control is never going to be obsolete.

^^^ This.  Word.  I knew I could count on you, @INVAR
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2017, 06:35:42 pm »
LOL!   The Tapioca binds me up....no thanks.   :laugh:    And no sugar for me.....in my coffee.    A1-C dropped a full whole number in 120 days.   

Gee....maybe that explains my sour mood in here?...............NAW!!!!!    Just can't suffer fools, is all.    :beer:

I fell in love...and fools fall in love...therefore I am a fool.  OK!  I can accept that!   :beer:
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2017, 06:37:06 pm »
I fell in love...and fools fall in love...therefore I am a fool.  OK!  I can accept that!   :beer:

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #113 on: January 23, 2017, 06:39:53 pm »
The right that's precious is the right to one's self-determination.

Yet you have no problem denying that right to an entire society while imposing your own version of morality upon it.


A woman must have the right to decide whether to reproduce.

She does have that right.  And when a unique individual life with its own singular DNA forms in her womb, that decision has already been made.


Men don't endure the pain and burden of gestation and childbirth.   

Nor do men have the right to decide whether a woman reproduces.


Men have, again in my view, no right whatsoever to force a woman to abort, or to give birth.  But by supporting their partner, they can persuade her to do the right thing.

And herein lies another facet of the problem - men pressuring women to get abortions.  You see, it is men who are the biggest supporters of abortion because it allows them to treat women as sperm receptacles.  And if the woman gets knocked up, she can go off and get an abortion because it's legal and because it sure beats the hell out of 18 years of child support.

Abortion doesn't scar men.  It scars women.  Women are the victims of it.  Women are the ones who have to endure the psychological and spiritual effects of murdering a child.


What cynical bullcrap.   This is about the right of a woman to decide her future for herself, by herself.

And once a new life with its own unique DNA is created, that decision has been made.  You see, women are  in control of their bodies.  Women get to choose whether or not a man will be allowed to ejaculate inside of her.  They are not victims here.  They have the choice to engage in behavior that will result in the creation of human life.  THAT is the right to choose.

Yet society should have a voice in deciding whether that right should be extended to killing another human life.


I for one refuse to abide religious zealots

Yet you expect others to abide by your pro-abortion zealotry.


.  .  . who insist the state force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.   

Unwanted pregnancy?  Wait just a minute here.  Did the woman not have control over her own body?  Did the woman not know that allowing a man to ejaculate inside of her had a very high probability of pregnancy?  Did the woman decide for herself to engage in an activity that she knew in advance could result in the creation of a new life?

If becoming a crackhead is unwanted, then don't smoke crack.  If losing your license over a DUI is unwanted, then don't drive drunk.  If getting HepC is unwanted, then don't have anal sex.  If getting pregnant is not wanted, then don't have unprotected sex.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #114 on: January 23, 2017, 06:43:03 pm »
As a staunch pro-lifer (adopted when I was 4 days old, in 1976, bio-father was married and pressuring bio-mother to have an abortion)  I can't argue with people who are pro-abortion because it makes me irate.
It comes down to this: Is murder wrong?  yes or no? 
This whole "right to choose" is crap.  You chose to have sex or not.  you chose to get on the pill or not, you chose to use a condom or not.  And there's even the whole morning after pill which I object to. 
And don't even get me started on "rape exceptions".  Rape is bad, BUT if you rape someone and you have a 6 month old son when you do, and you get caught, the penalty is not the dismemberment of your 6-month-old.  And NO you aren't "forced to raise your rapist's child" unless you decide to not give it up for adoption.   
Point blank, it's murder. If you accept abortion as being ok, then you are saying that you are ok with murder if the person being killed is considered inconvenient to someone else, and that is hideous.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #116 on: January 23, 2017, 06:45:18 pm »
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« Reply #117 on: January 23, 2017, 06:46:46 pm »
It was mentioned here earlier this morning, @Norm Lenhart   

We're all Pro-Life in here.   But forcing women who don't agree with us validates that stupid March on Saturday.

Better education may help in preventing the choice being made.    :shrug:

Obviously we arent 'all' pro life.. Some of us want to spout pro choice rhetoric while claiming to be conservative. Which cheapens both the idea and ideals of pro life and conservatism and justifies the murder of human beings, whether you 'choose' to accept that reality or not.

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« Reply #118 on: January 23, 2017, 06:48:08 pm »
I thought this was a great idea when this was done the first time.

(was it Dubya? I think it might have been).

While the President may not be able to change the existing US law, at least we do not have to allow our tax dollars to go overseas to fund them.

Nice job.

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« Reply #119 on: January 23, 2017, 06:48:32 pm »
So.....a Conservative that doesn't agree with the social conservatives on abortion is deemed a straight out liberal in here?

This is why there isn't a "Religion" category in here.   :police:

Roe is a Constitutional issue - not a religious one.
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« Reply #120 on: January 23, 2017, 06:48:49 pm »
Did you know!  Most of the Village People are straight?


Actually I thought the (I think Indian was straight and the rest were gay. One of them is straight anyway.

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« Reply #121 on: January 23, 2017, 06:49:57 pm »
Did you know!  Most of the Village People are straight?
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And LBJ was so crooked he could hide behind a corkscrew.......


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« Reply #122 on: January 23, 2017, 06:50:49 pm »
My Idol....

Edit.  You Norm..... not the chapless dude.

Hey if one can be conservative while spouting rote pro choice propaganda here, SHIRLEY one can be straight in assless chaps with VP heros! Doesn't make you a bad man ;)

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« Reply #123 on: January 23, 2017, 06:55:20 pm »
No conservative supports 'the right to choose'.

This one does.  I believe States, or in lieu of that cities, or counties should have the right to choose their own laws regarding abortion in that society.  And as a member of that society, I have the right to express my opinion and argument advocating for the protection of human life.

It is the pro-abortion people who are anti-choice since they are the ones insisting that a society be denied the choice to establish its own laws.
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« Reply #124 on: January 23, 2017, 06:56:13 pm »
He also thinks he should be able to veto his neighbor's right to self defense with a firearm.  It's not just this issue.

JH also believes that gay "marriage" is a right as well...protected by the 14th Amendment.

Someone is jut trying to stir the pot and play contrarian.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #125 on: January 23, 2017, 06:56:38 pm »
Hey if one can be conservative while spouting rote pro choice propaganda here, SHIRLEY one can be straight in assless chaps with VP heros! Doesn't make you a bad man ;)

I hate to be the anal one here (HAH!), but chaps ARE assless.  They're designed to protect the front side of the legs.
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« Reply #126 on: January 23, 2017, 06:56:57 pm »
This one does.  I believe States, or in lieu of that cities, or counties should have the right to choose their own laws regarding abortion in that society.  And as a member of that society, I have the right to express my opinion and argument advocating for the protection of human life.

It is the pro-abortion people who are anti-choice since they are the ones insisting that a society be denied the choice to establish its own laws.

I mean 'The right to choose" regarding 'choose to murder your own children". AKA the typical liberal position.

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« Reply #127 on: January 23, 2017, 06:57:18 pm »
Hey if one can be conservative while spouting rote pro choice propaganda here, SHIRLEY one can be straight in assless chaps with VP heros! Doesn't make you a bad man ;)

I'm gonna chew on that awhile.   It's date night night in Montana and I have to get the flock out of here.

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« Reply #128 on: January 23, 2017, 06:58:17 pm »
I hate to be the anal one here (HAH!), but chaps ARE assless.  They're designed to protect the front side of the legs.

I figured someone would point that out eventually ;)

Your prize is a pair of 'assless pants' to wear to the next conservative gathering!

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« Reply #129 on: January 23, 2017, 06:58:18 pm »
What annoys me the most about this thread is that we have at least 3 women who are saying abortion is basically murder, and yet we have jazz head "mansplaining" to us why we are wrong and he is right on something he calls a women's issue

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« Reply #130 on: January 23, 2017, 06:58:52 pm »
I mean 'The right to choose" regarding 'choose to murder your own children". AKA the typical liberal position.

Yeah, I figured that.  I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of those claiming to be pro-choice.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #131 on: January 23, 2017, 06:59:03 pm »
JH also believes that gay "marriage" is a right as well...protected by the 14th Amendment.

Someone is jut trying to stir the pot and play contrarian.

@Cyber Liberty

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Well, he does stay away from personal attacks....
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #132 on: January 23, 2017, 06:59:49 pm »
Roe is a Constitutional issue - not a religious one.

Yes, it is.   

...cept for that darn 5th Commandment.   :shrug:
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #133 on: January 23, 2017, 07:00:18 pm »
I'm gonna chew on that awhile.   It's date night night in Montana and I have to get the flock out of here.

Leave the cute one with the spotted wool alone. Thats the sheriff's girl. (Don't ask how I know. The memory is too painful)

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #134 on: January 23, 2017, 07:01:14 pm »
What annoys me the most about this thread is that we have at least 3 women who are saying abortion is basically murder, and yet we have jazz head "mansplaining" to us why we are wrong and he is right on something he calls a women's issue

He's taking the classic position on abortion, which is it protects the right of men to have cost-free sex.  That's what it's all about.  I am so glad you Mom resisted the pressure and brought us you.  Hey!  I got a new FB account!  I need to Friend you!
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« Reply #135 on: January 23, 2017, 07:02:22 pm »
JH also believes that gay "marriage" is a right as well...protected by the 14th Amendment.

Forcing same-sex marriage upon the States is a violation of equal protection under Amendment XIV in that it forces allowance for one preference while denying all others.  Jazzhead knows this.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #136 on: January 23, 2017, 07:03:45 pm »
He's taking the classic position on abortion, which is it protects the right of men to have cost-free sex.  That's what it's all about.  I am so glad you Mom resisted the pressure and brought us you.  Hey!  I got a new FB account!  I need to Friend you!

How 'new'?

PM me....I need to Friend 'YOU'!    :beer:
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #137 on: January 23, 2017, 07:04:00 pm »
Forcing same-sex marriage upon the States is a violation of equal protection under Amendment XIV in that it forces allowance for one preference while denying all others.  Jazzhead knows this.

He's argued the exact opposite on here when the topic comes up.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #138 on: January 23, 2017, 07:04:05 pm »
Yes, it is.   

...cept for that darn 5th Commandment.   :shrug:

I can't find a 5th Commandment in my copy of the Constitution nor could I find any mention of it in any abortion case law.  Can you show me where I can locate it?
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #139 on: January 23, 2017, 07:04:20 pm »
I hate to be the anal one here (HAH!), but chaps ARE assless.  They're designed to protect the front side of the legs.

Protect them from what...rug burns?

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #140 on: January 23, 2017, 07:07:04 pm »
I can't find a 5th Commandment in my copy of the Constitution nor could I find any mention of it in any abortion case law.  Can you show me where I can locate it?

Anal, much?

Abortion is the killing of a human being.   Killing is against God's Commandment.   Ergo, may people need to go no further in defending their position against abortion.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #141 on: January 23, 2017, 07:07:21 pm »
I can't find a 5th Commandment in my copy of the Constitution nor could I find any mention of it in any abortion case law.  Can you show me where I can locate it?

Check under "Never Trumpers took a position that. while in synch with Trump's 'stated' position of late, must be opposed because they refused to bow down during the campaign".

Some people can't get over themselves.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #142 on: January 23, 2017, 07:09:21 pm »
He's argued the exact opposite on here when the topic comes up.

And his argument failed miserably.

I made the equal protection argument that as an insomniac I should have the right to marry identical twins so that I could have a wife that was awake any time I was awake.  It is my preference.  Yet the law and the court denies me my preference while granting preference to one group.  Not just granting that preference, but forcing it upon the entire nation regardless of State laws and State Constitutions.  Thus, equal protection is violated since one preference is enforced (at the point of a gun) while another is denied.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #143 on: January 23, 2017, 07:11:23 pm »
@Norm Lenhart

Hey, I'm still never Trump, but I am very happy I was wrong about his stance on this issue

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2017, 07:13:27 pm »
@Norm Lenhart

Hey, I'm still never Trump, but I am very happy I was wrong about his stance on this issue

Same here, but I'll reserve judgement until he brings it home to America. So far, so good though.

What I meant is that Don's more fanatical fans here can't get past the fact that we didn't simply STFU and evaporate. So they HAVE to fight us about something even when we support his decisions.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #145 on: January 23, 2017, 07:13:52 pm »
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #146 on: January 23, 2017, 07:14:01 pm »
Anal, much?

Abortion is the killing of a human being.   Killing is against God's Commandment.   Ergo, may people need to go no further in defending their position against abortion.

Yet I did go further.  I bypassed the religious argument altogether.  I didn't include religion at all.  Yet you couldn't help yourself.  For you, it was like a knee-jerk reflex.  Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. 
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #147 on: January 23, 2017, 07:17:51 pm »
Yet I did go further.  I bypassed the religious argument altogether.  I didn't include religion at all.  Yet you couldn't help yourself.  For you, it was like a knee-jerk reflex.  Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

WTF are you talking about??

I have absolutely no interest in why 'you' guyz are against abortion.

I was merely making an observation that, to many people, being against abortion on religious grounds, is sufficient.

Wasn't challenging anybody on this thread, whatsoever.

Get over yourselves.
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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #148 on: January 23, 2017, 07:20:11 pm »
I thought this was a great idea when this was done the first time.

(was it Dubya? I think it might have been).

While the President may not be able to change the existing US law, at least we do not have to allow our tax dollars to go overseas to fund them.

Nice job.

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Re: Trump Signs First Anti Abortion Legislation Today
« Reply #149 on: January 23, 2017, 07:22:34 pm »


#NTs can take a hike.   

First Monday of the man's presidency....and ya'll still find something to bitch about.   
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

Don't wait until you deathbed to tell people how you feel.  Tell them to f**k off now!   

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