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Donald Trump is good at branding. That's how he has extended his reach in business, through branding.

The only reason that a brand or label sticks is if there is some truth to it. For example, 'low-energy' Jeb worked because it was true; crooked Hillery works because it's true.

If someone is skinny but you call him fatso, they just shrug, while others look at you like your nuts. It doesn't stick.

Lyin' Ted...well, that stuck.

Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.
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I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.
He probably will--just about Halloween.
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Like you said, some truth: "Ted" was the true part.

Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.

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That wasn't carpet bombing.

I don't know why this is so difficult.  Anyone being remotely honest would acknowledge, "yeah, it was a poor choice of words, but he clarified it and it's been blown out of proportion."   That's fine, but instead, we get the arguing that it really wasn't a poor choice of words at all.

It was.
IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.

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The convoy was three miles long, and the US engaged all of its available aerial attack units to target it. However, bad weather and low visibility was hindering the attack.

First to reach the convoy were USMC A-6E Intruder jets with ammunition of Mark 20 Rockeye cluster bombs. They targeted the front and rear ends of the convoy to prevent it moving back or forwards and thus become a prime target for more attacks. The convoy became cut off.

Subsequently, the entire convoy was attacked by coalition aerial forces for around 10 hours. Any vehicle that diverted off of the highway was tracked, hunted and destroyed.
An A-10 Warthog aircraft pilot who took part in the attacks said that it was like a fireworks show with explosions all over the place.

Highway 8 was also being used by the Iraqi Republican Guard, which was trying to escape Kuwait from that route. US AH-64 Apache helicopters targeted the men and destroyed hundreds of military vehicles including tanks and personnel carriers.
Source:https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html
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Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.
As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
I knew where it came from, as Trump will give derogatory nicknames to anyone he considers an adversary:
"little Marco"
"Dopey Prince Al-Walid" (in a business deal)
"Crooked Hillary"

But that says something aobut someone who is running for President. What's next? "Poopy Putin"?
Hardly the sophistication or demeanor one would expect from Presidential material.
As for Cruz being "low Energy", I think there is a difference between being reserved in demeanor and 'low energy'. No one who is out campaigning, running a grueling schedule is (of necessity) 'low energy'. Having a composed and adult demeanor, someone who my grandmother would have felt had good enough manners to be in the parlor, so to speak, is not something I see as a negative. Proper decorum would be nice for a change, considering the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave slapped the Queen of England on the back.

Note, too, that Ronald Reagan spoke calmly, even when angry, and you will see what I mean. This is statecraft, not WWE. Jumping around like a poorly disciplined child may impress some, but it would not play well with heads of State elsewhere, and for all the 'energy' Trump displays, it is voiced as disjointed sentence fragments and incomplete thought trains instead of a directed and coherent mental process.

Beyond one liners, he frays, and I don't see that as a plus.
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As a Cruz supporter, every time I saw the "lyin' Ted" crap, frankly, it pissed me off.
I knew where it came from, as Trump will give derogatory nicknames to anyone he considers an adversary:
"little Marco"
"Dopey Prince Al-Walid" (in a business deal)
"Crooked Hillary"

But that says something aobut someone who is running for President. What's next? "Poopy Putin"?
Hardly the sophistication or demeanor one would expect from Presidential material.
As for Cruz being "low Energy", I think there is a difference between being reserved in demeanor and 'low energy'. No one who is out campaigning, running a grueling schedule is (of necessity) 'low energy'. Having a composed and adult demeanor, someone who my grandmother would have felt had good enough manners to be in the parlor, so to speak, is not something I see as a negative. Proper decorum would be nice for a change, considering the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave slapped the Queen of England on the back.

Note, too, that Ronald Reagan spoke calmly, even when angry, and you will see what I mean. This is statecraft, not WWE. Jumping around like a poorly disciplined child may impress some, but it would not play well with heads of State elsewhere, and for all the 'energy' Trump displays, it is voiced as disjointed sentence fragments and incomplete thought trains instead of a directed and coherent mental process.

Beyond one liners, he frays, and I don't see that as a plus.

"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.

The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.

Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.
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Other than to true Trump supporters I don't think "Lyin' Ted" stuck except to the extent it was so outrageous that it was taken as a comment more on Trump than Cruz.  I thought it was unwarranted, and pretty sickening.  One of many bad Trump moments.

"Low-energy", on the other hand, resonated with anyone.  Still a rude, nasty thing to say, but aptly descriptive.

It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.
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I'm not sure if he's a racist, though I do think he's a sexist.  But so is Hillary (more so, even), so that really doesn't enter the calculus for me.

I get your point.  I'm voting for Trump, but I absolutely cannot understand those who support him, but can't/won't admit that he's a turdball in many ways.  He is a very, very crappy consolation prize.  But honestly, in watching the DNC, that party has gone completely off the rails.  They have leapt on identity politics and collectivism to a degree that would have ashamed even many Democrats in 2008.  So, warts and all, I vote for him.

As a wart, he's ugly and hairy, but at least he's benign.  He can be cut out or removed at some point, 4 years max.  But those Dems over in Philly are malignant.  They have an organization, machine, committed doctrine, intensely loyal interest groups, and a good slice of the judiciary behind them.   They will grow, and spread if they aren't stopped.

I believe Trump and Hillary have been produced from the same political machine and both the DNC and RNC have gone off the rails.  If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him?  If King Trump is crowned he's in there for the long haul; however long it takes to fulfill the objective of those in power. If the RNC/GOPe didn't want him in position they would have supported Cruz and at the convention they would have stuck to their own rules.  Instead they bypassed some of their own rules, stripped other candidates of delegates and denied delegates a roll call vote.  "They" wanted him in place.  There are reasons Trump met with Ryan and Preibus long before the convention.  The fix is in for Hillary.
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"Low energy" destroyed Bush. Not because Bush was actually low energy - you don't govern a state being low energy. He was just boring & wore glasses. The name resonated because of the image Bush projected.

The "Lyin Ted" meme was a Trump camp fabrication that only worked as an integral part of their strategy of attacking what in reality is Cruz's strength - his integrity.

Of course those who still think the insult is cute know its bogus & continue to troll using it. I guess that makes them dishonest.

Calling them "dishonest" is being kind.
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It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.
One more reason to not tune in either one of them. I consider them as accurate as the National Enquirer, and I don't have a virtual birdcage to line.
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IIRC, that column was cut off at choke points and worked over by A-10s and other aircraft.


That is correct.

Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.

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I am still hoping that he finds reason to drop out of the race.

@libertybele

I still think he will in Sept or Oct,and the poll numbers show him losing. He's Donald Trump,and Donald Trump is NOT a loser. His ego could never tolerate him losing that publicly because he wouldn't be able to deny losing. Losing is for losers,not people named Donald Trump.

And he will spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I wanted,but I decided the job was beneath me,so I dropped out of the race."

I have no idea what the alleged Republicans will do if they don't just hold an emergency RNC meeting and declare the VP candidate to be the Presidential candidate,and appoint a VP running mate because there won't be time to run another primary. IF they do this,expect JEB or someone like him to be the running mate. The RNC may even find legal wiggle room to have Pense step down and accept JEB or some other globalist as the candidate.

Even under those circumstances I could see a Pence beating Bubbette! and becoming president because Trump not being on the ticket will energize the conservatives to vote "R",but with JEB or someone like him on the top of the ticket means a Bubbette! win.  JEB might even poison a Republican ticket as the VP candidate.
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It's stuck with Rush and Hannity...they both would use it...repeatedly.

Hannity is a ninny & Rush is a bore. Both have been loyal shills for the Donster.

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Hannity is a ninny & Rush is a bore. Both have been loyal shills for the Donster.

Hannity needs to have  his tailor fabricate some cushion knee pads into his suits for comfort.
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Hannity needs to have  his tailor fabricate some cushion knee pads into his suits for comfort.

I can still tolerate Rush, mostly for old times sake.

I cannot tolerate Hannity. He is shmutz of the first order.

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I'm cool with carpet bombing. It would probably be considerably more effective than this was which was more smaller cluster bombs and precision munitions. As bad as it looks, it really didn't kill the numbers of personnel we once believed it killed. If you look closely a lot of the vehicles are largely untouched with doors hanging open from drivers getting out and fleeing.

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Okay, I see the point you were making there.  But targeting a specific vehicle convoy isn't carpet-bombing by definition.

It is from a tactical POV,if not from a "Big AF Strategic" POV,and it only takes enough bombers to cover that specific area and do the job necessary.
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That is correct.

Hog drivers made mincemeat out of Sadaam's retreating army.



@INVAR    @Smokin Joe

If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.
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I believe Trump and Hillary have been produced from the same political machine and both the DNC and RNC have gone off the rails.  If those in power have been unable to remove Barry with a majority in both Houses do you think they'd be able to get rid of Trump or stop him?  If King Trump is crowned he's in there for the long haul; however long it takes to fulfill the objective of those in power. If the RNC/GOPe didn't want him in position they would have supported Cruz and at the convention they would have stuck to their own rules.  Instead they bypassed some of their own rules, stripped other candidates of delegates and denied delegates a roll call vote.  "They" wanted him in place.  There are reasons Trump met with Ryan and Preibus long before the convention.  The fix is in for Hillary.

I don't know, but I read somewhere that one of Trump's long time business friends, bails him out frequently  and has connections with THE DNC or Clinton,  has begun pumping money into the 3rd parties.

Who does that help? Hitlery... and this guy actually said he supports Trump..... do with that what you will. ....

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Good one!  :laugh:

To give what credit I can... It's a very quickly constructed nod to what I think was the very first humorous current-events image  I ever saw online, way back before there was a web and you had to decode ASCII-encoded files downloaded from USENET. 

It's stuck with me all years, but I can't begin to give exact credit as I don't recall the original artist...who probably used Photoshop version 1.0!


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I can still tolerate Rush, mostly for old times sake.

I cannot tolerate Hannity. He is shmutz of the first order.

I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.

But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter.  Sad.  I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.
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@INVAR    @Smokin Joe

If you are on the ground in the area where a Spooky gun ship or a flight of A-10's are working over,it's awful hard to convince you that SOMEBODY ain't being bombed when you are closer than "danger close" and can feel the ground vibrate from the cannon strikes.

Just the DU rounds alone impacting the ground can be felt almost mile away, not to mention JDAMS or Hellfires. Then there's that sound after the impacts of "BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!" followed by the scream of the engines whistling by as the Hog peels up and away, sometimes dropping chaff and flares as it goes.

Spooky you never hear.  You just get to watch the carnage of the mini guns laying everything waste or the whumps of the Howitzers or the Bofors impacting targets.
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I have never been able to handled the dullard Hannity.

But this past week was the first time I turned on Rush and had to turn it off again soon thereafter.  Sad.  I listened to him in the 80s, and went to the taping of his TV show in the 90s.

I could never stand Hannity.  The melees on his shows with Leftists were nauseating and I couldn't handle hearing  "Let me tell you something" about a dozen times a minute.

Rush I permanently turned off about a month ago and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious he was totally in the tank for his golf buddy and sacrificed everything we thought he stood for for a stalking horse for Hillary.  It was painful to hear him spin Trump's Liberalism as something of a good thing for the GOP.  The last straw was when I heard him yell at a woman who was a Cruz supporter than not voting for Trump was a vote for Hillary.

Oh well.  We were told that there would be a massive falling away from the truth at the time of the end.  I guess this is just another form of it taking shape
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