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« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2016, 02:59:36 pm »
Nope. It was a take-out slide, the very thing the major leagues are trying to stop.  Regardless of what happens, Odor is Nolan Ryan to Bautista's Robin Ventura.

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« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2016, 03:00:34 pm »
Nope. It was a take-out slide, the very thing the major leagues are trying to stop.  Regardless of what happens, Odor is Nolan Ryan to Bautista's Robin Ventura.

I have to agree with you.  Bautista's knee didn't even hit the ground until he was already beyond 2B. 
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« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2016, 03:42:02 pm »
I have to agree with you.  Bautista's knee didn't even hit the ground until he was already beyond 2B.

I just watched (again) a slow-motion video of the slide. Bautista's knee grazed the base as he
was landing, and as Odor began his throw on to first his right leg grazed Bautista's own right leg.

When Bautista got up, Odor shoved him first. Only then did Bautista extend an arm
to defend himself, at which point Odor threw the punch so many seem (ridiculously) to admire.

Sorry, there's no defense for Odor or the Rangers on this one. I don't care what kind of
"thug" Bautista is or isn't. You don't throw at a guy in his possible final at-bat of the
season against you over something that happened seven months ago. (If you want to send
him a message about how admirable you think his bat flip wasn't, you do it the first time
you face him---in spring training or, if you don't see him in spring training, the first regular
season game he plays against you. Even Bautista couldn't possibly have objected to that.)
 
Moreover, Bautista admitted he wanted to send the Rangers a message back about how thrilled
he wasn't to be thrown at in that circumstances. But he also said he wasn't trying to injure Odor
---and he succeeded in not doing so. He may have had intent with the late slide, but he never
left the proper basepath even in the slide itself.

My guess on discipline for the incidents:

* Odor---Eight games plus a fine. He was the no-questions-asked instigator of the brawl.

* Bautista---One or two games, since the Utley Rule probably applies, but if I was baseball's
disciplinarian I'd measure the circumstances and give him one game and a fine.

* Matt Bush, who threw the pitch that hit Bautista in the arm to open the inning---It would
depend on whether Bush acted on his own or under orders to drill Bautista. (Bush hasn't
commented about that part of it at this writing.) If he threw on his own, one game, considering
he wasn't ejected from the game and the warnings went out after he threw the pitch. The
major question: why on earth would Bush throw at Bautista when he wasn't even in the
Ranger organisation last October
? (Unless, if he threw on his own, he thought it would
ingratiate himself to his new teammates further . . .)

* Jesse Chavez---Three games. For being stupid enough to throw at Prince Fielder after
the warnings went out over the Bautista drill.

* John Gibbons---The Jays manager ran back onto the field during the big brawl even
though he'd been ejected earlier in the game. That's a big no-no. That'd get him one game
automatically, but he might get a second over the Chavez duster.

* Josh Donaldson and Kevin Pillar---They were the two most animated Jays during the brawl
itself. (Rangers third baseman Adrian Beltre wisely bear-hugged Bautista away from the
scrum as a precaution.) Accounting for their looking out for a teammate, I'd give them
a game off each.

* Dale Scott---The umpiring crew chief for the series. Should have ejected Bush post haste
when he hit Bautista; the intent was only too evident. It might have kept things from getting
out of hand from there; it might even have kept Bautista from thinking about a message
of his own on the basepaths. A formal reprimand and even a fine wouldn't be out of order;
it's his job to be sure his crew controls the field.

* DeMarlo Hale---The Jays' bench coach, and acting manager since the third inning, including
when Chavez drilled Fielder. Reds manager Bryan Price got a game off when Ross Ohlendorf
took on a relief assignment and drilled a hitter with apparent intent; Hale should get the same.

* The Rangers' Brain Trust---From manager Jeff Bannister on down, they need to answer
for Bush drilling Bautista. If one of them gave Bush the order, the guilty party should get
two days' unpaid leave.


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« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2016, 03:52:42 pm »
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-rangers-brawl-discipline-1.3585532

Rougned Odor, John Gibbons suspended for roles in Rangers-Jays brawl: reports

No official word yet from MLB

CBC Sports Posted: May 17, 2016 3:04 PM ET Last Updated: May 17, 2016 3:43 PM ET

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Texas Rangers second baseman Rougned Odor has reportedly been suspended for eight games for punching Toronto's Jose Bautista, while Blue Jays manager John Gibbons has reportedly received a three-game ban for his role in the ensuing brawl.

According to multiple reports, Odor will appeal the decision to suspend him for eight games.

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Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan reported Odor has also been fined $5,000 US.

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Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal reported that Gibbons has been suspended for three games for returning to the field during the brawl that followed Odor's punch. Gibbons had been ejected earlier in the game.

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Major League Baseball has not announced any disciplinary decisions, and there was no immediate word on whether any other Rangers or Blue Jays would be punished for their actions stemming from Sunday's brawl during a game in Texas.

The fireworks began when Texas pitcher Matt Bush beaned Bautista in the ribs, presumably as retaliation for Bautista's controversial bat flip after a key home run in the deciding game of the American League Division Series last season.

Bush plunked Bautista in the top of the eighth with Texas holding a 7-6 lead. Bautista ran to second on a groundout by Justin Smoak, with his brawl-triggering slide forcing Odor to throw wildly to first on an attempted double play. The Rangers were awarded an inning-ending double play on the so-called Chase Utley rule, which was put in place this season in an attempt to prevent dangerous slides. Bautista also ran afoul of the rule earlier this season during a game against Tampa Bay.

As Odor and Bautista argued after the slide, Odor shoved Bautista, creating enough space to wind up and catch the lunging Blue Jays right-fielder flush on the jaw with a punch. The punch caused both dugouts and bullpens to empty, with several players mixing it up near second base.


"I was pretty surprised," said Bautista, who was staggered but did not go down. "I mean, obviously, that's the only reason that he got me and he got me pretty good, so I have to give him that. It takes a little bit bigger man to knock me down."

Odor said Monday that he respects Bautista because he "plays hard."

Odor, Bautista, and Bush were are considered candidates for suspension, as was Toronto reliever Jesse Chavez, who hit Rangers hitter Prince Fielder with the first pitch after play resumed, triggering a second brawl. Blue Jays third baseman Josh Donaldson and Texas bench coach Steve Buechele were also ejected from the game after the initial fight.

Blue Jays bench coach Demarlo Hale was tossed along with Chavez because he was filling in for Gibbons after the Toronto manager was ejected earlier in the game for arguing with the home-plate umpire.

Gibbons called the Rangers' attempts to seek retribution on Bautista "gutless."
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« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2016, 04:12:56 pm »

Sorry, there's no defense for Odor [...]


Oh, I'm not defending him.  Frankly, I wonder if he could be charged with assault. 

I still stand by my previous comment -- they're both idiots.  If they were my children, they'd both be going to bed without any supper.
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« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2016, 04:17:30 pm »
No suspension or fine of Jose Bautista.

As it should be.  :tongue2:
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« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2016, 04:19:54 pm »
Why exactly was Blue Jays' manager Gibbons suspended for three games?

Was it something he said about the Rangers being "gutless"?
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« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2016, 04:26:18 pm »
Why exactly was Blue Jays' manager Gibbons suspended for three games?

Was it something he said about the Rangers being "gutless"?

He was ejected and came out of the clubhouse.  He also took the hit for Chavez chunking at Prince Fielder.

Bautista helped lose the game by taking that Utley slide.
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« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2016, 04:31:36 pm »
He was ejected and came out of the clubhouse.  He also took the hit for Chavez chunking at Prince Fielder.

I would have given him just the automatic single-game suspension for coming out after
the ejection. If anyone should have gotten a siddown-and-shaddap for Chavez drilling
Fielder, it should have been bench coach DeMarlo Hale. He was the acting manager
when the Chavez drill was thrown after the warnings were given out.

I'm surprised Bush didn't get even a fine for throwing at Bautista. But I'd still like to
know whether he did it on his own or whether someone among the Rangers' coaches
ordered the pitch.
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« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2016, 04:33:55 pm »
He was ejected and came out of the clubhouse.  He also took the hit for Chavez chunking at Prince Fielder.

Bautista helped lose the game by taking that Utley slide.

You misspelled 'shitty'.    :laugh:


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« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2016, 05:11:16 pm »
From our Did You See That Dept.---Elvis Andrus of the Rangers
got docked one game for throwing a punch. I couldn't tell in all the
replays I saw of the brawl where he even was!

Also, Josh Donaldson got a fine but no suspension. He was one of the
first two Jays out of the dugout when Bautista got punched out. I was
surprised Kevin Pillar didn't get fined---he flew out of the dugout with
Donaldson and was, according to a lot of stories about the scrum,
the most animated of the Jays' brawlers.


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« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2016, 06:46:42 pm »
Based upon Odor's salary, wondering what 8 games being docked...comes to? 
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« Reply #112 on: May 17, 2016, 08:30:22 pm »
Based upon Odor's salary, wondering what 8 games being docked...comes to?

You ever heard of tip money? ;)


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« Reply #113 on: May 17, 2016, 09:54:17 pm »
How do you follow a 20-strikeout performance?

If you're Max Scherzer, apparently you do it by getting shut out by Noah Syndergaard and the Mets:

Curtis Granderson---hits the first pitch over the fence in the bottom of the first.
Michael Conforto---hits one out with two out in the bottom of the third.
Thor---Ten punchouts in seven innings.

2-0, Mets, your final.


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« Reply #114 on: May 17, 2016, 10:03:38 pm »

Thor---Ten punchouts in seven innings.


He's fun to watch, too.

Can you believe the Braves have scored 9 runs tonight?  And they're still down by 2.  *sigh*
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« Reply #115 on: May 17, 2016, 10:23:14 pm »
He's fun to watch, too.

Just about all the Mets' starters are.

Can you believe the Braves have scored 9 runs tonight?  And they're still down by 2.  *sigh*

Does that say this year's Braves, or what?


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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2016, 09:30:00 pm »



.....Bryce Harper's recent one-game suspension.   What exactly was it for?

You cannot say he came back out on the field after getting thrown out....BECAUSE THE GAME WAS OVER when pinch-hitter Robinson's ball went over the fence.          :pondering: :pondering: :pondering:
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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2016, 10:02:48 pm »


.....Bryce Harper's recent one-game suspension.   What exactly was it for?

You cannot say he came back out on the field after getting thrown out....BECAUSE THE GAME WAS OVER when pinch-hitter Robinson's ball went over the fence.          :pondering: :pondering: :pondering:

There's a rule that you can't return to the playing field or the dugout after you've been ejected.
Plus, Harper was still P.O.ed at the ump who thumbed him and fired a few, shall we say, choice
words at said ump.


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« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2016, 10:53:36 am »
The MLBs Youngest Player Just Hit The Longest, Fat-Daddy Homer Of The Season [VIDEO].

Despite being only 20 years old, Rangers rookie Nomar Mazara is putting up veteran numbers.

“The Big Chill” — awesome nickname btw — has posted a .320 batting average and eight homers in 2016, the most recent of which was this 491-foot tater against the Angels on Wednesday, the longest yet this season.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/26/the-mlbs-youngest-player-just-hit-the-longest-fat-daddy-homer-of-the-season-video/#ixzz49m1c6O27
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« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2016, 01:39:07 pm »
It not even June and the Cubs are in a slide.   

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« Reply #120 on: May 26, 2016, 01:41:01 pm »
It not even June and the Cubs are in a slide.   

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We are getting closer to the All-Star break...  :smokin:
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« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2016, 04:56:38 pm »
We are getting closer to the All-Star break...  :smokin:

AT this rate they will be .332 by sept 15th.   :pondering:

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« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2016, 05:10:01 pm »
AT this rate they will be .332 by sept 15th.   :pondering:

The thing is....who are they losing to?  Are they sub 500 teams?   Are the league-known Aces facing them every series?

The one thing I notice with teams going into slumps...it's when everybody is/was approaching their AB like Home Run Derby.

The other night the O's and Nats  both hit something like 5 HRs each in a game and then couldn' hit sh*t for two days.
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« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2016, 05:38:40 pm »
The thing is....who are they losing to?  Are they sub 500 teams?   Are the league-known Aces facing them every series?

The one thing I notice with teams going into slumps...it's when everybody is/was approaching their AB like Home Run Derby.

The other night the O's and Nats  both hit something like 5 HRs each in a game and then couldn' hit sh*t for two days.

Good Point.  I will look into that very thing this week since we have a long weekend to enjoy the boys of summer!

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« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2016, 09:08:18 pm »
Good Point.  I will look into that very thing this week since we have a long weekend to enjoy the boys of summer!

Finally!   The NATS go up 2-1 on Harper's TITANIC shot and Espinosa's 8th.       

Who the hell is Leeks?   Why does every pitcher look like Randy, Pedro, or Roger to them?
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« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2016, 08:09:13 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2olHqB6I4c

Jayson Werth and the "DC Strangler" (Jonathan Papelbon)    ROFL!

He refers to the time Papelbon put Bryce Harper in a choke hold after Harper didn't run out a ground ball out last season.
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« Reply #126 on: June 15, 2016, 06:46:12 am »
Just how much will Nationals miss Jonathan Papelbon?

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WASHINGTON -- With closer Jonathan Papelbon hitting the disabled list for the first time in his 12-year career, the big question is, just how much will the first-place Washington Nationals miss him?

The big answer? Not as much as you might think.

The 35-year old Papelbon, who was acquired from Philly just before the trade deadline last year, clearly isn’t the dominant force he once was. He’s averaging 90.7 miles an hour with his fastball this season, down from 91.4 a year ago and way down from 94.8 back in 2011. That’s a pretty drastic dropoff, and one that helps explain why the veteran righty is a mere shadow of the back-end beast he used to be.

On the surface, Papelbon’s 16 saves (seventh in the NL) look fine and dandy. In fact, prior to hitting the DL, he was on pace for 41 saves this season, which would tie a career-high. For a guy that ranks 10th on the all-time saves list and third among active pitchers, that’s saying something. But his peripherals say something even louder -- namely, that Washington’s closer hasn’t been very good.

more at: http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-nationals/post/_/id/1300/just-how-much-will-the-nationals-miss-jonathan-papelbon
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« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2016, 11:03:41 am »
If Dusty Baker is smart, he'll think about Shawn Kelley stepping in. Baker's remark
about Kelley not having shown closer makeup with his previous four teams is a
little unfair, since Kelley never really got that much of a chance to show he had it
on a consistent bases, and like the writer says he's been lights out when he's
pitched this year.


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« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2016, 11:11:08 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2olHqB6I4c

Jayson Werth and the "DC Strangler" (Jonathan Papelbon)    ROFL!

He refers to the time Papelbon put Bryce Harper in a choke hold after Harper didn't run out a ground ball out last season.

Tough loss for the Phils.   They probably would have won if Ryan Howard had been at first, since he's bigger than Tommy Joseph and wouldn't have been pulled off the bag on Harper's 9th inning infield "hit".   

I've always liked the way Jason Werth plays ball, even after he left us to go to the Nats.   My wife once got me season tix for our anniversary,  and specified seats in right field so she'd have a good view of Werth's butt!

Pap?  I couldn't be more pleased that you guys have him now!   Right on, Freddy Galvis, who beats Pap like a drum. 
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« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2016, 12:16:53 pm »
Tough loss for the Phils.   They probably would have won if Ryan Howard had been at first, since he's bigger than Tommy Joseph and wouldn't have been pulled off the bag on Harper's 9th inning infield "hit".   

I've always liked the way Jason Werth plays ball, even after he left us to go to the Nats.   My wife once got me season tix for our anniversary,  and specified seats in right field so she'd have a good view of Werth's butt!

Pap?  I couldn't be more pleased that you guys have him now!   Right on, Freddy Galvis, who beats Pap like a drum.

Jayson Werth holds sway with the team, IMO.

Back when they clinched the  NL East under Matt Williams, I distinctly recall the clubhouse celebration with the champagne flowing...where in a live interview, Werth responded to the question of "How about the managing of 'rookie manager' Matt Williams.

Werth totally ignored the question after a painful pregnant pause, and essentially said the players won in spite of Williams.

And Williams is now out of the the Show.
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« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2016, 02:37:47 pm »
Jayson Werth holds sway with the team, IMO.

Back when they clinched the  NL East under Matt Williams, I distinctly recall the clubhouse celebration with the champagne flowing...where in a live interview, Werth responded to the question of "How about the managing of 'rookie manager' Matt Williams.

Werth totally ignored the question after a painful pregnant pause, and essentially said the players won in spite of Williams.

And Williams is now out of the the Show.

Actually, he was hired back by the Diamondbacks as a coach in the off-season.

I wrote his managerial obituary thus when he was executed last October:

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Our long Nationals nightmare is over . . . for now . . .
http://throneberryfields.com/2015/10/05/our-long-nationals-nightmare-is-over-for-now/

Before the Washington Nationals lost their final regular season game to the National League East champion Mets,
general manager Mike Rizzo promised he wasn’t going to leave people twisting in the wind. Rizzo’s words, not
mine. Maybe he thought Nats fans had been forced into doing the twist too long this season already.

Monday morning Rizzo kept his promise—and how. He executed manager Matt Williams, just a year after Williams
was named the National League’s Manager of the Year. The man who came into the season leading the prohibitive
World Series favourites leaves it with his head in a guillotine basket.

Rizzo also executed Williams’s entire coaching staff—including respected pitching coach Steve McCatty, batting
coach Rick Schu, and bench coach Randy Knorr, the man Nats players actually wanted to succeed Davey Johnson
on the bridge.

The only surprise seems to be that Williams wasn’t fired the moment the Nats’ flight back to Washington landed
after the 1-0 Sunday loss. And his managerial obituary is likeliest to be headlined, “He didn’t see the iceberg until
after it hit the Titanic.” Until after it hit, hell. Williams didn’t see the iceberg until after the damned ship sank.

The Washington Post‘s impeccable Thomas Boswell found an even more delicious analogy a week earlier, after it
came forth that Jonathan Papelbon tried to choke Bryce Harper in the dugout and Williams admitted having no
clue: “If Matt Williams had been at Ford’s Theatre in 1865, he would have loved the play. Did something go wrong?
Nope, didn’t see a thing. Nobody said anything, either.”

At the same time, another Post writer, Barry Svrluga, published a wholly damning three-part series examining just
how the Nats went from Series favourites to serious ignominy. The Nats were dogged by injuries and inconsistent
play all season long, but these Nats could have been the healthiest team in baseball and Williams would still have left
jaws on the floor and a team in shards.

The bill of particulars just involving in-game thinking or lack thereof is damning enough, from lifting a starter from
division series tying games one out from a complete game shutout to bringing in a rookie instead of three solid
veterans to lose a division series.

From refusing to use his setup man and closer in pressure situations that weren’t eighth or ninth inning assignments
to refusing to juggle his rotation to let Max Scherzer face the oncoming Mets in a series that just might have proven
to begin the Nats’ final downfall.

From bunting with a hitter who couldn’t bunt and leaving on-deck Harper at the mercy of a guaranteed walk to
sending Harper’s would-be choker Papelbon out to pitch the ninth anyway because he didn’t see the attack until
shown video postgame—then declaring Harper’s pre-scheduled off day the following day was really discipline for
his “involvement” in the previous day’s assault, which amounted to giving the victim a little blame after all.

From warming relief pitchers up repeatedly but not bringing them in one night to watching in disbelief when he
brought them in the following day and couldn’t understand why they had nothing left but fumes and would be
ignited on the mound.

Williams might have begun losing his clubhouse after last year’s division series. It might have continued when
neither Williams, his brain trust, nor the front office seemed to have a clue about managing the rehabs of the
wounded, or working the slumping out of their slumps.

But this season, factoring most of the above plus his equally maddening habit of failing to tell his players when
they’d have off days until they saw it on the day’s lineup card, Svrluga’s series exposed the disconnect once and
for all, when he cited Jayson Werth—likewise discovering his off day by seeing the lineup card and never hearing
it from the skipper—cornering Williams and demanding to know, “When exactly do you think you lost this team?”

“He’s like the guy in his house who hears a sound, like someone breaking in,” said an unnamed Nat to Svrluga.
“And his reaction isn’t to take care of the problem or investigate. It’s to put his head under the pillow and hope it
goes away.”

If that was Williams, Rizzo could be the guy in his house who puts a fire out with gasoline. Approaching the non-
waiver deadline, Rizzo had a team who needed help at the plate and in the middle relief corps. (So who told him to
trade Tyler Clippard, who’d come back to haunt him as a Met?) He had a revived closer who nailed 29 of 31 save
opportunities and a nifty 1.64 ERA as of the day before the deadline.

Allowing limited resources in the wake of landing Scherzer on a $210 million deal, Rizzo decided the way to fix
those plate and middle relief issues was to deal for . . . a closer with a reputation for on- and off-the-mound
combustibility. Pushing Storen into a setup role, misplacing veteran Casey Janssen—a former closer now suited
better to a setup role, and showing a solid 2.82 ERA before the deadline—into the seventh inning role.

Storen and Janssen were a mess from then on. For the Nats players, whom Svrluga describes as practically fainting
when the Papelbon deal was made, it felt like a betrayal considering their fondness for Storen and admiration for the
ways he’d pitched his way back from often humiliating adversity.

Then Storen came into a 9 September game against the Mets only to see Yoenis Cespedes (if there’s an award for
Most Valuable Trade Deadline Acquisition, Cespedes would probably share it with David Price this year) send his second
pitch over the left center field fence. He got the last two outs of the inning, then in abject frustration slammed his
thumb into his locker’s lock box—and couldn’t bring himself to admit it until two days later, in Florida, when he couldn’t
throw.

Broken thumb, season done. Broken team, season done. And that was before Papelbon v. Harper.

The long Nationals nightmare may be over at last. But that might be nothing compared to the one they face this winter.
Whom to succeed Williams? Should Rizzo himself face the executioner?

Whom to bring in in the event they lose Zimmermann, Ian Desmond, Denard Span, and Doug Fister (who fisted his way
out of the rotation and into the bullpen) to free agency? Can they re-balance a lineup that had only one everyday
lefthanded bat (Harper) and rarely got to look at lefthanded pitching?

Will a promising kid corps (Rivero, Ross, outfielder Michael A. Taylor, middle infielder Trea Turner) begin keeping their
promise next year? Can they rid themselves of Papelbon and his $11 million 2016? (Assuming nobody else in baseball
wants him, is there any formal rule saying you can’t trade a baseball player to the NHL or the UFC?)

And will the next Nationals manager see the icebergs before one of them the Titanic?
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« Reply #131 on: June 15, 2016, 02:46:25 pm »
Actually, he was hired back by the Diamondbacks as a coach in the off-season.

I wrote his managerial obituary thus when he was executed last October:

Okay....WHO ARE YOU?

I swear I was reading Boswell, there.

I am not worthy, @EasyAce !    :beer:
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« Reply #132 on: June 15, 2016, 08:41:42 pm »
Wow!

The NATS just won a CLASSIC for the ages....taking the rubber game vs. the CUBS in 12 innings.

Werth comes through once again, hitting the top of the RC wall, just a foot from leaving the park.   Michael A. Taylor, on 1b was running on the pitch.

So...another interview on field...audio sounding thru the park...and the jumbo tron showing Jayson Werth....

1st question....:" Jayson...this was one for the age...the back and forth...what are you feeling right now?"

Werth raises both his arms and screams "HOLY SHIT!"

The guy comes back with the mic and says....under his breath...but heard thru the park..."We can do without the cursing...."

Werth: ( even louder )    "KISS MY ASS!"


Gotta love these guys.    :laugh:
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« Reply #133 on: June 15, 2016, 11:35:06 pm »
« Last Edit: June 15, 2016, 11:37:31 pm by DCPatriot »
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« Reply #134 on: June 16, 2016, 08:47:55 am »
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/184321684/braves-freddie-freeman-hits-for-cycle

Freeman hit for the cycle last night, AND the Braves won in extra innings -- both of which are rare feats these days.
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« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2016, 10:18:30 am »
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/184321684/braves-freddie-freeman-hits-for-cycle

Freeman hit for the cycle last night, AND the Braves won in extra innings -- both of which are rare feats these days.


Not fond of the Braves and that "tomahawk cheer"...but as an Orioles' fan..I sure do feel bad for Nick Markakis.

I'm hoping they will trade him to a contender...after all the bridesmaid seasons in Baltimore.   
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« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2016, 10:33:04 am »
Not fond of the Braves and that "tomahawk cheer"...but as an Orioles' fan..I sure do feel bad for Nick Markakis.

I'm hoping they will trade him to a contender...after all the bridesmaid seasons in Baltimore.

I'm a huge Markakis fan, no matter where he ends up. 
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« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2016, 10:40:07 am »
I'm a huge Markakis fan, no matter where he ends up.

Yep...a fan's player.   Works hard..keeps his head down...involved in the community, etc..

Buck Showalter hated to see him leave.  But, you've only got so many years to make the $$$.
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« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2016, 10:43:42 am »
Not fond of the Braves and that "tomahawk cheer"...but as an Orioles' fan..I sure do feel bad for Nick Markakis.

I'm hoping they will trade him to a contender...after all the bridesmaid seasons in Baltimore.

Having grown up in Baltimore I am an O's fan but haven't been following them much since I moved to PA.  But they are having a pretty good season this year so I'm going to have to look for games on TV up here.

I'm pretty sure I saw Markakis play in 2004 when he was with the Aberdeen Ironbirds. 
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« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2016, 10:37:00 pm »
[Tyler] Wilson 3-hitter, Jones homer helps Orioles beat Red Sox 5-1 [takes 1st place in AL East]

BOSTON -- Tyler Wilson allowed three hits over eight innings, Adam Jones added a home run and three RBI, and the Baltimore Orioles beat the Boston Red Sox 5-1 on Thursday night.

The victory gives the Orioles their second series win this season over their American League East rivals.

video of great performance at link

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« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2016, 10:39:06 pm »
Having grown up in Baltimore I am an O's fan but haven't been following them much since I moved to PA.  But they are having a pretty good season this year so I'm going to have to look for games on TV up here.

I'm pretty sure I saw Markakis play in 2004 when he was with the Aberdeen Ironbirds.

It's amazing what Buck Showalter gets out of his guys.

The Yankees would give him the world to get him in their dugout.

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« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2016, 07:31:28 pm »
It's the Angels' turn to get their Freak on . . . Tim Lincecum started on Saturday:

* Threw a deadly looking changeup 38 percent of the time.
* Got ten of his outs on that pitch.
* Surrendered only one run in six and a third.
* 7-1, Angels, your final against Oakland.

If Lincecum keeps pitching like that and using that changeup the way he did today,
it could mean serious help for the Angels this year and next and a BIG load off
their pitching woes. He hadn't looked this good since his better days with the Giants.



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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2016, 11:32:00 pm »
Oh-oh....are the METS crashing even BEFORE the Dog Days of August?

...losing another one to the BRAVES.

NATS win tonight, the lead goes to 7  games.   
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« Reply #143 on: June 19, 2016, 08:48:38 am »
It's amazing what Buck Showalter gets out of his guys.

The Yankees would give him the world to get him in their dugout.


Of course the Yankees used to have uck in the dugout and showed him the door.
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« Reply #144 on: June 19, 2016, 08:53:45 am »

Of course the Yankees used to have Buck in the dugout and showed him the door.

Billy Martin, anyone?   :laugh:
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« Reply #145 on: June 23, 2016, 10:25:30 pm »




A special tip of the cap to you @Polly Ticks for showing the rest of the league that the METS are mortal.  And wounded.

Love the come from behind win tonight. 4-3.   
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« Reply #146 on: June 23, 2016, 10:35:59 pm »
Rangers up 10 games in the AL West. It's a very weak division, but Rangers have a very young, very good team.  And Manager Jeff Bannister is willing to risk playing kids like Jurickson Profar and Nomar Mazzarra, who are shining in the lineup.

Pitching's holding up so far.  Rangers right there with the Orioles in the number of players (6) who have 10 or more homers.

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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2016, 08:50:39 am »
A special tip of the cap to you @Polly Ticks for showing the rest of the league that the METS are mortal.  And wounded.

Love the come from behind win tonight. 4-3.

I got home late, but made it in time to catch all the late-inning fireworks.  Very exciting game!
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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2016, 04:04:59 pm »
Go Rangers!   :patriot:

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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2016, 04:11:01 pm »
Go Rangers!   :patriot:

Yes, we used to refer to the Rangers as "Orioles' West".  Trades on the field, but also hires from the O's organization.

Today...a lot of the former O's brass are in the Blue Jays' organization.   

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