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Trump tells progressive Democrats to go back and fix 'broken and crime infested places' they came from
The Hill, Jul 14, 2019
President Trump on Sunday lashed out at a group of progressive Democrats, saying the female lawmakers should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came" before criticizing policies in the U.S.
"So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run," Trump said in an early morning string of tweets.
"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done," he added. "These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that [Speaker] Nancy Pelosi [D-Calif.] would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
More: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/452970-trump-tells-progressive-democrats-to-go-back-and-fix-broken-and-crime
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For those Briefers and guests who won't be moved to click on the link and read the full article:
This is the headline:
Trump tells progressive Democrats to go back and fix 'broken and crime infested places' they came from
This is the tweet:
Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
So interesting to see “Progressive†Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
5:27 AM - 14 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381396994723841
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Can he say that?
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For those Briefers and guests who won't be moved to click on the link and read the full article:
Thanks for reposting the stuff you posted first. It's even funnier the second time around.
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Can he say that?
He just did.
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Telling the truth about the democommies destructive policies. Good for Trump.
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Can he say that?
He can, unless A Federal Judge tells him that he can not!
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Looks like Trump got a double dose of Adderall this morning. *bouche*
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He can, unless A Federal Judge tells him that he can not!
He's just saying what we're all thinking.
Shame on him. And us.
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Duplicitous clown. He won’t say this to DACA ‘kids,’ who he loves.
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He's just saying what we're all thinking.
Yes, go back and fix your home country before shitting all over this one.
But, read the last sentence of his tweet .... he's also stirring the pot between the AOC troops and Pelosi.
Two birds, one stone. :smokin:
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Duplicitous clown. He won’t say this to DACA ‘kids,’ who he loves.
How nice, you finally got to use "duplicitous". Good for you. :beer:
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And here we go...
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1150414765119946753
Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders
Bernie Sanders Retweeted Donald J. Trump
When I call the president a racist, this is what I'm talking about
We must stand together for justice and dignity towards all.
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/14/sotu-de-blasio-full.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/14/sotu-de-blasio-full.cnn)
De Blasio on Trump tweets: 'Make America hate again'
State of the Union
Jake Tapper interviews New York Mayor and Presidential Candidate Bill De Blasio about Trump's incendiary tweets, New York City's blackout, and the 2020 race
video at link
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Whoops...that one is from 2015.
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And here we go...
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1150414765119946753
A socialist called someone a racist?
Color me surprised.
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1150409725118472194
Justin Amash @justinamash
Justin Amash Retweeted Donald J. Trump
To tell these American citizens (most of whom were born here) to “go back†to the “crime infested places from which they came†is racist and disgusting.
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https://twitter.com/EvanMcMullin/status/1150447121243488257
Evan McMullin @EvanMcMullin
Evan McMullin Retweeted Donald J. Trump
What vile behavior for anyone let alone an American president, but worse than that, Trump knows he has the support of his base for such racism. Since 2015, he's made clear his desire for a nation defined by white race. Supporting him means supporting his efforts to make that so.
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https://twitter.com/walterowensgrpa/status/1150446916733456385
Walter(Owen's Grandp @walterowensgrpa
Just because that A-O-C was born in USA does not make her an American like the rest of us native Americans such as Trump and his family and also my self
9:48 AM - 14 Jul 2019
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https://twitter.com/walterowensgrpa/status/1150446916733456385
Twitter is no different
than any wall
on a public bathroom stall.
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A socialist called someone a racist?
Color me surprised.
Our member from Madison, is "coming out" more and more, Leftist.
Quoting Bernie the USSR boy, and de Blasio too.
Somebody is funding the hordes of migrants, to overwhelm our resources.
There is a motive. That sources, is responsible for any harm to the migrants.
Those supporters are the racists, for the wellbeing of those migrants, is secondary to their political motives.
No REAL conservative/Republican rants day-in-day out against the security of our borders and communities, to please International Socialism=democrat Socialism.
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Our member from Madison, is "coming out" more and more, Leftist.
Quoting Bernie the USSR boy, and de Blasio too.
Somebody is funding the hordes of migrants, to overwhelm our resources.
There is a motive. That sources, is responsible for any harm to the migrants.
Those supporters are the racists, for the wellbeing of those migrants, is secondary to their political motives.
No REAL conservative/Republican rants day-in-day out against the security of our borders and communities, to please International Socialism=democrat Socialism.
I'm sorry you didn't want to know what the rats were saying.
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https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1150448720950915073
Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz
MAGA: Telling immigrants to “come here legally.â€
Also MAGA: Telling legal immigrants (and native-born Americans who may look like immigrants) to “go back where you came from.â€
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The way the 'OP' is destroying any dissenting thought on her Thread, I'm reluctant to say anything.
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https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1150451198316752896
S.E. Cupp @secupp
Telling four American women of color to “go back†to their own countries is despicable. It’s a new, indefensible low for this president, whose party refuses to hold him accountable or rebuke this garbage. Cowards all.
10:05 AM - 14 Jul 2019
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Twitter is no different
than any wall
on a public bathroom stall.
Hard to disagree after Trump's current tweet storm.
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This is a perfect prologue to the video of illegals in handcuffs, surrounded by their wailing families, I'll be watch on the news tonight. Best season of Trump yet.
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Twitter is no different
than any wall
on a public bathroom stall.
@Once-Ler and @edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit.
During 2016 the Fake Deacon posted 100 times per day, against Trump, and his supporters (members of this site).
When he was finally gone, he stated his support for Hillary.
Will @nevertrumps HERE, start being honest and pick thei faves?
Isee Bernie, Amash, McMullen HERE.
No conservative hub worth attention, would tolerate that.
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How nice, you finally got to use "duplicitous". Good for you. :beer:
I’m glad you got help looking it up. :beer:
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I'm sorry you didn't want to know what the rats were saying.
What the rats are saying is right on the rip of your tongue, and apparently reflects your position too.
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I’m glad you got help looking it up. :beer:
Should have stopped when you had the chance. :laugh:
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@Once-Ler and @edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit.
Yes, because leftists are always insisting that DACA people should be deported. *****rollingeyes*****
What a fumbduck.
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@Once-Ler and @edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit.
Will @nevertrumps HERE, start being honest and pick thei faves?
Isee Bernie, Amash, McMullen HERE.
No conservative hub worth attention, would tolerate that.
If memory serves, @truth_seeker I believe we're not a conservative site, but a big tent, all opinions are welcome and equivalent hub.
I could be mistaken, but this is my recollection of the change concurrent with the change to "The Briefing Room". :shrug:
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@Once-Ler and @edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit.
During 2016 the Fake Deacon posted 100 times per day, against Trump, and his supporters (members of this site).
When he was finally gone, he stated his support for Hillary.
Will @nevertrumps HERE, start being honest and pick thei faves?
Isee Bernie, Amash, McMullen HERE.
No conservative hub worth attention, would tolerate that.
I'm reporting the fall-out from Trump's tweets. The consequences will come whether you like it or not, so buck up.
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If memory serves, @truth_seeker I believe we're not a conservative site, but a big tent, all opinions are welcome and equivalent hub.
I could be mistaken, but this is my recollection of the change concurrent with the change to "The Briefing Room". :shrug:
You are mistaken. TBR is a conservative site, but not a GOP-specific site.
Being relentlessly and unremittingly anti-Trump is not necessarily a leftist position. It may not be a very defensible position, but it is not necessarily leftist.
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I'm reporting the fall-out from Trump's tweets. The consequences will come whether you like it or not, so buck up.
You're also treading on that troll line.
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Admit it #Nevers with both RiV AND @truth_seeker on this Thread, you don't stand a chance.
Go Home, Live to fight another day. :smokin:
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The way the 'OP' is destroying any dissenting thought on her Thread, I'm reluctant to say anything.
If you're referring to me @corbe ... how do you reconcile your post with the free rein given to @Once-Ler and his clan?
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You are mistaken. TBR is a conservative site, but not a GOP-specific site.
Being relentlessly and unremittingly anti-Trump is not necessarily a leftist position. It may not be a very defensible position, but it is not necessarily leftist.
@Sanguine
goopo
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I choose to stand against progressive Democrats! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Admit it #Nevers with both RiV AND @truth_seeker on this Thread, you don't stand a chance.
Go Home, Live to fight another day.
Sometimes political adversaries unmasking their true core beliefs is a victory in and of itself. @corbe
This is one of those times. 888blackhat
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You are mistaken. TBR is a conservative site, but not a GOP-specific site.
Being relentlessly and unremittingly anti-Trump is not necessarily a leftist position. It may not be a very defensible position, but it is not necessarily leftist.
Splitting a hair here, IMHO, but thanks for clarifying. Appreciate it.
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If you're referring to me @corbe ... how do you reconcile your post with the free rein given to @Once-Ler and his clan?
I understand the @Once-Ler dislike for Trump, I don't necessarily agree with it BUT it seems compatible with TBR standards, most the time. I can't believe he's the Liberal you Trumpers paint him in, sure he trolls, so be it he's a grown Man and can take care of himself. He's still pizzed, like many of us here. @Right_in_Virginia
It's a Conservative Forum, not a GOP or Trump Forum.
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Splitting a hair here, IMHO, but thanks for clarifying. Appreciate it.
Classic 'Pretzel Logic', IMO.
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You are mistaken. TBR is a conservative site, but not a GOP-specific site.
Being relentlessly and unremittingly anti-Trump is not necessarily a leftist position. It may not be a very defensible position, but it is not necessarily leftist.
It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president.
Sinkspur, geronL, cripplecreek, Invar and others. They get to spew their venom, to create emotion, conflict, excitement.
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I understand the @Once-Ler dislike for Trump,.....
You took a personal shot at me @corbe And I asked you to explain yourself.
You haven't done so. Try again.
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Sometimes political adversaries unmasking their true core beliefs is a victory in and of itself. @corbe
This is one of those times. 888blackhat
Oh good lord!!! I've been found out as thinking Trump is unfit to be President. How did you see through my disguise?
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The TOPIC of the thread is the article that the OP so graciously brought to the forum, and the various reactions from members and the public as a whole.
NOT the forum itself, nor its members.
(Not every post, by every party, will be pleasing to all.)
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It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
Then you must leave. *look*
A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president.
Sinkspur, geronL, cripplecreek, Invar and others. They get to spew their venom, to create emotion, conflict, excitement.
None of those guys post here anymore. You're blood sugar is low. Drink some kool-aid.
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Then you must leave. *look*
None of those guys post here anymore. You're blood sugar is low. Drink some kool-aid.
Enough.
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Enough.
OK, but I don't think that is the kind of language I should be confronting on an Anti-Trump forum.
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You are mistaken. TBR is a conservative site, but not a GOP-specific site.
Being relentlessly and unremittingly anti-Trump is not necessarily a leftist position. It may not be a very defensible position, but it is not necessarily leftist.
Especially when it's coming from people far to Trump's right (as it oft times is).
Or just reasonable people who don't believe it's "necessarily" an American position to tell people to come back to where they came from, presuming they came here legally....... which I believe they did.
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The irony. Hubby worked in New York while Rudy was Mayor. He declared NYC a sanctuary city and forbid the police to ask those encountered if they were citizens. Somehow he cleaned up the city, reduced the crime rate, and made NY great again.
Oh, the irony
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You took a personal shot at me @corbe And I asked you to explain yourself.
You haven't done so. Try again.
I really didn't think I had a bad thought in my head towards you @Right_in_Virginia in my hasty reply and as far as a respectful reply right now, you're asking me to put my thinking cap on and that's a Bridge Too Far in my early inebriated state while BBQ'n.
In spite of what you may think, I do respect your contribution AND participation here, as I do most Trumpers.
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It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president.
Sinkspur, geronL, cripplecreek, Invar and others. They get to spew their venom, to create emotion, conflict, excitement.
Do you realize how untrue your post is, @truth_seeker ???
Seriously???
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The TOPIC of the thread is the article that the OP so graciously brought to the forum, and the various reactions from members and the public as a whole.
NOT the forum itself, nor its members.
(Not every post, by every party, will be pleasing to all.)
Let's try again in an hour.
Reopened, with the reminder: Not every post, by every party, will be pleasing to all.
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I love you, Long Time
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https://twitter.com/Neoavatara/status/1150416611645558787
Pradheep J. Shanker @Neoavatara
Dems: "Speaker, what are we going to do about AOC?"
Pelosi: "Don't worry"
Dems: "OMG its blowing up again! What are we going to do? This is a catastrophe!"
Pelosi: "Don't worry"
Trump: HOLD MY BEER.
Pelosi: "There it is..."
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He can, unless A Federal Judge tells him that he can not!
Good point.
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I love what Trump said.
I wish he'd repeat it over & over.
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I love what Trump said.
I wish he'd repeat it over & over.
LOL!
Personally, I think President Trump followed that hockey team coach regarding STANDING at the National Anthem:
"You either stand or you can GTFO!!"
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:2popcorn:
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Truth seeker observed (accurately):
"Once-Ler and edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit."
That's why both have been on my ignore list for sometime.
Why bother with 'em ????
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IF for just the same reason I bother with you @Fishrrman I respect you AND your opinion on most all Topics.
There's no reason for some of the bitterness and most of the Cat Fights here.
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Truth seeker observed (accurately):
"Once-Ler and edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit."
That's why both have been on my ignore list for sometime.
Why bother with 'em ????
Neither is even remotely an "anti-American leftist."
The day that being anti-Trump is equated with being anti-American and a leftist, is the day that freedom of thought is dead.
Disagreeing with you about your hero doesn't make one a troll.
But it's that kind of thinking (or lack, thereof) that damages this otherwise great forum.
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Neither is even remotely an "anti-American leftist." The day that being anti-Trump is equated with being anti-American and a leftist, is the day that freedom of thought is dead. Disagreeing with you about your hero doesn't make one a troll. But it's that kind of thinking (or lack, thereof) that damages this otherwise great forum.
As has been asked twice previously @musiclady please stay on the topic of this thread.
I, for one, would prefer not to see the topic locked again.
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On Topic:
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Yeah, Go Home!
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On Topic:
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Yeah, Go Home!
Seems a good place to review what the President actually tweeted, and why ...
Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
So interesting to see “Progressive†Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
5:27 AM - 14 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381396994723841 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381396994723841)
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I love you, Long Time
Just curious @corbe. How many Asian pics did you go through before finding one that was family appropriate?
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I'm incapable of Review @Right_in_Virginia at this point in my evening. I will certainly give you and the President the benefit of the doubt on this one. Short story Long, I could not possibly wrap my head around another Trump tweet right now, I may have understood it this mornings and all it's relevant variances, but tonight as the Sun goes down, I'm incapable of comprehending the significance.
Hopefully, I can quite responding in this Thread also.
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I'm incapable of Review @Right_in_Virginia at this point in my evening.
Good to know. But the review isn't for you alone....just a reminder what was being discussed.
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Seems a good place to review what the President actually tweeted, and why ...
Yes, I note the tweet. Some are having a field day with it.
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I thought we were discussing one-liners from Full Metal Jacket.
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Stay with us, the Bowling hallucination is coming up.
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Do you realize how untrue your post is, @truth_seeker ???
Seriously???
There are several here that are so delusional, they absolutley do not have the abilty to criticize ANYTHING about DJT's actions.
And would love nothing more than make this an orange echo chamber clone of TOS.
Thank God that isn't going to happen.
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I love what Trump said.
I wish he'd repeat it over & over.
He almost did @skeeter happy77
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
So sad to see the Democrats sticking up for people who speak so badly of our Country and who, in addition, hate Israel with a true and unbridled passion. Whenever confronted, they call their adversaries, including Nancy Pelosi, “RACIST.†Their disgusting language.....
....and the many terrible things they say about the United States must not be allowed to go unchallenged. If the Democrat Party wants to continue to condone such disgraceful behavior, then we look even more forward to seeing you at the ballot box in 2020!
5:02 PM - 14 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150556166566633472
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Reagan on violent protesters
Trump is NOT the first guy to speak out firmly.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBKDF7H4hyo#)
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Ok fellas you've had your fun
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Don't wake up Mr. Ed.
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It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president.
Sinkspur, geronL, cripplecreek, Invar and others. They get to spew their venom, to create emotion, conflict, excitement.
Um.... I hate to have to point out the effing obvious here... but....
those folks you mentioned are no longer posting here. They're GONE. So what the hell are you bitching about???
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Um.... I hate to have to point out the effing obvious here... but....
those folks you mentioned are no longer posting here. They're GONE. So what the hell are you bitching about???
Brilliant @XenaLee
Please Remind me not to argue with you, should the occasion arise.
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Um.... I hate to have to point out the effing obvious here... but....
those folks you mentioned are no longer posting here. They're GONE. So what the hell are you bitching about???
You really know how to embarass a guy don't you. :silly:
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Cripplecreek was da shizzle
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I miss all those guys.
Geron lives down the street from me (He never cuts his grass and checks his mail in the nude) but I miss @INVAR almost as much as I miss @Emjay. 8888crybaby
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You really know how to embarass a guy don't you. :silly:
Hello ? Is this mic on?
None of those guys post here anymore. You're blood sugar is low. Drink some kool-aid.
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Trump's point is very valid. With your own country on-fire with crime, rape, murder, starvation, and disease, why would you travel thousands of miles to try to fix what you perceive as "racism" in a country you have nothing to do with and no connection?
Seems natural that you would care for your own family, relatives, and neighbors FIRST, before you start trying to fix some distant country you have no grounds to worry about. Yes! My country is on-fire! So my solution is to flee thousands of miles to the richest most powerful nation on Earth, so I can make them more like the country I abandoned and escaped from.
Really? You really think that's a good idea? Amazing...
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Trump's point is very valid. With your own country on-fire with crime, rape, murder, starvation, and disease, why would you travel thousands of miles to try to fix what you perceive as "racism" in a country you have nothing to do with and no connection?
Seems natural that you would care for your own family, relatives, and neighbors FIRST, before you start trying to fix some distant country you have no grounds to worry about. Yes! My country is on-fire! So my solution is to flee thousands of miles to the richest most powerful nation on Earth, so I can make them more like the country I abandoned and escaped from.
Really? You really think that's a good idea? Amazing...
goopo
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Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them & their horrible & disgusting actions!
3:54 AM - 15 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150720283654938625
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Bill Mitchell â€Verified account @mitchellvii
59m59 minutes ago
President Trump told a bunch of whining progressives go to their corrupt home countries, fix their problems, THEN RETURN HERE AND SHOW US HOW IT'S DONE.
The media conveniently leaves out the RETURN part, which was the point of the whole tweet.
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President Trump Highlights Democrat Activist Hypocrisy – Flee to America, and Demand We Change it…
Conservative Treehouse, Jul 14, 2019
Earlier today President Trump drew attention to another uncomfortable truth. Some of the most virulent anti-American progressive lawmakers entered the United States for the opportunity and freedom within our system. However, those same politicians then decry the U.S. and demand changes to the system providing the benefit.
In essence, do not flee to the land of liberty, indulge in the benefits and then have the audacity to criticize the foundation of the nation providing the opportunity.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/14/president-trump-highlights-democrat-activist-hypocrisy-flee-to-america-and-demand-we-change-it/#more-166261
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It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
It is above all, an anti-Liberal site. When politicians support Liberalism through either action or inaction, expect them to be challenged here on it.
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Congresswomen clap back after Trump tells them to 'go back' to their home countries
by Mike Brest
| July 14, 2019 01:52 PM
Four prominent progressive congresswomen pushed back against President Trump's suggestion Sunday morning that they should "go back" to their home countries.
Trump's tweet was apparently directed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, though only Omar was born outside of the country. Her family escaped to the United States in 1992 after having fled a civil war in Somalia.
"Mr. President, As Members of Congress, the only country we swear an oath to is the United States. Which is why we are fighting to protect it from the worst, most corrupt and inept president we have ever seen," Omar tweeted. "You are stoking white nationalism bc you are angry that people like us are serving in Congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda. 'America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.' -RFK."
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congresswomen-clap-back-after-trump-tells-them-to-go-back-to-their-home-countries (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congresswomen-clap-back-after-trump-tells-them-to-go-back-to-their-home-countries)
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https://twitter.com/Neoavatara/status/1150416611645558787
Trump does not drink.
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Congresswomen clap back after Trump tells them to 'go back' to their home countries
by Mike Brest
| July 14, 2019 01:52 PM
Four prominent progressive congresswomen pushed back against President Trump's suggestion Sunday morning that they should "go back" to their home countries.
Trump's tweet was apparently directed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, though only Omar was born outside of the country. Her family escaped to the United States in 1992 after having fled a civil war in Somalia.
"Mr. President, As Members of Congress, the only country we swear an oath to is the United States. Which is why we are fighting to protect it from the worst, most corrupt and inept president we have ever seen," Omar tweeted. "You are stoking white nationalism bc you are angry that people like us are serving in Congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda. 'America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.' -RFK."
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congresswomen-clap-back-after-trump-tells-them-to-go-back-to-their-home-countries (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congresswomen-clap-back-after-trump-tells-them-to-go-back-to-their-home-countries)
The problem with Omar's response is her own past statements.
I hope he keeps trolling her - the islamic lilliputian will eventually break & let rip.
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Former GOP lawmaker: Trump's tweets have to stop
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/453040-former-gop-rep-trumps-tweets-have-to-stop
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President Trump Highlights Democrat Activist Hypocrisy – Flee to America, and Demand We Change it…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/14/president-trump-highlights-democrat-activist-hypocrisy-flee-to-america-and-demand-we-change-it/#more-166261
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Can anyone imagine any of us fleeing from the United States to go to Russia, China, Mexico, or Somalia, and immediately we start preaching to the government and the people there how horrible and awful they are, and how they should be more like the United States.
If your body was ever found, which is unlikely, it is doubtful that they would send you home or even give you a proper funeral. The first thing Liberal foreigners learn when they arrive in America is how to leverage our hard fought freedom against us. They use our freedom and tolerance which is the very thing they fled to, against us to try to destroy us with our own kindness.
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A Blunder of Epic Proportions
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/a-blunder-of-epic-proportions.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/a-blunder-of-epic-proportions.php)
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It is above all, an anti-Liberal site. When politicians support Liberalism through either action or inaction, expect them to be challenged here on it.
@Hoodat
EXACTLY.....don't know why I let it bother me when a member [long term member] continues to bash TBR.......but I do.
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@Hoodat
EXACTLY.....don't know why I let it bother me when a member [long term member] continues to bash TBR.......but I do.
Lies should always bother you. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Can anyone imagine any of us fleeing from the United States to go to Russia, China, Mexico, or Somalia, and immediately we start preaching to the government and the people there how horrible and awful they are, and how they should be more like the United States.
If your body was ever found, which is unlikely, it is doubtful that they would send you home or even give you a proper funeral. The first thing Liberal foreigners learn when they arrive in America is how to leverage our hard fought freedom against us. They use our freedom and tolerance which is the very thing they fled to, against us to try to destroy us with our own kindness.
Realize it's early yet, but ..... "Post of the day!!!" :beer:
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:shrug:
Over the years I've learned to trust Trump's strategy. I think he's firing up his supporters.
Counter-intuitively, his strategy works.
I never liked Trump's twitter behavior, but you cannot argue with his success record. Compare him to Romney who "plays it safe" and is a media kiss ass.
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Lies should always bother you. There's nothing wrong with that.
@musiclady
That particular lie is a lie told to manipulate...to get one's way. In this particular case it's easy to see what the intended effect is: Permanently ban all perceived "Never Trumpers," no words against the President are to be uttered.
Not. Gonna. Happen. This ain't Free Republic.
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Congresswomen clap back after Trump tells them to 'go back' to their home countries
by Mike Brest
| July 14, 2019 01:52 PM
Four prominent progressive congresswomen pushed back against President Trump's suggestion Sunday morning that they should "go back" to their home countries.
Trump's tweet was apparently directed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, though only Omar was born outside of the country. Her family escaped to the United States in 1992 after having fled a civil war in Somalia.
"Mr. President, As Members of Congress, the only country we swear an oath to is the United States. Which is why we are fighting to protect it from the worst, most corrupt and inept president we have ever seen," Omar tweeted. "You are stoking white nationalism bc you are angry that people like us are serving in Congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda. 'America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.' -RFK."
Crap, the "four prominent congresswomen" referred to in the above excerpt are the four horsewomen of the apocalypse. *****rollingeyes*****
I'm compelled to quote Heels up Harris and remind these four that this is a "conversation we need to have". We will not be silenced.
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Crap, the "four prominent congresswomen" referred to in the above excerpt are the four horsewomen of the apocalypse. *****rollingeyes*****
I'm compelled to quote Heels up Harris and remind these four that this is a "conversation we need to have". We will not be silenced.
Sometimes it's better to be silent than to say stuff that's stupid. The Dems were having a great time battling amongst themselves, with even the mainstream media highlighting their catfight. But now Trump steps in and tweets his garbage that prompts all the Dems to unite under the banner of decrying his "racism". Anyone think the next few news cycles are going to be about Dem infighting rather than outrage at Trump?
Trump's a fool, and I'm sick and tired of him being our fool.
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Kasich calls on Republicans to condemn 'deplorable' Trump tweets
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453077-kasich-calls-on-republicans-to-condemn-deplorable-trump-tweets
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@musiclady
That particular lie is a lie told to manipulate...to get one's way. In this particular case it's easy to see what the intended effect is: Permanently ban all perceived "Never Trumpers," no words against the President are to be uttered.
Not. Gonna. Happen. This ain't Free Republic.
And thank the Good Lord for that!!
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I don't like those women, or those supporting them.
Omar's is an anti-American, anti-Israel communist.
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Kasich calls on Republicans to condemn 'deplorable' Trump tweets
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453077-kasich-calls-on-republicans-to-condemn-deplorable-trump-tweets
OMG, Kasich actually used the word "deplorable"?
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What an idiot!
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I don't like those women, or those supporting them.
Omar's is an anti-American, anti-Israel communist.
True dat. They're in perfect harmony with the racist little shitholes that elected them.
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Kasich calls on Republicans to condemn 'deplorable' Trump tweets
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453077-kasich-calls-on-republicans-to-condemn-deplorable-trump-tweets
Kasich calling on Republicans? More like Kasich calling on RINO's and DEMS.
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Kasich calling on Republicans? More like Kasich calling on RINO's and DEMS.
I thought maybe the President's Twits were "bad," and then I saw Kasich weigh in. Hat tip to the son-of-a-Mailman. He's a good barometer.
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Kasich calls on Republicans to condemn 'deplorable' Trump tweets
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453077-kasich-calls-on-republicans-to-condemn-deplorable-trump-tweets
Kasich! :3:
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Brit Hume: Trump's 'go back' tweets 'nativist, xenophobic, counterfactual and politically stupid,' but not racist
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/453097-brit-hume-trumps-go-back-tweets-nativist-xenophobic-counterfactual-and
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Sometimes it's better to be silent than to say stuff that's stupid. The Dems were having a great time battling amongst themselves, with even the mainstream media highlighting their catfight. But now Trump steps in and tweets his garbage that prompts all the Dems to unite under the banner of decrying his "racism". Anyone think the next few news cycles are going to be about Dem infighting rather than outrage at Trump?
Trump's a fool, and I'm sick and tired of him being our fool.
Well, I'm sorry, but the true racism here is coming from the left for their utter and complete failures to do something at the border. Women and children are being repeatedly sexually assaulted on the way here and it was recently reported that 19 people have died in their attempt. Problems could greatly be alleviated if the liberal DEMS would assist with security the border and warning these people ahead of time that the journey here is not without great risk and that there is NO guarantee of asylum and ILLEGAL entry is forbidden. No they'd rather sit and make up b.s. stories about the horrendous treatment these people are receiving from the U.S.A. Which doesn't really make sense as obviously if things were so horrendous the words would have gotten back to various different countries by now and the influx would have slowed.
I am sick to death of the liberal left placing the entire blame on this President and the GOP when they sit back and do nothing but accuse instead of helping the situation. Even more sickening are those that consider themselves conservative or Republican and side with the leftists.
Yes, agreed, the President's response may have been inappropriate to a degree, but so are the accusations coming from the very people his comment was directed at. IF they truly loved this country and wanted to do what is in this country's best interest they would do everything to secure our borders and protect LEGAL citizens and do something about the crime and drug infected liberal cities!
BTW, Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu and sought asylum in 1995 and became a citizen in 2005. 14 years she's been a U.S. citizen, she's a sitting Congresswoman, but yet she has to wear the head garb of a Muslim?? Where is her allegiance to this country? DEM or REP where is here allegiance to this President? As a matter of fact that goes for ALL of the 535 members of Congress. Party or not, he IS THEIR President!
Has she been to the border?? Does she feel that ALL should be granted asylum as she was?? Sorry, I just don't see her having this country's best interest at heart.
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What @realDonaldTrump said about Democrat women in Congress is deplorable and beneath the dignity of the office," Kasich, who ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, tweeted.
"We all, including Republicans, need to speak out against these kinds of comments that do nothing more than divide us and create deep animosity — maybe even hatred," he added.
"At the base of America is a Jewish and Christian tradition that says that we must realize that we are all brothers and sisters," he tweeted in a subsequent post. "Rhetoric like the President’s works against that foundation of our country and all that we teach our children."
Can't say I see anything controversial about what Kasich says. It IS well past time for Republicans to stand up and criticize the President when it is warranted. I think this is one of those times. Consider it constructive criticism - don't tweet without thinking first. And don't step in and ruin a political narrative that is running in your favor by spouting crapola that will turn the narrative from Dem in-fighting to unity over the "racism" of your verbal diarrhea.
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IMHO there is nothing racist about what the president said and, FWIW, I agree with what he said.
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Can't say I see anything controversial about what Kasich says. It IS well past time for Republicans to stand up and criticize the President when it is warranted. I think this is one of those times. Consider it constructive criticism - don't tweet without thinking first. And don't step in and ruin a political narrative that is running in your favor by spouting crapola that will turn the narrative from Dem in-fighting to unity over the "racism" of your verbal diarrhea.
So it's ok if the leftist insult this President and/or our country, but not ok for him to fire back?? It IS well past time for the Republicans to unite and come together to support this President against the radical leftist mental midgets!
Yes, "At the base of America is a Jewish and Christian tradition that says that we must realize that we are all brothers and sisters" ... and that should also go for those Muslims who have been granted asylum, and citizenship, and especially those who are seated in the halls of Congress.
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Well, I'm sorry, but the true racism here is coming from the left for their utter and complete failures to do something at the border. Women and children are being repeatedly sexually assaulted on the way here and it was recently reported that 19 people have died in their attempt. Problems could greatly be alleviated if the liberal DEMS would assist with security the border and warning these people ahead of time that the journey here is not without great risk and that there is NO guarantee of asylum and ILLEGAL entry is forbidden. No they'd rather sit and make up b.s. stories about the horrendous treatment these people are receiving from the U.S.A. Which doesn't really make sense as obviously if things were so horrendous the words would have gotten back to various different countries by now and the influx would have slowed.
I am sick to death of the liberal left placing the entire blame on this President and the GOP when they sit back and do nothing but accuse instead of helping the situation. Even more sickening are those that consider themselves conservative or Republican and side with the leftists.
Yes, agreed, the President's response may have been inappropriate to a degree, but so are the accusations coming from the very people his comment was directed at. IF they truly loved this country and wanted to do what is in this country's best interest they would do everything to secure our borders and protect LEGAL citizens and do something about the crime and drug infected liberal cities!
BTW, Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu and sought asylum in 1995 and became a citizen in 2005. 14 years she's been a U.S. citizen, she's a sitting Congresswoman, but yet she has to wear the head garb of a Muslim?? Where is her allegiance to this country? DEM or REP where is here allegiance to this President? As a matter of fact that goes for ALL of the 535 members of Congress. Party or not, he IS THEIR President!
Has she been to the border?? Does she feel that ALL should be granted asylum as she was?? Sorry, I just don't see her having this country's best interest at heart.
@libertybele
I think it's safe to say there are folks who were sick and tired of Trump before he even ran for President. It sort of blunts declarations of same now.
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So it's ok if the leftist insult this President and/or our country, but not ok for him to fire back?? It IS well past time for the Republicans to unite and come together to support this President against the radical leftist mental midgets!
No that's not what I'm saying. The President can and should fight back, but not by shooting himself in the foot and letting the Dems get away with changing the narrative. Sometimes when your opponent is screwing up, the best thing to do is shut up and let the self-immolation continue. But Trump's now managed to get the Pelosi-vs.-the Squad stories out of the news cycle. Instead he's given the Dems, and even some Republicans, ammunition to defend those witches while branding Trump as "racist".
Yes, Trump should fight, but that doesn't mean he should fight stupid. I am sick and tired of defending stupid.
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Sometimes it's better to be silent than to say stuff that's stupid. The Dems were having a great time battling amongst themselves, with even the mainstream media highlighting their catfight. But now Trump steps in and tweets his garbage that prompts all the Dems to unite under the banner of decrying his "racism". Anyone think the next few news cycles are going to be about Dem infighting rather than outrage at Trump?
Trump's a fool, and I'm sick and tired of him being our fool.
I'd have more respect for your post if you had said you do not agree with the President's strategy … because a strategy is what this is all about. The President is holding a rally in NC on Wednesday. Between then and now this will percolate. Watch what the President says about this … and how the crowd reacts to it. The President has his finger on the pulse of the American people called "Republican" and "Independent". Strategery at its best.
And, you have the right to call the President a "fool" --- even though this actually makes *you* look foolish. A businessman who has triumphed over business reversals to become a billionaire and create an international conglomerate; --- a billionaire whose first political campaign at age 70 won him the Presidency of the United States ---is certainly no fool.
It helps to turn the page of previous republican political campaigns @Jazzhead because the President is in this to actually win it.
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IMHO there is nothing racist about what the president said and, FWIW, I agree with what he said.
Agree :beer:
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@libertybele
I think it's safe to say there are folks who were sick and tired of Trump before he even ran for President. It sort of blunts declarations of same now.
Concise, direct and to the point.
Well done.
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No that's not what I'm saying. The President can and should fight back, but not by shooting himself in the foot and letting the Dems get away with changing the narrative. Sometimes when your opponent is screwing up, the best thing to do is shut up and let the self-immolation continue. But Trump's now managed to get the Pelosi-vs.-the Squad stories out of the news cycle. Instead he's given the Dems, and even some Republicans, ammunition to defend those witches while branding Trump as "racist".
Yes, Trump should fight, but that doesn't mean he should fight stupid. I am sick and tired of defending stupid.
He's forcing the rat leadership to get behind four very unpopular representatives.
Yeah, real stupid.
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He's forcing the rat leadership to get behind four very unpopular representatives.
Yeah, real stupid.
One would almost think there's Strategery going on here....
(and thanks for the kind words!)
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:shrug:
Over the years I've learned to trust Trump's strategy. I think he's firing up his supporters.
Counter-intuitively, his strategy works.
I never liked Trump's twitter behavior, but you cannot argue with his success record. Compare him to Romney who "plays it safe" and is a media kiss ass.
I agree. He has good instincts and is not afraid to with his gut. He's also got the stomach to deal with the fallout.
I always thought the opportunity for Trump lies in can he divide the black and Latino aspirational class from the layabout, irredeemable, irresponsible, criminal-enabling, screeching excuse-makers who permeate too large a percentage of these respective groups. If anyone could do that, that would be the death knell of the Democratic coalition.
We will see. I know it makes the shrinking, aging base feel good to hear Trump speak in this manner, but I am not sure if it grows his coalition enough to carry Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan against a "woke" motivated group. Those three states all elected democratic governors and democratic senators in the 2018 midterm. That's a stinging rebuke, and a ominous harbinger, as midterms are when many on the left usually don't even show up to vote.
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He's forcing the rat leadership to get behind four very unpopular representatives.
Yeah, real stupid.
Dumb, like a fox.
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I agree. He has good instincts and is not afraid to with his gut. He's also got the stomach to deal with the fallout.
I always thought the opportunity for Trump lies in can he divide the black and Latino aspirational class from the layabout, irredeemable, irresponsible, criminal-enabling, screeching excuse-makers who permeate too large a percentage of these respective groups. If anyone could do that, that would be the death knell of the Democratic coalition.
We will see. I know it makes the shrinking, aging base feel good to hear Trump speak in this manner, but I am not sure if it grows his coalition enough to carry Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan against a "woke" motivated group. Those three states all elected democratic governors and democratic senators in the 2018 midterm. That's a stinging rebuke, and a ominous harbinger, as midterms are when many on the left usually don't even show up to vote.
The leftist media would have us believe 2018 was a harbinger, but the facts say otherwise. One, there were far more GOP seats open, thanks in part to GOPe members bailing out. Also, the numbers were pumped up by states like California with their ballot harvesting, etc. where every-single-close-race fell to the rats.
As far as the 'aging, shrinking base', according to recent polls the marxist foursome in the House seems to be widely detested by the middle of the roaders as well, so I'm not so sure your characterization is entirely accurate.
Anyway we'll see come next year.
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We will see. I know it makes the shrinking, aging base feel good to hear Trump speak in this manner, but I am not sure if it grows his coalition enough to carry Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan against a "woke" motivated group. Those three states all elected democratic governors and democratic senators in the 2018 midterm. That's a stinging rebuke, and a ominous harbinger, as midterms are when many on the left usually don't even show up to vote.
This is a sound argument. It's true the "woke" are motivated, which would be true even if a Romney had been elected, so I have to assume the plan has been to peel away the workers from the welfare recipients.
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I'd have more respect for your post if you had said you do not agree with the President's strategy … because a strategy is what this is all about. The President is holding a rally in NC on Wednesday. Between then and now this will percolate. Watch what the President says about this … and how the crowd reacts to it. The President has his finger on the pulse of the American people called "Republican" and "Independent". Strategery at its best.
And, you have the right to call the President a "fool" --- even though this actually makes *you* look foolish. A businessman who has triumphed over business reversals to become a billionaire and create an international conglomerate; --- a billionaire whose first political campaign at age 70 won him the Presidency of the United States ---is certainly no fool.
It helps to turn the page of previous republican political campaigns @Jazzhead because the President is in this to actually win it.
That may all be well (for you) and TRUE @Right_in_Virginia but can you answer me this: WTF is his BASE going, they are addicted to the Red Meat and are 'locked in'.
When does he turn the corner and try to start harvesting some 'relevant' votes like the Moderates and Independents?
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That may all be well (for you) and TRUE @Right_in_Virginia but can you answer me this: WTF is his BASE going, they are addicted to the Red Meat and are 'locked in'.
When does he turn the corner and try to start harvesting some 'relevant' votes like the Moderates and Independents?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/49475/not-typo-democrat-poll-shows-what-voters-think-ryan-saavedra (https://www.dailywire.com/news/49475/not-typo-democrat-poll-shows-what-voters-think-ryan-saavedra)
A pretty strong argument can be made that is what he is doing with his tweets.
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That may all be well (for you) and TRUE @Right_in_Virginia but can you answer me this: WTF is his BASE going,
Try again @corbe without the "F".
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Trump tells progressive Democrats to go back and fix 'broken and crime infested places' they came from
The Hill, Jul 14, 2019
President Trump on Sunday lashed out at a group of progressive Democrats, saying the female lawmakers should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came" before criticizing policies in the U.S.
"So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run," Trump said in an early morning string of tweets.
"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done," he added. "These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that [Speaker] Nancy Pelosi [D-Calif.] would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
More: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/452970-trump-tells-progressive-democrats-to-go-back-and-fix-broken-and-crime (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/452970-trump-tells-progressive-democrats-to-go-back-and-fix-broken-and-crime)
RIGHT ON! ALL TRUTH. Most of us have said that. FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRIES....don't come here & try to ruin ours, with the same baloney, that ruined YOUR COUNTRY in the first place. FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY...FIRST....then come here & complain about ours. I see nothing wrong with presidents truthful statement. Or course,,,MEDIA takes words out of context....again...too make some claim that is not true. http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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Telling the truth about the democommies destructive policies. Good for Trump.
:thumbsup: Good for president TRUMP & good for us! WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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His instincts have been good so I'm not to judge, this looks like a strategy.
Again, a poll came out that showed he had good approval, the country has gone swimmingly but perhaps, he sees a need for this.
The country is a shedload better than under Obama by far and not to offend others, maybe that much better than under Bush too.
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@Once-Ler and @edpc are using this site today, to spew their leftist anti_American vomit.
During 2016 the Fake Deacon posted 100 times per day, against Trump, and his supporters (members of this site).
When he was finally gone, he stated his support for Hillary.
Will @nevertrumps HERE, start being honest and pick thei faves?
Isee Bernie, Amash, McMullen HERE.
No conservative hub worth attention, would tolerate that.
6666kiss. CLAP, CLAP, CLAP! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
“We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of Communists, they hate Israel, they hate our own Country, they’re calling the guards along our Border (the Border Patrol Agents) Concentration Camp Guards, they accuse people who support Israel as doing it for the Benjamin’s,....
....they are Anti-Semitic, they are Anti-America, we don’t need to know anything about them personally, talk about their policies. I think they are American citizens who are duly elected that are running on an agenda that is disgusting, that the American people will reject...…
....What does it mean for America to have free Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants, no criminalization of coming into our Country - See how that works for controlling Immigration! They talk about Israel like they’re a bunch of thugs, not victims of the entire region. They wanted...
.....to impeach President Trump on DAY ONE. Make them the face of the future of the Democrat Party, you will destroy the Democrat Party. Their policies will destroy our Country!†@LindseyGrahamSC Need I say more?
6:58 AM - 15 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150766498459394049
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And yet this site allows you, @LegalAmerican and @truth_seeker to slander the very principles endowed here, Go Figure.
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It is above all, an anti-Trump site.
A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president.
Sinkspur, geronL, cripplecreek, Invar and others. They get to spew their venom, to create emotion, conflict, excitement.
Bingo! I love you truthseeker. :thumbsup:
"A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president."=truthseeker
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His instincts have been good so I'm not to judge, this looks like a strategy.
Again, a poll came out that showed he had good approval, the country has gone swimmingly but perhaps, he sees a need for this.
This is the poll of Republicans:
Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
94% Approval Rating in the Republican Party, an all time high. Ronald Reagan was 87%. Thank you!
2:21 PM - 13 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150153250806685697
I'm trying to find up-to-date information on "independents". When I do, I'll post the info here.
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Bingo! I love you truthseeker. :thumbsup:
"A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president."=truthseeker
You're really starting to pizz me off @LegalAmerican
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This is the poll of Republicans:
I'm trying to find up-to-date information on "independents". When I do, I'll post the info here.
Ridiculous fake poll. We all know everyone hates Donald Trump—including most republicans, school kids and puppies. /sarcasm
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Trump's point is very valid. With your own country on-fire with crime, rape, murder, starvation, and disease, why would you travel thousands of miles to try to fix what you perceive as "racism" in a country you have nothing to do with and no connection?
Seems natural that you would care for your own family, relatives, and neighbors FIRST, before you start trying to fix some distant country you have no grounds to worry about. Yes! My country is on-fire! So my solution is to flee thousands of miles to the richest most powerful nation on Earth, so I can make them more like the country I abandoned and escaped from.
Really? You really think that's a good idea? Amazing...
CLAP, CLAP, CLAP! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :thumbsup:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc&t=793s#)
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Keep the faith @LegalAmerican, screw corbe. I didn't think it was possible for him to get more ornery, I was wrong.
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Keep the faith @LegalAmerican, screw corbe. I didn't think it was possible for him to get more ornery, I was wrong.
I have him on IGNORE...but thank you for the support. 6666kiss
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Bingo! I love you truthseeker. :thumbsup:
"A stream of kooks get to cme here and insult people that support the elected president."=truthseeker
So...you count yourself among the list of people who think TBR is a Never Trumper kook site? Are you aware TBR is not supposed to be a Trump support forum? We welcome conservatives who are any side of the Trump War, yourself included. So is @corbe.
@LegalAmerican
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Keep the faith @LegalAmerican, screw corbe. I didn't think it was possible for him to get more ornery, I was wrong.
@MoMo @LegalAmerican If my skin was as THIN as you two's I would feel extremely violated and report this post. Instead, I'll just tell you both to go 888mouth
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Trump's point is very valid. With your own country on-fire with crime, rape, murder, starvation, and disease, why would you travel thousands of miles to try to fix what you perceive as "racism" in a country you have nothing to do with and no connection?
Seems natural that you would care for your own family, relatives, and neighbors FIRST, before you start trying to fix some distant country you have no grounds to worry about. Yes! My country is on-fire! So my solution is to flee thousands of miles to the richest most powerful nation on Earth, so I can make them more like the country I abandoned and escaped from.
Really? You really think that's a good idea? Amazing...
Excellent & THAT is what is so galling......I call that , some form of mental illness. Bash the country, that is HELPING..YOU.
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@MoMo @LegalAmerican If my skin was as THIN as you two's I would feel extremely violated and report this post. Instead, I'll just tell you both to go 888mouth
I think Tump delusion is a mental illness. How else could anyone defend so many abhorrent behaviors?
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Trump does not drink.
He is very wholesome compared to most N.T.'S on here, virtue signaling. They had no problems with Kennedy's, Clintons, Obama's? JFK..all Kennedys were horn dogs. My post below. I can't keep creating the wheel of truth for people on here.
Not anything against you RUSTY NAIL...MY GENERAL POST BELOW. If some on here feel convicted, not on ME. :patriot:
You LEFTS ARE ALWAYS Goofy. DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame. You have some issues with people married more than once? Better to stay married & be a-holes to each other? Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY. Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'Brien. Bill has 15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers. BUT..Bill & Hillary still together. Obama..married to trannie. https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC? Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.
My president does NOT drink any alcohol, ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink coffee. You want to impugn him? Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated. Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny.
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I couldn't sleep with him unless I was very drunk. /JS
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Perhaps if Trump stopped running deficits bigger than Obama, he would get more Conservative support here.
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@musiclady
That particular lie is a lie told to manipulate...to get one's way. In this particular case it's easy to see what the intended effect is: Permanently ban all perceived "Never Trumpers," no words against the President are to be uttered.
Not. Gonna. Happen. This ain't Free Republic.
I have no problem with comments against president TRUMP...if...they are true. Don't lie to me about him. All this stupid "grab em'. That is what some WOMEN allow. ALL ON THE WOMEN who allow that, to gain some favor with wealthy men.
People should be more upset with that SECRETLY RECORDED, EGGED ON LOCKER ROOM TALK. I thought it was illegal to do that? But I understand, N.T. 's have issue's KNOWING...RIGHT FROM WRONG. LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. Zing! Oh, you all don't like hearing any truth. You won't listen to it. Why not? WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU. (https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU.) http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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Briefers in general don't mind Truth, that's why we're here. Your version, however, is a whole nother story. @LegalAmerican
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He's forcing the rat leadership to get behind four very unpopular representatives.
Yeah, real stupid.
The truth is that the comments from those four, especially some of Omar's, should have generated a lot more blowback than they did among most Americans. The reason they didn't generate that much blowback is because the mass media generally buried/underreported those comments, and certainly doesn't want to draw attention to them.
So...Trump decided to change that, and I'm glad he did. Those comments deserve much more attention and condemnation than they go the first time around.
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:shrug:
Over the years I've learned to trust Trump's strategy. I think he's firing up his supporters.
Counter-intuitively, his strategy works.
I never liked Trump's twitter behavior, but you cannot argue with his success record. Compare him to Romney who "plays it safe" and is a media kiss ass.
Nothing WRONG with his twitter behavior. Just one way to get the real truth, OUT THERE. Against all left, media propaganda. That you don't like it, means you allowed, LEFT MEDIA TO GET TO YOU. They don't like TRUTH...either. They are against him using twitter, to get his true words out. You fell for that ploy. https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg
That is what I see. Do you not like, posting on here? Posting YOUR IDEAS & 'TRUTH"...why not for the president?
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Brit Hume: Trump's 'go back' tweets 'nativist, xenophobic, counterfactual and politically stupid,' but not racist
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/453097-brit-hume-trumps-go-back-tweets-nativist-xenophobic-counterfactual-and
Telling the hard facts, is NONE OF THAT! WHERE ARE THE PRO-AMERICANS? "FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY BEFORE COMPLAINING ABOUT OURS". "Go back & fix your own country". Beautifully & perfectly said by my president.
I think there is something in vaccines or our water, that people can't see how others are destroying our America.
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Can't say I see anything controversial about what Kasich says. It IS well past time for Republicans to stand up and criticize the President when it is warranted. I think this is one of those times. Consider it constructive criticism - don't tweet without thinking first. And don't step in and ruin a political narrative that is running in your favor by spouting crapola that will turn the narrative from Dem in-fighting to unity over the "racism" of your verbal diarrhea.
WRONG! Do none of you get these are ANTI-AMERICANS...IN OUR MIDST? The things THEY say is what prompts my president to respond to 'crazy'. Why is 'crazy" let off the hook for what they say...but my president is blamed for not liking those crazy comments from ANTI-AMERICANS. TWO MUSLIMS..who hate America & Israel, One hispanic socialist, who wants to tax you 95%...AOC...more crazy in DEMS SIDE. And to want fault president TRUMP for telling the truth???
I ask again...'WHERE ARE THE PRO AMERICANS"? Are you all brain washed? https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg
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How do you reconcile @LegalAmerican that all but 1 of his 4 targets here were actually born in the US?
Hyperbole much? He could eat cat $hit out of the litter box and you'd say 'Good Dog', you're hopeless.
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Kasich! :3:
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Where are the patriots? Pro Americans? :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Where are the patriots? Pro Americans? :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
We're over here @LegalAmerican http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index) and wondering where you're at.
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We're over here @LegalAmerican http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index) and wondering where you're at.
@corbe
Well played sir, well played
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So it's ok if the leftist insult this President and/or our country, but not ok for him to fire back?? It IS well past time for the Republicans to unite and come together to support this President against the radical leftist mental midgets!
Yes, "At the base of America is a Jewish and Christian tradition that says that we must realize that we are all brothers and sisters" ... and that should also go for those Muslims who have been granted asylum, and citizenship, and especially those who are seated in the halls of Congress.
clap, clap, clap. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: I love to see, CLEAR THINKING. ^ 5!
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How do you reconcile @LegalAmerican that all but 1 of his 4 targets here were actually born in the US?
I'd say he was tricked by their behaviors, which show a greater love for other countries and for peoples outside the U.S. than for their fellow Americans.
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From earlier today @skeeter @LegalAmerican @DCPatriot @mystery-ak
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Well, I'm sorry, but the true racism here is coming from the left for their utter and complete failures to do something at the border. Women and children are being repeatedly sexually assaulted on the way here and it was recently reported that 19 people have died in their attempt. Problems could greatly be alleviated if the liberal DEMS would assist with security the border and warning these people ahead of time that the journey here is not without great risk and that there is NO guarantee of asylum and ILLEGAL entry is forbidden. No they'd rather sit and make up b.s. stories about the horrendous treatment these people are receiving from the U.S.A. Which doesn't really make sense as obviously if things were so horrendous the words would have gotten back to various different countries by now and the influx would have slowed.
I am sick to death of the liberal left placing the entire blame on this President and the GOP when they sit back and do nothing but accuse instead of helping the situation. Even more sickening are those that consider themselves conservative or Republican and side with the leftists.
Yes, agreed, the President's response may have been inappropriate to a degree, but so are the accusations coming from the very people his comment was directed at. IF they truly loved this country and wanted to do what is in this country's best interest they would do everything to secure our borders and protect LEGAL citizens and do something about the crime and drug infected liberal cities!
BTW, Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu and sought asylum in 1995 and became a citizen in 2005. 14 years she's been a U.S. citizen, she's a sitting Congresswoman, but yet she has to wear the head garb of a Muslim?? Where is her allegiance to this country? DEM or REP where is here allegiance to this President? As a matter of fact that goes for ALL of the 535 members of Congress. Party or not, he IS THEIR President!
Has she been to the border?? Does she feel that ALL should be granted asylum as she was?? Sorry, I just don't see her having this country's best interest at heart.
.............Their oath is to ISLAM....not America. :thumbsup:
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Sometimes it's better to be silent than to say stuff that's stupid. The Dems were having a great time battling amongst themselves, with even the mainstream media highlighting their catfight. But now Trump steps in and tweets his garbage that prompts all the Dems to unite under the banner of decrying his "racism". Anyone think the next few news cycles are going to be about Dem infighting rather than outrage at Trump?
Trump's a fool, and I'm sick and tired of him being our fool.
President TRUMP. said NOTHING foolish. He said the truth. We Americans, wonder the same thing. I say you are foolish for NOT SUPPORTING OUR PRESIDENT. You think YOU are smarter? When you campaign & become president, you can do things...'better'. Like, talk to KIM JUNG UN. STEP INTO North Korea. GET HOSTAGES RELEASED. Are you a male?
That male ego of one-up-man-ship is showing. You are NOT smarter than President TRUMP. More like jealousy.
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Can't say I see anything controversial about what Kasich says. It IS well past time for Republicans to stand up and criticize the President when it is warranted. I think this is one of those times. Consider it constructive criticism - don't tweet without thinking first. And don't step in and ruin a political narrative that is running in your favor by spouting crapola that will turn the narrative from Dem in-fighting to unity over the "racism" of your verbal diarrhea.
If YOU can't see what is wrong with Kasich, then you are lost. You spout verbal diarrhea ...on here! Run for president, as you seem to have all the answers! www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com) YOU..are against...TRUTH.
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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@libertybele
I think it's safe to say there are folks who were sick and tired of Trump before he even ran for President. It sort of blunts declarations of same now.
No...they all loved him...till he ran for president under republican handle. He is actually a CENTRIST. It has to do with a lot of male jealousy! One, just posted on here about his TROPHY WIVES. The ONES'..MOST OF YOU MALES CAN'T GET!
So much male ego...is astounding to me. :yowsa: 333cleo
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No...they all loved him...till he ran for president under republican handle. He is actually a CENTRIST. It has to do with a lot of male jealousy! One, just posted on here about his TROPHY WIVES. The ONES'..MOST OF YOU MALES CAN'T GET!
So much male ego...is astounding to me. :yowsa: 333cleo
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You smell it too, don't you @LegalAmerican oftentimes this place reeks with testosterone.
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No...they all loved him...till he ran for president under republican handle.
No,I never loved him. Hell, I hardly even knew of his existence.
He is actually a CENTRIST.
He is actually a NYC liberal.
It has to do with a lot of male jealousy! One, just posted on here about his TROPHY WIVES. The ONES'..MOST OF YOU MALES CAN'T GET!
You've got a weird idea of what men want. Who the hell would want that plastic barbie doll kind?
Sure as hell not me. Cost too much, whine all the time, and can't kill a chicken.
Totally off base.
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That may all be well (for you) and TRUE @Right_in_Virginia but can you answer me this: WTF is his BASE going, they are addicted to the Red Meat and are 'locked in'.
When does he turn the corner and try to start harvesting some 'relevant' votes like the Moderates and Independents?
President TRUMP is a CENTRIST. What would you like from him to harvest your vote? PROSPERITY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? TRYING TO KEEP US SAFE..ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? SAVING AMERICA OR FLAG & TRADITIONS..ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH?
STOPPING WW3. ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? FOLLOWING CONSTITUTION TO THE 'TEE' ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH?
WHAT DO YOU ..NEED? WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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President TRUMP is a CENTRIST.
Trump is a liberal. A big money spending, central government loving NYC liberal.
What would you like from him to harvest your vote? PROSPERITY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? TRYING TO KEEP US SAFE..ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? SAVING AMERICA OR FLAG & TRADITIONS..ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH?
STOPPING WW3. ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH? FOLLOWING CONSTITUTION TO THE 'TEE' ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH?
None of that is principled Conservatism, so no, not good enough.
Not to mention that most of that statement is bullcrap. You know, like that magapill site you spew everywhere.
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The leftist media would have us believe 2018 was a harbinger, but the facts say otherwise. One, there were far more GOP seats open, thanks in part to GOPe members bailing out.
And why did so many of them bail? Happenstance? They saw the writing on the wall.
Also, the numbers were pumped up by states like California with their ballot harvesting, etc. where every-single-close-race fell to the rats.
Okay, but what does that have to do with Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania?
As far as the 'aging, shrinking base', according to recent polls the marxist foursome in the House seems to be widely detested by the middle of the roaders as well, so I'm not so sure your characterization is entirely accurate.
Anyway we'll see come next year.
I just don't see how 4 (out of 435) inconsequential freshmen congresswomen comes close to having the impact at the voting booth that the magnetic, omnipresent Commander-in-Chief does (even as Trump adroitly tries to make them the face of the Dems), but we'll see.
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‘Racist and xenophobic.’ Texas Republicans rebuke Trump for tweets aimed at congresswomen of color
Houston Chronicle by Sami Sparber July 15, 2019
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Racist-and-xenophobic-Texas-Republicans-14096688.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Racist-and-xenophobic-Texas-Republicans-14096688.php)
Three Texas Republicans in Congress have joined Democrats in condemning President Donald Trump for a series of tweets in which he said four Democratic congresswomen of color should “go back†to their own countries.
While most GOP officials have remained largely silent about the matter, U.S. Reps. Chip Roy of Austin, Will Hurd of San Antonio and Pete Olson of Sugar Land broke ranks to criticize Trump’s remarks, which were widely seen as racist.
Freshman Rep. Chip Roy was among the first congressional Republicans to break the silence when he tweeted Sunday that “POTUS was wrong to say any American citizen, whether in Congress or not, has any ‘home’ besides the U.S.â€
At the same time, Roy doubled down on his belief that “non-citizens who abuse our immigration laws should be sent home immediately,†and added that elected officials who “refuse to defend America should be sent home†in the upcoming elections.
More at link.
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You smell it too, don't you @LegalAmerican oftentimes this place reeks with testosterone.
Depends.
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I think Tump delusion is a mental illness. How else could anyone defend so many abhorrent behaviors?
More than anything, that is what I want to know.
When they were flailing their chests about Billy Jeff's disgusting behavior, I was duped into believing that they gave a damn about shame, morality, and character.
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Perhaps if Trump stopped running deficits bigger than Obama, he would get more Conservative support here.
Sorry, lame & not totally correct. Do you understand a WORK IN PROGRESS? TRADE DEALS WITH CANADA, MEXICO, CHINA, JAPAN ? It takes a while for our country, to turn around. DEMON-RATS STOP ALL PRESIDENTS GOOD DEALS. They have to be voted on in CONGRESS. Your issue is with DEMON-RATS, not my president. All the ILLEGALS at the border who are invading us, is directly on DEMON-RATS. They won't change bad laws put in by JFK...he gave ILLEGALS..WELFARE. Then the Celler/Hart act 1965, that JFK wanted, put into law by LBJ & Teddy. These laws are now destroying America. Each year, each year, from immigration site, ILLEGALS cost us $746.3 billion dollars, dealing with them! Billions lost each year with bad trade deals from past presidents. Our expense right now, dealing with ILLEGAL INVADERS PROVIDING them with attorneys, judges, FOOD, CLOTHES, FREE MEDICAL, SHELTER is staggering. ALL ON DEMON-RATS...WHO DON'T WANT TO SECURE OUR BORDER. WHO'S SIDE ARE THEY ON? NOT AMERICA'S!
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Sorry, lame & not totally correct. Do you understand a WORK IN PROGRESS? TRADE DEALS WITH CANADA, MEXICO, CHINA, JAPAN ? It takes a while for our country, to turn around. DEMON-RATS STOP ALL PRESIDENTS GOOD DEALS. They have to be voted on in CONGRESS. Your issue is with DEMON-RATS, not my president. All the ILLEGALS at the border who are invading us, is directly on DEMON-RATS. They won't change bad laws put in by JFK...he gave ILLEGALS..WELFARE. Then the Celler/Hart act 1965, that JFK wanted, put into law by LBJ & Teddy. These laws are now destroying America. Each year, each year, from immigration site, ILLEGALS cost us $746.3 billion dollars, dealing with them! Billions lost each year with bad trade deals from past presidents. Our expense right now, dealing with ILLEGAL INVADERS PROVIDING them with attorneys, judges, FOOD, CLOTHES, FREE MEDICAL, SHELTER is staggering. ALL ON DEMON-RATS...WHO DON'T WANT TO SECURE OUR BORDER. WHO'S SIDE ARE THEY ON? NOT AMERICA'S!
STOP WITH THE ALL-CAPS!!!!
God put a shift key on your keyboard. Use it sparingly.
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Damn, @Bill Cipher she's a woman you have to allow for yelling time to time.
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The truth is that the comments from those four, especially some of Omar's, should have generated a lot more blowback than they did among most Americans. The reason they didn't generate that much blowback is because the mass media generally buried/underreported those comments, and certainly doesn't want to draw attention to them.
So...Trump decided to change that, and I'm glad he did. Those comments deserve much more attention and condemnation than they go the first time around.
CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
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Damn, @Bill Cipher she's a woman you have to allow for yelling time to time.
“Time to time†must mean something significantly less than “every damned postâ€.
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STOP WITH THE ALL-CAPS!!!!
God put a shift key on your keyboard. Use it sparingly.
LOL!! Look!! A squirrel!!!
Is that all you've got? /S
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More than anything, that is what I want to know.
When they were flailing their chests about Billy Jeff's disgusting behavior, I was duped into believing that they gave a damn about shame, morality, and character.
Stunning, isn't it? And indefensible.
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LOL!! Look!! A squirrel!!!
Is that all you've got? /S
That’ll do, donkey, that’ll do.
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We're over here @LegalAmerican http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index) and wondering where you're at.
Ha Ha....I highly doubt that. I don't see RATIONAL thinking from most of you! Your ego's keep getting caught in your zipper! :patriot:
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg) WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
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CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
You would think wrong, again, @LegalAmerican I'm quite sure no one here depends on any broadcast network for their fill of the crap we experience on a daily basis.
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CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
Blanket false accusation of the majority of Briefers.
STOP doing that, LA.
If I were a betting woman, I'd say that not one single person on this forum relies, or probably has ever relied on CNN for news.
Please stop lying about us.
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We're over here @LegalAmerican http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index) and wondering where you're at.
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How do you reconcile @LegalAmerican that all but 1 of his 4 targets here were actually born in the US?
Hyperbole much? He could eat cat $hit out of the litter box and you'd say 'Good Dog', you're hopeless.
I say, that does not mean anything...since they have not assimilated into being American. I am American & support my president. ( With good reason) I am a citizen. I was not born here. Came here legally & pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG ....
If people can't do that, being born here, MEANS NOTHING. SQUAT. ANTI-AMERICANS. They are NOT AMERICANS.
They are governed by their old heritage. MUSLIMS. ANTI-AMERICANS. Your jealousy of president TRUMP is off the charts.
No trophy wife for you. No beautiful kids for you, no wealth for you, & no presidency...for YOU! STOP THE HATE ALREADY.
TDS. So many, are jealous of him, for a long time now. He is showing people how INEPT they really are, and people don't like that. WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP. 22222frying pan
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I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site.
Lying sack of crap.
Oh... CNN I mean...
Yeah... CNN.
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CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
You are on thin ice with the Membership, @LegalAmerican. If I were you, I'd get a ladder before continuing down the path of accusing other Briefers of things like that. So far I've heard you call the good people of TBR Leftists and followers of enemy press, and demand consumption of a MAGA pill.
TBR is filled with good Members who have had people pushing pills at them their whole lives and are quite immune to what you are selling.
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@Hoodat EXACTLY.....don't know why I let it bother me when a member [long term member] continues to bash TBR.......but I do.
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
Members who are living in Trump's skin no matter what he does, can go to TOS; the owner there needs their money and no one is allowed to question the presidency of Trump.
Just because a person wins the presidency, does not mean he/she is qualified for that job, nor does it mean the person is mentally healthy. If a murderer was elected president, should that person be lauded and praised just because he/she won the election? Not being allowed to question the behavior of presidents/heads of countries, praising them no matter what they do, can and does and has, lead to these men:
1. Adolf Hitler
2. Fidel Castro
3. Idi Amin Dada (My personal favorite as he made himself "President for Life".)
4. Mobutu Sese Seko - President of Republic of Congo
5. Benito Mussolini
6. Mao Zedong - He was the founding father of People’s Republic of China
7. Francisco Franco - ruled Spain as a dictator
8. François Duvalier - He ruled Haiti as a dictator, titled as President for Life.
9. Rafael Trujillo - He was nicknamed as El Jefe, meaning the chief. Trujillo ruled as the dictator of the Dominican Republic from 1930 until his assassination in 1961.
10. Ferdinand Marcos, Sr. He was the President of the Philippines from 1965 to 1986. His rule is characterized by the violation of human rights, political repression, and large scale corruption.
The list goes on and will continue to grow if people are not allowed free speech to question/study their president. I will use my free speech to study and publish information/facts about this president. This forum owned by @mystery-ak allows all of us to speak. As Trump has said, "If you don't like it here, go back to where you were before now."
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I say, that does not mean anything...since they have not assimilated into being American. I am American & support my president. ( With good reason) I am a citizen. I was not born here. Came here legally & pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG ....
If people can't do that, being born here, MEANS NOTHING. SQUAT. ANTI-AMERICANS. They are NOT AMERICANS.
They are governed by their old heritage. MUSLIMS. ANTI-AMERICANS. Your jealousy of president TRUMP is off the charts.
No trophy wife for you. No beautiful kids for you, no wealth for you, & no presidency...for YOU! STOP THE HATE ALREADY.
TDS. So many, are jealous of him, for a long time now. He is showing people how INEPT they really are, and people don't like that. WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP. 22222frying pan
So, in other words, unless one swears fealty to Trump, one is not a real American. Gotcha.
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Your jealousy of president TRUMP is off the charts.
No trophy wife for you. No beautiful kids for you, no wealth for you, & no presidency...for YOU!
@corbe
She's nailed you down, man, you're just jealous.
:rolling:
Some where, there is this Talking Heads song playing............
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Ha Ha....I highly doubt that. I don't see RATIONAL thinking from most of you! Your ego's keep getting caught in your zipper! :patriot:
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg) WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
@LegalAmerican
Hopefully you’ll take me off of ignore longer enough to read this.
On your last statement, I think you see RIGHT THROUGH our faults perfectly! It’s amazing how well you see things! But @corbe has given you some AMAZING, ASTOUNDING advice here. We knuckle draggers ARE REALLY NOT WORTH all your efforts. You really should take a few minutes and go look at http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index). Those ASTONISHINGLY ENLIGHTENED folks over there will UNDOUBTEDLY treat you like ROYALTY!
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Her and @MoMo don't like me, it keeps me up at night wondering why. :shrug:
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From earlier today @skeeter @LegalAmerican @DCPatriot @mystery-ak
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Beautiful..listening...right now! Why don't others...SEE...the truth? 888high58888. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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You are on thin ice with the Membership, @LegalAmerican. If I were you, I'd get a ladder before continuing down the path of accusing other Briefers of things like that. So far I've heard you call the good people of TBR Leftists and followers of enemy press, and demand consumption of a MAGA pill.
TBR is filled with good Members who have had people pushing pills at them their whole lives and are quite immune to what you are selling.
I did NOT call out anyone! If you feel convicted, that is on you. NOT ONE NAME WAS POSTED. But you call me out.
My post below: not to you. And your threatening post to me, ABOVE. I posted to Maj Bill. I said correct. No issue with him?
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Quote from: LegalAmerican on Today at 05:48:23 PM
CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on Today at 04:32:29 PM
The truth is that the comments from those four, especially some of Omar's, should have generated a lot more blowback than they did among most Americans. The reason they didn't generate that much blowback is because the mass media generally buried/underreported those comments, and certainly doesn't want to draw attention to them.
So...Trump decided to change that, and I'm glad he did. Those comments deserve much more attention and condemnation than they go the first time around.
L.A.; to Maj Bill.
CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
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Quoting you in hopes she doesn't also have an Administrator on Ignore....
@LegalAmerican
Hopefully you’ll take me off of ignore longer enough to read this.
On your last statement, I think you see RIGHT THROUGH our faults perfectly! It’s amazing how well you see things! But @corbe has given you some AMAZING, ASTOUNDING advice here. We knuckle draggers ARE REALLY NOT WORTH all your efforts. You really should take a few minutes and go look at http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index). Those ASTONISHINGLY ENLIGHTENED folks over there will UNDOUBTEDLY treat you like ROYALTY!
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Beautiful..listening...right now! Why don't others...SEE...the truth? 888high58888. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Just cause we're Patriotic Americans that don't watch CNN doesn't mean we can afford another loan for glasses.
(http://interiorator.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/orange-sunglasses.jpg)
@LegalAmerican
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I did NOT call out anyone! If you feel convicted, that is on you. NOT ONE NAME WAS POSTED. But you call me out.
My post below: not to you. And your threatening post to me, ABOVE.
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Quote from: LegalAmerican on Today at 05:48:23 PM
CORRECT. I think most on here still rely on CNN as their News site. I have no TV. My thoughts & beliefs are my own, having lived...STARVING SOCIALISM. ^ 5! :patriot:
Hahaha. Well that’s about as spineless a backpedal as I’ve ever seen.
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Sorry, lame & not totally correct. Do you understand a WORK IN PROGRESS? TRADE DEALS WITH CANADA, MEXICO, CHINA, JAPAN ? It takes a while for our country, to turn around.
None of this has a thing to do with the government printing up new money at the rate of $2 trillion per year and spending it. Obama monetary policy on steroids.
Your issue is with DEMON-RATS, not my president.
My issue is with Democrats, Republicans, AND your President - none of which are acting Conservative. And unlike you, I refuse to make excuses for our President expanding liberal policy.
All the ILLEGALS at the border who are invading us, is directly on DEMON-RATS.
Releasing captured illegals into US society is directly on President Trump.
They won't change bad laws put in by JFK...he gave ILLEGALS..WELFARE.
Trump won't enforce the laws we already have. For example, it is a felony to re-enter the US after being deported, punishable by two years in prison. When did Trump ever prosecute such a case?
As for JFK, his Administration pre-dates "WELFARE". Only a complete fool would make such a claim.
Then the Celler/Hart act 1965, that JFK wanted, put into law by LBJ & Teddy. These laws are now destroying America. Each year, each year, from immigration site, ILLEGALS cost us $746.3 billion dollars, dealing with them!
I hate to break it to you, but by law, illegals are not eligible for federal aid, federal education assistance, etc. The fact that Trump still sends money to States that violate these laws shows that Trump is complicit in enacting liberal policy on borrowed money and driving up the debt.
ALL ON DEMON-RATS...WHO DON'T WANT TO SECURE OUR BORDER. WHO'S SIDE ARE THEY ON? NOT AMERICA'S!
I am on the side of the one candidate who promised to stop giving free stuff to illegals, to deport anyone and everyone here illegally and permanently ban their return, and to secure our border. Contrast that with your candidate who campaigned on touchback amnesty, and who has done nothing to secure our border since taking office.
For once, it would be nice to get you Trump sycophants on board to persuade the President to be the Conservative we all want. Instead, you make excuses for every single one of his liberal excesses while bashing Conservatives like me for expecting real Conservative leadership. <Personal insult removed.>
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This Thread is Useless without @GrouchoTex Music:
Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime (Official Video)
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This Thread is Useless without @GrouchoTex Music:
Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime (Official Video)
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@corbe
Thanks!
That's the song I was thinking of.
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What was this thread about anyway?
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What was this thread about anyway?
President Trump telling Congress people to get the h3ll out of my Country, I think @Sanguine but I'm often wrong.
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President Trump telling Congress people to get the h3ll out of my Country, I think @Sanguine but I'm often wrong.
I was actually OK with this until one of his sycophants showed up making excuses for Trump being a liberal wus.
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True dat. They're in perfect harmony with the racist little shitholes that elected them.
@Cyber Liberty
I read about how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, New York City, won her election to the US House. The man who had that job for many years had it so long, no one ran against him. He didn't campaign because he always won. He didn't campaign this time, either, but had an opponent - the Cortez woman. She knocked on doors, had friends helping her, and she won. I don't think those people knew anything much about her, but they voted for her because she was visible and the man wasn't.
I am thinking she has been such a nutcase, they won't vote for her again, unless she is the only one running and that may be so.
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What was this thread about anyway?
I forgot, but after reading a couple thousand of @LegalAmerican 's posts, it's obvious that her definition of "patriot" is an unswerving loyalty to President Trump.
The rest of us shlubs, many of us who served honorably in the military, are simply unable to meet that lofty standard.
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@Cyber Liberty
I read about how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, New York City, won her election to the US House. The man who had that job for many years had it so long, no one ran against him. He didn't campaign because he always won. He didn't campaign this time, either, but had an opponent - the Cortez woman. She knocked on doors, had friends helping her, and she won. I don't think those people knew anything much about her, but they voted for her because she was visible and the man wasn't.
I am thinking she has been such a nutcase, they won't vote for her again, unless she is the only one running and that may be so.
@Victoria33 there's a little more to it than that. Good, fairly short video that explains the process:
http://youtu.be/1h5iv6sECGU (http://youtu.be/1h5iv6sECGU)
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None of this has a thing to do with the government printing up new money at the rate of $2 trillion per year and spending it. Obama monetary policy on steroids.
My issue is with Democrats, Republicans, AND your President - none of which are acting Conservative. And unlike you, I refuse to make excuses for our President expanding liberal policy.
Releasing captured illegals into US society is directly on President Trump.
Trump won't enforce the laws we already have. For example, it is a felony to re-enter the US after being deported, punishable by two years in prison. When did Trump ever prosecute such a case?
As for JFK, his Administration pre-dates "WELFARE". Only a complete fool would make such a claim.
I hate to break it to you, but by law, illegals are not eligible for federal aid, federal education assistance, etc. The fact that Trump still sends money to States that violate these laws shows that Trump is complicit in enacting liberal policy on borrowed money and driving up the debt.
I am on the side of the one candidate who promised to stop giving free stuff to illegals, to deport anyone and everyone here illegally and permanently ban their return, and to secure our border. Contrast that with your candidate who campaigned on touchback amnesty, and who has done nothing to secure our border since taking office.
For once, it would be nice to get you Trump sycophants on board to persuade the President to be the Conservative we all want. Instead, you make excuses for every single one of his liberal excesses while bashing Conservatives like me for expecting real Conservative leadership. You disgust me.
Fine, have it your way,
Your candidate didn't defeat ISIS,
Didn't stop NK from delivering missiles willy-nilly ,
Hasn't done the fine things for the pro-life movement and I will go with what the movement says, not someone who has an interest in denying this.
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Under whose admin, historic rates of minority unemployment are occuring.
Your candidated has likely supported the other guy's candidate, fwiw
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@Cyber Liberty
I read about how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, New York City, won her election to the US House. The man who had that job for many years had it so long, no one ran against him. He didn't campaign because he always won. He didn't campaign this time, either, but had an opponent - the Cortez woman. She knocked on doors, had friends helping her, and she won. I don't think those people knew anything much about her, but they voted for her because she was visible and the man wasn't.
I am thinking she has been such a nutcase, they won't vote for her again, unless she is the only one running and that may be so.
@Victoria33
Sums up what I understood about it as well, thanks! I don't see how the local Rats in Brooklyn would let anybody challenge her, or collect more than a handful of Republican votes in a General election.
She'll have a serious war-chest going for her in '20.
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Fine, have it your way,
Your candidate didn't defeat ISIS . . . blah . . blah . . . blah
Ah, we're back to this old bit. Since Cruz isn't President, he gets condemned for not doing what Presidents do. It's one of the more pathetic tactics I have seen here. The fact that Trump has increase the national debt by nearly $5 trillion in 2½ years is completely offset by the fact that Cruz has not done anything as President.
Like I said, it would have been nice to have you on board in helping pull Trump to the right on fiscal policy, immigration policy, etc. But instead, you make excuses for Trump's liberal actions while bashing others for demanding Conservative leadership.
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@LegalAmerican
Hopefully you’ll take me off of ignore longer enough to read this.
On your last statement, I think you see RIGHT THROUGH our faults perfectly! It’s amazing how well you see things! But @corbe has given you some AMAZING, ASTOUNDING advice here. We knuckle draggers ARE REALLY NOT WORTH all your efforts. You really should take a few minutes and go look at http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index). Those ASTONISHINGLY ENLIGHTENED folks over there will UNDOUBTEDLY treat you like ROYALTY!
Top Notch
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Cutting through all the crud, I got a question about the tweet. Did Trump in the tweet call them "four women of color" or did ABC News insert that themselves making it sound like it may have been in his tweet?
Hoping he did not, because that would make that tweet far more controversial than without it.
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Cutting through all the crud, I got a question about the tweet. Did Trump in the tweet call them "four women of color" or did ABC News insert that themselves making it sound like it may have been in his tweet?
Hoping he did not, because that would make that tweet far more controversial than without it.
Nope. He never mentioned their color, ethnicity, etc...
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Nope. He never mentioned their color, ethnicity, etc...
Thought so. It was the Liberal media that emphasized their color, and purposely added it in the middle of his quoted tweet.
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Cutting through all the crud, I got a question about the tweet. Did Trump in the tweet call them "four women of color" or did ABC News insert that themselves making it sound like it may have been in his tweet?
The President did not call them "four women of color" ... he did not mention color at all @NavyCanDo Here's the full tweet:
Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
So interesting to see “Progressive†Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
5:27 AM - 14 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381396994723841
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Everyone knows Trump didn't write those tweets. ..." from which they came." Come on. Probably Steven Miller.
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I say, that does not mean anything...since they have not assimilated into being American. I am American & support my president. ( With good reason) I am a citizen. I was not born here. Came here legally & pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG ....
Fantastic. How about you go back and instill that enthusiasm from whence you came?
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Fantastic. How about you go back and instill that enthusiasm from whence you came?
OMG.
I award you 500 Once-Ler points for funniest post of the day. 888high58888
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Cutting through all the crud, I got a question about the tweet. Did Trump in the tweet call them "four women of color" or did ABC News insert that themselves making it sound like it may have been in his tweet?
Hoping he did not, because that would make that tweet far more controversial than without it.
Here's a rule of thumb that has never ever failed me....
and I'm talking going on three decades now.
If it's coming from a leftist presshole, a leftist media outlet, a leftist network or a damned Democrat... (pardon the redundancy, ie same damned thing)....
you can pretty much bank on it and bet money on it that they are LYING.
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Telling the truth about the democommies destructive policies. Good for Trump.
@austingirl :amen: :yowsa: :amen: :yowsa:,One Gazillion times :amen: :yowsa:
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(https://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/17/10/lindsey_graham_trump_religious_bigot.jpg)
Whoops...that one is from 2015.
@Once-Ler
It was also Lady Lindsey,so it,like he,was meaningless.
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@Once-Ler
It was also Lady Lindsey,so it,like he,was meaningless.
Did you see he is accepting campaign contributions?
Lindsey Graham: “I Don’t Care†If Migrants “Stay in These Facilities for 400 Daysâ€
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368484.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368484.0.html)
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@Once-Ler
It was also Lady Lindsey,so it,like he,was meaningless.
Mitch wears him like a neckless.
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What was this thread about anyway?
It is about ganging up, and bullyling an individual patriotic American legal immigrant; who has the audacity of supporting the President.
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Did you see he is accepting campaign contributions?
Lindsey Graham: “I Don’t Care†If Migrants “Stay in These Facilities for 400 Daysâ€
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368484.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368484.0.html)
@Once-Ler
No,and I don't really care because he will never get a penny from me.
Other people can spend their money any way they want. Fools will generally spend their money foolishly.
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It is about ganging up, and bullyling an individual patriotic American legal immigrant; who has the audacity of supporting the President.
@truth_seeker
Really? I seem to have missed that part. What is that individual's name?
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@Once-Ler
No,and I don't really care because he will never get a penny from me.
Its nice to agree with you.
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Its nice to agree with you.
@Once-Ler
Probably not for the same reasons,though. For one thing him not caring about illegals spending 400 days in holding. The whole time they are being detained we are feeding them,watering them,giving them FREE MEDICAL CARE (which citizens don't even get),and using armed government agent to protect them from the predators of their own tribes.
I am a "catch,obtain and store biological data on each in order to put them on a "ban forever list for American citizenship",and immediately boot back across the border the same day they are caught" guy.
With the CLEAR understanding that if they are caught again,they WILL do time on a prison labor gang doing stuff like raking the sand in the desert for a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of a year before being given the boot again. After the second time,no more Mister Nice Guy. If they are caught the 3rd time,they get life at hard labor in the desert.
You either get serious about protecting and defending your border,and by extension you nation,or you have no border or nation.
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AOC and her mean girls club is out to get attention and they get it.....big time. Four women trying to be important.
I see their equivalent in the Meadows, Scalise cabal.
Be honest, most of America is not on either side of either extreme.
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What was this thread about anyway?
Pie?
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AOC and her mean girls club is out to get attention and they get it.....big time. Four women trying to be important.
They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
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Don't blame the mean girls for Trump's lack of control.
Somehow beating up four dumb women is hardly an accomplishment to write home about.
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AOC and her mean girls club is out to get attention and they get it.....big time. Four women trying to be important.
I see their equivalent in the Meadows, Scalise cabal.
Be honest, most of America is not on either side of either extreme.
Meadows and Scalise are merely playing at being conservative. There are millions of us to the right of those guys.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
Egged on by his Brigadiers, Trump can't help himself. He should be playing "The Art of War" instead of "The Art of the Deal."
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Egged on by his Brigadiers, Trump can't help himself. He should be playing "The Art of War" instead of "The Art of the Deal."
I just think it's cute that there are still people who think that the Press won't make up anything it can to paint Trump as a racist.
"If Trump hadn't have Twitted this, the Press would love him." The naivety is astounding.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
Wrong. Trump is brilliantly making AOC the "face" of the new Democratic Party, and is forcing Pelosi and the old guard to defend her. Nobody else could pull this off, other than Trump. You may not like it, but it's come to this. But this needed to happen, sooner than later.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
They'd portray them that way regardless.
What Trump has done with these tweets is wedded them to the rest of the Democrat Party. When the campaign rolls around and the press again misjudges the sentiment of voters, they'll think that reviving this story will hurt Trump.
And as the press starts drawing attention to the controversy to push their narrative, Trump's campaign will piggyback off all that extra attention and start blasting 24/7 all the actual statements/tweets made by members of The Squad. In the court of public opinion, I think that's a win for Trump hands down.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
Why is it you think the majority of Americans are OK with the race hatred purveyed by the left, and why do you believe the media would ever dare to highlight it enough for a significant number of the public to notice?
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I just think it's cute that there are still people who think that the Press won't make up anything it can to paint Trump as a racist.
"If Trump hadn't have Twitted this, the Press would love him." The naivety is astounding.
This isn't naivete. This is a dishonest attempt to alter reality.
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This isn't naivete. This is a dishonest attempt to alter reality.
What's "naive" is otherwise thinking people thinking the Press would not be accusing Trump of being a "raciss" had he not twitted what he did. That's being willfully ignorant.
He's forcing Pelosi to defend those she's been trying to distance herself from.
Checkers gets short shrift in the comparisons with Chess. Properly played by an expert, Checkers is actually a very challenging game, because of all the forced moves. A good player will force his opponent into making all sorts of moves that are detrimental to that opponent, and that's exactly what's going on here. The only question is, is the challenging move worth the blowback?
We'll see. It's not as cut and dried as it seems to people who have demonstrated a visceral dislike of this President.
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This isn't naivete. This is a dishonest attempt to alter reality.
It's despicable how the media portrays Trump as a racist by reporting what he writes on twitter!!!
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How did the word "countries" get injected into this anyway? Trump's words were this:
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.â€
Nowhere did he say "countries". Nowhere. Yet the left has invented a new reality here by falsely attributing words to Trump that he did not utter. Last time I checked, Detroit was a shithole city that was in sore need of fixing.
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It's despicable how the media portrays Trump as a racist by reporting embellishing what he writes on twitter!!!
There, fixed it.
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Why is it you think the majority of Americans are OK with the race hatred purveyed by the left, and why do you believe the media would ever dare to highlight it enough for a significant number of the public to notice?
To be fair, the great majority of Americans don't give a crap one way or the other.
All of us here are here because we are political in some fashion. That often leads us in aggregate to believe John Q. Public will react as we do. John Q. Public really doesn't give a single crap about any of it.
And to add to that, these manufactured drama events are blown up in the papers daily, at full volume. so often in fact, that most folks ignore it reflexively. It really doesn't matter who is making the drama, Tumpy or AOC... All the bomb-throwing causes people to turn up the squelch.
Y'all are praying for a Chick-Fil-A .
But Chick-Fil-A can't be manufactured...
or it ain't Chick-Fil-A
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To be fair, the great majority of Americans don't give a crap one way or the other.
All of us here are here because we are political in some fashion. That often leads us in aggregate to believe John Q. Public will react as we do. John Q. Public really doesn't give a single crap about any of it.
And to add to that, these manufactured drama events are blown up in the papers daily, at full volume. so often in fact, that most folks ignore it reflexively. It really doesn't matter who is making the drama, Tumpy or AOC... All the bomb-throwing causes people to turn up the squelch.
Y'all are praying for a Chick-Fil-A .
But Chick-Fil-A can't be manufactured...
or it ain't Chick-Fil-A
I'm gonna take a chance with you here and suggest that this may be the secret to Trump's success thus far - using pedestrian language to promote rank & file sentiments to reach marginally engaged American Idol fans. It also explains why he's constantly being under estimated politically by those who watch politics more closely.
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Egged on by his Brigadiers, Trump can't help himself. He should be playing "The Art of War" instead of "The Art of the Deal."
Your way:
McCain, Romney, etc.
Trump's way:
Surprising win and he's already on his way again.
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I just think it's cute that there are still people who think that the Press won't make up anything it can to paint Trump as a racist.
"If Trump hadn't have Twitted this, the Press would love him." The naivety is astounding.
Nobody is saying the press would love him, what they are saying is that he stopped the press from focusing on the internecine squabbling of the democrats. That was a stupid thing to do.
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I'm gonna take a chance with you here and suggest that this may be the secret to Trump's success thus far - using pedestrian language to promote rank & file sentiments to reach marginally engaged American Idol fans. It also explains why he's constantly being under estimated politically by those who watch politics more closely.
I will take a chance with you too, and state that believing the disaffected American public to be 'marginally engaged American Idol fans' is equal to the hubris of the leftists in the MSM.
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I will take a chance with you too, and state that believing the disaffected American public to be 'marginally engaged American Idol fans' is equal to the hubris of the leftists in the MSM.
You're right. I should have simply referred to them as John Q Public who doesn't give a crap.
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Nobody is saying the press would love him, what they are saying is that he stopped the press from focusing on the internecine squabbling of the democrats. That was a stupid thing to do.
My point was, the Press will call Trump a racist Nazi even if he decides to work full-time in a soup kitchen. It was an obvious calculated risk in order to glue Pelosi and the Idiot Squad together at the hips, and we'll just have to wait and see if it pans out.
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You're right. I should have simply referred to them as John Q Public who doesn't give a crap.
No... John Q Public who doesn't give a crap about any of this.
That's a different thing altogether.
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No... John Q Public who doesn't give a crap about any of this.
That's a different thing altogether.
Got it.
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My point was, the Press will call Trump a racist Nazi even if he decides to work full-time in a soup kitchen. It was an obvious calculated risk in order to glue Pelosi and the Idiot Squad together at the hips, and we'll just have to wait and see if it pans out.
Don't overlook the fact, many folks (Silent Majority) see Tump calling the dems out, and saying to themselves; "just what I think," but cn't risk saying publicly.
Many commentators, leftists, media, gentle weak Republicans, usual TBR "experts,"
just get stuck on Trump's often inarticulate method, but fail to move further on, and fail to see that Trump has connected well with many people.
This stuff is not complicated. Looking back, 1968-1992. (quick 4 year break for Carter to show his stuff about Tehran.
Trump is doing the Nixon-Reagan play. Dems are anti-American. Not necessary to quibble over details.
The question these days, is who plays the weak Republican? Romney, Kasich, etc?
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My point was, the Press will call Trump a racist Nazi even if he decides to work full-time in a soup kitchen. It was an obvious calculated risk in order to glue Pelosi and the Idiot Squad together at the hips, and we'll just have to wait and see if it pans out.
I think you are correct.
A lot of people read the first part of the tweet and freaked out.
Read it all, and you will see that he's linking all the democrats to each other.
And, yes, that squad, is calling him racist, because that's the only play know.
In their mind, he's not allowed to criticize them because they are women, and non-white.
Ironically, Trump is treating them just like he would a straight white christian male.
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My point was, the Press will call Trump a racist Nazi even if he decides to work full-time in a soup kitchen. It was an obvious calculated risk in order to glue Pelosi and the Idiot Squad together at the hips, and we'll just have to wait and see if it pans out.
That sort of cynicism leads to recklessness. Just because you assume the media has it in for Trump as a racist, doesn't mean that Trump should double down on being a racist. Folks and can do think for themselves - but the constant drumbeat that Trump is toxic and beyond the pale doesn't help - especially when that drumbeat has more than a whiff of credibility given Trump's voluntary proffering of verbal diarrhea.
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Nobody is saying the press would love him, what they are saying is that he stopped the press from focusing on the internecine squabbling of the democrats. That was a stupid thing to do.
Bingo. The press was focusing hard on the Dems' infighting. Now it's not. The Dems thank God everyday for the gift that is Donald Trump.
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Bingo. The press was focusing hard on the Dems' infighting.
The press was focusing on Trump like it always does. As far as any Dem infighting goes, they had already sided with sane Pelosi on this as instructed. Only now, Pelosi is forced to cross to the wacko side again.
The Dems thank God everyday for the gift that is Donald Trump.
Just as they did in 2015-2016.
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Bingo. The press was focusing hard on the Dems' infighting. Now it's not. The Dems thank God everyday for the gift that is Donald Trump.
The Rats are now forced to defend AOC, when Biden was hoping he could somewhat distance himself from them come time for the Campaign. They can't walk it back now.
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Bingo. The press was focusing hard on the Dems' infighting. Now it's not. The Dems thank God everyday for the gift that is Donald Trump.
Are you kidding? The press was doing no such thing.
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Are you kidding? The press was doing no such thing.
It was. Maybe they didn't cover it at freedomboner.gun, but it was covered here.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368163.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368163.0.html)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368216.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368216.0.html)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368162.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368162.0.html)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368124.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368124.0.html)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368127.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368127.0.html)
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It was. Maybe they didn't cover it at freedomboner.gun, but it was covered here.
Right. And I suspect presidentialpolitics.com has fewer visitors than freedomboner.gun.
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freedomboner.gun, now that there is funny.
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Right. And I suspect presidentialpolitics.com has fewer visitors than freedomboner.gun.
and the hill and washington examiner? I'm sorry CNN and NYT don't get posted here much. I could find those stories for you but you will always have an excuse for being unaware.
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Got it.
Do you, really?
There's a local mechanic's shop here which, as is common, has a beer fridge out back, and where, after 5 o'clock, somewhere between 5 and 10 working class guys will show up on any given night. some new coming, some done and going, but just some dudes getting together after a grueling day to quaff a few with buddies before wandering on home.
If I were to go there this evening, I can readily predict that none of this crap even shows up in the conversation. And if I were to impose, and mention all this, the conversation would rather quickly go elsewhere.
These guys are Joe SixPack, the very kind that y'all say are Tumpy's backbone support, and as a rule, not a one is likely to have watched American Idol...
This stuff won't make a peep... But Chick-Fil-A made it there.
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Trump: Congresswomen can 'go wherever they want'
By Jessica Campisi - 07/16/19 03:51 PM EDT
President Trump on Tuesday pressed on with his attacks on four Democratic congresswomen of color whom he told to “go back†to their home countries, saying the lawmakers "can go wherever they want."
“It’s up to them. They can go wherever they want, or they can stay,†Trump told reporters during a Cabinet meeting. “But they should love our country. They shouldn’t hate our country.
“You look at what they’ve said — I have clips right here — the most vile, horrible statements about our country, about Israel, about others. It’s up to them,†he continued. “They can do what they want. They can leave. They can stay. But they should love our country. But they should love our country, and they should work for the good of our country.â€
<..snip..>
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453351-trump-congresswomen-can-go-wherever-they-want (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/453351-trump-congresswomen-can-go-wherever-they-want)
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and the hill and washington examiner? I'm sorry CNN and NYT don't get posted here much. I could find those stories for you but you will always have an excuse for being unaware.
You got me. I was totally unaware CNN and the NYT were so focused on division in the democrat party.
When will they ever give Pelosi a break?
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After abandoning all hope that a credible opponent to Trump could arise in time for 2020, I am beyond comfortably numb in this daily $hit show and actually beginning to look forward to the next episode. I should be looking into some anti-conversion therapy at this point cause if I cross over you #Nevers better watch your Ps and Qs, I know who you are.
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After abandoning all hope that a credible opponent to Trump could arise in time for 2020, I am beyond comfortably numb in this daily $hit show and actually beginning to look forward to the next episode. I should be looking into some anti-conversion therapy at this point cause if I cross over you #Nevers better watch your Ps and Qs, I know who you are.
We will trick you into becoming a socialist.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
@Jazzhead
I see your point,but this is a double-edged blade. The more press they get,the more Americans get to see them at batshit crazy anti-American racists and communists.
The commies have been hiding behind the illusion of individual freedoms for almost 100 years now,and I think it is kind of refreshing to see them exposing themselves to be what they are,right on tv.
I do have to admit I have a VERY hard time believing the majority of Mexicans and Americans of Mexican heritage living in the US is going to drink the swill they are selling. ESPECIALLY not the 1st and 2nd generation Americans that came from south of our border. I lived in a Mexican neighborhood in Denver for a couple of years,and I never once personally met anyone from the La Raza gang,and never heard them mentioned with anything but contempt.
Not that I think the globalist owned and controlled media would lie to us about anything this important,though in order to cause trouble and sell more add space,though. </S>
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Wrong. Trump is brilliantly making AOC the "face" of the new Democratic Party, and is forcing Pelosi and the old guard to defend her. Nobody else could pull this off, other than Trump. You may not like it, but it's come to this. But this needed to happen, sooner than later.
@dfwgator
AGREED! And it a beautiful thing to see,only made more enjoyable when I see them and their supporters cheering as "Trump messes up".
He has tricked the left into exposing themselves.
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How did the word "countries" get injected into this anyway? Trump's words were this:
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.â€
Nowhere did he say "countries". Nowhere. Yet the left has invented a new reality here by falsely attributing words to Trump that he did not utter. Last time I checked, Detroit was a shithole city that was in sore need of fixing.
@Hoodat
The truth is most 3rd world countries would get mad about being compared to Detroit.
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Nobody is saying the press would love him, what they are saying is that he stopped the press from focusing on the internecine squabbling of the democrats. That was a stupid thing to do.
@Bill Cipher
What planet do you live on? I see nothing BUT the press talking about squabbling amongst the Dims as the hard left dummies try to force the squishy left dummies to take a stand or be dismissed.
This is a beautiful thing to behold. The squishy left is actually a misnomer. At heart,they are hard-core Stalinists,but they are RICH Stalinists who have always lived lives of privilege,and they don't want to risk losing that privilege by going public with it. Trump,though AOC and the other screaming nitwits,is forcing them out into the light.The Dim Party is either going to have to cave to support the hard left,or the hard left will leave the Dim Party along with all their illegal alien and criminal voter blocks. Maybe even run as CPUSA candidates in 2022. Maybe even in 2020.
The young bloods don't want to wait. What they want is EVERYTHING,and they want it NOW!
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Do you, really?
There's a local mechanic's shop here which, as is common, has a beer fridge out back, and where, after 5 o'clock, somewhere between 5 and 10 working class guys will show up on any given night. some new coming, some done and going, but just some dudes getting together after a grueling day to quaff a few with buddies before wandering on home.
If I were to go there this evening, I can readily predict that none of this crap even shows up in the conversation. And if I were to impose, and mention all this, the conversation would rather quickly go elsewhere.
These guys are Joe SixPack, the very kind that y'all say are Tumpy's backbone support, and as a rule, not a one is likely to have watched American Idol...
This stuff won't make a peep... But Chick-Fil-A made it there.
@roamer_1
I guess it has never occurred to you that none of them agree with your political viewpoint,so they just don't want to talk with you about it and get mad?
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@roamer_1
I guess it has never occurred to you that none of them agree with your political viewpoint,so they just don't want to talk with you about it and get mad?
@sneakypete
Nope.
Socially conservative, living a conservative lifestyle. Salt of the earth, all of them.
Like I said, Chick-Fil-A got their interest.
Men just aren't drawn to all this high drama, and fake bullcrap... Well, I guess some men are, but all these guys ain't drawn to WWE wrestling either.
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They'd be a hell of a lot less important if Trump would shut his trap and stop letting the Dems happily play the race card. The "squad" are extremist crazies, but the media can now, thanks to Trump, portray them as victims of racist tropes.
No names or race was ever mentioned by president. MEDIA DID ALL OF THAT RACIST BALONEY. ALL FOUR OF THE SQUAD ARE COMMUNISTS. TWO SUPPORT THE KORAN & ISLAM. ALL ANTI-AMERICANS.
Omar’s record:
-Defended terror attacks on Israel
-Advocated for leniency for men convicted of trying to join ISIS
-Voted against ending terrorist life insurance payouts
-Advocated for a Muslim Brotherhood member to be let out of jail
–Demonized US troops that killed terrorists
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) July 15, 2019
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Bingo. The press was focusing hard on the Dems' infighting. Now it's not. The Dems thank God everyday for the gift that is Donald Trump.
Maybe this will help you understand what's just happened @Jazzhead
'The President Won This One': CNN's Tapper Details How Trump Outflanked Ocasio-Cortez And Her Leninist Girl Scout Troop
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368785.0.html
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None of this has a thing to do with the government printing up new money at the rate of $2 trillion per year and spending it. Obama monetary policy on steroids.
My issue is with Democrats, Republicans, AND your President - none of which are acting Conservative. And unlike you, I refuse to make excuses for our President expanding liberal policy.
Releasing captured illegals into US society is directly on President Trump.
Trump won't enforce the laws we already have. For example, it is a felony to re-enter the US after being deported, punishable by two years in prison. When did Trump ever prosecute such a case?
As for JFK, his Administration pre-dates "WELFARE". Only a complete fool would make such a claim.
I hate to break it to you, but by law, illegals are not eligible for federal aid, federal education assistance, etc. The fact that Trump still sends money to States that violate these laws shows that Trump is complicit in enacting liberal policy on borrowed money and driving up the debt.
I am on the side of the one candidate who promised to stop giving free stuff to illegals, to deport anyone and everyone here illegally and permanently ban their return, and to secure our border. Contrast that with your candidate who campaigned on touchback amnesty, and who has done nothing to secure our border since taking office.
For once, it would be nice to get you Trump sycophants on board to persuade the President to be the Conservative we all want. Instead, you make excuses for every single one of his liberal excesses while bashing Conservatives like me for expecting real Conservative leadership. <Personal insult removed.>
<Personal insult removed.> You don't understand we are a REPUBLIC. 3 area's of government. JUDICIAL is blocking all of conservative president TRUMPS MOVES. CONGRESS HAS TO VOTE to change laws. You like most, want president to act like a dictator, when NOT accusing him of being one! I laugh. Heard of 9th CIRCUS COURT? THEY STOP PRESIDENTS GOOD WORKS. WE ARE A REPUBLIC. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. President is a CENTRIST. CONGRESS, both sides have to change the law regarding illegals, put in by other demon-rats, JFK, LBJ. TEDDY.. E.O'.s are only as good, till next president removes them. WE NEED SOMETHING MADE INTO LAW. Right now president is following all of our laws. He is more conservative then, you are. You want mob rule. You are the fool. CELLER/HART ACT 1965. put in by LBJ & Teddy, which JFK WANTED DONE, before they killed him. Also, welfare put in my JFK.
Candidate TRUMP said EVERY TIME..these are this policy's working WITH CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION...to get implemented. He NEVER SAID..he would be a dictator. You EGO is showing & lies. Easy to research 1965 act.
President said NATIONAL EMERGENCY. All demon-rats, media said , he is making that up. NO CRISES AT BORDER.
ALL DEMON-RATS & 12 RINOS VOTED AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER.
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@ Hoodat Most of you are pissed at me because I am right. NATIONAL EMERGENCY LAW. 12 rinos voted against president.
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I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to.
It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written.
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER.
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
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@ HO0DAT.
I hate to break it to you, but by law, illegals are not eligible for federal aid, federal education assistance, etc. The fact that Trump still sends money to States that violate these laws shows that Trump is complicit in enacting liberal policy on borrowed money and driving up the debt.=HOODAT
I hate to break it to you, but WELFARE OFFICE IS THE first place ILLEGALS...GO TO! About 75% are on some kind of welfare. You are young, goofy, & not informed. Most of what you wrote is wrong.
JFK..started welfare for ILLEGALS. He said a country as wealthy as we are, should do it. Then LBJ & TEDDY put it into law, under civi rights act in 1965. https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use (https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use) ... Households
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare. APRIL 05, 2011
https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011) ... t-welfare/
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I hate to break it to you, but WELFARE OFFICE IS THE first place ILLEGALS...GO TO! About 75% are on some kind of welfare. You are young, goofy, & not informed. Most of what you wrote is wrong.
JFK..started welfare for ILLEGALS. He said a country as wealthy as we are, should do it. Then LBJ & TEDDY put it into law, under civi rights act in 1965.
Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs
Revised DECEMBER 2015
Endnotes and citations available in the PDF version.
By Tanya Broder, Avideh Moussavian, and Jonathan Blazer
The major federal public benefits programs have always left some non–U.S. citizens out of eligibility for assistance from the programs. Since their inception, programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), nonemergency Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and its precursor, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), have been inaccessible to undocumented immigrants and people in the United States on temporary visas.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/ (https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/)
btw, your links don't work.
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Your way:
McCain, Romney, etc.
Trump's way:
Surprising win and he's already on his way again.
I always find it very amusing how many people are not billionaire's , nor PRESIDENT of USA...yet,,,they are smarter then HE IS! THEY PUT HIM DOWN...as if to elevate themselves. :rolling: 888high58888. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs
Revised DECEMBER 2015
Endnotes and citations available in the PDF version.
By Tanya Broder, Avideh Moussavian, and Jonathan Blazer
The major federal public benefits programs have always left some non–U.S. citizens out of eligibility for assistance from the programs. Since their inception, programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), nonemergency Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and its precursor, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), have been inaccessible to undocumented immigrants and people in the United States on temporary visas.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/ (https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/)
btw, your links don't work.
Works for me. JUDICIAL WATCH.
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare
APRIL 05, 2011
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Surprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.
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BTW...CENSORSHIP OF ALL CORRECT SITES. That should not be news to you.
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https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/ (https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/)
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Works for me. JUDICIAL WATCH.
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare
APRIL 05, 2011
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Surprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.
You just made my point. The law prohibits these people from receiving benefits. Yet this Administration is paying them benefits anyway. It needs to stop. Illegals with anchor babies need to be tried, convicted, and sentenced for being here illegally, and then deported never to return. Yet the caravans keep coming because they know how to game the system. Like I have said again and again and again, stop giving free stuff to illegals. It is a violation of US law.
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You just made my point. The law prohibits these people from receiving benefits. Yet this Administration is paying them benefits anyway. It needs to stop. Illegals with anchor babies need to be tried, convicted, and sentenced for being here illegally, and then deported never to return. Yet the caravans keep coming because they know how to game the system. Like I have said again and again and again, stop giving free stuff to illegals. It is a violation of US law.
You can't even understand the title?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/welfare-money-is-paying-for-a-lot-of-things-besides-welfare/ar-AACP9Dn?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/welfare-money-is-paying-for-a-lot-of-things-besides-welfare/ar-AACP9Dn?ocid=spartandhp)
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Immigrants have no doubt gamed the system. Not as is the president and his adult children have ever gamed the system.
They are all pure as the driven snow. After all, just ask Deutche Bank.
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How did the word "countries" get injected into this anyway? Trump's words were this:
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.â€
Nowhere did he say "countries". Nowhere. Yet the left has invented a new reality here by falsely attributing words to Trump that he did not utter. Last time I checked, Detroit was a shithole city that was in sore need of fixing.
Nowhere in the second tweet of a stream of three. Trump's first tweet in the stream of three read
So interesting to see “Progressive†Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
I'm with Andrew McCarthy of NR on this. Trump wasn't being racist in his tweet stream, just abysmally stupid.
When I read tweet #2 without tweet #1, my reaction was, yup, Detroit, the Bronx, Chicago, Somalia,... but tweet #1 was just abysmally stupid, since three of the four originally came from the USA.
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How did the word "countries" get injected into this anyway? Trump's words were this:
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.â€
Nowhere did he say "countries". Nowhere. Yet the left has invented a new reality here by falsely attributing words to Trump that he did not utter. Last time I checked, Detroit was a shithole city that was in sore need of fixing.
I thought he meant their districts, too, same as when he talks about San Fran Nan. I believe that somebody got to Trump and told him that he needs to keep the vote total down in Detroit in order to have a chance to win Michigan again. Calling Detroit a shithole city doesn't help matters.
It is probably all for naught anyway. The midterms show that the leftist coalition in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are far more motivated than they were in 2016. There are simply too many of them in those states, if you can't keep their turnout down.
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Immigrants have no doubt gamed the system. Not as is the president and his adult children have ever gamed the system.
They are all pure as the driven snow. After all, just ask Deutche Bank.
Deutche Bank? That’s It?
Yeah, right, Deutche Bank. That’ll derail Trump’s re-election. People are really hopping mad about that.
But keep hope alive. Your Trump hate needs constant feeding.
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You can't even understand the title?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/welfare-money-is-paying-for-a-lot-of-things-besides-welfare/ar-AACP9Dn?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/welfare-money-is-paying-for-a-lot-of-things-besides-welfare/ar-AACP9Dn?ocid=spartandhp)
You can't understand that our governments are giving welfare to illegals IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF US LAW, regardless of the legal atatus of their children. Benefits are being paid to the illegal parents, not the children. It needs to end. Now. And it the Executive branch that can end it.
So instead of defending Trump for allowing these illegal payments to continue, why not get on board with fixing the problem by telling Trump to push a Conservative agenda and end this illegal practice? Congress already made it illegal. Will Trump ever enforce it?
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Maybe this will help you understand what's just happened @Jazzhead
'The President Won This One': CNN's Tapper Details How Trump Outflanked Ocasio-Cortez And Her Leninist Girl Scout Troop
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368785.0.html
CNN - The final word on thought.
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You just made my point. The law prohibits these people from receiving benefits. Yet this Administration is paying them benefits anyway. It needs to stop.
The law prohibits illegals themselves from receiving benefits. The problem is the anchor babies who are U.S. citizens do have a legal right to those benefits, so that's why they're being received. The Administration doesn't have a choice there.
The solution is obviously to boot out the people who are here illegally, regardless of whether or not they have an anchor baby. But there is a massive backlog of immigration cases and deportation orders that can't be resolved unless/until Congress appropriates more money, which they won't do. And Trump's other efforts to enforce immigration law often get stymied by judges.
It's a crappy situation, but Trump isn't the guy deserving of blame for it. Congress is the problem.
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The law prohibits illegals themselves from receiving benefits. The problem is the anchor babies who are U.S. citizens do have a legal right to those benefits, so that's why they're being received. The Administration doesn't have a choice there.
The solution is obviously to boot out the people who are here illegally, regardless of whether or not they have an anchor baby. But there is a massive backlog of immigration cases and deportation orders that can't be resolved unless/until Congress appropriates more money, which they won't do. And Trump's other efforts to enforce immigration law often get stymied by judges.
It's a crappy situation, but Trump isn't the guy deserving of blame for it. Congress is the problem.
Why did Trump promise mass deportations if he didn't have the money for it?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants-arrests/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants-arrests/index.html)
"This notion that we were going to do this massive sweep -- to be honest, there have been limited results so far," the official told CNN. "There have been no mass arrests."
The official went on to tell CNN that ICE "does arrests every day," but right now it's "business as usual. "
Last week, a senior immigration official told CNN that the five-day operation would target some 2,000 family members with court orders of removal and take place over several days in the 10 cities across the nation -- Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York and San Francisco. The raids were expected to focus on recent arrivals to the country.
Without providing any details about the number of arrests that had occurred, President Donald Trump insisted Monday that the raids had started and had been "very successful."
"People came into our country illegally," Trump said at the White House. "Many were felons. Many were convicted of crimes. Many, many were taken out on Sunday. You just didn't know about it."
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The law prohibits illegals themselves from receiving benefits. The problem is the anchor babies who are U.S. citizens do have a legal right to those benefits, so that's why they're being received. The Administration doesn't have a choice there.
The solution is obviously to boot out the people who are here illegally, regardless of whether or not they have an anchor baby. But there is a massive backlog of immigration cases and deportation orders that can't be resolved unless/until Congress appropriates more money, which they won't do. And Trump's other efforts to enforce immigration law often get stymied by judges.
It's a crappy situation, but Trump isn't the guy deserving of blame for it. Congress is the problem.
I followed you up until the part about how 'Trump can't do anything about it'. He can. If the government can spend cash to an illegal's residence, then they can send an immigration agent there to arrest that illegal for illegal entry. They have money in their budget. They should make this a priority.
And no, anchor babies (i.e. minors) are not eligible for TANF and SNAP. Only their parents are. And if their parents are here illegally, they can be deported.
Yes, Congress is a huge problem. But they are not the only problem here.
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The law prohibits illegals themselves from receiving benefits. The problem is the anchor babies who are U.S. citizens do have a legal right to those benefits, so that's why they're being received. The Administration doesn't have a choice there.
@Maj. Bill Martin
AND....,unless I have been mislead,the illegal alien parents get to stay here in order to care for their anchor babies,and the anchor baby's checks come to the parents FOR the children,because children obviously can't write checks,balance checkbooks,or be held responsible for managing their money
The solution is obviously to boot out the people who are here illegally, regardless of whether or not they have an anchor baby.
Boot out the anchor baby with the parents. After all,what right do we have to take a child away from it's parents?
Flat out,we MUST eliminate the anchor baby system or we won't have a system.
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AND....,unless I have been mislead,the illegal alien parents get to stay here in order to care for their anchor babies
@sneakypete
Not according to US law. They are still in violation of immigration laws punishable by 6 months in prison (or two years for second offenders). The children have a legal right to stay, but the parents do not. So it is either find some foster parents they trust, or take their US citizen children back from where they came.
(Not that any of this ever gets enforced).
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@sneakypete
Not according to US law. They are still in violation of immigration laws punishable by 6 months in prison (or two years for second offenders). The children have a legal right to stay, but the parents do not. So it is either find some foster parents they trust, or take their US citizen children back from where they came.
(Not that any of this ever gets enforced).
The ill conceived Amnesty 33 years ago under a "conservative icon," resulted in the very logical conclusion to get in here, and most likely get to stay.
And get to stay, they have. Deporting illegals has never been a priority sincee 1986. Deporting technically illegal parents of minor citizens has never been a priority.
Occasional shows have been made of interior, workplace enforcement.
Interior enforcement has not been a priority since 1954, Operation Wetback, under Eisenhower when over 1 million were deported.
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I don't recall any charges of racism when the libs were telling Melania Trump to go back where she came from.
(http://thetruthdivision.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/hubBy31025d0C07aiMUhjMm3AsfEgcLHUVSV2K0mNA8.jpg)
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Boot out the anchor baby with the parents. After all,what right do we have to take a child away from it's parents?
I agree that we should boot the parents. We still run into the problem of not having enough immigration judges and ICE to process all the people who would need to be deported. As a practical matter, what we need to do is greatly strengthen the lawful-status check system for employment, and greatly increase punishment for employers who hire people who are here illegally. You may get a lot of self-deports if you can do that.
Flat out,we MUST eliminate the anchor baby system or we won't have a system.
I agree. Not sure there's much of a chance of that happening, through. You'd need a very favorable court decision or a constitutional amendment.
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I agree that we should boot the parents. We still run into the problem of not having enough immigration judges and ICE to process all the people who would need to be deported. As a practical matter, what we need to do is greatly strengthen the lawful-status check system for employment, and greatly increase punishment for employers who hire people who are here illegally. You may get a lot of self-deports if you can do that.
I agree. Not sure there's much of a chance of that happening, through. You'd need a very favorable court decision or a constitutional amendment.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Since when has the Constitution demanded we give citizenship to anyone that shows up?
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My opinion...…………...IF the President 'won' this one...……...America lost it's soul.
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My opinion...…………...IF the President 'won' this one...……...America lost it's soul.
I'm afraid that ship has sailed....
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Since when has the Constitution demanded we give citizenship to anyone that shows up?
Whether or not the birthright citizens doctrine is actually a correct interpretation of the Constitution is a separate issue from how widely accepted that idea is, and the unlikelihood that the Supreme Court would ever say otherwise.
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The anchor baby provision really has no effect as long as we are determined to permanently deport their illegal parents. If the anchor babies go back with their parents while retaining their citizenship, then they can return when they turn 18 or when their parents surrender guardianship to someone legally living in the US. And as long as they retain their citizenship no matter where they live, they are responsible for paying taxes to the US government for any income generated.
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And as long as they retain their citizenship no matter where they live, they are responsible for paying taxes to the US government for any income generated.
@Hoodat
ROFLMAO!
Good one!
How are you going to tax cash from the sale of drugs and stolen goods? IF/WHEN these people come back,it will be to "retire in place" on welfare.
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@Hoodat
ROFLMAO!
Good one!
How are you going to tax cash from the sale of drugs and stolen goods? IF/WHEN these people come back,it will be to "retire in place" on welfare.
Crap..... I'm still wondering why they aren't paying for 'The Wall' with Chapo Guzman's confiscated $13 BILLION?
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Crap..... I'm still wondering why they aren't paying for 'The Wall' with Chapo Guzman's confiscated $13 BILLION?
@DCPatriot
Me,too. To give him the credit he is due,so is Ted Cruz.
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Crap..... I'm still wondering why they aren't paying for 'The Wall' with Chapo Guzman's confiscated $13 BILLION?
Are you still under the illusion that you are getting a wall, @DCPatriot ?
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The law prohibits illegals themselves from receiving benefits. The problem is the anchor babies who are U.S. citizens do have a legal right to those benefits, so that's why they're being received. The Administration doesn't have a choice there.
The solution is obviously to boot out the people who are here illegally, regardless of whether or not they have an anchor baby. But there is a massive backlog of immigration cases and deportation orders that can't be resolved unless/until Congress appropriates more money, which they won't do. And Trump's other efforts to enforce immigration law often get stymied by judges.
It's a crappy situation, but Trump isn't the guy deserving of blame for it. Congress is the problem.
Thank you. Even links don't help some people. Splitting hairs. About 70+% of illegals receive some form of welfare, put in by JFK. . Then JFK, LBJ, TEDDY, put the nail in our coffin with, CELLER/HART ACT 1965...& Clinton 1996 laws.
Illegal Immigrants Receive Billions of Dollars More from the IRS than They Pay in
By Peter A. Schulkin on September 16, 2011
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Crap..... I'm still wondering why they aren't paying for 'The Wall' with Chapo Guzman's confiscated $13 BILLION?
Money ISN'T the issue. It is congress DEMON-RATS & Rino's, who won't VOTE for the funds to be used for that.
NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER...all voted AGAINST THAT & the dirty dozen. Who gave Illegals all the perks?
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
1 – A JOB,
2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 – WELFARE,
5 – FOOD STAMPS,
6 – CREDIT CARDS,
7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 – FREE EDUCATION,
9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
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My opinion...…………...IF the President 'won' this one...……...America lost it's soul.
YOU..support ANTI-AMERICANS? 4 COMMUNISTS? TWO, WHO SUPPORT THE KORAN & SHARIA LAW? YOU ARE LOST.
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Money ISN'T the issue. It is congress DEMON-RATS & Rino's, who won't VOTE for the funds to be used for that.
NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER...all voted AGAINST THAT & the dirty dozen. Who gave Illegals all the perks?
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
1 – A JOB,
2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 – WELFARE,
5 – FOOD STAMPS,
6 – CREDIT CARDS,
7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 – FREE EDUCATION,
9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER. (NOT TO MENTION ALL THE DEMON-RATS)
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
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JFK under "civil rights" increased BOTH ILLEGALS & ISLAMISTS coming into America. He started the idea, pushed & promoted the idea that "rich America should give ILLEGALS. ...WELFARE". LBJ & TEDDY PUSHED THAT idea and now both ideas, are harming America. UNDER THE GUISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS.
DEMON-RATS don't want to change this antiquated law, giving illegals welfare. THAT is what draws them here!
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REVISED?
The 1965 act marked a radical break from the immigration policies of the past.
The law as it stood then excluded Asians and Africans and preferred northern and western Europeans over southern and eastern ones.[2] At the height of the civil rights movement of the 1960s the law was seen as an embarrassment by, among others, President John F. Kennedy, who called the then-quota-system "nearly intolerable".[3]
After Kennedy's assassination, President Lyndon Johnson signed the bill at the foot of the Statue of Liberty as a symbolic foothold of signing the bill.
In order to convince the American people of the legislation's merits, its proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions",[4] while Secretary of State Dean Rusk and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove grossly inaccurate.[5]
In line with earlier immigration law, the bill also prohibited the entry into the country of "sexual deviants", including homosexuals. By doing so it crystallized the policy of the INS that had previously been rejecting homosexual immigrants on the grounds that they were "mentally defective" or had a "constitutional psychopathic inferiority". The provision discriminating against gay people was rescinded by the Immigration Act of 1990.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati) ... ct_of_1965
(Summary by Wade Johnson)
http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigra (http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigra) ... y_act.html
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Since when has the Constitution demanded we give citizenship to anyone that shows up?
No the Constitution doesn't but technically if the pregnant illegal woman comes over and gives birth on American soil, then that baby automatically becomes a U.S. citizen born on U.S. soil??
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No the Constitution doesn't but technically if the pregnant illegal woman comes over and gives birth on American soil, then that baby automatically becomes a U.S. citizen born on U.S. soil??
Patently untrue!
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My opinion...…………...IF the President 'won' this one...……...America lost it's soul.
YOU..support ANTI-AMERICANS? 4 COMMUNISTS? TWO, WHO SUPPORT THE KORAN & SHARIA LAW? YOU ARE LOST.
@LegalAmerican
@Rivergirl
Four Republicans voted to rebuke the President for his racism. Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fred Upton of Michigan, Will Hurd of Texas and Susan Brooks of Indiana...as did Justin Amash. LA would have you believe they just decided to side with Anti-Americans over our righteous, innocent, and certainly NOT sowing the divisive seeds of xenophobia President. More contemptible LA has now besmirched Rivergirl being on the Anti-American side.
Nov 2020 is a long ways away but the GOP has turned very ugly. I'm long past supporting them, and I'm now asking myself how ugly I'm willing to lazily do nothing more than talk. If I find myself voting next year it will be becuse you helped motivate me @LegalAmerican because I want to send a message that what you view as Anti-American is my refusal to concede that the America I love is gone.
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The attacks, insults, and utter stupidity of those insults does nothing but inspire me to continue to speak up and speak out. There is nothing on this earth that would allow me to approve of this president or this republican party.
This president used the occasion of the death of Justice Stevens to hurl more insults at the congresswomen, and Mueller. In what world do his supporters and defenders live that this is acceptable behavior while on his way to pay his 'respects' to the Justice.
Not a minute goes by that he does not behave in a reprehensible manner.
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In what world do his supporters and defenders live that this is acceptable behavior while on his way to pay his 'respects' to the Justice.
We live in a world where if the Democrats win in 2020, free political speech may be squelched with Democrat appointments to the FEC, Dem pols likely will pressure "private" companies like Google, Facebook, etc., to censor views with which Democrats don't agree, Supreme Court appointments may lead to an overturning of Citizens United, colleges unconstrained by the Justice Department are more likely to suppress conservative speech, left-wing cities will become further emboldened to permit leftist gangs to assault people engaging in free speech/assembly of which they do not approve, and Dems likely will push through immigration "reforms" that grant citizenship and voting rights to millions of illegals in key swing states -- enough to permanently alter the electoral map.
We live in a world where if Democrats win in 2020, it may well be the last free and fair Presidential election we will ever see.
So if you're wondering why some people can still support Trump's re-election despite the reality that he sometimes says very offensive things...that's why. Because the only realistic alternative is much, much worse.
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:bs:
This president used the occasion of the death of Justice Stevens to hurl more insults at the congresswomen, and Mueller.
THIS POST is absolute :bs: @Rivergirl The President tweeted his opinions an hour before arriving at the Supreme Court .... he did NOT "use the occasion of the death of Justice Stevens" to do anything.
Maybe you should consider broadening your information horizons beyond Politico.
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THIS POST is absolute :bs: @Rivergirl The President tweeted his opinions an hour before arriving at the Supreme Court .... he did NOT "use the occasion of the death of Justice Stevens" to do anything.
Maybe you should consider broadening your information horizons beyond Politico.
@Right_in_Virginia @Rivergirl
She knows,and doesn't care because she has an agenda she is working.
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@Right_in_Virginia @Rivergirl
She knows,and doesn't care because she has an agenda she is working.
Yup, she sure does. @sneakypete
But there are some statements I just can't let stand as fact. wink777
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YOU..support ANTI-AMERICANS? 4 COMMUNISTS? TWO, WHO SUPPORT THE KORAN & SHARIA LAW? YOU ARE LOST.
Once again, you come on this forum on the attack against those who don't bow down to your master.
@Rivergirl said what many rational, moral Conservatives are saying.
These words are a loss for Trump, and a loss for America in both the short and long run.
As for America's soul........... I believe it was finally lost when morality and character were no longer requirements for EITHER party in their Presidential nominee.
But it began long before that. We're just seeing the full blown disease before our eyes in the 21st century.
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@LegalAmerican
@Rivergirl
Four Republicans voted to rebuke the President for his racism. Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fred Upton of Michigan, Will Hurd of Texas and Susan Brooks of Indiana...as did Justin Amash. LA would have you believe they just decided to side with Anti-Americans over our righteous, innocent, and certainly NOT sowing the divisive seeds of xenophobia President. More contemptible LA has now besmirched Rivergirl being on the Anti-American side.
Nov 2020 is a long ways away but the GOP has turned very ugly. I'm long past supporting them, and I'm now asking myself how ugly I'm willing to lazily do nothing more than talk. If I find myself voting next year it will be becuse you helped motivate me @LegalAmerican because I want to send a message that what you view as Anti-American is my refusal to concede that the America I love is gone.
Newsflash for you and others here that are hating on the GOP. The GOP is all we have. If the Democrats win next year.... the Democrats who now represent the extreme radical leftists (Hint: Communists) that seek to either destroy America from within or from without, whichever comes first.... then the America that we all loved will be gone. Dispute that.... if you can.
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Newsflash for you and others here that are hating on the GOP. The GOP is all we have. If the Democrats win next year.... the Democrats who now represent the extreme radical leftists (Hint: Communists) that seek to either destroy America from within or from without, whichever comes first.... then the America that we all loved will be gone. Dispute that.... if you can.
If the GOP is all we have, then we have nothing. It stands for nothing. It stands up to no one. It is weak and flaccid.
There is no place for a large group of us in the Trump GOPe.
(And the country we all loved is already gone).
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Once again, you come on this forum on the attack against those who don't bow down to your master.
@Rivergirl said what many rational, moral Conservatives are saying.
These words are a loss for Trump, and a loss for America in both the short and long run.
As for America's soul........... I believe it was finally lost when morality and character were no longer requirements for EITHER party in their Presidential nominee.
@musiclady
True,what we REALLY need is a Catholic Priest to run the country and add some much-needed morality,huh?
Or if you don't like Catholics,how about Jimmy Swaggart? Is he still alive?
Maybe we can replace Congress with the 700 Club?
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If the GOP is all we have, then we have nothing. It stands for nothing. It stands up to no one. It is weak and flaccid.
There is no place for a large group of us in the Trump GOPe.
(And the country we all loved is already gone).
Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
@XenaLee @musiclady
Truth to tell,it was the spinless alleged Republicans that got us to where we are. You can't really blame the Dims for being Dim. That's like blaming a snake for being poisonous. You blame the guy that brought the snake into the house.
Done for now. Off to a doctors appointment.
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
And, in fact, the GOP will NEVER be what it should be. An creation of man will always be imperfect. People can wait around for the perfect vessel, but it ain't gonna happen in the here and now.
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@XenaLee @musiclady
Truth to tell,it was the spinless alleged Republicans that got us to where we are. You can't really blame the Dims for being Dim. That's like blaming a snake for being poisonous. You blame the guy that brought the snake into the house.
Done for now. Off to a doctors appointment.
@sneakypete I hope all goes well with the doc.
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@XenaLee @musiclady
Truth to tell,it was the spinless alleged Republicans that got us to where we are. You can't really blame the Dims for being Dim. That's like blaming a snake for being poisonous. You blame the guy that brought the snake into the house.
Done for now. Off to a doctors appointment.
But how fricking stupid would you have to be.... to allow the snakes to take over the house (or in this case, the entire country). They're already halfway there.... so I see voting GOP next year as our ONLY chance to stave off their takeover. I respectfully ask....
so are you "also" advocating for not voting for the GOP next year... and just letting the snakes "have at it"? If so... W T F ???
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
Whats really ironic to me about this endless garment rending concerning the lost GOP (BTW it has been for decades now although the bellowing seems to have gotten much louder over the past two years) is there are a couple of keys areas I finally see some positive movement. Go figger.
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Whats really ironic to me about this endless garment rending concerning the lost GOP (BTW it has been for decades now although the bellowing seems to have gotten much louder over the past two years), there are a couple of keys areas I finally see some positive movement. Go figger.
Being a fiscal conservative, I see a whole helluva lot wrong with the GOP and/or with Trump. But I see this next election as a "have no choice" at this point in our impending demise. If the rats get back in power... we are toast, done, finished as a free nation. Their veils and masks are off and their ugly commie colors are shining through, finally. Anyone that doesn't see that, realize it or face it is (and I'm being nice here) too stupid for words.
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Being a fiscal conservative, I see a whole helluva lot wrong with the GOP and/or with Trump. But I see this next election as a "have no choice" at this point in our impending demise. If the rats get back in power... we are toast, done, finished as a free nation. Their veils and masks are off and their ugly commie colors are shining through, finally. Anyone that doesn't see that, realize it or face it is (and I'm being nice here) too stupid for words.
No doubt some sincerely believe they are being true to some personal morality. They are misguided.
Others, the George Will establishment types, are self interested and are just being dishonest. A pox on them.
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No doubt some sincerely believe they are being true to some personal morality. They are misguided.
Others, the George Will establishment types, are self interested and are just being dishonest. A pox on them.
And the RL is counting on both of these types (as you mentioned above) to help them seize power next year. I, for one, will not be contributing to that effort of theirs. I'll hold my nose and vote GOP.
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
Sure, when you say it—you’re right. But, when I say it, I’m a brown nosing TRUMP sycophant.
The truth is the truth no matter who says it.
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Sure, when you say it—you’re right. But, when I say it, I’m a brown nosing TRUMP sycophant.
The truth is the truth no matter who says it.
Yes, the truth is the truth. Some posters have established a certain level of credibility by being fair and objective.
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Sure, when you say it—you’re right. But, when I say it, I’m a brown nosing TRUMP sycophant.
The truth is the truth no matter who says it.
And I value truth above all else. Which is why we have to get past all the BS. It's our only chance for survival as a free nation. Seriously.
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Yes, the truth is the truth. Some posters have established a certain level of credibility by being fair and objective.
You demure from finishing that thought. Subtle. And cleaver and above board :beer:
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now. This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
Your first question is ridiculous. It's based on the premise that not voting for the (useless) GOPe is "doing nothing."
And that is not correct.
As for blaming people who will not support the corrupt GOPe as being responsible for what the vile left has done and will continue doing, that is beyond the pale.
And if you think standing strong for morality and conservatism is "in between," I will strongly disagree.
In my view, it is Trump and his GOPe, who are "in between" in the no-man's land between the radical left and where we OUGHT to be as Constitutional, moral and fiscal Conservatives.
But I will not lower myself to accuse you, when you vote for Trump, as voting for the further destruction of the country as you have done to me.
I know you are where you are because you love this country and have come to the conclusion that voting for the "in between" is what's best.
Have the decency to give the same credit to me because I too have come to the long thought out conclusion that my view is what is best and most patriotic. Leave out the vile accusations.
Thank you.
@XenaLee
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@musiclady
True,what we REALLY need is a Catholic Priest to run the country and add some much-needed morality,huh?
Or if you don't like Catholics,how about Jimmy Swaggart? Is he still alive?
Maybe we can replace Congress with the 700 Club?
This ^^^^^ is why I don't read, nor respond to most of your posts to me, @sneakypete
They are so stupid that I don't want to embarrass you by reposting them for all to see again.
If you start to actually think when you post to me instead of vomiting your "I hate morality" absurdity, give me a call.
Until then............ well, you just continue to make yourself look like a fool.
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THIS POST is absolute :bs: @Rivergirl The President tweeted his opinions an hour before arriving at the Supreme Court .... he did NOT "use the occasion of the death of Justice Stevens" to do anything.
Maybe you should consider broadening your information horizons beyond Politico.
Oh, it wasn't on the way to pay 'respects' it was an hour before. LOLOL...…..would be laughing if your defense of the tweeter wasn't so sad.
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Your first question is ridiculous. It's based on the premise that not voting for the (useless) GOPe is "doing nothing."
And that is not correct.
As for blaming people who will not support the corrupt GOPe as being responsible for what the vile left has done and will continue doing, that is beyond the pale.
And if you think standing strong for morality and conservatism is "in between," I will strongly disagree.
In my view, it is Trump and his GOPe, who are "in between" in the no-man's land between the radical left and where we OUGHT to be as Constitutional, moral and fiscal Conservatives.
But I will not lower myself to accuse you, when you vote for Trump, as voting for the further destruction of the country as you have done to me.
I know you are where you are because you love this country and have come to the conclusion that voting for the "in between" is what's best.
Have the decency to give the same credit to me because I too have come to the long thought out conclusion that my view is what is best and most patriotic. Leave out the vile accusations.
Thank you.
@XenaLee
I have my opinion. You have yours. Let's just leave it at that, ok?
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I have my opinion. You have yours. Let's just leave it at that, ok?
Yes, but my opinion does not accuse you of siding with, nor enabling the enemy.
I suggest that you leave off the accusations of others when stating your opinion.
How about we leave it at THAT?
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Being a fiscal conservative, I see a whole helluva lot wrong with the GOP and/or with Trump. But I see this next election as a "have no choice" at this point in our impending demise.
Aren't they all, though?
Every single election for the last 50 years was the one that mattered most, wherein one must vote against the evil which would otherwise come. So pull the big red rhinestone lever.
That is by far and away the means by which the lesser evil advances, and make no mistake, lesser evil is what has brought us right here - Not the evil inherent in socialism/communism, but rather, that which allows it to grow... The lack of opposition. The fear of communism is what has filled the Republican party with global socialists. The fear based vote is what causes one not to stand upon what one believes.
And if !YOU! will not stand for what you believe, who do you suppose will?
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Yes, but my opinion does not accuse you of siding with, nor enabling the enemy.
I suggest that you leave off the accusations of others when stating your opinion.
How about we leave it at THAT?
First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.
But, you're not being exactly fair here. You said: "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "
Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?
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And I value truth above all else. Which is why we have to get past all the BS. It's our only chance for survival as a free nation. Seriously.
The truth is that the problem is continuing to support that which is abominable - from either side.
Seriously.
Where the Republicans are going, or have already gone, there is little difference from democrats.
When you have sacrificed absolutely everything to beat them - when you get right into the same evil fighting them as they are using to fight you - What then is the difference?
Truly, there is none.
Republicans have already thrown away civil libertarianism, long ago.
Now they have thrown away fiscal conservatism wholesale, and moral certitude along with it.
At what point do you finally wake up and ask what the hell you are fighting *for*?
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Yes, but my opinion does not accuse you of siding with, nor enabling the enemy.
I suggest that you leave off the accusations of others when stating your opinion.
How about we leave it at THAT?
Whatev.
I won't apologize for seeing this issue the way I see it. It's just that serious an issue... ie the future of our nation in the hands of the radical leftists vs. 'not' in the hands of the radical left. It's just that simple (not rocket science) an issue to me.
So I guess that "agree to disagree' is no mas, eh? lol
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First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.
But, you're not being exactly fair here. You said: "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "
Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?
Um... no. You're quoting me there, not musiclady. Are you ok?
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Your first question is ridiculous. It's based on the premise that not voting for the (useless) GOPe is "doing nothing."
And that is not correct.
Exactly right! Voting *FOR* the (useless) GOP is doing nothing. Continuing to support uselessness is the problem. That is not 'fighting' anything.
BRAVA!
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You demure from finishing that thought. Subtle. And cleaver and above board :beer:
Cleavers cut sharply. :beer:
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The truth is that the problem is continuing to support that which is abominable - from either side.
Seriously.
Where the Republicans are going, or have already gone, there is little difference from democrats.
When you have sacrificed absolutely everything to beat them - when you get right into the same evil fighting them as they are using to fight you - What then is the difference?
Truly, there is none.
Republicans have already thrown away civil libertarianism, long ago.
Now they have thrown away fiscal conservatism wholesale, and moral certitude along with it.
At what point do you finally wake up and ask what the hell you are fighting *for*?
At no point, since I know what the hell I'm voting (fighting) for. I'm voting to NOT hand over the reigns of this nation (again) to the radical Obama/Soros leftists who will succeed in destroying us from within if they get their power back. And if enough people sit on their ass and not vote against them (by voting GOP) next year, that will happen. Again, I don't apologize for how I see this issue. It is what it is.
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Um... no. You're quoting me there, not musiclady. Are you ok?
You are correct.
And, I'm fine, thank you.
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You are correct.
And, I'm fine, thank you.
Just checkin. :laugh:
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Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady. Is that your plan?
I don't have to vote for bad people, and neither do you. Our votes don't really matter that much. We aren't going to break any ties.
Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now.
Before I met my wife, I broke up with a girl. She told me I would never find a girl like her again. I thought that was bizarre. I didn't want her...why would I want someone just like her? I think Trump is a destructive force and the GOP will do anything to excuse him because he is all they have right now. If one of my daughters marries a man who physicaly beats her I would not offer the advice "He's all you got sweetie."
This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015.
Big bad communist boogey men like our American allies Putin and Kin Jong Un
If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so. It's an either/or scenario. There is no "in between".
I could not possibly vote for Trump. Every deplorable thing he says is a distraction from the deplorable things he does.
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At no point, since I know what the hell I'm voting (fighting) for. I'm voting to NOT hand over the reigns of this nation (again) to the radical Obama/Soros leftists who will succeed in destroying us from within if they get their power back.
... by turning the GOP into the very same thing, and with your endorsement.
And if enough people sit on their ass and not vote against them (by voting GOP) next year, that will happen. Again, I don't apologize for how I see this issue. It is what it is.
And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.
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The problem is not, and never really has been, the "GOPe". The problem is the voters who refuse to nominate and elect conservative Republicans. There is a chunk of maybe 35-40 Republican Senators who are more or less reliably conservatives, generally sent to D.C. by voters from conservative states. But then there are non-conservative voters in places like Maine who won't elect conservatives, or like the people in Arizona who kept sending McCain back. Or voters elsewhere who vote for a congenial, moderate Republican rather than a tough conservative.
If people want to get mad, get mad at their fellow voters. Don't get mad at a party that is nothing more than an aggregation of the people elected by the voters around the country.
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I don't have to vote for bad people, and neither do you. Our votes don't really matter that much. We aren't going to break any ties.
If enough people think like that and act on that kind of thinking, the reigns WILL be handed back to the radical extremist left again. That's what gave control of the House to them last year, after all. Which is resulting in the ongoing invasion by illegals, among other disastrous effects. And that's a fact.
Before I met my wife, I broke up with a girl. She told me I would never find a girl like her again. I thought that was bizarre. I didn't want her...why would I want someone just like her? I think Trump is a destructive force and the GOP will do anything to excuse him because he is all they have right now. If one of my daughters marries a man who physicaly beats her I would not offer the advice "He's all you got sweetie."
Yeah, well... that analogy doesn't fly. We're in a fight for our lives and future here against the radical left in America. And yeah, the GOP IS all we've got currently, since we are a 2-party system whether we like it or not (which I don't). Reality sucks. And bites.
Big bad communist boogey men like our American allies Putin and Kin Jong Un
No ... commies like Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, most of the media, most in academia, most in control of our biggest cities and every damned Democrat I can think of. Marxists, all. But nice attempt to make 'lite' of the problem we're facing.
I could not possibly vote for Trump. Every deplorable thing he says is a distraction from the deplorable things he does.
So don't. I figure you'll be just fine if Trump loses. Amirite?
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... by turning the GOP into the very same thing, and with your endorsement.
And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.
My vote is against the Democrats, the radical leftists, Obama, Soros & Co. and every other swingin dyck leftist in America. It has nothing to do with any "endorsement". It's a vote for our nation's survival.
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Yeah, well... that analogy doesn't fly. We're in a fight for our lives and future here against the radical left in America. And yeah, the GOP IS all we've got currently, since we are a 2-party system whether we like it or not (which I don't). Reality sucks. And bites.
My analogy is perfect. Some people are saying it is the best analogy in the history of analogies. Battered wives are often in a fight for their lives. Sometimes they are too stupid or too cowed to leave.
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First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.
But, you're not being exactly fair here. You said: "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "
Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?
Yes. That is precisely what that quote is doing, and why I asked @XenaLee not to make statements like that in the future.
It does absolutely NO good to accuse other Conservatives of supporting the enemy because they decide they cannot vote for Trump's GOPe.
(I see that Xena corrected you earlier, but am adding my thought as well. The accusations of those of us who cannot support Trump for well thought out, conservative reasons as supporting the enemy need to stop, and need to stop NOW).
@Sanguine
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My vote is against the Democrats, the radical leftists, Obama, Soros & Co. and every other swingin dyck leftist in America. It has nothing to do with any "endorsement". It's a vote for our nation's survival.
As is my vote.
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As is my vote.
Which, like your opinion, you are entitled to.
As I am to mine. happy77
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Whatev.
I won't apologize for seeing this issue the way I see it. It's just that serious an issue... ie the future of our nation in the hands of the radical leftists vs. 'not' in the hands of the radical left. It's just that simple (not rocket science) an issue to me.
So I guess that "agree to disagree' is no mas, eh? lol
I don't ask you to apologize for the way you see the issue. I'm not even asking that you apologize for your accusations of other conservatives.
I'm just asking for it to stop.
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Which, like your opinion, you are entitled to.
As I am to mine. happy77
A point with which I never disagreed.
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Exactly right! Voting *FOR* the (useless) GOP is doing nothing. Continuing to support uselessness is the problem. That is not 'fighting' anything.
BRAVA!
Thank you.
But if one believes that tweeting insults is "fighting," then it is difficult to make the point that voting for him is also not fighting.
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And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.
Does your state permit you to vote in the Republican primary even if you are not a registered Republican?
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I don't ask you to apologize for the way you see the issue. I'm not even asking that you apologize for your accusations of other conservatives.
I'm just asking for it to stop.
Lol. I'm not accusing other "conservatives" of anything. I am merely stating a fact....
that not voting against the rats by voting for the GOP will probably, most likely, hand the reigns of power back to the leftists. It's the logical end result of what happens... just like how it happened when the control of the House was given to the Pelosi rats in 2018. It's called reality.
At any rate, I'm entitled to state that fact here, despite any discomfort it might create for those not voting for the GOP. So no, I don't believe that I need to "stop".... this being a Conservative (not leftist/Democrat) forum.
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A point with which I never disagreed.
Cool. So we agree on one thing today, at least. lol
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Lol. I'm not accusing other "conservatives" of anything. I am merely stating a fact....
that not voting against the rats by voting for the GOP will probably, most likely, hand the reigns of power back to the leftists. It's the logical end result of what happens... just like how it happened when the control of the House was given to the Pelosi rats in 2018. It's called reality.
At any rate, I'm entitled to state that fact here, despite any discomfort it might create for those not voting for the GOP. So no, I don't believe that I need to "stop".... this being a Conservative (not leftist/Democrat) forum.
What you have stated is an opinion and not a "fact."
Nor is the accusation that others who are patriotic Conservatives who have loved this country as long, or longer than you have, and have made a thoughtful decision that voting for Trump is not in the best interest of the country we love, are supporting the Dems. It is just your opinion.
And it is incorrect.
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Cool. So we agree on one thing today, at least. lol
And we both love this country dearly...................... or what is left of it.
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What you have stated is an opinion and not a "fact."
Nor is the accusation that others who are patriotic Conservatives who have loved this country as long, or longer than you have, and have made a thoughtful decision that voting for Trump is not in the best interest of the country we love, are supporting the Dems. It is just your opinion.
And it is incorrect.
Well, what is a fact is that the fewer people that vote for Trump, the more likely it is that Warren, or Sanders, or Buttigieg, or Biden will win. Those who argue for and encourage other people not to vote for Trump are making it even more likely that one of those Democrats will win. That also is a fact.
However, whether or not encouraging people not to vote for Trump amounts to "support" for those Democrats is a matter of opinion and/or semantics.
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Well, what is a fact is that the fewer people that vote for Trump, the more likely it is that Warren, or Sanders, or Buttigieg, or Biden will win. Those who argue for and encourage other people not to vote for Trump are making it even more likely that one of those Democrats will win. That also is a fact.
However, whether or not encouraging people not to vote for Trump amounts to "support" for those Democrats is a matter of opinion and/or semantics.
In 2016, I hated Hillary, and did not vote for Trump (in a swing state).
Hillary did not win.
That is also a fact, is it not?
If one states one's view that his or her conscience has not changed since 2016, and again will not vote for Trump, it is not a matter of "opinion and/or semantics" to make the accusation that he or she is supporting the Dems.
It is patently false.
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I personally try to look at every race on my ballot objectively and vote for the most conservative person available in every single one of them.
I only get to vote in exactly four federal races (President, Two senators, and one congressman) and not all of those in the same election year. Sometimes it's three, other times only two and I make my selections in those races based on the results I have seen from them as individual members, not what they tweet or say is slick campaign ads.
As of today, I fully intend to vote for President Trump in 2020 and hope that someone shows up on the scene who can defeat my worthless Senator (John Cornyn) and Congressman (Kevin Brady). I will NOT vote for any Democrat in any race at any level.
My current state rep is a Democrat who ran as a Republican only because he knew he could not win here as a Democrat but he votes with them at every turn when the legislature is in secession so no vote from me for him under any condition.
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My vote is against the Democrats, the radical leftists, Obama, Soros & Co. and every other swingin dyck leftist in America. It has nothing to do with any "endorsement". It's a vote for our nation's survival.
@XenaLee
Sorry darlin. You cannot vote 'against'. Your vote is an endorsement. You are voting *for*.
And that's nothing but a fact.
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@XenaLee
Sorry darlin. You cannot vote 'against'. Your vote is an endorsement. You are voting *for*.
And that's nothing but a fact.
Oh, hell, no! I voted against Hillary last time around.
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Does your state permit you to vote in the Republican primary even if you are not a registered Republican?
Yes, we have an open primary.
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Oh, hell, no! I voted against Hillary last time around.
As did I! And as I will against my current state rep who CALLS himself a Republican.
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If one states one's view that his or her conscience has not changed since 2016, and again will not vote for Trump, it is not a matter of "opinion and/or semantics" to make the accusation that he or she is supporting the Dems.
It is patently false.
Here is what I actually said:
However, whether or not encouraging people not to vote for Trump amounts to "support" for those Democrats is a matter of opinion and/or semantics.
I did not say that that it was "opinion and/or semantics" as to whether merely refraining from voting yourself was "support" for Democrats.
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In 2016, I hated Hillary, and did not vote for Trump (in a swing state).
Hillary did not win.
That is also a fact, is it not?
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It is more of a historical anecdote that may, or may not, have any bearing on 2020.
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Oh, hell, no! I voted against Hillary last time around.
Nope. That is a categorical error... Your endorsement, I assume, went into Tumpy the Clown's column. That is voting *for*.
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In other news...all posted on TBR
Trump slams Tlaib as 'lunatic' over resurfaced protest video
Senate confirms Esper to be Trump's defense chief
Conservatives erupt in outrage against budget deal
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So you didn't vote for him, conservative on finance issues, liberal on social issues and we who voted for him racked up wins, you didn't, you abandoned the cause and that's a fact. No time to wallow in my self-importance, we are always a generation away from losing our freedoms. This just gives us a respite for a time.
Sure, go ahead with your great opinion, I didn't vote for Trump to avoid nuclear war, I didn't vote for Trump, I found that to be more important than the rights of the unborn.
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Here is what I actually said:
I did not say that that it was "opinion and/or semantics" as to whether merely refraining from voting yourself was "support" for Democrats.
Aha............... using semantics to make your point.
So I may refrain from voting for Trump, but I may not tell anyone that I am not, nor why I am not?
Is that where your line is drawn?
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It is more of a historical anecdote that may, or may not, have any bearing on 2020.
You may diminish the truth of what happened to an "historical anecdote," but that does not change the FACT that my vote for a third party (Conservative) candidate did not result in the election of Hillary Clinton.
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Oh, hell, no! I voted against Hillary last time around.
As did I.
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@musiclady
True,what we REALLY need is a Catholic Priest to run the country and add some much-needed morality,huh?
Or if you don't like Catholics,how about Jimmy Swaggart? Is he still alive?
Maybe we can replace Congress with the 700 Club?
Just want to make one more point to illustrate how abjectly ignorant your knee jerk response to me was.
Many in the so-called "evangelical religious right," are basically demanding that Christians vote FOR Trump. They are pretty much looking at him as the Messiah.
IOW, they are at polar opposites with me on this subject, and love Trump (much as you do, albeit for slightly different reasons).
ERGO, my call for a return to a morality (as in George Washington's, John Adams' and James Madison's view) and your subsequent response with some gobbledygook about the 700 club, makes you look even worse.
Inform yourself before you go on the attack, @sneakypete .
It might prevent such silliness on your part in the future.
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Aha............... using semantics to make your point.
So I may refrain from voting for Trump, but I may not tell anyone that I am not, nor why I am not?
Is that where your line is drawn?
No, you are absolutely free to tell anyone you want why you didn't vote for Trump. Free country and all that, and that's true regardless of what I or anyone else says.
But if you choose to advocate in favor of others not voting for Trump, then the question of whether or not you are helping to elect his general election opponent is within the realm of reasonable opinion. I mean, if I was trying to convince people that they should vote for Trump, wouldn't it be fair to say that I was helping him get elected? Seems reasonable to say that if someone is trying to convince people not to vote for Trump, that they are helping his opponent get elected. Doesn't seem far off.
Again, I'm not saying that refusing to vote yourself for the guy is helping the Democrat. I don't think that is. But I do believe advocacy that others shouldn't vote for him either seems to cross the line into helping elect the Democrat.
Feels free to disagree -- as I said, it's just opinion.
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My dear @musiclady --- please stop begging for dispensation. It's becoming painful to read,
Truth: You are going to vote your conscience as is every other member of this Forum. There will be discussions about the choices -- that's what we do here; so brace yourself.
Apparently, you see your choice as a badge of honor. That's great, but expecting others to come by and shine it for you--- is simply a bit much.
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In other news...all posted on TBR
Trump slams Tlaib as 'lunatic' over resurfaced protest video (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,369471.msg2016232.html#msg2016232)
Senate confirms Esper to be Trump's defense chief (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,369472.msg2016242.html#msg2016242)
Conservatives erupt in outrage against budget deal (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,369469.msg2016189.html#msg2016189)
Hi all!!
I provided links to the above stories, to give y'all something to read while this thread is locked for an hour or five....
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OK, I'm unlocking this tread now. Please don't keep fighting each other, or at least come up with some fresh arguments!
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Ping @Bigun
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Joshua went up to him and asked, "Are you one of us or one of our enemies?"
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No, you are absolutely free to tell anyone you want why you didn't vote for Trump. Free country and all that, and that's true regardless of what I or anyone else says.
But if you choose to advocate in favor of others not voting for Trump, then the question of whether or not you are helping to elect his general election opponent is within the realm of reasonable opinion. I mean, if I was trying to convince people that they should vote for Trump, wouldn't it be fair to say that I was helping him get elected? Seems reasonable to say that if someone is trying to convince people not to vote for Trump, that they are helping his opponent get elected. Doesn't seem far off.
Again, I'm not saying that refusing to vote yourself for the guy is helping the Democrat. I don't think that is. But I do believe advocacy that others shouldn't vote for him either seems to cross the line into helping elect the Democrat.
Feels free to disagree -- as I said, it's just opinion.
Thanks for opening this back up, @Cyber Liberty . @Maj. Bill Martin and I were having (at least in my view) a good discussion, and I would like it to continue. (Don't worry about me and RiV - she's on my Ignore list......... Actually, she's the ONLY one on it! happy77 . Not only do I not respond to her...... I don't even see what she says!)
Back to the discussion. You make some good points, Maj. Bill, and I understand them because I was there as recently as 2012 when I truly believed that voting for Romney was necessary because ousting Obama was the priority (you can see how well THAT worked out!)
Pulling myself out of the discussion (since I'm not trying to persuade anyone in particular, and I understand why some among us feel that they have to choice about voting for Trump because the left is so bad. I GET that), I see your point about the belief that some of you have that those who vocally oppose Trump are encouraging voting for the Dem.
But other than perhaps one person here, I don't see anyone doing that. I certainly am not.
And since this is a discussion board for Conservatives, stating one's views that there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the two parties and that one's conscience will not allow one to vote for someone who doesn't reflect his or her values, can in NO way be perceived as supporting the Democrats and "doing nothing" to stem the tide of the downfall of this once great nation.
I believe that voting for Trump is indeed supporting the downfall and that that position is more dangerous to the Republic than voting third party.
I expect others to disagree because I, like you, once believed that there were only two choices.
I just no longer believe that the outcome I desire........ that is a return to the values and standards this country was founded upon....... can be served well by my vote for either candidate, D, or R.
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I want to take this opportunity to say that <unnecessary and pointless insult> and Cruzers are the most brilliant people to ever populate this planet. :smokin:
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I want to take this opportunity to say that <unnecessary and pointless insult> and Cruzers are the most brilliant people to ever populate this planet. :smokin:
22222frying pan ****slapping :chairbang: :chairbang: 333cleo 333cleo
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Please refrain from 'stirring the pot' @corbe the next lock could be you instead of this thread.
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But how fricking stupid would you have to be.... to allow the snakes to take over the house (or in this case, the entire country). They're already halfway there.... so I see voting GOP next year as our ONLY chance to stave off their takeover. I respectfully ask....
so are you "also" advocating for not voting for the GOP next year... and just letting the snakes "have at it"? If so... W T F ???
@XenaLee
Wrong on all counts. I am merely outlining the problem because NO problem can be fixed until you understand what is wrong with it.
Retail politics begin at home. If you encourage "American First!" citizens to run for public office and support them,this is one case where the "water" WILL flow uphill. Don't believe me,just recall the panic amongst the RINO's and their butt-buddy Dim pals when Newt Gingrich lead the effort to take over Congress,and did. What was it,the first time in over 40 years the Dims weren't in charge of Congress and passing their agendas at will? Suddenly there was panic all over.
Sadly,it seems like almost all the online Republicans at the web sites I visited were instantly convinced all the Dims suddenly changing party affiliation to Republican were sincere converts,and not weasels changing party because if they didn't they would have to find actual jobs. Within less than two years these traitors took over control of Congress again,and even got Newt kicked out of office for an "offense" that SHOULD have been no more serious than a 50 dollar fine.
I AM advocating voting for Republican candidates,but not just because they are Republican,but because they believe America is and should remain a Republic. Any Republican that holds office that doesn't agree to toe the party line should be told in uncertain terms that he or she will be out of office come the next election.
It means taking time to explain WHY the Dims are evil and what the evil deeds are they have done,as well as the evil deeds they promoted and weren't able to get passed into law. I just explained a BUNCH of stuff to a local business owner yesterday who wasn't even aware of the minimum wage being raised to 15 bucks an hour. He was too busy working 16 hour days running his business and taking care of this home,his family,and his personal finances. You should have seen how big his eyes got when it dawned on him how much he would have to pay the mechanics that work for him and how high he will have to raise his shop rates to keep up with inflation. He has worked years to get himself in the position he is in now,and this one act alone can put him out of business and on welfare himself. He will lose everything he has spent over 20 years building.
Yeah,I think it is safe to assume he will finally register to vote and will be voting Republican next election.
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I want to take this opportunity to say that <unnecessary and pointless insult> and Cruzers are the most brilliant people to ever populate this planet. :smokin:
No fair, Mods. Corbe told a funny and I didn't get to see it.
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No fair, Mods. Corbe told a funny and I didn't get to see it.
Pity. It was a good one. 888mouth
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The child in the cage speaks to me. I will never vote for anyone who defends that treatment or wishes to send him and/or his family back.
The refugees are not using up my air, my job, my rights, my space, my food, or anything else of mine. It's all been gifted to me by G-D. That is where I am coming from and those who think they gain more by giving others less are not people I wish to know.
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Guilty as Charged, it was something about Trumpers and according to Mod8 it got 2 reports within 10 minutes.
(S)he didn't fall for my 'non malicious' argument, I need to come up with a new spiel, apparently.
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The child in the cage speaks to me. I will never vote for anyone who defends that treatment or wishes to send him and/or his family back.
The refugees are not using up my air, my job, my rights, my space, my food, or anything else of mine. It's all been gifted to me by G-D. That is where I am coming from and those who think they gain more by giving others less are not people I wish to know.
Really? Because that's not a photo of a child in a cage having been separated by ICE or anyone else. You have to be careful with @Once-Ler's graphics. I didn't think anyone would fall for it or I would have found the references earlier.
...the photograph was taken on 10 June 2018, but it did not show a child confined by immigration authorities to a cage. Rather, it was snapped during a protest staged in front of Dallas City Hall...several commenters noted that the boy was crying not because he was confined, but because he saw his mother outside the pen and could not immediately figure out how to get to her....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/)
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Guilty as Charged, it was something about Trumpers and according to Mod8 it got 2 reports within 10 minutes.
(S)he didn't fall for my 'non malicious' argument, I need to come up with a new spiel, apparently.
(S)he was just trying to make you feel good @corbe.
When I made my way to the Mod Desk to file my report on your post, they told me that I was too late... already had 15 reports within 5 minutes... I crumpled it up and threw it on the ground... that's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back.... dang form is 4 pages long now....
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Really? Because that's not a photo of a child in a cage having been separated by ICE or anyone else. You have to be careful with @Once-Ler's graphics. I didn't think anyone would fall for it or I would have found the references earlier.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/)
@Sanguine
Thank you for correcting me. I was not aware the photo was staged.
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@Sanguine
Thank you for correcting me. I was not aware the photo was staged.
Then you probably shouldn't have posted it.
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@Sanguine
Thank you for correcting me. I was not aware the photo was staged.
But you were aware that it fit your template.
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@Sanguine
Thank you for correcting me. I was not aware the photo was staged.
I'm sorry I missed your post.
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But you were aware that it fit your template.
888high58888
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Just want to make one more point to illustrate how abjectly ignorant your knee jerk response to me was.
@musiclady
The only ignorance you highlight is your own,which seems endless.
Many in the so-called "evangelical religious right," are basically demanding that Christians vote FOR Trump. They are pretty much looking at him as the Messiah.
ROFLMAO! The Moral Minority hate him with a passion.
IOW, they are at polar opposites with me on this subject, and love Trump (much as you do, albeit for slightly different reasons).
More proof of your ignorance. I not only don't love him,I don't even like him and didn't decide to vote for him until the night before the election.
ERGO, my call for a return to a morality (as in George Washington's, John Adams' and James Madison's view) and your subsequent response with some gobbledygook about the 700 club, makes you look even worse.
Onward Christian Nazi's!
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Then you probably shouldn't have posted it.
I have failed you, myself, all Briefers, and America. 8888crybaby
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"Onward Christian Nazis?" That will be enough of that @sneakypete. This is your warning.
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I have failed you, myself, all Briefers, and America. 8888crybaby
Too late. You already had somebody believe your lie, and still does AFAIK.
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"Onward Christian Nazis?" That will be enough of that @sneakypete. This is your warning.
@Cyber Liberty
If you can't admit there is a group within the Christian faith that has an awful lot in common with the Nazi's,you probably don't have the judgement to be a moderator.
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@Cyber Liberty
If you can't admit there is a group within the Christian faith that has an awful lot in common with the Nazi's,you probably don't have the judgement to be a moderator.
I have the judgement to know when somebody is trolling someone. I only ask that you refrain.
TBR is not the place for historical theological discussion.
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Too late. You already had somebody believe your lie, and still does AFAIK.
Good News!!! I asked Jesus to forgive me and he said Yes!
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I have failed you, myself, all Briefers, and America. 8888crybaby
OK, that made me laugh. After all your nasty, depressing posts today you finally wrote a good one!
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OK, that made me laugh.
happy77
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Shall we pretend the picture of the child in the cage doesn't represent our current immigration policy?
Somehow we should all feel sooo much better now?
How disingenuous.
How shameful.
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Shall we pretend the picture of the child in the cage doesn't represent our current immigration policy?
Somehow we should all feel sooo much better now?
How disingenuous.
How shameful.
Although you have not mentioned a member by name you are insulting many on this forum. We all know how you feel you have told us many times...please move on!
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(https://patriot.imgix.net/9ca2ec1840e6044d0a7fbdb73d92f6e5e4d123335df60780210ac367b7058d46.jpg)
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More from 2014. Obviously Trump's fault.
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5b0dbccf1ae66230008b4fec-2000/ap809246232474.jpg)
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Jeh Johnson, Obama's Homeland Security chief, touring a detention facility. That Donald Trump is such a meanie.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3u3YhRWAAMRU1a.jpg)
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Shall we pretend the picture of the child in the cage doesn't represent our current immigration policy?
Somehow we should all feel sooo much better now?
How disingenuous.
How shameful.
You forgot the video of the Momma drinking toilet water.
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Shall we pretend the picture of the child in the cage doesn't represent our current immigration policy?
Somehow we should all feel sooo much better now?
How disingenuous.
How shameful.
Seriously? Using a staged picture is okay because...you want it to be? Good grief. You are correct - that is the definition of disingenuous and shameful.
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Funny how no one complained when Obama caged them indoors and set up porta-potties by their sleeping area.
(https://localtvwiti.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/immigration1.jpg)
No stories of guards making immigrants drink out of toilets back then because they didn't have toilets. But Trump's the bad guy.
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Using a staged picture is okay
Said nobody.
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Said nobody.
Don't cherry pick and take bits out of context. That's just not honest.
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Funny how no one complained when Obama caged them indoors and set up porta-potties by their sleeping area.
(https://localtvwiti.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/immigration1.jpg)
No stories of guards making immigrants drink out of toilets back then because they didn't have toilets. But Trump's the bad guy.
@Hoodat
How about we focus on cause and effect instead of politics?
Q: Why are these people in cages?
A: They are in cages because they illegally invaded our country,we don't know who they are,and we don't know for sure they didn't come here to murder people,set off bombs,or start fires. All we KNOW for a FACT is that they are criminals because they broke out laws. If they had remained at home and filed the paperwork necessary to come to America legally,they would not have been detained.
In other words,it is THEIR fault they are being locked away in cages,not ours for locking them up.
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@Hoodat
How about we focus on cause and effect instead of politics?
Q: Why are these people in cages?
A: They are in cages because they illegally invaded our country,we don't know who they are,and we don't know for sure they didn't come here to murder people,set off bombs,or start fires. All we KNOW for a FACT is that they are criminals because they broke out laws. If they had remained at home and filed the paperwork necessary to come to America legally,they would not have been detained.
In other words,it is THEIR fault they are being locked away in cages,not ours for locking them up.
Absolutely correct. What was true in 2014 is still true 5 years later.
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@Hoodat
How about we focus on cause and effect instead of politics?
lol. My photos happen to be genuine. If I was playing politics, I would have posted fake ones.
Q: Why are these people in cages?
A: They are in cages because they illegally invaded our country,we don't know who they are,and we don't know for sure they didn't come here to murder people,set off bombs,or start fires. All we KNOW for a FACT is that they are criminals because they broke out laws. If they had remained at home and filed the paperwork necessary to come to America legally,they would not have been detained.
In other words,it is THEIR fault they are being locked away in cages,not ours for locking them up.
Correctamundo. If cages make you shiver, then don't cross the river.
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With your permission @sneakypete I would add, as a group are being used by the left as a political football to get control of congress and the total power the want to control society.
Talk about shameful and dangerous people! Madam Speaker Cortez?!
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With your permission @sneakypete I would add, as a group are being used by the left as a political football to get control of congress and the total power the want to control society.
Talk about shameful and dangerous people! Madam Speaker Cortez?!
@aligncare
100 percent on-target.
BTW,you don't need my permission to add to or even try to take away from anything I write. If people don't speak their minds and share their thoughts,none of us will ever see all sides of any issue and be able to make an intelligent decision about the issue.
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Sorry to bring this thread close to topic ..... but I found this fascinating:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAMuqMWVAAAL3pS.jpg:small)
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Funny how no one complained when Obama caged them indoors and set up porta-potties by their sleeping area.
(https://localtvwiti.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/immigration1.jpg)
No stories of guards making immigrants drink out of toilets back then because they didn't have toilets. But Trump's the bad guy.
My understanding is that those nasty looking chain link fences were put in to protect minors in those facilities from predatory adults who might otherwise be able to access those kids at night, etc.. Doesn't look great, but I've had plenty of worse accommodations in my life.
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Pulling myself out of the discussion (since I'm not trying to persuade anyone in particular, and I understand why some among us feel that they have to choice about voting for Trump because the left is so bad. I GET that), I see your point about the belief that some of you have that those who vocally oppose Trump are encouraging voting for the Dem.
But other than perhaps one person here, I don't see anyone doing that. I certainly am not.
And since this is a discussion board for Conservatives, stating one's views that there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the two parties and that one's conscience will not allow one to vote for someone who doesn't reflect his or her values, can in NO way be perceived as supporting the Democrats and "doing nothing" to stem the tide of the downfall of this once great nation.
I pretty much agree with all of that. And I would probably go further -- that most of us are so entrenched in our positions on the wisdom of voting for Trump that it is unlikely in the extreme that any votes are going to be swayed simply by you stating the reasons for your position. So I don't believe that you refusing to vote for Trump is "supporting" the Democrat. Heck, I suspect that outside of this board, you likely suggest that other people not vote for the Democrat either!
However, there are some GOP politicians and pundits outside this board who essentially are encouraging other Republicans not to vote for Trump. You can usually tell who they are because they spend the vast majority of their efforts attacking Trump rather than the Dems, despite the fact that they are very public leaders within the party. I remember we had that one article by some alleged conservative pinned who actually urged Republicans to elect Democrats to Congress. So I believe all those people can be fairly accused of "supporting" Democrats. As distinct from private citizens such as yourself who are simply explaining your consciences. I do think you're wrong not to support Trump (as I'm sure you think my position is as well), but that's very different from being immoral or supporting immorality. It's really just doing the political calculus and coming up with different answers.
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To my recollection I have never mentioned by name any poster on this website.
If someone is uncomfortable with my opinions, that is on them, and you.
This is your game, feel free to tell me to back where I came from.
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To my recollection I have never mentioned by name any poster on this website.
If someone is uncomfortable with my opinions, that is on them, and you.
This is your game, feel free to tell me to back where I came from.
True, you just make general insults against anyone who supports the president.
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To my recollection I have never mentioned by name any poster on this website.
If someone is uncomfortable with my opinions, that is on them, and you.
This is your game, feel free to tell me to back where I came from.
I would say that DU misses you but I'm sure you report in regularly.
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I would say that DU misses you but I'm sure you report in regularly.
I'm sorry, @Bigun, but that's ridiculous.
The rule here is to argue with the poster's comments, not attack the poster. Obviously you disagree with things @Rivergirl says, but I've never seen anything that indicates she's a member of a Democrat website.
C'mon! That's a TOS throwback.
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I pretty much agree with all of that. And I would probably go further -- that most of us are so entrenched in our positions on the wisdom of voting for Trump that it is unlikely in the extreme that any votes are going to be swayed simply by you stating the reasons for your position. So I don't believe that you refusing to vote for Trump is "supporting" the Democrat. Heck, I suspect that outside of this board, you likely suggest that other people not vote for the Democrat either!
However, there are some GOP politicians and pundits outside this board who essentially are encouraging other Republicans not to vote for Trump. You can usually tell who they are because they spend the vast majority of their efforts attacking Trump rather than the Dems, despite the fact that they are very public leaders within the party. I remember we had that one article by some alleged conservative pinned who actually urged Republicans to elect Democrats to Congress. So I believe all those people can be fairly accused of "supporting" Democrats. As distinct from private citizens such as yourself who are simply explaining your consciences. I do think you're wrong not to support Trump (as I'm sure you think my position is as well), but that's very different from being immoral or supporting immorality. It's really just doing the political calculus and coming up with different answers.
I understand the distinction you're making between politicians and regular old people, and see your point on that, but I slightly disagree.
I don't believe that, if a person believes strongly about issues and character and disagrees with this, or any President, that they should be silenced. I don't believe that loyalty to the Party trumps adherence to values, and when this, or any President falls short of those values, I see no reason that any person, politician or not, should not be able to express that.
Obviously in politicians there are (always) ulterior motives, but I still don't believe that voicing strong disagreement with Trump means supporting Democrats.
(As to your suspicion about what I say outside this board, just yesterday on a Facebook discussion, I said those very words. Don't vote for a Democrat to punish the hapless, corrupt Republican party with its offensive "leader," Trump. It's voting for worst over worse. BAD idea).
@Maj. Bill Martin
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Again - let's stay on topic here. It is: Trump tells progressive Democrats to go back and fix 'broken and crime infested places' they came from.
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@XenaLee
Sorry darlin. You cannot vote 'against'. Your vote is an endorsement. You are voting *for*.
And that's nothing but a fact.
Wrong. I'm voting against the radical left Democrats by voting for the GOP.
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Trump's right.
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Trump's right.
Trump does more than just "thinking out side the box;" He shakes up the box.
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Trump does more than just "thinking out side the box;" He shakes up the box.
And rattles leftie brains in the process. :silly:
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And rattles leftie brains in the process. :silly:
Lefties have brains??? Who knew?
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Lefties have brains??? Who knew?
Well... what subs for brains. Cause as we all know, normal brains don't "rattle" when shaken...lol.
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And rattles leftie brains in the process. :silly:
likewise the popular media, and weak Republicans aka #nevertrumpers
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Trump's right.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I disagree. I think he is half-right. They should put their asses where their hearts are,but I don't give a damn if they fix the dungholes they come from or not. I will be happy just to see them go.
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Well... what subs for brains. Cause as we all know, normal brains don't "rattle" when shaken...lol.
4am, Jan 1, 2000, Bourbon St. Every. Single. Step.