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[Sanguine]

Yes, but my opinion does not accuse you of siding with, nor enabling the enemy.

I suggest that you leave off the accusations of others when stating your opinion.



How about we leave it at THAT?

First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.

But, you're not being exactly fair here.  You said:  "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "

Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?

[roamer_1]

And I value truth above all else.   Which is why we have to get past all the BS.  It's our only chance for survival as a free nation.  Seriously.

The truth is that the problem is continuing to support that which is abominable - from either side.
Seriously.

Where the Republicans are going, or have already gone, there is little difference from democrats.
When you have sacrificed absolutely everything to beat them - when you get right into the same evil fighting them as they are using to fight you - What then is the difference?

Truly, there is none.
Republicans have already thrown away civil libertarianism, long ago.
Now they have thrown away fiscal conservatism wholesale, and moral certitude along with it.
At what point do you finally wake up and ask what the hell you are fighting *for*?

[XenaLee]

Yes, but my opinion does not accuse you of siding with, nor enabling the enemy.

I suggest that you leave off the accusations of others when stating your opinion.



How about we leave it at THAT?

Whatev. 

I won't apologize for seeing this issue the way I see it.  It's just that serious an issue... ie the future of our nation in the hands of the radical leftists vs. 'not' in the hands of the radical left.  It's just that simple (not rocket science) an issue to me.   

So I guess that "agree to disagree' is no mas, eh?  lol

[XenaLee]

First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.

But, you're not being exactly fair here.  You said:  "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "

Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?

Um... no.  You're quoting me there, not musiclady.   Are you ok?

[roamer_1]

Your first question is ridiculous.  It's based on the premise that not voting for the (useless) GOPe is "doing nothing."

And that is not correct.

Exactly right! Voting *FOR* the (useless) GOP is doing nothing. Continuing to support uselessness is the problem. That is not 'fighting' anything.

BRAVA!

[Sanguine]

You demure from finishing that thought. Subtle. And cleaver and above board 

Cleavers cut sharply.   

[XenaLee]

The truth is that the problem is continuing to support that which is abominable - from either side.
Seriously.

Where the Republicans are going, or have already gone, there is little difference from democrats.
When you have sacrificed absolutely everything to beat them - when you get right into the same evil fighting them as they are using to fight you - What then is the difference?

Truly, there is none.
Republicans have already thrown away civil libertarianism, long ago.
Now they have thrown away fiscal conservatism wholesale, and moral certitude along with it.
At what point do you finally wake up and ask what the hell you are fighting *for*?

At no point, since I know what the hell I'm voting (fighting) for.  I'm voting to NOT hand over the reigns of this nation (again) to the radical Obama/Soros leftists who will succeed in destroying us from within if they get their power back.   And if enough people sit on their ass and not vote against them (by voting GOP) next year, that will happen.   Again, I don't apologize for how I see this issue.  It is what it is.

[Sanguine]

Um... no.  You're quoting me there, not musiclady.   Are you ok?

You are correct. 

And, I'm fine, thank you. 

[XenaLee]

You are correct. 

And, I'm fine, thank you.

Just checkin.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Then just sit back, don't bother to vote, don't make an effort, musiclady.   Is that your plan?

I don't have to vote for bad people, and neither do you.  Our votes don't really matter that much.  We aren't going to break any ties.

Yeah, the GOP ain't what it should be, but it IS all we have right now.

Before I met my wife, I broke up with a girl.  She told me I would never find a girl like her again.  I thought that was bizarre.  I didn't want her...why would I want someone just like her?  I think Trump is a destructive force and the GOP will do anything to excuse him because he is all they have right now.  If one of my daughters marries a man who physicaly beats her I would not offer the advice "He's all you got sweetie."

This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015.

Big bad communist boogey men like our American allies Putin and Kin Jong Un

If that's what you're advocating, then come on out and say so.  It's an either/or scenario.  There is no "in between".

I could not possibly vote for Trump.  Every deplorable thing he says is a distraction from the deplorable things he does.

[roamer_1]

At no point, since I know what the hell I'm voting (fighting) for.  I'm voting to NOT hand over the reigns of this nation (again) to the radical Obama/Soros leftists who will succeed in destroying us from within if they get their power back.   

... by turning the GOP into the very same thing, and with your endorsement.

And if enough people sit on their ass and not vote against them (by voting GOP) next year, that will happen.   Again, I don't apologize for how I see this issue.  It is what it is.

And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The problem is not, and never really has been, the "GOPe".  The problem is the voters who refuse to nominate and elect conservative Republicans.  There is a chunk of maybe 35-40 Republican Senators who are more or less reliably conservatives, generally sent to D.C. by voters from conservative states.  But then there are non-conservative voters in places like Maine who won't elect conservatives, or like the people in Arizona who kept sending McCain back.  Or voters elsewhere who vote for a congenial, moderate Republican rather than a tough conservative.

If people want to get mad, get mad at their fellow voters.  Don't get mad at a party that is nothing more than an aggregation of the people elected by the voters around the country.

[XenaLee]

I don't have to vote for bad people, and neither do you.  Our votes don't really matter that much.  We aren't going to break any ties.

If enough people think like that and act on that kind of thinking, the reigns WILL be handed back to the radical extremist left again.  That's what gave control of the House to them last year, after all.  Which is resulting in the ongoing invasion by illegals, among other disastrous effects.  And that's a fact.

Before I met my wife, I broke up with a girl.  She told me I would never find a girl like her again.  I thought that was bizarre.  I didn't want her...why would I want someone just like her?  I think Trump is a destructive force and the GOP will do anything to excuse him because he is all they have right now.  If one of my daughters marries a man who physicaly beats her I would not offer the advice "He's all you got sweetie."

Yeah, well... that analogy doesn't fly.  We're in a fight for our lives and future here against the radical left in America.  And yeah, the GOP IS all we've got currently, since we are a 2-party system whether we like it or not (which I don't).  Reality sucks.  And bites.

Big bad communist boogey men like our American allies Putin and Kin Jong Un

No ... commies like Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, most of the media, most in academia, most in control of our biggest cities and every damned Democrat I can think of.  Marxists, all.   But nice attempt to make 'lite' of the problem we're facing.

I could not possibly vote for Trump.  Every deplorable thing he says is a distraction from the deplorable things he does.

So don't.  I figure you'll be just fine if Trump loses.  Amirite?

[XenaLee]

... by turning the GOP into the very same thing, and with your endorsement.

And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.

My vote is against the Democrats, the radical leftists, Obama, Soros & Co. and every other swingin dyck leftist in America.  It has nothing to do with any "endorsement".  It's a vote for our nation's survival.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yeah, well... that analogy doesn't fly.  We're in a fight for our lives and future here against the radical left in America.  And yeah, the GOP IS all we've got currently, since we are a 2-party system whether we like it or not (which I don't).  Reality sucks.  And bites.

My analogy is perfect.  Some people are saying it is the best analogy in the history of analogies.  Battered wives are often in a fight for their lives.  Sometimes they are too stupid or too cowed to leave.

[musiclady]

First, I'm not defending @XenaLee; she doesn't need my help.

But, you're not being exactly fair here.  You said:  "This (in this thread) is the kind of talk that leads to handing the reigns of our country right over (and back) to the gdamned commie enemies within (the Democrats) that almost destroyed us in 2008-2015. "

Isn't that accusing her/them of enabling the enemy?

Yes.  That is precisely what that quote is doing, and why I asked @XenaLee not to make statements like that in the future.

It does absolutely NO good to accuse other Conservatives of supporting the enemy because they decide they cannot vote for Trump's GOPe.

(I see that Xena corrected you earlier, but am adding my thought as well.  The accusations of those of us who cannot support Trump for well thought out, conservative reasons as supporting the enemy need to stop, and need to stop NOW).

@Sanguine

[musiclady]

My vote is against the Democrats, the radical leftists, Obama, Soros & Co. and every other swingin dyck leftist in America.  It has nothing to do with any "endorsement".  It's a vote for our nation's survival.

As is my vote.   

[XenaLee]

As is my vote.

Which, like your opinion, you are entitled to.

As I am to mine.   

[musiclady]

Whatev. 

I won't apologize for seeing this issue the way I see it.  It's just that serious an issue... ie the future of our nation in the hands of the radical leftists vs. 'not' in the hands of the radical left.  It's just that simple (not rocket science) an issue to me.   

So I guess that "agree to disagree' is no mas, eh?  lol

I don't ask you to apologize for the way you see the issue.  I'm not even asking that you apologize for your accusations of other conservatives.

I'm just asking for it to stop. 

[musiclady]

Which, like your opinion, you are entitled to.

As I am to mine.   

A point with which I never disagreed.

[musiclady]

Exactly right! Voting *FOR* the (useless) GOP is doing nothing. Continuing to support uselessness is the problem. That is not 'fighting' anything.

BRAVA!

Thank you.

But if one believes that tweeting insults is "fighting," then it is difficult to make the point that voting for him is also not fighting.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And that is exactly why I am no longer a Republican. I am under no obligation, nor will I be, to endorse that which I don't believe.

Does your state permit you to vote in the Republican primary even if you are not a registered Republican?

[XenaLee]

I don't ask you to apologize for the way you see the issue.  I'm not even asking that you apologize for your accusations of other conservatives.

I'm just asking for it to stop.

Lol.   I'm not accusing other "conservatives" of anything.  I am merely stating a fact....

that not voting against the rats by voting for the GOP will probably, most likely, hand the reigns of power back to the leftists.   It's the logical end result of what happens... just like how it happened when the control of the House was given to the Pelosi rats in 2018.  It's called reality.

At any rate, I'm entitled to state that fact here, despite any discomfort it might create for those not voting for the GOP.   So no, I don't believe that I need to "stop".... this being a Conservative (not leftist/Democrat) forum.

[XenaLee]

A point with which I never disagreed.

Cool.   So we agree on one thing today, at least.  lol

[musiclady]

Lol.   I'm not accusing other "conservatives" of anything.  I am merely stating a fact....

that not voting against the rats by voting for the GOP will probably, most likely, hand the reigns of power back to the leftists.   It's the logical end result of what happens... just like how it happened when the control of the House was given to the Pelosi rats in 2018.  It's called reality.

At any rate, I'm entitled to state that fact here, despite any discomfort it might create for those not voting for the GOP.   So no, I don't believe that I need to "stop".... this being a Conservative (not leftist/Democrat) forum.

What you have stated is an opinion and not a "fact."

Nor is the accusation that others who are patriotic Conservatives who have loved this country as long, or longer than you have, and have made a thoughtful decision that voting for Trump is not in the best interest of the country we love, are supporting the Dems.  It is just your opinion.

And it is incorrect.