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When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?
By Geoffrey P. Hunt
March 24, 2023
Stubborn Trump supporters, especially the most fervent, seem unwilling to challenge the deedless covenant, ask the hard questions that if answered truthfully would confirm that Donald Trump has been a supreme letdown, and his failures -- including the re-election debacle -- self-inflicted.
Promises made, promises kept? Not when it mattered.
Drain the swamp? Spinning around in an airboat.
Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.
Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.
Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/when_will_stubborn_trump_loyalists_face_inconvenient_truths_.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/when_will_stubborn_trump_loyalists_face_inconvenient_truths_.html)
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Trumpsters will never acknowledge any of Trump's shortcomings. They are almost laughable until you realize that the situation of Trump bullying true conservatives is far from funny. Right now he has a black cloud hanging over his head, yet they don't seem to even realize what negative effect that will have on the 2024 election.
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How many believe that had Trump lost to hellary (which I expected) we Conservatives would have shouldered the burden of his defeat and they wouldn't let up. bidet is obviously less hated than that witch.
If a better Candidate beats him in the Primary and he/she loses the General because Trumpers stayed home.
Will we try and censure them like they did us?
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When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
Ergo, NTs are at least partially, if not more, guilty for the destruction of the American nation?
Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.
What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."
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240b:
"What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters.""
It's like some strange "transference phenomenon" occurred between the "Bush Derangement" people on the left, who have somehow mysteriously "ported" their hatred over to the ne'ertrumpers. Particularly those who inhabit this forum (pointing right at 'EM).
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When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS is NOT irrational.
If the right will not defend small government, who will?
There is nothing irrational in demanding they do.
Including Tumpy.
Hell no!
No pass. He does not deserve another shot and should NOT be rewarded.
Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.
Why can't you see that TUMPY and company left the democrats the government they inherited? Why can't you see that YOUR big government is the very SAME big government as the DEMOCRAT'S big government?
You want less democrat power? The only way to actually do that is less power all the way around. Give them a smaller government and they will be able to effect much less.
What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."
So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
*****rollingeyes*****
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Promises made, promises kept? Not when it mattered.
Drain the swamp? Spinning around in an airboat.
Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.
Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.
Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.
Obviously, all of the above turned out to be Swamp creatures
who all sabotaged America for their own collective profit.
Did Trump purposely hire people who would sabotage his stated agenda?
Or is it just that it's REALLY hard to find good help in DC?
I wish I knew the answer.
I think maybe it's that Mr Trump was used to schmoozing people in NYC
to make deals and build businesses,
and, as President, kept operating with the same mindset,
unaware of HOW TREACHEROUS The Swamp is.
I think maybe all those backstabbers he hired
fed him a load of BS, saying that they were all for him.
I think Mr Trump got duped.
To be fair, we need to also consider that Mr Trump FIRED
more people from his administration than any other President in history.
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I did not know that last paragraph @unite for individuality How many of those had he hired to begin with? That is the $64k question. Of course, he fired Omarosa twice, to pad his numbers.
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To be fair, we need to also consider that Mr Trump FIRED
more people from his administration than any other President in history.
Yeah... MANY conservatives passed through Tumpy's grinder and out the revolving door into the ether.
But somehow, the RINOs stayed. And a cabinet packed full to overflowing with Goldmann Sachs by the time he finished. - The very thing he falsely accused Cruz of.
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
All true. I get it. I've stated several time that I think he made a good president. It's his current bullying and going off the rails that is going to hurt his chances and the chances of the GOP being seated.
He's not perfect, nor without fault, but he had us headed in a better direction than we are headed now.
Did I mention that he is orange, rude and a billionaire?
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So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
@240B
And THERE it is.
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How many believe that had Trump lost to hellary (which I expected) we Conservatives would have shouldered the burden of his defeat and they wouldn't let up. bidet is obviously less hated than that witch.
If a better Candidate beats him in the Primary and he/she loses the General because Trumpers stayed home.
Will we try and censure them like they did us?
While Biden may be less blatantly satanic in his mien, don't think for a second that the purveyor of the consistently worst policies for this nation ever and who has less finesse about his megalomania, is in any way 'liked' any better than Hillary. What's more, his crookedness goes beyond mere larceny and into the realm of 'fundamental transformation' in all its Obamaesque contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution.
Trump's biggest failings, were from those around him he thought he could trust, from McConnell to Bob Barr and other perfidious bastards who worked with the Democrats to thwart good policy and leave the enemies of the Republic unopposed and untouched.
Trump is far from perfect, but the GOPe gets the bulk of my contempt.
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So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.
@240B Roamer's state, just like my state of Texas went for Trump, no matter how we voted, safely. bidet is not our guy, wish you'd get that out of head. Sure, Trump would be better than hellary or bidet but that avoids the ultimate question: Is Trump the best we can do?
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
TWENTY FRIGGIN TRIIIIIILLLLLION BUCKS!
Of course there would be inflation!
What happens when you print that much money?
The amount of dollars in circulation increases.
That means the worth of the dollar decreases.
That IS inflation.
I dunno why I keep bothering to explain it.
Y'all can't hear it.
Take off the orange colored glasses and take a look around.
*****rollingeyes*****
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While Biden may be less blatantly satanic in his mien, don't think for a second that the purveyor of the consistently worst policies for this nation ever and who has less finesse about his megalomania, is in any way 'liked' any better than Hillary. What's more, his crookedness goes beyond mere larceny and into the realm of 'fundamental transformation' in all its Obamaesque contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution.
Trump's biggest failings, were from those around him he thought he could trust, from McConnell to Bob Barr and other perfidious bastards who worked with the Democrats to thwart good policy and leave the enemies of the Republic unopposed and untouched.
Trump is far from perfect, but the GOPe gets the bulk of my contempt.
Agreed, particularly failed GOP leadership.
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80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day. Live by EO, Die by EO.
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TWENTY FRIGGIN TRIIIIIILLLLLION BUCKS!
Of course there would be inflation!
What happens when you print that much money?
The amount of dollars in circulation increases.
That means the worth of the dollar decreases.
That IS inflation.
I dunno why I keep bothering to explain it.
Y'all can't hear it.
Take off the orange colored glasses and take a look around.
*****rollingeyes*****
Because they believe that if you print the money, but it’s spent in America, it will not have an impact on the value of the dollar because we control the currency
It’s part of the Modern Monetary Theory mindset. It doesn’t seem to work in the real world.
I do agree that when it came to the border and energy, Trump was right. But those went away with a new president. What didn’t go away was the nearly $8 trillion in debt added during his watch. And now we’ll have what Biden adding plus the amount Trump is promising to add on if he gets a second term.
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So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.
No, Buydem has not.
Tumpy DID spend at nearly twice the rate of Obummer, So go see if Buydem is actually spending at twice the rate of Tumpy.
Tumpy jacked the actual debt by what? $8T in four years. How much has Buydem jacked it so far?
SHOW ME.
And then what's to stop Tumpy from redoubling what Bitem did? He redoubled Obummer.
As to WWIII, All ya'll are all for escalating Ukraine... not me.
As for death, how many needlessly died because anti-virals were outlawed under Tump in the middle of COVID?
Don't feed me that crap.
The ONLY thing that stops ALL of it is small government and fiscal restraint.
That's the fix.
The ONLY fix.
And Tumpy sure the hell ain't that.
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80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day. Live by EO, Die by EO.
And what he left behind was debt and an inflationary time bomb
I’m guessing whats probably going to happen is the MAGA wing will end up pushing any other GOP nominees to the left on spending in order to try to get their votes.
After all, we have to keep spending lots of money to keep from going bankrupt
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80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day. Live by EO, Die by EO.
Yep, and why by EO? Mitch McConnell gets the bulk of that credit, imho.
But for the GOPe it isn't about what's right for the country, it's about maintaining their club.
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Because they believe that if you print the money, but it’s spent in America, it will not have an impact on the value of the dollar because we control the currency
It’s part of the Modern Monetary Theory mindset. It doesn’t seem to work in the real world.
I do agree that when it came to the border and energy, Trump was right. But those went away with a new president. What didn’t go away was the nearly $8 trillion in debt added during his watch. And now we’ll have what Biden adding plus the amount Trump is promising to add on if he gets a second term.
You can buy em books and buy em books and what do they do? Eat the covers.
By far and away the most pressing danger to this country EVER, is the runaway federal government taking away all our treasure and our rights, and Tumpy is as much to blame in that as anyone.
I don't want Democrats foremost because of their big government ways.
And Tumpy and the Pubbies ain't showing a whit of difference.
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After all, we have to keep spending lots of money to keep from going bankrupt
Yeah, because that always works! *****rollingeyes*****
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No, Buydem has not.
Tumpy DID spend at nearly twice the rate of Obummer, So go see if Buydem is actually spending at twice the rate of Tumpy.
Tumpy jacked the actual debt by what? $8T in four years. How much has Buydem jacked it so far?
SHOW ME.
And then what's to stop Tumpy from redoubling what Bitem did? He redoubled Obummer.
As to WWIII, All ya'll are all for escalating Ukraine... not me.
As for death, how many needlessly died because anti-virals were outlawed under Tump in the middle of COVID?
Don't feed me that crap.
The ONLY thing that stops ALL of it is small government and fiscal restraint.
That's the fix.
The ONLY fix.
And Tumpy sure the hell ain't that.
So far, Biden has added about 2 trillion from what I’ve gathered. It’s unlikely he will add enough by next years election to equal or surpass Trump’s 7.8 trillion
So Donald Trump wins a prize as a president who added more onto our debt in 4 years in dollar amounts than any other president
And his supporters say that he should get another term so maybe he can add another 10 or 15 trillion
This is why many of us are really pushing fiscal conservativism going forward
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So far, Biden has added about 2 trillion from what I’ve gathered. It’s unlikely he will add enough by next years election to equal or surpass Trump’s 7.8 trillion
I know. He did outspend Tumpy in one congressional year, but it wasn't by much.
The bullshit here is that I am forced into defending either one of the a*******
Or that picking the lesser evil is somehow better.
At the level of spending these jokers are at (at least as far back as BOOSH), a decrease substantial enough to matter would have to be by orders of magnitude different.
And people here say Tumpy was better at arranging the deck chairs!
It's ridiculous!
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What else did people expect from the self-proclaimed “King of Debt?”
The good news for him is he gets to keep that crown
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When pigs fly, Hades freezes over and I get married.
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
The inflationary policies began under Trump, from PPP to the $600 stimulus.
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
Because of that big, beautiful wall that Mexico paid for, right?
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
Wrong. Trump admitted he had done nothing special to keep Russia at bay. It was timing. Putin was going to invade whether Trump got re-elected or not.
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
See above
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
See first bullet point. The only thing that Trump may have done to keep gas prices down was fewer regulations, but he doesn't dictate crude prices. Again, he authorized the inflationary policies, the fruits of which are now being reaped under Biden.
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
How long have we been panicking about "war with a nuclear Iran?" Yet it never materializes.
America would be energy independent - with Trump
Not even close.
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
It's not reality or facts. It's speculation based on fantasy.
You ignore the pandemic, the embrace of the Fauci Doctrine, Operation Warp Speed and the failed vaccines, and on and on and on as you put it.
Trump had his chance—and the moment he realized that being re-elected meant he could never run again, he betrayed us.
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Like the USFL before, which Trump crashed, making $1 from the NFL in litigation. This and Taj Mahal should have been a h3ll of a wake up call for most Americans.
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TWENTY FRIGGIN TRIIIIIILLLLLION BUCKS!
Of course there would be inflation!
What happens when you print that much money?
The amount of dollars in circulation increases.
That means the worth of the dollar decreases.
That IS inflation.
I dunno why I keep bothering to explain it.
Y'all can't hear it.
Take off the orange colored glasses and take a look around.
*****rollingeyes*****
There is no need to argue with you or your argument because you seem to be insane.
Biden has sent at least 200 Billion dollars to Ukraine.
Biden gifted the Taliban 85 Billion in top grade military technology and equipment.
Biden has spent tens of $Billions on top of tens of $Billons for COVID, Climate Change, and so called "Equity".
And Biden is still ongoing. By the end of his term, the dollar will be measured in terms of Yaun.
Compared to Biden, Trump was a cheap old bastard.
I hope you speak Chinese. Because that is where China Joe is taking us.
You idiot. No matter what Trump did or did not do, Biden is 10 times worse. Jeez man! Are you blind or just stupid?
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When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
I thought the election was rigged and stolen, remember? At least get the talking points consistent.
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There is no need to argue with you or your argument because you seem to be insane.
Biden has sent at least 200 Billion dollars to Ukraine.
Biden gifted the Taliban 85 Billion in top grade military technology and equipment.
Biden has spent tens of $Billions on top of tens of $Billons for COVID, Climate Change, and so called "Equity".
And Biden is still ongoing. By the end of his term, the dollar will be measured in terms of Yaun.
Compared to Biden, Trump was a cheap old bastard.
I hope you speak Chinese. Because that is where China Joe is taking us.
You idiot. No matter what Trump did or did not do, Biden is 10 times worse. Jeez man! Are you blind or just stupid?
They're two sides of the same trillion-dollar platinum coin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin). Trump, the self-absorbed MAGA blowhard, and Biden, the puppet of the woke left. Both spend so much money drunken sailors told them to sober up.
Let's face it: we haven't had fiscally sane policy in America since the 1990s.
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There is no need to argue with you or your argument because you seem to be insane.
Biden has sent at least 200 Billion dollars to Ukraine.
Biden gifted the Taliban 85 Billion in top grade military technology and equipment.
Biden has spent tens of $Billions on top of tens of $Billons for COVID, Climate Change, and so called "Equity".
And Biden is still ongoing. By the end of his term, the dollar will be measured in terms of Yaun.
Compared to Biden, Trump was a cheap old bastard.
I hope you speak Chinese. Because that is where China Joe is taking us.
You idiot. No matter what Trump did or did not do, Biden is 10 times worse. Jeez man! Are you blind or just stupid?
Tumpy left them the gigantic government the democrats inherited. Keep your eye on the ball.
THE ONLY WAY to keep Democrats away from power is to take that power away. Cause it to cease to exist. They always WILL get back into office, no matter what. You are deluded to think you can stop that.
But you CAN make the government they inherit less powerful, and less authoritarian.
Lesser government is the only cure. The only road to liberty there is.
YOUR Republican big government didn't do that that. They gave the dems a bigger government, with more power. Tumpy included.
Until you can see that the problem will persist. And the problem is not me.
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They're two sides of the same trillion-dollar platinum coin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin). Trump, the self-absorbed MAGA blowhard, and Biden, the puppet of the woke left. Both spend so much money drunken sailors told them to sober up.
Let's face it: we haven't had fiscally sane policy in America since the 1990s.
:yowsa:
There it is!
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Tumpy left them the gigantic government the democrats inherited. Keep your eye on the ball.
Trump was in office for 3.5 years. "Trump left them the gigantic government the democrats inherited"? You must be mental. Trump was fighting against them the whole time, while being stabbed in the back and sabotaged from every side. From my mind, it sounds more like you are flailing about trying to justify helping to elect Biden?
Orange Man Bad - end of discussion (facts do not matter)
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Trump was in office for 3.5 years. "Trump left them the gigantic government the democrats inherited"? You must be mental. Trump was fighting against them the whole time, while being stabbed in the back and sabotaged from every side. From my mind, it sounds more like you are flailing about trying to justify helping to elect Biden?
Orange Man Bad - end of discussion (facts do not matter)
Horseshit. He 'fought' them in the drama plays in the press... Which means nothing, Kabuki theater. And y'all climbed right in and fell for it. Follow the money. Because he didn't stop a damn thing.
He GREW government. He GREW debt. HE HURT liberty.
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When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
Ergo, NTs are at least partially, if not more, guilty for the destruction of the American nation?
Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.
What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."
Two types of NTers, most here were the original (including me).. Principled Conservatives (Christian in my case). Other NTers in government not so much, but probable more numerous in the wild and in politics. After a while, nobody (except here) remembered the principled, only the other camp. Then magically they got grouped on in one.
"Irrational" is your term, against most here were long time political gamers (at least from the sideline, though a few play roles locally in party affairs). I hardly think anyone here took their vote lightly, though as a whole, it sure looks (personally) like my vote has been taken for granted. I no longer seem to find I have a hand to play come election time. McCain, Romney, and then NY values Trump has jaded me. I am a forgotten relic so I play the losing hand given me.
It is speculative to say how Trump would of affected the prices of X,Y, and Z. But I fair enough to say at least on paper it would of probable been better (Trump didn't harass the energy sector as bad except for Ethanol). But... runaway spending eventually causes inflation and there is no denying Trump had little if any sway (even if he wanted to) on cutting big government. @roamer_1 tends to point this out more than myself because I tend to lean more about ethics (morals) than Roamer (not saying he is more right or wrong, just saying I look at things a little skewed from his point of view). Not that I don't care about big government (I do), but I tend to put more emphasis on moral issues Trump was weak on (Example: He sure kissed up to the Log Cabin folks the other week).
Again, I am a dinosaur, nobody gives a hoot about things I care about it seems. Illegals, gay agenda, deficit, Second Amendment, Energy, Family, Religion, Freedom (with some boundaries), government forced education, liberal colleges, drugs, abortion, national defense/strong military, open borders, BLM, Antifa, fighting communism, and a thousand other issues play a part in all of our decisions, just some of us place the cards in different orders of importance. Trump didn't figure in the way I play, never will, didn't come close, but you can bet the farm I didn't vote for Brandon.
National Defense has (IMHO) been weakened more by allowing the gay agenda to creep in, Trump did little if anything to stop it, I guess the decline started with Clinton (don't ask, don't tell). But society in whole has left me behind, we have become the cesspool Berlin that lead to Hitler's rise in power, except society now celebrates it's rise. We can't say a boy is a boy and vice versa. One gets black balled for not being woke in corporations. White folks are being portrayed as devils even though the devil comes in many forms (and all colors). There is no National Identity because that would be wrong, those allowed to legally immigrate are brought over due to relations with others in country instead of merits based on what they have to offer the country.
Pigeonholing folks to protect an egomaniac self-centered with no moral direction idiot that can't keep his mouth closed (or pants zipped) does little to sway this voter. We could of elected a conservative that didn't drag the party name into the mud. Some saw it differently, thus here we are with the mud still clinging to our names.
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You elected a Chinese paid demented pedophile who showers with his prepubescent daughter.
You elected a guy who cannot read a stupid teleprompter.
You elected a guy who is about to get us into a nuclear war.
Thank you for your service. Trump is horrible!!!!!
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You elected a Chinese paid demented pedophile who showers with his prepubescent daughter.
You elected a guy who cannot read a stupid teleprompter.
You elected a guy who is about to get us into a nuclear war.
Thank you for your service. Trump is horrible!!!!!
Hmmm….
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Electoral College. Our vote wouldn't have made a dam bit of difference IN OUR STATE AND we are smart enough to know that and can proudly proclaim that we never voted for that Orange, Rich, Rude, Liberal, NY'er.
You Trumpers are the one that failed your HERO. He couldn't even beat a brain dead guy that didn't even campaign because
A: It was stolen from him
B: A couple of Briefers refused to vote
Yea, lets give him another try. How absurd is that. Maybe next time evil Conservatives like @roamer_1 and myself will see the light at the end of the tunnel and vote appropriately.
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Don't try to pawn this $hit on me @240B
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@roamer_1 tends to point this out more than myself because I tend to lean more about ethics (morals) than Roamer (not saying he is more right or wrong, just saying I look at things a little skewed from his point of view). Not that I don't care about big government (I do), but I tend to put more emphasis on moral issues Trump was weak on (Example: He sure kissed up to the Log Cabin folks the other week).
@Sighlass
Believe me brother, I am every bit the social conservative that I am every other kind. As a Reaganite, I embrace ALL the unmovable principles of ALL of the factions - As do you by and large. As a philosophical Conservative, my Burkean roots also swing close to Christian foundations.
It is more a matter of emphasis in the argument. Even though you and I would probably defend the same moral ground, morals tend to become subjective in the argument, because of the difference between rural and city, back east and flyover country, and heck, even the broad difference between Christians. You and I hail from pretty hard core Christian orthodoxy and interpretation, but the Church as she supposedly is has a broad range of freaky positions, all the way out to flat-out evil.
So trying to wrangle that - especially since religion is somewhat verboten on this forum makes morals a hard row, with plenty of fig leafs to go all around.
Why I have focused on fiscal matters and big government is that it is all in the numbers and numbers do not lie. Why I have focused on small government and liberty is likewise cut-and-dried... and in both cases, utterly indefensible.
That isn't to take away from the Christian principles... Principles are principles to me.
And most conservative principles can be argued as founded by Yah... I am sorry if I have given that short shrift. I will hope to correct that.
But nobody can defend his spending. Nobody can defend his destruction fo small government and liberty.
I haven't seen a decent reply yet - As with the return volley to you, always the pernicious 'lesser evil' argument (which is void of any intellectual defense, proven here over and over again). or you're just a poopeyhead (Orange Man Bad).
Because there really is nothing to defend.
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@Sighlass
Believe me brother, I am every bit the social conservative that I am every other kind. As a Reaganite, I embrace ALL the unmovable principles of ALL of the factions - As do you by and large. As a philosophical Conservative, my Burkean roots also swing close to Christian foundations.
It is more a matter of emphasis in the argument. Even though you and I would probably defend the same moral ground, morals tend to become subjective in the argument, because of the difference between rural and city, back east and flyover country, and heck, even the broad difference between Christians. You and I hail from pretty hard core Christian orthodoxy and interpretation, but the Church as she supposedly is has a broad range of freaky positions, all the way out to flat-out evil.
So trying to wrangle that - especially since religion is somewhat verboten on this forum makes morals a hard row, with plenty of fig leafs to go all around.
Why I have focused on fiscal matters and big government is that it is all in the numbers and numbers do not lie. Why I have focused on small government and liberty is likewise cut-and-dried... and in both cases, utterly indefensible.
That isn't to take away from the Christian principles... Principles are principles to me.
And most conservative principles can be argued as founded by Yah... I am sorry if I have given that short shrift. I will hope to correct that.
But nobody can defend his spending. Nobody can defend his destruction fo small government and liberty.
I haven't seen a decent reply yet - As with the return volley to you, always the pernicious 'lesser evil' argument (which is void of any intellectual defense, proven here over and over again). or you're just a poopeyhead (Orange Man Bad).
Because there really is nothing to defend.
@roamer_1
Sorry about the delay in reply... 3 tornadoes came through locally (I just got out shelter), Mississippi and Bama got hit but I don't know where and how hard.
I understand where you come from, and it makes sense, but I am too tired to reply tonight. I will just say, like Popeye, I yam what I yam... you make strong arguments, I make heartfelt revelations that often are just as you say (not well received because it comes off as preachy).
Good Night Gang !
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@roamer_1
Sorry about the delay in reply... 3 tornadoes came through locally (I just got out shelter), Mississippi and Bama got hit but I don't know where and how hard.
I understand where you come from, and it makes sense, but I am too tired to reply tonight. I will just say, like Popeye, I yam what I yam... you make strong arguments, I make heartfelt revelations that often are just as you say (not well received because it comes off as preachy).
Good Night Gang !
No need for an excuse in that... I'm just glad y'all made it out okay. Y'all stay safe now, and I'll see you tomorrow!
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We go hard on Donald Trump for the debt that ballooned on his watch and it is deserved
But what the hell was Congress doing during this time?
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We go hard on Donald Trump for the debt that ballooned on his watch and it is deserved
But what the hell was Congress doing during this time?
Congress controls the purse strings.
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Congress controls the purse strings.
But, but, but, Trump made them do it. /s
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Congress controls the purse strings.
Which is why a fiscally conservative president isn’t enough
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Which is why a fiscally conservative president isn’t enough
Exactly.
We need a conservative House AND Senate along with a conservative president. That's not on the horizon.
We need more conservative governors like DeSantis keeping the leftists at arms length. That is our best chance. I just don't see things changing much at the federal level.
That is why I take such issue with the rude orange man with billions going after a conservative.
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You elected a Chinese paid demented pedophile who showers with his prepubescent daughter.
You elected a guy who cannot read a stupid teleprompter.
You elected a guy who is about to get us into a nuclear war.
Thank you for your service. Trump is horrible!!!!!
Eh, just about everyone was aboard the trump train in 2020 (including myself). 74 million votes. This should make you question his prospects for 2024. Donald lost the election by himself. He destroyed his economic credentials by participating in the covid panic. He tweeted "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" while otherwise ignoring the George Floyd riots, and enabled the left to control the narrative and transform our major cities into ghettos. A supposed billionaire, he allowed his campaign to be swamped by some old man hiding in a basement in Delaware. Donald used every opportunity to remind independents and leftists why they hated him personally, and he was turnout machine for them. He was a complete jerk in the first debate with Biden, tried to out machismo the guy, and lost. He did jack squat to challenge the rule changes prior to the election. Instead he told his people early voting was fraudulent, while the democrats focused on exploiting the rules in place that year.
Now he is trashing DeSantis (a non-candidate right wing governor who barely alludes to Trump) more than Biden a at 4:1 clip. He is raising the spectre of January 6 by calling for violence.
Already outnumbered, he is driving people away. Ask yourself whether that is a worthwhile pursuit.
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But, but, but, Trump made them do it. /s
Here's my issue, name one of those bloated budgets that congress passed that Trump vetoed. Would his veto been overridden? yeah probably, but then congress would have owned it and Trump would at least shown that he walked what he preached instead of coming off as.........I'll just leave it there.
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But, but, but, Trump made them do it. /s
Well, no... But he sure as hell didn't try to stop it. Even a little bit.
Had he used his veto pen, and the bully pulpit, I would have no argument.
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Which is why a fiscally conservative president isn’t enough
NO one man is going to be enough. No one man will change a dang thing.
That is pure fantasy.
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Well, no... But he sure as hell didn't try to stop it. Even a little bit.
Had he used his veto pen, and the bully pulpit, I would have no argument.
My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
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Blame the presidents? Or AND someone(s) else?
YES. Fixed.
Unfortunately for the president, The buck is supposed to stop at the top.
He is supposed to be jamming the deal. So he gets extra credit. Similar to a CEO. The CFO pays the bills. But if he goes sideways, it is the CEO that takes the hit.
And no excuses by the way... Every other president has been blamed or taken credit for the economy. There is no special exception just because it's Tumpy. It is his hit to take.
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My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
If you mean the 21st-century, yes
That’s not true when it comes to the 20th century
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YES. Fixed.
Unfortunately for the president, The buck is supposed to stop at the top.
He is supposed to be jamming the deal. So he gets extra credit. Similar to a CEO. The CFO pays the bills. But if he goes sideways, it is the CEO that takes the hit.
And no excuses by the way... Every other president has been blamed or taken credit for the economy. There is no special exception just because it's Tumpy. It is his hit to take.
So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.
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My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
Yes blame the presidents along with the fed chairmen and secretary of treasury. In this case; Brandon, Powell and Yellen.
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So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.
Nope. That's why this messianic bullshit just naturally has to go. Like I said, one man can't do sh*t. PROVEN.
TEA Party was the right idea. Stop looking after shiny sh*t and build a grass roots movement. It has to start on the ground and turn over states. Because everyone who is in the federal system comes up through the rolls - come up from the states.
You will not stop a damn thing without that kind of whole-house movement.
You need a machine. not a man.
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So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.
I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.
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Nope. That's why this messianic bullshit just naturally has to go. Like I said, one man can't do sh*t. PROVEN.
TEA Party was the right idea. Stop looking after shiny sh*t and build a grass roots movement. It has to start on the ground and turn over states. Because everyone who is in the federal system comes up through the rolls - come up from the states.
You will not stop a damn thing without that kind of whole-house movement.
You need a machine. not a man.
I am a TEA Party type of guy vs a Trump populists. It was formed as a result of those bail out in 2008 along with the so-called stimulus. They were blamed for acts of violence by the press, but yet they were the most peaceful group of people to ever protest. They didn’t burn down cities or riot at the Capitol
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My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
@bigheadfred
True Fred. but the POTUS does bear some responsibilty for steering the car. And here are the cold hard facts about DJT, as in evidence of this graphic I have prepared and have to dust off every few weeks or so to remind the orange contingent who wave the flagon his fiscal accumen.
Deficit additon numbers by POTUS acutal, and adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....
1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr. ($166 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr. ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)
Obviously, Biden is wanting eclipse this, but President Donald J. Trump is the biggest budget defecit offender by far. AND.... Dims don't pretend to want to address this. Trump in '16 campaign stated he wanted to address it. Which was utter bullshit.
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I am a TEA Party type of guy vs a Trump populists. It was formed as a result of those bail out in 2008 along with the so-called stimulus. They were blamed for acts of violence by the press, but yet they were the most peaceful group of people to ever protest. They didn’t burn down cities or riot at the Capitol
ME too - Big-time. And I was in it from near the start. I was not technically in the Ron Paul camp, but being in the libertarian minded West, I knew plenty of em, and was welcome there. I nearly saw it born.
And more to the point... Look at what they did. The largest turnover in history, I believe, all the way down to the city level in many places.
Then the Orange Julius and his populists came along...
We need to get our eye back on the ball. This is going to be a long hard grind, for a long, long time... no dream team. no magic man. Time to get real and let the adults do their thing.
Or there will be nothing.
That is the choice.
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@bigheadfred
True Fred. but the POTUS does bear some responsibilty for steering the car. And here are the cold hard facts about DJT, as in evidence of this graphic I have prepared and have to dust off every few weeks or so to remind the orange contingent who wave the flagon his fiscal accumen.
Deficit additon numbers by POTUS acutal, and adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....
1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr. ($166 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr. ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)
Obviously, Biden is wanting eclipse this, but President Donald J. Trump is the biggest budget defecit offender by far. AND.... Dims don't pretend to want to address this. Trump in '16 campaign stated he wanted to address it. Which was utter bullshit.
In all fairness I think we need to consider the cost of COVID -- unknown territory 'W' had the war which added to the deficit.
Bammy pushed us over the trillion dollar threshold.
Balance the budget anyone? Not since Clinton.
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ME too - Big-time. And I was in it from near the start. I was not technically in the Ron Paul camp, but being in the libertarian minded West, I knew plenty of em, and was welcome there. I nearly saw it born.
And more to the point... Look at what they did. The largest turnover in history, I believe, all the way down to the city level in many places.
Then the Orange Julius and his populists came along...
We need to get our eye back on the ball. This is going to be a long hard grind, for a long, long time... no dream team. no magic man. Time to get real and let the adults do their thing.
Or there will be nothing.
That is the choice.
I was all in at its inception, and was watching on CNBC and cheering the godfather when he got the ball rolling......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k)
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I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.
That's right. The primary thing is to force a digital dollar, or rather digital currency all around... Which is part and parcel for the level of control needed to institute a one-world government. No buy or sell unless you go along.
The Beast rises.
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That's right. The primary thing is to force a digital dollar, or rather digital currency all around... Which is part and parcel for the level of control needed to institute a one-world government. No buy or sell unless you go along.
The Beast rises.
As long as we continue to be under Soros' grip, we are looking at a one world government sooner, rather than later. I have doubts that we're even going to see an election. Only one year out -- who knows.
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I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.
Digital cryptocurrency.
Why do you think the Web is full of cryptobros pushing Bitcoin?
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WWII 'saved' us from the Great Depression. Will it take WWIII to save us from another?
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My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
I will—bluntly—blame the people.
This is what they want. They WANT huge deficits because it means lower taxes and bigger benefits for them... in the short run. And they stopped having kids, so the aftermath will be someone else's problem.
People love talking about fiscal responsibility until THEIR benefits are threatened. Then, instead of abolishing the Ponzi scheme that is Socialist Security, it becomes a game of "privatization," i.e. have the government buy stakes in private companies as investment instruments. That's even more socialist!
This is a country hooked on the dole. Whether it's social security benefits, or government jobs, we've grown dependent on Big Government, a Big Government we have never been able to afford.
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NO one man is going to be enough. No one man will change a dang thing.
That is pure fantasy.
@roamer_1
You finally wrote something political I can agree with.
Have you fallen and injured your head recently?
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My problem is that spending/debt has increased under every president this century.
Blame the presidents? Or someone(s) else?
@bigheadfred
Congress is in charge of spending,that Congress is composed of a LOT of "somebodies",and they have a long history of writing spending bills for each other so that they get passed without some of the "guilty parties" having to take the rap.
Congress reminds me a lot of an organized crime family,with it's own "untouchables" designated "patsies" who can take the public blame while not being hurt politically because the voters they represent are greedy,selfish,fools who can't seem to understand that when America fails,we ALL take the hit.
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As long as we continue to be under Soros' grip, we are looking at a one world government sooner, rather than later. I have doubts that we're even going to see an election. Only one year out -- who knows.
Not Soros.
Davos.
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So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.
@bigheadfred
Since it would take a President that is rude,arrogant,and not willing to listen to the party regulars,I don't either.
It would be different if there weren't so many votes who are "Miss Manners" types,but there are.
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Digital cryptocurrency.
Why do you think the Web is full of cryptobros pushing Bitcoin?
Trying to... But Crypto took a hella big hit recently.
I am hoping it is all a fad.
because what it brings is pure evil.
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I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.
@libertybele
I think Brandon is too busy trying to figure out how to get his diapers changed and eat his boogers to be concerned with anything that trivial,but the REAL leaders,who happen to be unelected, are working on collapsing the economy and doing away with the dollar 24/7. They MUST do this or they will never take total control and turn America into a western version of the USSR.
You just KNOW they are eaten alive with envy over all the power Putin has,not to mention the lack of criticism from his own government.
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I will—bluntly—blame the people.
In the end, that's right. in a Republic, based on liberty, the People are inevitably sovereign. And as always, the buck stops at the top.
What makes me cry foul in that is that so many are buffaloed. That is the domain of propaganda and a sullied press. The politicos are stealing both treasure and liberty, and the press along with them.
And many, many are standing there with their pants around their ankles looking at their phones, and totally unaware... Or even cheering.
What is left is a job for prophets.
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@roamer_1
You finally wrote something political I can agree with.
Have you fallen and injured your head recently?
@sneakypete
LOL!
You agree with me more than you let on, Sneaks.
And you always have. You're just a cranky old bastard that likes to argue.
And it takes one to know one. :laugh: :beer: :seeya:
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I will—bluntly—blame the people.
This is what they want. They WANT huge deficits because it means lower taxes and bigger benefits for them... in the short run. And they stopped having kids, so the aftermath will be someone else's problem.
People love talking about fiscal responsibility until THEIR benefits are threatened. Then, instead of abolishing the Ponzi scheme that is Socialist Security, it becomes a game of "privatization," i.e. have the government buy stakes in private companies as investment instruments. That's even more socialist!
This is a country hooked on the dole. Whether it's social security benefits, or government jobs, we've grown dependent on Big Government, a Big Government we have never been able to afford.
@jmyrlefuller
I generally agree with very little that you write,but I am in ALMOST total agreement with every word in the post I am quoting.
Doing away with SS just is NOT going to happen,nor should it. This is NOT saying it shouldn't be tamed to the point where the only people drawing money from it are people that paid into it,or that SOME benefits might need to be cut,modified,or eliminated,but there is no way in HELL it is going to be eliminated.
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Trying to... But Crypto took a hella big hit recently.
I am hoping it is all a fad.
because what it brings is pure evil.
Reported it in my finance section, but did anyone notice all the funny crypto business going on during the SVB fiasco and regional bank yo-yo-ing last week. Look at the prices and volume exchange data and how all that was going on during the crisis.
Stunk to high heaven and some serious money was manuevered around....stealthly.
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Reported it in my finance section, but did anyone notice all the funny crypto business going on during the SVB fiasco and regional bank yo-yo-ing last week. Look at the prices and volume exchange data and how all that was going on during the crisis.
Stunk to high heaven and some serious money was manuevered around....stealthly.
Considering their bent, I have been tossing around the idea that that SVB failed over the crypto crunch, and perhaps others... Don't know, but I wonder.
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@bigheadfred
Since it would take a President that is rude,arrogant,and not willing to listen to the party regulars,I don't either.
It would be different if there weren't so many votes who are "Miss Manners" types,but there are.
No
A president doesn’t have to be rude and arrogant in order to try and slow the trajectory we are on
He just needs aggressively to use his VETO power and the bully pulpit.
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No
A president doesn’t have to be rude and arrogant in order to try and slow the trajectory we are on
He just needs aggressively to use his VETO power and the bully pulpit.
@LMAO
And that,of course,would never be judged to be rude and arrogant by the left and the media,right?
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@LMAO
And that,of course,would never be judged to be rude and arrogant by the left and the media,right?
They would call it “mean spirited” but so what? And if Congress over rides the VETO’s then Congress can be blamed
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As bad as Jimmy Carter was by 1979 and 80, it was no shoe in for Ronald Reagan. The Democrats painted Ronald Reagan as an extremist that wanted to get us into war and it did work for a while. However, as Reagan started to be out in the public more and more and especially the debates, he started to sound more reasonable to voters than he was portrayed.
Reagan was also an unknown entity. The voters know Donald Trump just like they knew Hillary Clinton in 2016.
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As bad as Jimmy Carter was by 1979 and 80, it was no shoe in for Ronald Reagan.
Reagan was also an unknown entity.
Reagan ran unsuccessfully for President in 1968 and 1976. How was he an "unknown entity" in 1980?
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Reagan ran unsuccessfully for President in 1968 and 1976. How was he an "unknown entity" in 1980?
To the public at large he was unknown. Not to GOP voters.
That's why the Democrats attempted to define him early in the campaign to the general public
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There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.
Not entirely correct.
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Not entirely correct.
Trump was better on the border and energy that Biden.
The inflation monster was set in motion during Trump's tenure. Biden is fueling it.
The rest is just speculation
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Trump was better on the border and energy that Biden.
The inflation monster was set in motion during Trump's tenure. Biden is fueling it.
The rest is just speculation
That's about right.
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A friend of mine used to mention Occam's Razor 1-2 times a week in conversation. He was often right with his assessments.
With the election of 2020, I often think of him and Occam's Razor. He would use it consistently in reference to the unlikely outcome, the difficult to believe outcome of 2020. Nothing simple about HOW Biden won that election.
Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex. Simple theories are easier to verify. Simple solutions are easier to execute.
So, to summarize:
What is the simple in 2020?
Well, let's start with the mega counting center in the Philly area that forced poll watchers back 100 yards away from the counting, and then mounted poster boards on the windows to prevent them from seeing anything. That single act should have rendered EVERY VOTE NULL AND VOID in that center. Poll Watchers have a purpose, and when they are prevented from doing their job, the votes should be voided. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
There were entire batches of ballots with only the presidential race voted on, and none of the other elections marked. The odds of this if I recall were in the trillions or quadrillions. Meaning? The possibility was virtually impossible, and there were many batches of ballots with ONLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE VOTED ON.
Georgia: the legislature invited a hacker in to see if he could break into a Dominion machine. It took him about 15 minutes. How long do you think it would take someone from Dominion that had the backdoor code to get in? !5 seconds tops!!!!
Georgia: there is real video of people running the same batch through the counting machine, over and over again. Biden won by like 12,000 votes in Georgia. We are not talking about a huge effort to fix the election. We are talking about one hour's worth of effort by a handful of people. That's all. About one hour, if that!
All coin toss states stopped counting precisely at 2AM, with Trump ahead by huge margins, and 12 hours later, Biden was ahead by a margin of around 10,000 votes. Sure does appear an algorithm was used to produce those results.
Pennsylvania: I consider it the most corrupt state in the union. State Supreme Court judges, who had zero right to change laws weeks before the election, did so, in direct defiance of the legislature, who has the sole responsibility of making those decisions. Their last minute decisions should have been rendered null and void. They violated the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
And there were actions in all the toss up states that were at best questionable.
The virtually unanimous effort on all fronts to get rid of Trump was clearly apparent. The apparatus that made all that happen is still in place, with virtually nothing having been changed. NOTHING!!! Anyone that believes the Dems and many others will be more emboldened to stop Trump in 2024 has the correct assessment. It does not matter who the Dems run in 2024. And it does not matter if the GOP runs Trump, DeSantis, Cruz, take your pick. It does not matter. THE ELECTION WILL BE FIXED.
The difference in voting between the USA and Russia in national elections is non-existent. You think Putin has won every election since 2000? Really?
You think the simple answer to 2020 is that Biden actually won? Really? Someone tells you the Dominion systems are impenetrable and you believe them? Anyone that knows systems knows that if the intent exists for cheating, then it is a SIMPLE effort to do so, not a difficult one.
SIMPLE CONCLUSION: does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence? He virtually did not campaign, and when people did turn out, there were a dozen or so in the audience, where Trump had tens of thousands everywhere he went. I attended a rally that was estimated to have 70,000 people there, and it was nothing short of being electric.
One must also realize we have one party, the Uniparty. Conservative values have largely been lost in America for decades. Yes, there are exceptions in Congress, but the exceptions are not in control, and surely not in the majority. Starting with McConnell. He is perhaps the biggest rat f*** ever to exist in politics. RINO does not begin to characterize this rat. And he controls a ton of power, even as Minority Leader.
So, without fair elections, do we still have our republic? I say no.
The SIMPLE ANSWER. Did Fetterman really win the senate seat in Pennsylvania? Another fool that did not campaign, and could not utter a SIMPLE SENTENCE. You see, there is nothing SIMPLE in the equation of these morons winning elections. But to me, the SIMPLE is a three letter word.
F I X
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SIMPLE CONCLUSION: does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence?
In a word: yes.
Especially if that idiot's campaign team can convince them that the other guy is evil. And let's face it, Trump hasn't helped his case.
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Being objective, I do not see the evil, any more than I saw the Russian collusion, or any of the other idiocy of the Democommies.
The big mistakes made by Trump fall into largely three things.
1. He kept Dr. Fauci as the man in control when he was blatantly incompetent in regard to the COVID pandemic. For the man that fired anyone who slightly fell out of favor, Trump was completely out to lunch on Fauci.
2. PROMISES NOT KEPT:
A. THE WALL - no he did not build the wall as promised, and I don't care if the Mexicans paid for it. It should have been built, and it wasn't. I don't blame Trump only, but the entire GOP worthless pukes in Congress who worked against the president are equally to blame.
B. END THE H1-b VISA PROGRAM, promised DAY ONE by Trump. In fact, he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA 5-6 months into his presidency, and he increased the H1-b Visa recipients. I say this one aw-sh*t wiped out 5 million votes for Trump.
He will NEVER win another election. First, there is the FIX, and then there are those that now fit into a third group of Never Trumpers, folks that voted for him twice, and have come to the conclusion that enough is enough. How big is that number? Doesn't matter, for no one will examine that and come up with a poll to measure the size of the electorate loss he will sustain. I say it is a double digit number.
How many people that like DeSantis and might have voted for Trump, but now that Trump has begun calling him names have said ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH. This is a 78 year old man behaving like a young teen moron. His stick has gotten more than tiresome, particularly his attacks on what is considered the best governor in the country by many. In one breath, he wants to take credit for getting DeSantis elected, and in the next, he is condemning what many Republicans consider the best governor in the nation. How stupid is this behavior?
TRUMP IS NOT ELECTABLE. IF HE WINS THE PRIMARY, HE IS GUARANTEED TO LOSE THE GENERAL. MANY REPUBLICANS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN.
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@jafo2010
As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).
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@jafo2010
As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).
Likely right, the way it looks now (though that don't mean a damn thing).
But if so, it will be just as intellectually bereft as an argument as it always is. :shrug:
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Yall seem to forget that the President submits a Budget every year and Trump's 4 Budgets were as big, if not bigger than the Two Ryan and pelousy passed, just appropriated differently, same consequence. As someone alluded to earlier, he did earn that 'King of Debt' nickname honestly.
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@jafo2010
As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).
Well, I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a positive direction.
I may just sit '24 out or vote down ballot.
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bigheadfred,
What you say is true if we had fair and free elections. We don't.
It doesn't matter who I vote for, the elections are fixed. If I and 30 million other voted for Trump ten times, they would fix it so that Biden or whoever won by 10, to 20,000 votes in each state.
Our republic is dead.
Until the American people are willing to do something, something with real teeth, then it just does not matter. You see what happened to thousands who merely protested, and got a bit destructive at the Capitol? Kept in prison for years waiting for trial, and many of them having done what amounts to nothing. And now they are going after 1,000 to 1,200 more folks with the intent of putting them in prison. We are borderline totalitarian with these Democommies, and if you know the history of Nazi Germany, you know it does not take much to go full blown totalitarian.
I sell solar systems, and I see fear in the eyes of the people that I sit across from. Many believe this country is facing total collapse at any moment. And the UGLY TRUTH is that I can see it. Without electric, everything stops in America. EVERYTHING!!! Two billionaires that I have followed for decades are now forecasting complete collapse of the electric grid, for months at a time. Mass anarchy. mass crime, mass death in the USA.
Ten years ago, I would have laugh at such thoughts as being idiocy. Now, I can see it happening. It is just a question of when.
I have a couple I sold solar to months ago, his system is installed. He gave me a tour of his home. He has one bedroom, floor to ceiling with 25 year survival food in canisters, and a 2nd room with two rows floor to ceiling. He has 20,000 rounds of ammo and does not have enough from his mindset. He has 8 - 300 gallon storage bins for water in the yard, and he is gathering more for survival. He stopped, looked at me, and said, are you prepared for the sh*t hitting the fan? I looked at him and said, if the sh*t hits the fan, I'm coming to live with you. He laughed. I said, I am serious. You think you can defend this horde with just you and your wife? I disturbed him immensely.
The guy that heads our install team, he told me that what I said got the customer thinking. Apparently I disturbed him so much he has now created a neighborhood group dedicated to survival, committed to each other for survival.
That is how much people are afraid today. They are establishing survival groups.
Imagine SIX MORE YEARS OF BIDEN AND HARRIS!!!!!!!!! The worst you never imagined is possible.
The idiocy of Washington is beyond belief. These Democommie *sshats want to eliminate all coal plants, all nuclear plants, and now with their push to eliminate carbon based fuels, they are pushing to eliminate natural gas and oil plants generating electric. That leaves hydro power, solar and wind turbine power. They have no plan in place to replace the forms of power generation they are eliminating. NONE! What does that mean? That means people in the USA and across the world dying prematurely, freezing to death in the winter, and dying of heat exposure in the summer. Those days are realistically coming. And if the two billionaires are right, we will go months without electric.
There have been numerous news reports that have said the following. The average home has but four days of food. Also, if the sh*t hits the fan, 90% of America will be dead in one year largely from starvation. I do not believe either one, but if the sh*t hits the fan, there will be anarchy, massive death and crime in the USA. And if we are dealing with that chaos, what happens to the rest of the world? Nothing good.
And then there is the war in Europe. Putin has no intention of ending it. Our military industrial complex has no intention of ending it either. Money does not matter. ANd the feds with Biden have no problem spending unlimited amounts of money. UNLIMITED!!!! REAL INFLATION HASN"T EVEN KICKED IN YET. We have a government clueless to what causes inflation, despite all these pukes having lived through the Carter years.
I expect interest rates to climb to double digits by the end of the year. That will kill the Real Estate market. It will un-employ 10 million+ folks in the USA. And that trend has already begun in earnest. SSI and Disability will be approaching 8% again for the next COLA increase. I expect to see empty shelves once again. Fuel will climb through the year and be back up and approaching $5 in Georgia. That is where I live, so the average nationally will be higher.
I see nothing good happening with Biden/Harris running this country, with their clown car of fools supporting them.
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Well, I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a positive direction.
I may just sit '24 out or vote down ballot.
Unless some kind of election integrity is restored it is over before it begins.
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Unless some kind of election integrity is restored it is over before it begins.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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bigheadfred,
What you say is true if we had fair and free elections. We don't.
It doesn't matter who I vote for, the elections are fixed. If I and 30 million other voted for Trump ten times, they would fix it so that Biden or whoever won by 10, to 20,000 votes in each state.
Our republic is dead.
Until the American people are willing to do something, something with real teeth, then it just does not matter. You see what happened to thousands who merely protested, and got a bit destructive at the Capitol? Kept in prison for years waiting for trial, and many of them having done what amounts to nothing. And now they are going after 1,000 to 1,200 more folks with the intent of putting them in prison. We are borderline totalitarian with these Democommies, and if you know the history of Nazi Germany, you know it does not take much to go full blown totalitarian.
I sell solar systems, and I see fear in the eyes of the people that I sit across from. Many believe this country is facing total collapse at any moment. And the UGLY TRUTH is that I can see it. Without electric, everything stops in America. EVERYTHING!!! Two billionaires that I have followed for decades are now forecasting complete collapse of the electric grid, for months at a time. Mass anarchy. mass crime, mass death in the USA.
Ten years ago, I would have laugh at such thoughts as being idiocy. Now, I can see it happening. It is just a question of when.
I have a couple I sold solar to months ago, his system is installed. He gave me a tour of his home. He has one bedroom, floor to ceiling with 25 year survival food in canisters, and a 2nd room with two rows floor to ceiling. He has 20,000 rounds of ammo and does not have enough from his mindset. He has 8 - 300 gallon storage bins for water in the yard, and he is gathering more for survival. He stopped, looked at me, and said, are you prepared for the sh*t hitting the fan? I looked at him and said, if the sh*t hits the fan, I'm coming to live with you. He laughed. I said, I am serious. You think you can defend this horde with just you and your wife? I disturbed him immensely.
The guy that heads our install team, he told me that what I said got the customer thinking. Apparently I disturbed him so much he has now created a neighborhood group dedicated to survival, committed to each other for survival.
That is how much people are afraid today. They are establishing survival groups.
Imagine SIX MORE YEARS OF BIDEN AND HARRIS!!!!!!!!! The worst you never imagined is possible.
The idiocy of Washington is beyond belief. These Democommie *sshats want to eliminate all coal plants, all nuclear plants, and now with their push to eliminate carbon based fuels, they are pushing to eliminate natural gas and oil plants generating electric. That leaves hydro power, solar and wind turbine power. They have no plan in place to replace the forms of power generation they are eliminating. NONE! What does that mean? That means people in the USA and across the world dying prematurely, freezing to death in the winter, and dying of heat exposure in the summer. Those days are realistically coming. And if the two billionaires are right, we will go months without electric.
There have been numerous news reports that have said the following. The average home has but four days of food. Also, if the sh*t hits the fan, 90% of America will be dead in one year largely from starvation. I do not believe either one, but if the sh*t hits the fan, there will be anarchy, massive death and crime in the USA. And if we are dealing with that chaos, what happens to the rest of the world? Nothing good.
And then there is the war in Europe. Putin has no intention of ending it. Our military industrial complex has no intention of ending it either. Money does not matter. ANd the feds with Biden have no problem spending unlimited amounts of money. UNLIMITED!!!! REAL INFLATION HASN"T EVEN KICKED IN YET. We have a government clueless to what causes inflation, despite all these pukes having lived through the Carter years.
I expect interest rates to climb to double digits by the end of the year. That will kill the Real Estate market. It will un-employ 10 million+ folks in the USA. And that trend has already begun in earnest. SSI and Disability will be approaching 8% again for the next COLA increase. I expect to see empty shelves once again. Fuel will climb through the year and be back up and approaching $5 in Georgia. That is where I live, so the average nationally will be higher.
I see nothing good happening with Biden/Harris running this country, with their clown car of fools supporting them.
@jafo2010 I absolutely agree with you. We've prepared as much as possible over the years; probably not enough for what's coming. We are much older and not in good health now so things are going to be much more difficult. We have a couple of neighbors that are younger and like-minded. I think we're all in agreement -- things aren't going to be pretty.
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@jafo2010 .
I missed your last post before mine. I have my doubts we can survive two more years of Biden/Harris, let alone six.
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@jafo2010 .
I missed your last post before mine. I have my doubts we can survive two more years of Biden/Harris, let alone six.
Two more years under Brandon this Republic will collapse.
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Well, I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a positive direction.
I may just sit '24 out or vote down ballot.
I totally agree you don't want to lose a Good Govenor BUT the Country NEEDS him and he seems willing to take the task on, Trump or NO.
Cruz would be in there too, maybe AG.
You will see many Conservatives back the DeSantis Campaign, once he declares.
Don't want to pizz off Trump this early in the election cycle and give him more time to think up prerogatives.
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SIMPLE CONCLUSION: does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence?
Yes...when they're not really voting for that guy, but against the other guy.
I know people who voted for Biden despite thinking he was senile. Their logic was 1) anybody is better than Trump, and 2) Biden would be surrounded by people who weren't senile, but still to the left, and they'd really be running things anyway. And you know what? They were right.
Same thing in Pennsylvania. Dr. Oz was an awful candidate viewed as a slick NJ carpetbagger by Pennsylvanians. And they'd rather have had a rotten one of their own than some guy from NJ.
People I know in Pa. detested Oz. Not because of his policies, but because he wasn't one of them. The guy was actually clueless enough that he ran a campaign commercial standing in front of his house in New Jersey. And of course, Fetterman's people picked up on that and blasted him.
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In a word: yes.
Especially if that idiot's campaign team can convince them that the other guy is evil. And let's face it, Trump hasn't helped his case.
Exactly.
One should never overestimate the American voting public.
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A friend of mine used to mention Occam's Razor 1-2 times a week in conversation. He was often right with his assessments.
With the election of 2020, I often think of him and Occam's Razor. He would use it consistently in reference to the unlikely outcome, the difficult to believe outcome of 2020. Nothing simple about HOW Biden won that election.
Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex. Simple theories are easier to verify. Simple solutions are easier to execute.
So, to summarize:
What is the simple in 2020?
Well, let's start with the mega counting center in the Philly area that forced poll watchers back 100 yards away from the counting, and then mounted poster boards on the windows to prevent them from seeing anything. That single act should have rendered EVERY VOTE NULL AND VOID in that center. Poll Watchers have a purpose, and when they are prevented from doing their job, the votes should be voided. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
There were entire batches of ballots with only the presidential race voted on, and none of the other elections marked. The odds of this if I recall were in the trillions or quadrillions. Meaning? The possibility was virtually impossible, and there were many batches of ballots with ONLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE VOTED ON.
Georgia: the legislature invited a hacker in to see if he could break into a Dominion machine. It took him about 15 minutes. How long do you think it would take someone from Dominion that had the backdoor code to get in? !5 seconds tops!!!!
Georgia: there is real video of people running the same batch through the counting machine, over and over again. Biden won by like 12,000 votes in Georgia. We are not talking about a huge effort to fix the election. We are talking about one hour's worth of effort by a handful of people. That's all. About one hour, if that!
All coin toss states stopped counting precisely at 2AM, with Trump ahead by huge margins, and 12 hours later, Biden was ahead by a margin of around 10,000 votes. Sure does appear an algorithm was used to produce those results.
Pennsylvania: I consider it the most corrupt state in the union. State Supreme Court judges, who had zero right to change laws weeks before the election, did so, in direct defiance of the legislature, who has the sole responsibility of making those decisions. Their last minute decisions should have been rendered null and void. They violated the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
And there were actions in all the toss up states that were at best questionable.
The virtually unanimous effort on all fronts to get rid of Trump was clearly apparent. The apparatus that made all that happen is still in place, with virtually nothing having been changed. NOTHING!!! Anyone that believes the Dems and many others will be more emboldened to stop Trump in 2024 has the correct assessment. It does not matter who the Dems run in 2024. And it does not matter if the GOP runs Trump, DeSantis, Cruz, take your pick. It does not matter. THE ELECTION WILL BE FIXED.
The difference in voting between the USA and Russia in national elections is non-existent. You think Putin has won every election since 2000? Really?
You think the simple answer to 2020 is that Biden actually won? Really? Someone tells you the Dominion systems are impenetrable and you believe them? Anyone that knows systems knows that if the intent exists for cheating, then it is a SIMPLE effort to do so, not a difficult one.
SIMPLE CONCLUSION: does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence? He virtually did not campaign, and when people did turn out, there were a dozen or so in the audience, where Trump had tens of thousands everywhere he went. I attended a rally that was estimated to have 70,000 people there, and it was nothing short of being electric.
One must also realize we have one party, the Uniparty. Conservative values have largely been lost in America for decades. Yes, there are exceptions in Congress, but the exceptions are not in control, and surely not in the majority. Starting with McConnell. He is perhaps the biggest rat f*** ever to exist in politics. RINO does not begin to characterize this rat. And he controls a ton of power, even as Minority Leader.
So, without fair elections, do we still have our republic? I say no.
The SIMPLE ANSWER. Did Fetterman really win the senate seat in Pennsylvania? Another fool that did not campaign, and could not utter a SIMPLE SENTENCE. You see, there is nothing SIMPLE in the equation of these morons winning elections. But to me, the SIMPLE is a three letter word.
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@jafo2010
EVERY word true,and all the alleged Republica Party People want to whine about is "Orange man rude!",and then encourage everyone to vote for their dream fringe candidate that couldn't win 10 percent of the votes IF the elections WEREN'T fixed.
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@jafo2010
As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).
@bigheadfred
You have something against the truth?
WHO is more likely to try to restore America to Americans,Biden or Trump?
OOOPS! That's right,Orange Man is rude!
AND even worse,rich.
Sorry.
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Well, I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a positive direction.
I may just sit '24 out or vote down ballot.
@libertybele
VERY clever thinking! You don't like the bad orange rich man who MIGHT try to turn America around and put us back on track as a free nation,so what the hell,let the left elect a fool with a double-digit IQ that is RULED by the internationalists as President!
Yeah,THAT's the ticket! You even get to blame Trump for losing instead of cretins like yourself for not voting against evil just because you don't like the idea of someone rich and rude being president.
Onward to the future of the past,comrades!
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(https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/02/16/13/43/justice-2071539_1280.jpg)
Without this we have nothing! Currently we have nothing!
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No
A president doesn’t have to be rude and arrogant in order to try and slow the trajectory we are on
He just needs aggressively to use his VETO power and the bully pulpit.
@LMAO
Another way the "perfect or nothing fools" say "rude and arrogant".
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Not entirely correct.
@Kamaji
What IS "entirely true" when it comes to national politics? NO president can tell the truth all the time and still get elected because there are so many "Me,ME,ME FIRST,DAMMIT!" voters out there that honestly don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.
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Trump was better on the border and energy that Biden.
The inflation monster was set in motion during Trump's tenure. Biden is fueling it.
The rest is just speculation
@LMAO
And here I was thinking it was Congress that voted for and passed the budget,and the Presidents only option was to sign it or shut the country down,including not mailing out the SS checks,paying the military,funding the Border Patrol,etc,etc,etc.
Presidents are ONLY in charge of the budget when THEIR party controls congress.
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When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
Ergo, NTs are at least partially, if not more, guilty for the destruction of the American nation?
Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.
What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."
I voted for him in 2016 and 2020, but won't vote for him in 2024. I suppose that makes me an NT now.
Biden has done a lot of damage, but less than he could have done if he would have had bigger majorities in the House and Senate. And after Republicans took back the House, he will be able to do even less damage now.
I think that if Trump wins in 2024, he and his supporters will cripple the GOP permanently. I don't think he will be able to accomplish anything of substance during his 4 years, and much of what he might accomplish will actually be bad. I also think that when he leaves office, the GOP would be in a much, much worse position than it is now.
I won't vote for a Democrat, but I won't vote for this clown for a third time either.
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@Kamaji
What IS "entirely true" when it comes to national politics? NO president can tell the truth all the time and still get elected because there are so many "Me,ME,ME FIRST,DAMMIT!" voters out there that honestly don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.
WADR, the only person who consistently demands "Me,ME,ME FIRST, DAMMIT!" is the Big Orange Shitshow.
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WADR, the only person who consistently demands "Me,ME,ME FIRST, DAMMIT!" is the Big Orange Shitshow.
Trump takes narcissism to pathlogical levels. Why the orange numbskulls are so hypnotized and mesmerized by this crap is amazing.
I guess both sides have their sheeple.
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Trump takes narcissism to pathlogical levels. Why the orange numbskulls are so hypnotized and mesmerized by this crap is amazing.
I guess both sides have their sheeple.
And if Ron DeSantis conducted himself the way Trump has or oversaw the largest debt increase, we would have no problem condemning him and opposing him
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WADR, the only person who consistently demands "Me,ME,ME FIRST, DAMMIT!" is the Big Orange Shitshow.
Uh huh
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@LMAO
Another way the "perfect or nothing fools" say "rude and arrogant".
Huh?
Since when is trying to reign in the size of government rude and arrogant?
Fights with Rosie O’Donnell on Twitter is petty. Fighting out of control spending is not.
And who here is demanding perfection in a candidate?
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And if Ron DeSantis conducted himself the way Trump has or oversaw the largest debt increase, we would have no problem condemning him and opposing him
Agree.
This country has been kicking the proverbial can down the road of fiscal sanity for decades now.
There will be a time, like or not that the "blank check", "unlimited credit card" fun will end. Leadership will be needed to address this, or we will become 1930 times 10..... Or a case study in 1923 Wiemar Republic or Zimbawe.
Don't know if DeSantis is the guy for this, but he sure can't do worse than Trump, who was the worst in history fiscally.
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Huh?
Since when is trying to reign in the size of government rude and arrogant?
Fights with Rosie O’Donnell on Twitter is petty. Fighting out of control spending is not.
Got to admit at least this time it wasn't orange and rude. Just arrogant and rude. Pete's improving. :cool:
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Agree.
This country has been kicking the proverbial can down the road of fiscal sanity for decades now.
There will be a time, like or not that the "blank check", "unlimited credit card" fun will end. Leadership will be needed to address this, or we will become 1930 times 10..... Or a case study in 1923 Wiemar Republic or Zimbawe.
Don't know if DeSantis is the guy for this, but he sure can't do worse than Trump, who was the worst in history fiscally.
His record in Congress was fairly fiscally conservative so he at least, for now, has that mindset. This is why MAGA is threatened by him. They don’t want that contrast with Trump’s record
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WADR, the only person who consistently demands "Me,ME,ME FIRST, DAMMIT!" is the Big Orange Shitshow.
@Kamaji
Total BullBush!
Yeah,he does talk all the time about "what *I* will do when *I* am President,but that is standard for every Presidential candidate.
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Trump takes narcissism to pathlogical levels. Why the orange numbskulls are so hypnotized and mesmerized by this crap is amazing.
I guess both sides have their sheeple.
@catfish1957
For me,it is the "little things",like saving America and taking it back from the left.
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@catfish1957
For me,it is the "little things",like saving America and taking it back from the left.
By being the most fiscally irresponsible POTUS in history? How is that saving America? More like destroying it.
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And if Ron DeSantis conducted himself the way Trump has or oversaw the largest debt increase, we would have no problem condemning him and opposing him
@LMAO
True,you people are total suckers for the "Ahm a modest candidate,jist laik yew are a modest peeppulls. Ah wuz evin born ina log cabin,not ah mansion laik dat rich rude orange mans!"
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By being the most fiscally irresponsible POTUS in history? How is that saving America? More like destroying it.
Well he does make the hens on “The View” heads explode
So there’s that if that’s how one defines as “saving America”
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@LMAO
True,you people are total suckers for the "Ahm a modest candidate,jist laik yew are a modest peeppulls. Ah wuz evin born ina log cabin,not ah mansion laik dat rich rude orange mans!"
You are calling us suckers?
Never has this meme been more apt.
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Good-Fellas-Hilarious.jpg)
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@Kamaji
Total BullBush!
Yeah,he does talk all the time about "what *I* will do when *I* am President,but that is standard for every Presidential candidate.
:mauslaff:
No, @sneakypete, he talks about how he was robbed, about how they're being so cruel and vindictive to him.
Riddle me this: if Trump really cared about the country, and if Trump really was convinced the democrats used illegal methods to steal the election from him, then why hasn't he devoted the bulk of his time to advocating for fixes to the election system to prevent the democrats from doing that again?
That would be something he could have done for the country, not just for himself. But no, instead, he spent his efforts building up his own pet platform alternative to twitter, so he could prance around on his own social media platform, complaining about what's been done to him, and tearing down anyone else who might present a challenge to him in the next GOP primary.
Trump is all about himself, not about the country, and not about you.
When are you going to figure that out?
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Huh?
Since when is trying to reign in the size of government rude and arrogant?
Are you REALLY so freaking clueless that you HONESTLY think that is going to happen if you elect some milktoast candidate,just because he is polite and more like you are used to voting for?
Do I REALLY need to remind you of the end result of turned out to be after continued voting for what you are used to voting for?
Fights with Rosie O’Donnell on Twitter is petty.
So what" Like it or not the reality is that cretin speaks for a lot of Dim voters.
Fighting out of control spending is not.
Yeah,and that is REALLY going to happen with DeSantis or any other Presidential candidate. The TRUTH is something you and others like you refuse to see because you have your heads up your asses. The TRUTH is spending is now LESS important than new laws putting us closer to joining the "international borg".
How close to balancing a national budget do YOU honestly think we are ever going to get when there are no such things as independent nations and we are ALL a part of the Borg?
And who here is demanding perfection in a candidate?
Certainly not you or others like you. All YOU care about is having more money in your pocket.
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By being the most fiscally irresponsible POTUS in history? How is that saving America? More like destroying it.
@catfish1957
It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT",and "MY money" 24/7 with you people,isn't it?
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Well he does make the hens on “The View” heads explode
@LMAO
I'll have to take your word for that. I don't watch trash shows like that.
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@LMAO
True,you people are total suckers for the "Ahm a modest candidate,jist laik yew are a modest peeppulls. Ah wuz evin born ina log cabin,not ah mansion laik dat rich rude orange mans!"
Lashing out at us isn't doing you any favors. We all know your repeated rhetoric by now @sneakypete However your orange rude rich man has become unhinged. To repeatedly go after a very popular and conservative governor who hasn't even announced he's running is uncalled for and raises question about Trump's state of mind. That is my concern and should be the concern of his worshipers.
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Are you REALLY so freaking clueless that you HONESTLY think that is going to happen if you elect some milktoast candidate,just because he is polite and more like you are used to voting for?
Do I REALLY need to remind you of the end result of turned out to be after continued voting for what you are used to voting for?
So what" Like it or not the reality is that cretin speaks for a lot of Dim voters.
Yeah,and that is REALLY going to happen with DeSantis or any other Presidential candidate. The TRUTH is something you and others like you refuse to see because you have your heads up your asses. The TRUTH is spending is now LESS important than new laws putting us closer to joining the "international borg".
How close to balancing a national budget do YOU honestly think we are ever going to get when there are no such things as independent nations and we are ALL a part of the Borg?
Certainly not you or others like you. All YOU care about is having more money in your pocket.
Wow. You really drank the orange koolaid to the dregs at the very bottom, didn't you.
Trump's in-your-face behavior would be great if (a) he used it to accomplish something other than wadding up the panties of the harpies on The View, and (b) it evinced some measure of forethought and planning. As it is, it does nothing more than get liberal panties wadded up; it certainly isn't a precursor to getting anything actually accomplished - unlike DeSantis who, to-date, after ridiculing liberals, has managed to start reining in the "woke" schools in Florida and managed to put a real hurt on "woke" Disney.
DeSantis is accomplishing things and his nose-tweaking appears to have some strategic thought behind it, beyond simply wadding up liberal undies.
Trump never did.
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You are calling us suckers?
@catfish1957
World class suckers. You MIGHT represent 10-15 percent of the voters,and you think being selfish and self-serving is a winning platform.
Cuasen hit's all bout da benjamins for you and other narrow-minded people like you.
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@catfish1957
World class suckers. You MIGHT represent 10-15 percent of the voters,and you think being selfish and self-serving is a winning platform.
Cuasen hit's all bout da benjamins for you and other narrow-minded people like you.
:mauslaff:
Wow. Trump may suck up all the oxygen in the room, but you manage to suck up most of the orange koolaid.
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I think we all want to save America and take on the radical left. But we also understand that in order to do that, you have to get elected first
Trump had huge problems with the voting public even before his meltdowns.
I don’t think that anybody who supports Donald Trump wants to destroy the country. They just believe that he’s the only one that can do that, despite a lot of evidence to the contrary.
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:mauslaff:
No, @sneakypete, he talks about how he was robbed, about how they're being so cruel and vindictive to him.
@Kamaji
In addition to being right about that,America was also robbed by the Dim theft of the election. Go ahead,try to defend Biden by saying America is better off with him as President than with Trump as President.
Riddle me this: if Trump really cared about the country, and if Trump really was convinced the democrats used illegal methods to steal the election from him, then why hasn't he devoted the bulk of his time to advocating for fixes to the election system to prevent the democrats from doing that again?
He can't do that unless he is elected. A small matter you anti-Trumpers seem to keep overlooking. BTW,he WAS elected,but the DNC and their RINO pals in power stole the election from him.
That would be something he could have done for the country, not just for himself. But no, instead, he spent his efforts building up his own pet platform alternative to twitter, so he could prance around on his own social media platform, complaining about what's been done to him, and tearing down anyone else who might present a challenge to him in the next GOP primary.
And there is is,"Rude,Rich,Orange Man." I guess he is supposed to be SUPPORTING people who challenge his run for the WH?
Rude Orange Rich Man hurted your feelings?
When are you going to figure that out?
I am not the one that needs to figure anything out.
The FIRST think YOU and people like you need to figure out is neither the election OR America is about YOU and your savings and checking accounts.
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@Kamaji
In addition to being right about that,America was also robbed by the Dim theft of the election. Go ahead,try to defend Biden by saying America is better off with him as President than with Trump as President.
He can't do that unless he is elected. A small matter you anti-Trumpers seem to keep overlooking. BTW,he WAS elected,but the DNC and their RINO pals in power stole the election from him.
And there is is,"Rude,Rich,Orange Man." I guess he is supposed to be SUPPORTING people who challenge his run for the WH?
Rude Orange Rich Man hurted your feelings?
I am not the one that needs to figure anything out.
The FIRST think YOU and people like you need to figure out is neither the election OR America is about YOU and your savings and checking accounts.
The election is about America, which is why Trump should not be a part of it, because for Trump, everything is about him, nothing is about America.
When Trump says "Make America Great Again" he is speaking the truth just as much as an antifa member is when that member says he's anti-fascist.
Actions count; words not so much. And on that count, Trump fails.
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@catfish1957
It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT",and "MY money" 24/7 with you people,isn't it?
So your accusatory of supposed self centered cries "me, me", and overall destruction of this country into a dystopian economic wasteland due to drunken governmental spending are the same things?
I thought you were sharper than that.
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You have something against the truth?
@sneakypete
It is not the truth.
WHO is more likely to try to restore America to Americans,Biden or Trump?
Neither one. And and just like that, you are back to messianic thinking.
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@libertybele
VERY clever thinking! You don't like the bad orange rich man who MIGHT try to turn America around and put us back on track as a free nation,so what the hell,let the left elect a fool with a double-digit IQ that is RULED by the internationalists as President!
Yeah,THAT's the ticket! You even get to blame Trump for losing instead of cretins like yourself for not voting against evil just because you don't like the idea of someone rich and rude being president.
Onward to the future of the past,comrades!
@sneakypete
He will not. Proven. Stop looking at what he is saying and look at the damn record.
And right back to the 'lesser' evil argument... It is almost Pavlovian...
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@LMAO
And here I was thinking it was Congress that voted for and passed the budget,and the Presidents only option was to sign it or shut the country down,including not mailing out the SS checks,paying the military,funding the Border Patrol,etc,etc,etc.
Presidents are ONLY in charge of the budget when THEIR party controls congress.
@sneakypete
Yeah, that's bullcrap. To fast track, administration aids are part and parcel of the budget in committee, right from the start... word is given all the way around before the bill hits the floor... The President knows what he is signing. His people helped to get it there.
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@Kamaji
In addition to being right about that,America was also robbed by the Dim theft of the election. Go ahead,try to defend Biden by saying America is better off with him as President than with Trump as President.
He can't do that unless he is elected. A small matter you anti-Trumpers seem to keep overlooking. BTW,he WAS elected,but the DNC and their RINO pals in power stole the election from him.
And there is is,"Rude,Rich,Orange Man." I guess he is supposed to be SUPPORTING people who challenge his run for the WH?
Rude Orange Rich Man hurted your feelings?
I am not the one that needs to figure anything out.
The FIRST think YOU and people like you need to figure out is neither the election OR America is about YOU and your savings and checking accounts.
Do you really believe that the fine people on this forum only care about their own checkbooks and savings accounts?
Wow…just wow
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For me,it is the "little things",like saving America and taking it back from the left.
@sneakypete
That is not what happened in his first term. Why would you expect it again?
'Because 'Murica' is nothing but a bumper sticker.
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@LMAO
True,you people are total suckers for the "Ahm a modest candidate,jist laik yew are a modest peeppulls. Ah wuz evin born ina log cabin,not ah mansion laik dat rich rude orange mans!"
Again, false.
If DeSantis spends like Tumpy, he'd be dead to me. I would drop him like a hot rock, and would excoriate him just like I do Tumpy.
All I care about are the principles of Conservatism. That's what I want. If he will not deliver, then he is nothing different than Tumpy.
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You are calling us suckers?
Never has this meme been more apt.
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Good-Fellas-Hilarious.jpg)
*FACTS*
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Yeah,and that is REALLY going to happen with DeSantis or any other Presidential candidate. The TRUTH is something you and others like you refuse to see because you have your heads up your asses. The TRUTH is spending is now LESS important than new laws putting us closer to joining the "international borg".
How close to balancing a national budget do YOU honestly think we are ever going to get when there are no such things as independent nations and we are ALL a part of the Borg?
Exactly bass ackwards, @sneakypete ...
Hyperinflation crashing the dollar is what will cause us to submit to the borg. It will cause a new 'digital' dollar to be created to replace the defunct dollar, and just like that...
A strong dollar and unburdened economy, free of international obligations... THAT's what gives us the ability to choose our own way.
There is actually nothing MORE important than fiscal matters.
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@catfish1957
It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT",and "MY money" 24/7 with you people,isn't it?
@sneakypete
What an incredibly ignorant statement. *****rollingeyes*****
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Wow. You really drank the orange koolaid to the dregs at the very bottom, didn't you.
Trump's in-your-face behavior would be great if (a) he used it to accomplish something other than wadding up the panties of the harpies on The View, and (b) it evinced some measure of forethought and planning. As it is, it does nothing more than get liberal panties wadded up; it certainly isn't a precursor to getting anything actually accomplished - unlike DeSantis who, to-date, after ridiculing liberals, has managed to start reining in the "woke" schools in Florida and managed to put a real hurt on "woke" Disney.
DeSantis is accomplishing things and his nose-tweaking appears to have some strategic thought behind it, beyond simply wadding up liberal undies.
Trump never did.
BOOM!
There it is. GREAT post.
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@sneakypete
What an incredibly ignorant statement. *****rollingeyes*****
I don't think he understands basic economics very well.
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BOOM!
There it is. GREAT post.
I also noticed that our great contingent of Trump followers are basically ignoring Trump's FDR like "New Deal" "New Cities" bullshit, that will added 10's of trillions of dollars on to the debt.
What selective amnesia. Fools.
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@catfish1957
World class suckers. You MIGHT represent 10-15 percent of the voters,and you think being selfish and self-serving is a winning platform.
Cuasen hit's all bout da benjamins for you and other narrow-minded people like you.
What do you think is going to happen when the dollar craashes @sneakypete ?
When the dollar goes to zero, ALL defense options stop. All import/export stops. All international obligations become due. And on main street, everything is reduced to barter. There is not a more vulnerable state possible.
It is NOT selfish to stand against that happening.
And it IS happening.
It is almost baked in.
And your boy signed up for a quarter to a full third of it, all by himself. More than anyone else.
And you want MORE?
It boggles the mind.
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I don't think he understands basic economics very well.
It is quite obvious
There was a point, I think it was during the 2016 primary, were Donald Trump says that we should keep borrowing because interest rates are low. Ted Cruz pointed out that low interest rates only hid the true cost of government.
Interest rates aren’t low anymore. MAGAs believe that we can print, spend, and borrow as much as we need to with no ill effects as long as that money is spent on Americans and in America.
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In addition to being right about that,America was also robbed by the Dim theft of the election. Go ahead,try to defend Biden by saying America is better off with him as President than with Trump as President.
Back to the lesser evil argument... America is better off with neither one.
America is better off with a strong, Conservative Republican party fighting FOR small government and AGAINST big government, which is the ONLY thing that will put the genie back in the bottle.
THAT is the truth.
And that AIN'T TUMPY.
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So your accusatory of supposed self centered cries "me, me", and overall destruction of this country into a dystopian economic wasteland due to drunken governmental spending are the same things?
I thought you were sharper than that.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
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It is quite obvious
There was a point, I think it was during the 2016 primary, were Donald Trump says that we should keep borrowing because interest rates are low. Ted Cruz pointed out that low interest rates only hid the true cost of government.
Interest rates aren’t low anymore. MAGAs believe that we can print, spend, and borrow as much as we need to with no ill effects as long as that money is spent on Americans and in America.
I feel sorry for him in the fact that I personally have configured myself for every economic scenario for survivial. I am downright obsesssed with it. I wonder how he has prepared.
I do not know his economic status, but the one's who complain about the rich, are the ones who suffer the most in a 30's like crash, or hyperinflation. I wish I could get through his skull that maybe the most important service our government provides is good fiscally sound economic policies that allows this country to excel on the world's stage.
That includes curbing runaway deficit spending, which he (DJT) was the King. Is DeSantis the solution? We don't know, but I wil bet good money he won't be as bad as Trump.
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I don't think he understands basic economics very well.
Yeah... no. **nononono*
Modern problems. Many have no clue what awaits when the dollar falls...
There is no more dire circumstance.
And it is surely coming, if not already here.
Somebody HAS TO turn it around now.
And that ain't Tumpy.
That'd be like giving the keys to the head thief. *****rollingeyes*****
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I also noticed that our great contingent of Trump followers are basically ignoring Trump's FDR like "New Deal" "New Cities" bullshit, that will added 10's of trillions of dollars on to the debt.
What selective amnesia. Fools.
Oh yeah it does... And it stinks of Davos and the '15 Minute cities' of their 'utopia'...
Folks just cannot see past the Kabuki theater.
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So your accusatory of supposed self centered cries "me, me", and overall destruction of this country into a dystopian economic wasteland due to drunken governmental spending are the same things?
I thought you were sharper than that.
@catfish1957
Nice try,but it didn't work. Much like your vote for President won't work.
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@sneakypete
It is not the truth.
Neither one. And and just like that, you are back to messianic thinking.
@roamer_1
No,I am right back to supporting the ONLY candidate that has a chance of winning and making America better than it is,the Orange ego-manic that cares about NOTHING more than he cares about going into the history books as "the President that saved America."
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@roamer_1
No,I am right back to supporting the ONLY candidate that has a chance of winning and making America better than it is,the Orange ego-manic that cares about NOTHING more than he cares about going into the history books as "the President that saved America."
:mauslaff:
So, are we back to magical thinking, a la Vietnam, where we have to destroy America in order to save it?
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That includes curbing runaway deficit spending, which he (DJT) was the King. Is DeSantis the solution? We don't know, but I wil bet good money he won't be as bad as Trump.
And that's right too - It's a bet. Might not play. We all know that. But it's a fair bet.
Personally, I doubt he can put us on an austerity footing, even with both houses.
Even breaking even would be a monumental task.
But breaking even and stopping more spending is no where near enough.
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@roamer_1
No,I am right back to supporting the ONLY candidate that has a chance of winning and making America better than it is,the Orange ego-manic that cares about NOTHING more than he cares about going into the history books as "the President that saved America."
@sneakypete
An absurdity... Especially in the light of his first term.
They boxed him into EOs and nothing got done... And it only cost us 8 trillion in debt.
That, friend, is an utter failure.
Don't go there again. We ain't got time for that, and we certainly can't afford it.
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:mauslaff:
So, are we back to magical thinking, a la Vietnam, where we have to destroy America in order to save it?
@Kamaji
I don't have the first freaking clue how you came up with a brain fart like that one.
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And that's right too - It's a bet. Might not play. We all know that. But it's a fair bet.
Personally, I doubt he can put us on an austerity footing, even with both houses.
Even breaking even would be a monumental task.
But breaking even and stopping more spending is no where near enough.
@roamer_1
REGARDESS of who the candidate/potential next President is,what the HELL would be wrong with breaking even and stopping more out of control spending.
I CAN'T be the only one that would see that as being a SERIOUS step in the right direction.
Not that I think that is actually possible in the short term. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we aren't going to cure the problem and get back on a stable financial footing overnight,either.
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@roamer_1
REGARDESS of who the candidate/potential next President is,what the HELL would be wrong with breaking even and stopping more out of control spending.
I CAN'T be the only one that would see that as being a SERIOUS step in the right direction.
Not that I think that is actually possible in the short term. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we aren't going to cure the problem and get back on a stable financial footing overnight,either.
I agree with that -- people who are impatient and demand too much at one time end up getting nothing. What is needed is long-term discipline, but more importantly some structural changes in things like entitlements and other spending.
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@roamer_1
REGARDESS of who the candidate/potential next President is,what the HELL would be wrong with breaking even and stopping more out of control spending.
I CAN'T be the only one that would see that as being a SERIOUS step in the right direction.
Not that I think that is actually possible in the short term. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we aren't going to cure the problem and get back on a stable financial footing overnight,either.
@sneakypete
Breaking even, and stopping new spending....
Right now the US government spends near or more than the entire country makes.
Let that sink in.
No really let that sink in.
We passed anything near sustainable under GWB.
And Obummer doubled that.
And Tumpy doubled that.
And so far, Biteme ain't no better.
How many years can YOU go spending more on credit than you make? Or charging half of what you make?
This ain't hard dude. This is kitchen table shit.
Government cannot cost more than we make as a country.
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I agree with that -- people who are impatient and demand too much at one time end up getting nothing. What is needed is long-term discipline, but more importantly some structural changes in things like entitlements and other spending.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Yup,and that will be easy-peasy as long as all we ask is that people vote for pols that want people OTHER than them to bear the financial sacrifices.
The call will be what it always is,"Let the Sacred Cows of OTHER people be the ones butchered!"
Selfish Self-Interest is the key word of the day,as it is the key word of EVERY day.
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---unlike DeSantis who, to-date, after ridiculing liberals, has managed to start reining in the "woke" schools in Florida and managed to put a real hurt on "woke" Disney.
DeSantis is a Republican governor ----- doing what Republican governors do----he's reining in woke directives. He's also late to this counter-party. He's following, not leading.
Ron is not a trailblazer on any issue. He has spent his political career sitting in the canteen watching which way the winds are blowing. He has never seen the tip of the political spear, nevermind been on it. He is, at best, an overrated political mimic.
As for the "real hurt" DeSantis put on Disney, he signed a bill giving Disney what it wanted most, including: --exemption from sales tax & property tax, --tax-free bonds and --expedited permitting.
In a victory lap, Disney has announced it will host what’s billed as “the largest LGBTQ+ conference in the world” in September with Out & Equal, a California-based LGBTQ+ workplace equality organization.
DeSantis is accomplishing things and his nose-tweaking appears to have some strategic thought behind it, beyond simply wadding up liberal undies.
Let's introduce some fact-based reality into this talking point.
DeSantis had zero accomplishments in Congress and as for his Florida record --- he needs to thank his Republican Supreme Court and Republican super-majority in both chambers of his Statehouse.
DeSantis has never negotiated a win against ANY opposition. He is completely untested ---- not even he has any idea if he's got what that would take to win. Worse yet, not even he knows what or who he would be fighting for.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Yup,and that will be easy-peasy as long as all we ask is that people vote for pols that want people OTHER than them to bear the financial sacrifices.
The call will be what it always is,"Let the Sacred Cows of OTHER people be the ones butchered!"
Selfish Self-Interest is the key word of the day,as it is the key word of EVERY day.
When I was in my 40's and even 50's, I was supporting long-term reform of entitlements big-time, even though I was in the group likely to be hurt the worst. But I agree that a lot of folks aren't willing to do that. The weird thing is that younger people should be the most supportive of entitlement reform, because the program will be in huge trouble by the time they're older. But they're not educated on the issue, and so their general leftward-lean makes them opposed to it.
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When I was in my 40's and even 50's, I was supporting long-term reform of entitlements big-time, even though I was in the group likely to be hurt the worst. But I agree that a lot of folks aren't willing to do that. The weird thing is that younger people should be the most supportive of entitlement reform, because the program will be in huge trouble by the time they're older. But they're not educated on the issue, and so their general leftward-lean makes them opposed to it.
And the longer we avoid the issue of entitlements, the more hurt is going to come.
We know that Donald Trump has no desire whatsoever to do anything regarding entitlements. He did Toy with the idea and seemed open to it while president. But that’s gone.
He’s now attacking any candidate that attempted to address the issue
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@roamer_1
REGARDESS of who the candidate/potential next President is,what the HELL would be wrong with breaking even and stopping more out of control spending.
I CAN'T be the only one that would see that as being a SERIOUS step in the right direction.
Not that I think that is actually possible in the short term. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we aren't going to cure the problem and get back on a stable financial footing overnight,either.
:mauslaff:
You won't get a stop to out-of-control spending with another Trump administration. You didn't get it with the first Trump administration, and he has already committed himself to positions that will guarantee more out-of-control spending in a second Trump administration.
So, which do you want? An out-of-control narcissist whose only clear talent is getting the ladies on The View to clench their glutea and wad up their undies, or do you want some measure of control brought to federal spending?
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When I was in my 40's and even 50's, I was supporting long-term reform of entitlements big-time, even though I was in the group likely to be hurt the worst. But I agree that a lot of folks aren't willing to do that. The weird thing is that younger people should be the most supportive of entitlement reform, because the program will be in huge trouble by the time they're older. But they're not educated on the issue, and so their general leftward-lean makes them opposed to it.
:thumbsup:
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When I was in my 40's and even 50's, I was supporting long-term reform of entitlements big-time, even though I was in the group likely to be hurt the worst. But I agree that a lot of folks aren't willing to do that. The weird thing is that younger people should be the most supportive of entitlement reform, because the program will be in huge trouble by the time they're older. But they're not educated on the issue, and so their general leftward-lean makes them opposed to it.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Yup,but it is the nature of younger people to "live in the moment and let time take care of itself". Life only seems to get "real" for most people when they have housepayments,children in school,and the other ugly financial realities of life.
Living the "What,ME worry" life is fun,but it doesn't last.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Yup,but it is the nature of younger people to "live in the moment and let time take care of itself". Life only seems to get "real" for most people when they have housepayments,children in school,and the other ugly financial realities of life.
Living the "What,ME worry" life is fun,but it doesn't last.
Then why is Trump - who supposedly is past the "what, me worry" stage of life - advocating for more of the same senseless, live-in-the-minute, out of control spending?
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Then why is Trump - who supposedly is past the "what, me worry" stage of life - advocating for more of the same senseless, live-in-the-minute, out of control spending?
Because he's a populist, and so does whatever he thinks will make his tribe happy. I know that you already know that, too.
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@Kamaji
You won't get a stop to out-of-control spending with another Trump administration.
Where did I ever claim we would,bubba?
You didn't get it with the first Trump administration,
And we won't get it in ANY Presidents first term.
and he has already committed himself to positions that will guarantee more out-of-control spending in a second Trump administration.
You mean meeting obligations already made?
You DO understand that nobody becomes President without getting elected,right?
AND.....,I am under NO delusions about Trump,or anyone else getting spending under control in one term,or even two terms,which he can't get anyhow.
We didn't get into this financial hole in any one 4 year period,and we are not going to get out of it in any one 4 OR 8 year period. Changes in spending HAVE to be made,and a lot of those changes are going to be unpopular no matter WHO the President is at that time.
So, which do you want? An out-of-control narcissist whose only clear talent is getting the ladies on The View to clench their glutea and wad up their undies,
Awww,da poor bay-bay! Did the rude Orange man hurt hims feelwings?
I don't give a rabid rats ass if he dances naked on live tv,AS LONG AS HE TRIES TO STOP THE ADVANCE OF BANKRUPTCY,AND THE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP THAT IT WILL BRING ABOUT.
or do you want some measure of control brought to federal spending?
Ok,the ball is in your court. You have already told us who (as long as he is named "Trump) CAN'T get spending under control,so tells us who CAN and WILL do that.
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Then why is Trump - who supposedly is past the "what, me worry" stage of life - advocating for more of the same senseless, live-in-the-minute, out of control spending?
@Kamaji
You mean "honoring obligations ALREADY MADE BY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND APPROVED BY CONGRESS"?
PLEASE tell us all who you would pick for President who could and would do all that. Fictional characters don't count.
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Where did I ever claim we would,bubba?
And we won't get it in ANY Presidents first term.
You mean meeting obligations already made?
You DO understand that nobody becomes President without getting elected,right?
AND.....,I am under NO delusions about Trump,or anyone else getting spending under control in one term,or even two terms,which he can't get anyhow.
We didn't get into this financial hole in any one 4 year period,and we are not going to get out of it in any one 4 OR 8 year period. Changes in spending HAVE to be made,and a lot of those changes are going to be unpopular no matter WHO the President is at that time.
Awww,da poor bay-bay! Did the rude Orange man hurt hims feelwings?
I don't give a rabid rats ass if he dances naked on live tv,AS LONG AS HE TRIES TO STOP THE ADVANCE OF BANKRUPTCY,AND THE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP THAT IT WILL BRING ABOUT.
Ok,the ball is in your court. You have already told us who (as long as he is named "Trump) CAN'T get spending under control,so tells us who CAN and WILL do that.
/snicker
Who will do better than Trump at controlling the spending? Just about anyone other than another democrat. In particular, anyone who is willing to give due consideration to entitlement reform, something that Trump has no flat-out refused.
As for the rest of your childish insults: GFY
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@Kamaji
You mean "honoring obligations ALREADY MADE BY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND APPROVED BY CONGRESS"?
PLEASE tell us all who you would pick for President who could and would do all that. Fictional characters don't count.
No, I don't. And that is not what Trump is doing. Trump was right there in the midst of it spending like a drunken democrat in 2020. Trump wants to continue to spend like a drunken democrat if he gets in again.
And you just don't care, because Trump manages to get the ladies on The View to wad their undies up. He never does anything constructive with that rudeness, unlike certain others, but what do you care? All you want to do is feel some schadenfreude when Trump gets another pair of liberal knickers to wad themselves. And the greatness of America be damned.
Drink up, boyo:
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@Kamaji
You mean "honoring obligations ALREADY MADE BY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND APPROVED BY CONGRESS"?
PLEASE tell us all who you would pick for President who could and would do all that. Fictional characters don't count.
@sneakypete
Trump supported all the additional Covid spending that put money in peoples' pockets for doing nothing and destroyed the work ethic of a generation. Young people still don't think its fair they have to do unpleasant jobs for a living. And why should they when we handed out cash like candy?
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Trump handing out cash to people as opposed to BushII handing out cash to big banks and corps.
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@sneakypete
Trump supported all the additional Covid spending that put money in peoples' pockets for doing nothing and destroyed the work ethic of a generation. Young people still don't think its fair they have to do unpleasant jobs for a living. And why should they when we handed out cash like candy?
Also silently missing from these discussions from our resident Trump contingent is the campaign speeches recently from Trump promising to build new glorious cities. Which based on my estimate would add anothr $10-$20T to the national debt if there is any level of fed underwriting.
This fool is coming across more like FDR than Reagan. And that is exactly what we don't need right now.
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Trump handing out cash to people as opposed to BushII handing out cash to big banks and corps.
Uh, no, not quite.
There are published lists of who got COVID-19 funding; it wasn't limited to regular people; the main benefactors were large firms.
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Trump handing out cash to people as opposed to BushII handing out cash to big banks and corps.
Handing out cash is handing out cash, no matter what... And that's YOUR money... Actually no, that's your grandbabies' money at this point.
The government does not have cash of its own.
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Trump handing out cash to people as opposed to BushII handing out cash to big banks and corps.
And there's the essence of populism in a nutshell. You're not against spending as long as the money goes to the working class.
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Also silently missing from these discussions from our resident Trump contingent is the campaign speeches recently from Trump promising to build new glorious cities. Which based on my estimate would add anothr $10-$20T to the national debt if there is any level of fed underwriting.
This fool is coming across more like FDR than Reagan. And that is exactly what we don't need right now.
Has he really said that?? That's hilarious.
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Has he really said that?? That's hilarious.
Crap....
Know I heard it yesterday, but can't find one damned transcript of it.
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Crap....
Know I heard it yesterday, but can't find one damned transcript of it.
I'm not sure how much federal spending he's proposing for his shiny new cities, but apparently they're supposed to be built on federal land: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/03/politics/donald-trump-freedom-cities-flying-cars/index.html
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Crap....E
Know I heard it yesterday, but can't find one damned transcript of it.
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A quick search gives a Forbes article of "Freedom Cities". With a video, but I didn't watch it. :shrug:
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I'm not sure how much federal spending he's proposing for his shiny new cities, but apparently they're supposed to be built on federal land: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/03/politics/donald-trump-freedom-cities-flying-cars/index.html
You mean we get to be the Jetsons? Someone check Trump's ashtray for cannabis.
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You mean we get to be the Jetsons? Someone check Trump's ashtray for cannabis.
I don't know that he could set the crack pipe down long enough to use pot. Although his apparent fetish for eating Cheetos, naked, while sitting in a beanbag (chair) may belie that.
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You mean we get to be the Jetsons? Someone check Trump's ashtray for cannabis.
:mauslaff:
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I don't know that he could set the crack pipe down long enough to use pot. Although his apparent fetish for eating Cheetos, naked, while sitting in a beanbag (chair) may belie that.
(https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1177822721/photo/cannabis-smoking-accessories.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=4WYbbJBHDwYoIAMlrV1hxXafpiboQ-zNVqqhtO-fiJ4=)
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Drink up, boyo:
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Right after you eat up, sparky.
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Right after you eat up, sparky.
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Quit being so FOS. Trump hired and unleashed Fauxci to lead the pandemic effort. That's on him sparky.
And masks? The orange POTUS was so enamored with 'em he got some with the presidential seal.
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Right after you eat up, sparky.
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Why do I feel like I am suddenly stuck in the second grade?
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Why do I feel like I am suddenly stuck in the second grade?
I've been asking that question for a while now.
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Bears repeating....
Does anyone else think that the man who harps on DeSantis' Pandemic record in a campaign Stump...... Is the same one who hired and unleashed Anthony Fauxci on us.......... might be a little uncoupled from scale and reality?
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Although his apparent fetish for eating Cheetos, naked, while sitting in a beanbag (chair) may belie that.
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Bears repeating....
Does anyone else think that the man who harps on DeSantis' Pandemic record in a campaign Stump...... Is the same one who hired and unleashed Anthony Fauxci on us.......... might be a little uncoupled from scale and reality?
Absolutely. I've been using the word unhinged, but uncoupled works just as well.
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Absolutely. I've been using the word unhinged, but uncoupled works just as well.
In '16 I think the binary argument might have worked for Trump when it came down to brass tacks in November.
I don't think conservatives are buying it this time. We see what Fauci did, Trump's massive federal debt, and now promises of shining new Trump cities with Jetson Cars that harken more of the days of FDR than Reagan.
Watch for a big drop in turnout or 3rd party departure.
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Watch for a big drop in turnout or 3rd party departure.
Which in my opinion, will be a better shot for conservatives in 2028 versus 2024. Trump will not win the general election.
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Which in my opinion, will be a better shot for conservatives in 2028 versus 2024. Trump will not win for the general election.
True, but can we survive 6 years of what has happened the last 2. Maybe our best hope is to flood efforts toward securing the senate and house, and just let Trump F-himself, while being as obstructionist we can with this or the next dim POTUS.
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Which in my opinion, will be a better shot for conservatives in 2028 versus 2024. Trump will not win for the general election.
With the leftists in control, if you think that this Republic is going to last until 2028, you I'm afraid are in for a very rude awakening.
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Which in my opinion, will be a better shot for conservatives in 2028 versus 2024. Trump will not win for the general election.
I think that's a pretty accurate assumption. He's gone after a conservative but is already surrounding himself with RINO's. Gee, I guess he got his marching orders.
I wonder what kind of tantrum and meltdown Trump is going to have once he loses again?
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True, but can we survive 6 years of what has happened the last 2. Maybe our best hope is to flood efforts toward securing the senate and house, and just let Trump F-himself, while being as obstructionist we can with this or the next dim POTUS.
And that’s the hope, and it can happen. Joe Biden, or whoever, has to be made the lamest of lame duck
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With the leftists in control, if you think that this Republic is going to last until 2028, you I'm afraid are in for a very rude awakening.
You’ll be surprised how resilient the country can be. I’m not a Pollyanna. I know there’s gonna be some tough times ahead. But even the most brutal of storms eventually pass.
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True, but can we survive 6 years of what has happened the last 2. Maybe our best hope is to flood efforts toward securing the senate and house, and just let Trump F-himself, while being as obstructionist we can with this or the next dim POTUS.
Getting control over Congress is a must in any event. We should be focusing on Congress right now, and leave the White House to 2028. Control of the majority will at least stymie the DNC's attempts to pass rotten legislation. Best would be a veto-proof majority, but I think it's a bit too much to hope for that.
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Getting control over Congress is a must in any event. We should be focusing on Congress right now, and leave the White House to 2028. Control of the majority will at least stymie the DNC's attempts to pass rotten legislation. Best would be a veto-proof majority, but I think it's a bit too much to hope for that.
And as many more governorships and state houses as we can
People forget that the Republicans had a good showing in 2021
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And as many more governorships and state houses as we can
People forget that the Republicans had a good showing in 2021
:thumbsup:
There is a whole lotta work to be done, and the White House is peripheral to much of it.
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Why do I feel like I am suddenly stuck in the second grade?
Because it took nine pages to get to this level of discourse.
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Speaking of Trump being Orange, I never knew where that came from. I have a buddy of mine whose brother is in charge of a security company in Florida and I think it was before Donald Trump ran for POTUS, he had a chance to meet Donald Trump. I asked what Trump was like to meet and he said he was a decent guy. I also asked if he was orange and he said no.
I think the camera with his blondish hair and lighter skin might make him look orange. But I doubt there’s any living human being going around looking like a big, giant, Florida orange.
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Because it took nine pages to get to this level of discourse.
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Say say
Two-thousand-one-six party over
Oops out of time, where we been.....
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 2016
Yeah, I am guessing this is one of continuing series of dumpster fires for the 21 months.
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Speaking of Trump being Orange, I never knew where that came from. I have a buddy of mine whose brother is in charge of a security company in Florida and I think it was before Donald Trump ran for POTUS, he had a chance to meet Donald Trump. I asked what Trump was like to meet and he said he was a decent guy. I also asked if he was orange and he said no.
I think the camera with his blondish hair and lighter skin might make him look orange. But I doubt there’s any living human being going around looking like a big, giant, Florida orange.
I think it came about because, at some point, he was photographed looking like he had a fake suntan on, which make him look a little orangish. Just my faded recollection.
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Speaking of Trump being Orange, I never knew where that came from. I have a buddy of mine whose brother is in charge of a security company in Florida and I think it was before Donald Trump ran for POTUS, he had a chance to meet Donald Trump. I asked what Trump was like to meet and he said he was a decent guy. I also asked if he was orange and he said no.
I think the camera with his blondish hair and lighter skin might make him look orange. But I doubt there’s any living human being going around looking like a big, giant, Florida orange.
Always heard it was his bleach tan color. i might be wrong, but.....
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And masks? The orange POTUS was so enamored with 'em he got some with the presidential seal.
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:laugh:. President Trump thought the masks were so useless and stupid, the only way they could get him to wear one in early 2020 was to slap a logo on it. Meanwhile, much later, in "the free state Florida" ------ the Governor's love affair with masks continued:
DeSanctus in September 2020 discovered how to stand out among men:
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DeSanctus in March 2021 managed to promote both the mask AND the vaccine:
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Speaking of Trump being Orange, I never knew where that came from. I have a buddy of mine whose brother is in charge of a security company in Florida and I think it was before Donald Trump ran for POTUS, he had a chance to meet Donald Trump. I asked what Trump was like to meet and he said he was a decent guy. I also asked if he was orange and he said no.
I think the camera with his blondish hair and lighter skin might make him look orange. But I doubt there’s any living human being going around looking like a big, giant, Florida orange.
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Is Anita Bryant still kicking?
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Speaking of Trump being Orange, I never knew where that came from. I have a buddy of mine whose brother is in charge of a security company in Florida and I think it was before Donald Trump ran for POTUS, he had a chance to meet Donald Trump. I asked what Trump was like to meet and he said he was a decent guy. I also asked if he was orange and he said no.
I think the camera with his blondish hair and lighter skin might make him look orange. But I doubt there’s any living human being going around looking like a big, giant, Florida orange.
It comes with his overuse of spray-on tan. Which leave one with an orange tinge.
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Is Anita Bryant still kicking?
Lol…
Who here is old enough to remember that “blast from the past”
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It comes with his overuse of spray-on tan. Which leave one with an orange tinge.
If he is light skinned, I would guess that it would make it look bad on TV. Remember when John Kerry did that during one of the 2004 presidential debates?
Those of us of French Canadian descent have naturally dark skin anyways. We don’t need no spray on tans
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It comes with his overuse of spray-on tan. Which leave one with an orange tinge.
One look at his raccoon eyes would tell most people that.
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If he is light skinned, I would guess that it would make it look bad on TV. Remember when John Kerry did that during one of the 2004 presidential debates?
Those of us of French Canadian descent have naturally dark skin anyways. We don’t need no spray on tans
That's right... And like Kerry, it just looks fake. Especially with eye-cup white eyelids.
Anybody who has poked cows, done roofing, or raked asphalt in triple-digits knows that ain't a tan.
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One look at his raccoon eyes would tell most people that.
Yup. :laugh:
And it is funny that he don't get it.
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:laugh:. President Trump thought the masks were so useless and stupid, the only way they could get him to wear one in early 2020 was to slap a logo on it.
Thanks for admitting that Trump is about the most narcissistic POS on earth. So much so he needs a presidential seal to remind himelf and everyone else he's president. Did he get them from his hired buddy Fauxci? :silly:
Did he have people hum "Hail to the Chief" at night for serenade too.
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Like a politician showing up on a construction site dressing the part in a brand spanking new Carhardt jacket and spanky new leather gloves.
Fake. *****rollingeyes*****
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/snicker
Who will do better than Trump at controlling the spending? Just about anyone other than another democrat. In particular, anyone who is willing to give due consideration to entitlement reform, something that Trump has no flat-out refused.
As for the rest of your childish insults: GFY
@Kamaji
Ok,so that means I can put you down as being a solid supporter of "I don't know who"?
We all know you hate Trump and will support him under NO circumstances,so why not tell us who you DO support for President?
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And you just don't care, because Trump manages to get the ladies on The View to wad their undies up. He never does anything constructive with that rudeness, unlike certain others, but what do you care? All you want to do is feel some schadenfreude when Trump gets another pair of liberal knickers to wad themselves.
Bingo! That is exactly it -so many of Trump's supporters believe that you must be doing something right if you piss of the other side.
But that doesn't follow at all, because it is why you piss them off that matters. Did you piss them off because you pushed through lconservative egislation that they detested? Or did you piss them off because you called one of them a fat cow. One is productive,.one isn't.
Reagan infuriated the leftists because he pushed his agenda with a smile on his face. They were angry that voters didn't see through his genial "facade", and see him for the monster putting forth all those conservative policies. That's why they called him the Teflon President.
Trump is like the unseasoned cast iron President. Everything sticks to him because he likes pissing people off.
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Bingo! That is exactly it -so many of Trump's supporters believe that you must be doing something right if you piss of the other side.
But that doesn't follow at all, because it is why you piss them off that matters. Did you piss them off because you pushed through lconservative egislation that they detested? Or did you piss them off because you called one of them a fat cow. One is productive,.one isn't.
Reagan infuriated the leftists because he pushed his agenda with a smile on his face. They were angry that voters didn't see through his genial "facade", and see him for the monster putting forth all those conservative policies. That's why they called him the Teflon President.
Trump is like the unseasoned cast iron President. Everything sticks to him because he likes pissing people off.
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Reagan infuriated the leftists because he pushed his agenda with a smile on his face. They were angry that voters didn't see through his genial "facade", and see him for the monster putting forth all those conservative policies. That's why they called him the Teflon President.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Reagan has been both out of office and dead for a long time now. The situation now is MUCH more serious because the Dims/left have been hugely successful at buying votes from the goober voters that only care about
"What chu gonna do for me?" voters.
I am a GREAT admirer of Reagan,but even though he faced stiff competition from the left and the RINO's,he did get elected and he was hugely successful. Most likely because he had spent the majority of his life in front of tv or movie cameras.
Having said all that,I honestly don't think even Reagan could get elected today with that approach. People,other than the professional parasites that are on Dim paylists, are mostly fed up with the government,and want change as well as someone willing to get nose to nose with the left.
The truth is,America has sunken so far now that I think it is probably already too late for ANY one politicial to turn things around. There are just too many people on the Dim payroll/welfare lists that have a vested interest in "more of the same" instead of change and fiscal responsibility.
Still,we have to try because our only other option is armed revolution,and NOBODY even familiar with the concept of sanity wants that to happen.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Having said all that,I honestly don't think even Reagan could get elected today with that approach. People,other than the professional parasites that are on Dim paylists, are mostly fed up with the government,and want change as well as someone willing to get nose to nose with the left.
And I guess that's the exact point at which we disagree. Sure, the hardcore MAGA types want not just the right policies, but aggressive confrontation. It's cathartic. But I don't think most voters want aggressive confrontation. I think right now, there is probably a majority receptive to conservative policies because of leftist overreach, but the key swing voters don't want that to come with needless nastiness. That's where you lose all the suburban women, as well as others. What Reagan did was stake out very conservative positions without nastiness. So he was getting nose to nose with them, but without personal animosity, and without alienating people who were otherwise persuadable.
I think a Reagan-esque figure would absolutely clean up right now. Hell, part of the reason Biden appealed to swing voters was because he seemed "normal" and not unnecessarily confrontational. And don't get me wrong, there are times when confrontation is necessary on a policy level. But as soon as you make it personal, there are some people you just lose.
Still,we have to try because our only other option is armed revolution, and NOBODY even familiar with the concept of sanity wants that to happen.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, there are some people on the right who at least pretend to want that (they're all over TOS), and it makes them completely unwilling to accept anyone who isn't constantly breathing fire. And they just have no clue what that would mean, or how it would even work in a country that still has elections
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Thanks for admitting that Trump is about the most narcissistic POS on earth.
No, @catfish1957 Once again you add 2 + 2 and come up with 1. You're okay with doing this as long as it hides what a liar your halfbaked meatball is. I get that.
The President was furious with political leadership around the world for continuing to wear masks. He thought they looked weak and frightened ---- feeding the panic, prolonging the shutdowns at the point he was encouraging them to end and people to return to work. The initial compromise was the presidential seal, but it took no time for Trump to recognize this was too clever by half, and refuse to wear them --- period. Wearing it sent the wrong message.
Your favorite meatball continued to wear them for more than a year even after that.
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Back when Reagan got elected, I believe we still had fair and honest elections. Today, they are fixed. No mystery, they are fixed. Can't win when they are fixed.
All this arguing over Trump versus DeSantis, it just does not matter. The Dems will fix the elections in 2024 and leave the WH and most likely the senate in the hands of the Democommies.
Bottomline, I believe 20% of the folks that voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 will not vote for him again. Trump is a liar. He did not fulfill the promises made, promises kept. His two biggest promises he did NOT fulfill. And the one, he promised to end the H1-b Visa Program, that single aw-sh*t makes him worthless. He increased the H1-b Visa Program. That is 1.6 million largely Asian Indians taking high paying white collar jobs from Americans. It is wrong, and he supported the program when he got elected in 2016 claiming he would end it.
What endeared him to the American people was someone that appeared to represent them. Congress no longer represents the American people, and Trump's rhetoric appeared that he cared about the people. It was all empty rhetoric. His efforts with China were exemplary, but all undone in minutes of the CCP pawn Biden being in office.
The republic is gone. Without free and fair elections, there is no republic. We do not have free and fair elections. We have an FBI that smacks of the Gestapo. No exaggeration! We are but one or two steps away from where Hitler was with his totalitarian government. The Dems are trying to remove the 1st Amendment. Once that is accomplished, the 2nd will not be far behind.
Mumar Gahdaffi was right when he said not one shot would need to be fired to defeat the USA. We are destroying ourselves with folks that are communist. I am speaking of the Democrat Party. They have gone full blown communist. Only thing missing is the totalitarian aspect, and they are working to make that happen.
How long before the totalitarian aspect emerges? How long without free and fair elections will it take to go totalitarian? I say it is only a matter of time.
Republic is dead.
Biden destroys everything he touches.
The electric grid collapses.
Food shortages, people starve. No electric grid, no employment, no income, no transportation, no fuel, but plenty of anarchy. No police, for they will be busy protecting their own home, their families. Criminality goes skyrocketing.
It is a dark future ahead. Freedoms we took for granted will go the route of extinction.
We will have Biden for 6 more years. Who will challenge him and win? Newsom? Hell No. That idiot b*tch in Michigan, no way. Bernie Sanders is the greater threat, and yes, I think he could run again. And he could win the Dem primary. He almost won it in 2020. And then there is Hillary and Michelle. I think both of them could best Biden if they run, but will either of them jump in? Who knows.
But guaranteed, Trump or any Republican does not have a chance with fixed elections. Until we end the use of electronic equipment, we will continue to have fixed elections. Soon, it will not matter what any group of people think in America. Fixed elections last long enough, I can see the whole concept of a franchise dissipating like steam.
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Thanks for admitting that Trump is about the most narcissistic POS on earth. So much so he needs a presidential seal to remind himelf and everyone else he's president. Did he get them from his hired buddy Fauxci? :silly:
Did he have people hum "Hail to the Chief" at night for serenade too.
RiV's arms must be extremely tired from Carrying all that water for Trumpy, god of all that is orange.
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Your favorite meatball continued to wear them for more than a year even after that.
Wrong again, sport. I was in FL in early 2021 and nobody was forced to wear masks or socially distance. You need to get your lies straight when shilling for your orange god.
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RiV's arms must be extremely tired from Carrying all that water for Trumpy, god of all that is orange.
While on her knees, too. Quite a trick, actually.
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Wrong again, sport. I was in FL in early 2021 and nobody was forced to wear masks or socially distance. You need to get your lies straight when shilling for your orange god.
I was in Texas also during that time and you didn’t have to wear masks but you did have to wear on the plane or in federal buildings
However, since Covid responses in 2020 are so important to at least one
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/13/trump-claims-total-authority-over-state-decisions-1275506?_amp=true
When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total,” Trump said at a press briefing Monday when asked about the governors’ plans. “And that’s the way it’s got to to be. It’s total. It’s total. And the governors know that.”
And Trump blasted governor Kemp for opening too early
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1190061
And here’s the man in his own words
https://twitter.com/KaladinFree/status/1620586715739230210
I don’t like to rehashing Covid because that’s in the past and nobody’s going to vote anymore based on that. It’s like fighting over who served in Vietnam in the 2004 election.
But, I’ll post these examples and let everybody else comes to their own conclusions
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Your favorite meatball continued to wear them for more than a year even after that.
You do know that his wife had cancer. Part of the issue with cancer and treatment is your immune system becomes compromised, meaning you are at higher risk to catch and be affected by communicable diseases. So if Ron brings COVID home, he risks his wife’s health. We have to wear masks whenever we enter a pts room who’s being treated for cancer. Maybe you should investigate your talking points that you receive from “TruthSocial” a little bit further and quit having opinions on matters you know nothing about
Maybe your boy can find a picture of DeSantis’s wife with chemo related hair loss(assuming she received Chemotherapy vs radiation) so we can compare his wife vs DeSantis’s
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Maybe your boy can find a picture of DeSantis’s wife with chemo related hair loss(assuming she received Chemotherapy vs radiation) so we can compare his wife vs DeSantis’s
Yep.. and Trump will giddily and mindlessly ridicule Mrs. DeSantis as well.
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Maybe your boy can find a picture of DeSantis’s wife with chemo related hair loss(assuming she received Chemotherapy vs radiation) so we can compare his wife vs DeSantis’s
And I have a sneaking supsicion that you might have a harder time finding nude photos of DeSantis' lovely wife, versus say Mrs Trump.
Trump.... dumpster fires we could avoid if we had any sense.
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It does appear that his wife had chemotherapy versus radiation which would be standard treatment for the type of cancer she had. I wasn’t familiar with what type of cancer she had, benign versus malignant, but I did have a chance to look it up and yes, that would be chemotherapy and surgery and with that comes a destruction of her immune system. It’s safe to say that she had lymph nodes removed, also.
I’ve seen some scary white blood cell counts on patients receiving chemotherapy. Catching a cold could practically kill them.
So the fact that Trump and some of his MAGAs are trying to use Ron DeSantis wearing a mask against him to protect his wife speaks volumes about them
I am not as hard on Donald Trump for his Covid response as others are as I believe that’s in the past and I do think it was a tough situation for a sitting president to be in. But there seems to be a lot of history revision going on, and if he wants to make it an issue, then it’s only fair that we bring up his own words and statements and newspaper articles that he was not the guy who fought Anthony Fauci and opposed all these lockdowns, but the mean governors wouldn’t listen to him
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Did anyone else notice the "lack" of crowd shots at Trump's Saturday Waco rally? They in the past were admittedly huge. Where were those this time? :pondering:
I am guessing his Orangeness isn't pulling in the numbers he was before.
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Back when Reagan got elected, I believe we still had fair and honest elections. Today, they are fixed. No mystery, they are fixed. Can't win when they are fixed.
All this arguing over Trump versus DeSantis, it just does not matter. The Dems will fix the elections in 2024 and leave the WH and most likely the senate in the hands of the Democommies.
Bottomline, I believe 20% of the folks that voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 will not vote for him again. Trump is a liar. He did not fulfill the promises made, promises kept. His two biggest promises he did NOT fulfill. And the one, he promised to end the H1-b Visa Program, that single aw-sh*t makes him worthless. He increased the H1-b Visa Program. That is 1.6 million largely Asian Indians taking high paying white collar jobs from Americans. It is wrong, and he supported the program when he got elected in 2016 claiming he would end it.
What endeared him to the American people was someone that appeared to represent them. Congress no longer represents the American people, and Trump's rhetoric appeared that he cared about the people. It was all empty rhetoric. His efforts with China were exemplary, but all undone in minutes of the CCP pawn Biden being in office.
The republic is gone. Without free and fair elections, there is no republic. We do not have free and fair elections. We have an FBI that smacks of the Gestapo. No exaggeration! We are but one or two steps away from where Hitler was with his totalitarian government. The Dems are trying to remove the 1st Amendment. Once that is accomplished, the 2nd will not be far behind.
Mumar Gahdaffi was right when he said not one shot would need to be fired to defeat the USA. We are destroying ourselves with folks that are communist. I am speaking of the Democrat Party. They have gone full blown communist. Only thing missing is the totalitarian aspect, and they are working to make that happen.
How long before the totalitarian aspect emerges? How long without free and fair elections will it take to go totalitarian? I say it is only a matter of time.
Republic is dead.
Biden destroys everything he touches.
The electric grid collapses.
Food shortages, people starve. No electric grid, no employment, no income, no transportation, no fuel, but plenty of anarchy. No police, for they will be busy protecting their own home, their families. Criminality goes skyrocketing.
It is a dark future ahead. Freedoms we took for granted will go the route of extinction.
We will have Biden for 6 more years. Who will challenge him and win? Newsom? Hell No. That idiot b*tch in Michigan, no way. Bernie Sanders is the greater threat, and yes, I think he could run again. And he could win the Dem primary. He almost won it in 2020. And then there is Hillary and Michelle. I think both of them could best Biden if they run, but will either of them jump in? Who knows.
But guaranteed, Trump or any Republican does not have a chance with fixed elections. Until we end the use of electronic equipment, we will continue to have fixed elections. Soon, it will not matter what any group of people think in America. Fixed elections last long enough, I can see the whole concept of a franchise dissipating like steam.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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Maybe your boy can find a picture of DeSantis’s wife with chemo related hair loss(assuming she received Chemotherapy vs radiation) so we can compare his wife vs DeSantis’s
I wouldn't put it past him. And I mean that.
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I wouldn't put it past him. And I mean that.
Oh, he’s done it before
So, in summary, the answer to the title of this thread is a resounding no… Lol
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Oh, he’s done it before
So, in summary, the answer to the title of this thread is a resounding no… Lol
Here's Trump's main henchman, and in action at a gay pride parade in NY....
(http://watchmanscry.com/watch/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/roger_stone_ny_pride1.jpg)
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I saw a flyover of the event at the airport and it looked to be a relatively small crowd. If the crowd I run around with is any barometer, then Trump is in trouble.
Makes sense... In fact for one of the 1st times I can remember, I don't think Trump even commented on the crowd size. And sure didn't pan out to the crowd like in previous rallies.
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Yep.. and Trump will giddily and mindlessly ridicule Mrs. DeSantis as well.
For the wife of a Republican she is well like in FL, with even the attack press in the liberal newspapers in Dade, Orange, Alachua, Leon and Duval county's pretty much leaving her alone. Breast cancer is a big deal in Fl so any slight of her would be a huge miscalculation. But then Trump is the master of miscalculation.
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You do know that his wife had cancer. Part of the issue with cancer and treatment is your immune system becomes compromised, meaning you are at higher risk to catch and be affected by communicable diseases. So if Ron brings COVID home, he risks his wife’s health.
Thank you, this is an excellent point @LMAO In late 2021, DeSantis was following and relying on CDC guidelines for a patient receiving surgical and chemotherapy treatment during the pandemic.
I stand more firmly by my assertion that RDS is rewriting his history, commonly called lying, when he tries to project Florida as a uniquely free state and now says he would have fired Fauci. Ron DeSantis was a poster child for following Fauci's/CDC'S every guideline from the start to the end of the pandemic, through thick and thin on behalf of the people of Florida, as well as his own family.
RDS should have simply owned his actions ----- and Rove should have found another avenue to try and disconnect DeSantis from Trump.
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While on her knees, too. Quite a trick, actually.
Bite me @ScottinVA
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I did a search for the crowd size at Waco. No one seems to be reporting actual numbers. There was one that had it at + - 18,000 over the expected 15,000, but retracted that and went with 'thousands' instead. Which seems a little odd to me. :shrug:
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Did anyone else notice the "lack" of crowd shots at Trump's Saturday Waco rally? They in the past were admittedly huge. Where were those this time? :pondering:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,494865.0.html
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The only truths for Magas can be found in the ficticious, duplicitous FoxNews metaverse, where Tucket Carlson is their prophet and Donald Trump is the leader of their messianic death cult.
The only truths are those which they want to believe.
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https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,494865.0.html
Nice crowds but nothing like he used to get. And you know it.
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I did a search for the crowd size at Waco. No one seems to be reporting actual numbers. There was one that had it at + - 18,000 over the expected 15,000, but retracted that and went with 'thousands' instead. Which seems a little odd to me. :shrug:
I am not an expert on crowd enumeration, but based on one aerial, I'd guess 5-10K. Which is good, but realize Trump has claimed to have 50K at his events in the past. I think his influence and popularity is waning.
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Yeah, I am guessing this is one of continuing series of dumpster fires for the 21 months.
Yes, and its just getting started. 9999hair out0000
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I am not an expert on crowd enumeration, but based on one aerial, I'd guess 5-10K. Which is good, but realize Trump has claimed to have 50K at his events in the past. I think his influence and popularity is waning.
That may be true. It seems to me the leftist msn would be quick to point that out, if the Waco number(s) were low, but they haven't.
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That may be true. It seems to me the leftist msn would be quick to point that out, if the Waco number(s) were low, but they haven't.
I think even 10K is a hell of a crowd for a politcal rally and no one even Obama could muster that.
It isn't even primary season yet, so that may be into play too. I watched the event, and i think either Trump is rusty, tired, or is having more problems ginning up his base. Just didn't seem the level of enthusiasm. And I sure didn't like what I heard from him with the FDR like of intiiatives.
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Yes, and its just getting started. 9999hair out0000
9999hair out0000 888mouth :thud:
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@catfish1957 .
Yeah, it isn't even primary season and I am feeling the burn out. I can wait to see how it progresses. I really can.
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@catfish1957 .
Yeah, it isn't even primary season and I am feeling the burn out. I can wait to see how it progresses. I really can.
That is pretty much my feeling. It's not even here yet and I'm already worn out!
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Oh, he’s done it before
So, in summary, the answer to the title of this thread is a resounding no… Lol
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Yes, and its just getting started. 9999hair out0000
@Cyber Liberty
You are keeping your powder dry
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RiV's arms must be extremely tired from Carrying all that water for Trumpy, god of all that is orange.
@Wingnut
Trump lives rent-free in that juvenile cesspool you call your head,doesn't he?
If it weren't for Trump,you wouldn't have anything to post about.
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It does appear that his wife had chemotherapy versus radiation
@LMAO
It doesn't work like that,although I SUSPECT oftentimes what type of treatment you get depends on which doc/cancer clinic you go to for treatment.
I have/had Stage 4 Lymphoma and was treated with both radiation and chemotherapy . The chemo really fried my short-term memory to the point I would sometimes wonder about things like "Did I eat today or not",and "Did I make my doctor's appointment yesterday,or not?"
Sounds funny as hell,but it's not so funny when it is you it is happening to.
After all that,I was told they were stopping treatment because it had done no good because the cancer was still advancing.
That was when the doc asked me if I was willing to try an experimental drug that came in capsules that had NOT been approved by the FDA. I was warned that it made some people so sick they said they would rather die from cancer than continue to take it,and asked if I wanted to take it anyhow.
I said "Duhhhh! This ain't rocket science, If I take it and it makes me that sick,I'll just quit taking it." So the doc said she would send off the prescription.
When it came in 2 weeks later it came with other prescriptions from the VA,and I had forgotten all about a new experimental drug,so I just assumed it was a regular part of my VA "pill fill".
Took it for 3 weeks before my next PET scan,and went to see the cancer doc atain a week after that scan. She looked at the results and kinda freaked because it showed me to be cancer-free. Neither of us really believed that,so I agreed to take another PET scan that week. It came back cancer-free,also.
Now,I have NOT been diagnoised as being cancer-free. MY understanding is you have to have no cancer symptoms for 5 years before you are officially rated as being cancer-free.
Still getting those pills from the VA and still taking them,but they have now been officially recognized by the AMA as an effecttive treatement for SOME types of cancer.
The down side to those pills is that unless the VA has rated you for one of those types of cancer,or you have VERY good health insurance,they are stoopid expensive. As in 13 grand for a bottle of 120 pills.
If you are desperate and don't have good insurance,you can buy them at pretty much any pharmacy in the US,with the Food Lion and Wal-Mart pharmacies being the cheapest. Scrap together the money to buy one bottle and see what happens. After all,I tested as being cancer-free 3 weeks after starting them.
I also suggest checking with your cancer surgeon about other possible free or very cheap places to buy them. There may very well be some sort of charity in your area that is dedicated to helping cancer patients.
Unfortunately,these pills do NOT help with your memory problems.