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« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2023, 05:45:58 pm »
Trump continues to criticize DeSantis on his actions regarding the pandemic.  DeSantis indeed did the right thing yet Trump takes jabs at him for shutting down FL which is absolute hogwash.

Did DeSantis shut down Florida at all? 
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« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2023, 05:46:56 pm »
Good question.... :shrug:

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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2023, 05:47:22 pm »
Good question.... :shrug:

Oh, I would take Donald Trump’s net worth over mine

But that’s not even remotely a reason why I’m not supporting his candidacy
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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #103 on: June 07, 2023, 05:50:57 pm »
Trump continues to criticize DeSantis on his actions regarding the pandemic.  DeSantis indeed did the right thing yet Trump takes jabs at him for shutting down FL which is absolute hogwash.

Didn't Trump and crew say DeSantis was opening up the state too soon, bypassing his administrations recommendations? That's what I recall.

So if Trump wants to pound DeSantis on his handling of COVID, Trump is entirely responsible for the return fire. After all, it was Trump that brought this up now.

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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #104 on: June 07, 2023, 05:52:32 pm »
DeSantis can claim he would have fired Fauci all he wants to. If he was the president back in 2020 he would have been relying on the same health officials. I highly doubt he would have done anything substantially different.
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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #105 on: June 07, 2023, 05:56:22 pm »
DeSantis can claim he would have fired Fauci all he wants to. If he was the president back in 2020 he would have been relying on the same health officials. I highly doubt he would have done anything substantially different.

As president he can get info from anyone he pleases. There were lots of alternative sources other than government bureaucrats to make informed decisions from.

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« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2023, 05:56:58 pm »
DeSantis can claim he would have fired Fauci all he wants to. If he was the president back in 2020 he would have been relying on the same health officials. I highly doubt he would have done anything substantially different.

I agree.

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« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2023, 05:57:08 pm »
I honestly don't understand the claim that we don't like Trump because of envy or jealousy.  How did that even get started here?

The vast majority of these politicians are far wealthier than the vast majority of us are anyway.   Do we dislike Pelosi because she's rich? Do we dislike Joe Biden because he's rich?  How about the Bushes?  Did we oppose Jeb Bush for the nomination because he was rich?  I just don't get it.

I am far from jealous of Donald Trump, and wouldn't trade places with him in a million years. Sure he's got a lot a lot of money, but it's more than I could ever spend anyway.  Otherwise, he's a fat 77-year-old guy who has to wear suits or other dress clothing pretty much 24/7.   I'd hate that.  He golfs a lot, and I hate golf. He's lived in either New York City or Southern Florida for most of his life, and I couldn't stand to live in either place.  And he's married to a woman who - let's face it - would never have married the guy if he wasn't uber wealthy.

His level of wealth and notoriety is essentially a prison.  It's a prison he apparently enjoys because he craves being the center of attention, but I'd personally hate it.  He doesn't read, and apparently has very few actual friends.

In all seriousness, how many people here truly are jealous or envious of him?

Yeah, he also owns a winery in Virginia near where I went to law school.  But trust me, his wine pretty much sucks.

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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2023, 06:00:52 pm »
Did DeSantis shut down Florida at all?

DeSantis shutdown FL for a short period of time and then opened it back up slowly in sectors.  As an example; He opened up parks and beaches, then about a week later he opened up restaurants with outdoor seating, and then restaurants were able to seat people indoors 6 feet apart, and then a few weeks later he opened up bars. Offices, medical, facilities and stores-- six feet apart for awhile. People got off of unemployment and went back to work.

Eventually, no masks, no 6 ft. distancing and we were free!

The disaster that we faced in FL was an unemployment system that was outdated and wasn't working -- some people who were laid off because of the pandemic weren't getting any $$.  The system was so antiquated that it took people weeks to be able to access the system.  That was the fault of Rick Scott our former governor who wanted to keep unemployment numbers down, so the system was never updated and with people not able to access the system, they were not included in the unemployment count.

Living in FL I know first hand what we went through during the pandemic and how DeSantis successfully and quickly opened us back up.  He did right. Consequently people flocked to FL -- over 440,000 people moved here from 2021-2022.

Trump cannot dispute that.  Those are the facts. 
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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #109 on: June 07, 2023, 06:05:45 pm »
MAGA  talking points against anti Trumpers.

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« Reply #111 on: June 07, 2023, 06:09:32 pm »
But nobody had that luxury back in 2020.

It’s too easy to say now, with the gift of hindsight, that “Trump should’ve done this. Trump should’ve done that”

But it isn't hindsight.  There were uncontroverted facts publicly available by May of 2020 that were the only facts we really needed to know to make the kind of policy changes made by DeSantis and others:

1). The actual mortality rate from COVID was only 0.2% or so - just 1/10th of the 2% we had been told initially in March, and;

2) The mortality rate for those who were not elderly, and had no significant co-morbities, was orders of magnitude lower than even that adjusted 0.2%.

Neither of those facts were secret. The only difference between the two approaches was what they decided to do with that information.

On the one hand, you had the left, Fauci (empowered by Trump), the MSM, and elected Democrats (and some Republicans, including my own governor) who decided that minimizing the loss of life was the only metric that should be considered.  So they required everyone to socially isolate and mask, rather than only those most at risk.  They thought that shutting down normal society indefinitely was an acceptable price to pay.

On the other hand, we had those outnumbered elected officials who decided that the rest of life should not be brought to a halt simply to obtain marginal diminishing returns with full masking and social isolation.  And they were willing to suffer the massive slings and arrows from the first group in order to do what they believe to be right.

I'm sorry, but those who argue that this was apparent only in hindsight were not looking objectively at the data that was available at the time.  That's why those of us who were got so pissed off by the whole thing.
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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #112 on: June 07, 2023, 06:10:51 pm »
But it isn't hindsight.  There were uncontroverted facts publicly available by May of 2020 that were the only facts we really needed to know to make the kind of policy changes made by DeSantis and others:

1). The actual mortality rate from COVID was about 1/10th of the 2% we had been told initially in March;

2) The mortality rate for those who were not elderly, and had no significant co-morbities, was orders of magnitud lower than even that adjusted 0.2%.

None of that was secret. The only difference between the two approaches was what they decided to do with that information.

On the one hand, you had the left, Fauci (empowered by Trump), the MSM, and elected Democrats (and some Republicans, including my own governor) who decided that minimizing the loss of life was the only metric that should be considered.  So they required everyone to socially isolate and mask, rather than only those most at risk.  They thought that shutting down normal society indefinitely was an acceptable price to pay.

On the other hand, we had those outnumbered elected officials who decided that the rest of life should not be brought to a halt simply to obtain marginal diminishing returns with full masking and social isolation.  And they were willing to suffer the massive slings and arrows from the first group in order to do what they believe to be right.

I'm sorry, but those who argue that this was apparent only in hindsight were not looking objectively at the data that was available at the time.  That's why those of us who were got so pissed off by the whole thing.

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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #113 on: June 07, 2023, 06:11:53 pm »
Good question.... :shrug:

IMO personally, being obnoxious, narcissistic, and the morals of an alley cat should not be traits anyone is jealous off.

How Pete came up that any of us are jealous, is amusing at best.
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« Reply #114 on: June 07, 2023, 06:16:26 pm »
IMO personally, being obnoxious, narcissistic, and the morals of an alley cat should not be traits anyone is jealous off.

How Pete came up that any of us are jealous, is amusing at best.

Well, from what I noticed he has no other rebuttal other than jealousy and rich, rude Orange man.

Not much to stand on really.
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« Reply #115 on: June 07, 2023, 06:19:39 pm »
Or MAGAts.

The parasitic analogy is becoming pretty apt.  I am not far from placing the red capped gents in the same category as the flaming screaming Karens.  Though I might align closer to them ideologically, their koolaid driven worship of this failure is going to help doom us.

That's how far I have placed DJT down in preference on political ladder.  The Hell with him and his socialist agenda.
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« Reply #116 on: June 07, 2023, 06:24:08 pm »
Did Trump ban those? I don’t recall that he did.  In fact, I remember the media blasting him for promoting those.

I could be wrong, but  I don’t remember him putting the ban on those

Personally? No. His administration, YES. CDC and etcetera are in his direct purview.
And he was all for the jab.

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« Reply #117 on: June 07, 2023, 06:26:03 pm »
He promoted them early and quickly folded. He let his administration prevent people from having access to those things. He was the executive in charge of his own administration.

That's right.

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« Reply #118 on: June 07, 2023, 06:30:20 pm »
A lot of mistakes were made when it came to Covid and we now know that many of things we were told back then turned out to be lies

But nobody had that luxury back in 2020.

It’s too easy to say now, with the gift of hindsight, that “Trump should’ve done this. Trump should’ve done that”

Let’s just hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes again

Not good enough. The truth was out there. Government and media colluded together to stifle that truth. And Tumpy was right in the middle of it all, standing right next to Fauxi.

That cannot be rewarded. In fact, that needs smiting. Everyone involved in the decision making that killed our neighbors and tore our liberty from our grasp... NONE of them should be near any lever of power ever again. At the very least.

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« Reply #119 on: June 07, 2023, 06:31:21 pm »
We have two nurses that live across the street. I asked them in early summer of 2020 if they had seen any Covid deaths. The said they hadn't seen any. Zero. But they had seen deaths claimed to be from Covid and the hospital was getting money from claiming so. From then on I viewed the whole thing as felonious BS. I think Covid killed who it was going to kill no matter how people got it. And if the truth were known, actual deaths from Covid are far less than they say.
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« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2023, 06:33:21 pm »
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« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2023, 06:35:42 pm »
DeSantis can claim he would have fired Fauci all he wants to. If he was the president back in 2020 he would have been relying on the same health officials. I highly doubt he would have done anything substantially different.

The head of the freaking CDC himself, Robert Redford, disagreed with Fauci and others.  Maybe Trump was just charmed by Fauci's New York accent....

One of the major problems with the way Trump handled COVID was that he really didn't handle it at all.  Despite it being the single biggest crisis of his presidency, he outsourced management of COVID to Pence and Fauci, probably because he is not a detail guy and simply couldn't be bothered because he might have to read a briefing book or two.  Because he didn't bother to get informed himself, he lacked the basis to review the data on his own, reach any of his own conclusions, or even to question the conclusions presented to him.

DeSantis and the other governors who chose a different direction began with the same federal data presented to Trump.  The difference is they recognize the magnitude of what was being decided, and so got their hands dirty and got into the details.  They looked at the numbers themselves, and questioned different medical experts.

The real issue is the language I bolded about Covid being just a "health issue".  It wasn't, and that's exactly the point that Trump and many others missed in all this.  The job of our political leaders was twofold: 

First, to consult medical experts to determine the risks posed by the virus, and what measures would best mitigate that risk.   That was where Fauci fit in, and quite frankly, you'd naturally expect a medical guy to focus on the medical issues.  Which he did.

Second, to look at the assessed medical risks, and then determine whether the benefit of those mitigating measures were worth the non-medical costs to society in terms of the economy, education, development of children, and simple enjoyment of life.  And the medical people should have had nothing to do with that cost/benefit determination because they are not experts in those non-medical factors.  That balancing of the medical burdens and societal costs should have been a determination made by our elected political leaders -- not outsourced to medical professionals.  And that's basically what Trump did.

In contrast, those governors got medical input, but then accepted their responsibility to conduct that cost/benefit analysis where the economy, education, development of children, and basic enjoyment of life were given appropriate weight.  And after weighing those competing interests, they came down on the side of freedom.

Trump just didn't do his job.  He really didn't even try to.
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« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2023, 06:47:43 pm »
I honestly don't understand the claim that we don't like Trump because of envy or jealousy.  How did that even get started here?

The vast majority of these politicians are far wealthier than the vast majority of us are anyway.   Do we dislike Pelosi because she's rich? Do we dislike Joe Biden because he's rich?  How about the Bushes?  Did we oppose Jeb Bush for the nomination because he was rich?  I just don't get it.

I am far from jealous of Donald Trump, and wouldn't trade places with him in a million years. Sure he's got a lot a lot of money, but it's more than I could ever spend anyway.  Otherwise, he's a fat 77-year-old guy who has to wear suits or other dress clothing pretty much 24/7.   I'd hate that.  He golfs a lot, and I hate golf. He's lived in either New York City or Southern Florida for most of his life, and I couldn't stand to live in either place.  And he's married to a woman who - let's face it - would never have married the guy if he wasn't uber wealthy.

His level of wealth and notoriety is essentially a prison.  It's a prison he apparently enjoys because he craves being the center of attention, but I'd personally hate it.  He doesn't read, and apparently has very few actual friends.

In all seriousness, how many people here truly are jealous or envious of him?

Yeah, he also owns a winery in Virginia near where I went to law school.  But trust me, his wine pretty much sucks.

Elon Musk is much wealthier than Trump, and folks around here seem to like him just fine.
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Re: BRUTAL DeSantis campaign ad rips Trump for not firing Fauci
« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2023, 06:52:57 pm »
I honestly don't understand the claim that we don't like Trump because of envy or jealousy.  How did that even get started here?

The vast majority of these politicians are far wealthier than the vast majority of us are anyway.   Do we dislike Pelosi because she's rich? Do we dislike Joe Biden because he's rich?  How about the Bushes?  Did we oppose Jeb Bush for the nomination because he was rich?  I just don't get it.

I am far from jealous of Donald Trump, and wouldn't trade places with him in a million years. Sure he's got a lot a lot of money, but it's more than I could ever spend anyway.  Otherwise, he's a fat 77-year-old guy who has to wear suits or other dress clothing pretty much 24/7.   I'd hate that.  He golfs a lot, and I hate golf. He's lived in either New York City or Southern Florida for most of his life, and I couldn't stand to live in either place.  And he's married to a woman who - let's face it - would never have married the guy if he wasn't uber wealthy.

His level of wealth and notoriety is essentially a prison.  It's a prison he apparently enjoys because he craves being the center of attention, but I'd personally hate it.  He doesn't read, and apparently has very few actual friends.

In all seriousness, how many people here truly are jealous or envious of him?

Yeah, he also owns a winery in Virginia near where I went to law school.  But trust me, his wine pretty much sucks.

Good post. I have said much the same. Somehow they think fame and fortune are the gauge... And that power can only add to all that prestige. They see golden toilets and thousand dollar suits as the measure of success... They see the phony-baloney media complex as the measure of fame.

None of that matters a hill of rocks to me, and I have said so before.

A master machinist who looks at my work in a complimentary fashion... That gruff old man's "You'll do"... That faint praise means more to me than anything Tumpy's got.

A master mechanic, seeing me on equal ground, appreciative of a neat trick I could teach him... Now that's getting some... That's respect that has been earned.

Being a good hand among cowboys... Having the knack to bounce a loop to heel a calf....

Even alone in the woods, with no one around for miles... tracking my prey... getting close enough for the shot... getting a clean shot and a good kill... And knowing my freezer is full for the winter.... THAT's satisfaction.

Money is just a way of keeping score.
Fame means nothing, except among those who matter, where it must be earned.
Wealth is measured up in friends and family.

By those metrics, which are what matter to me, Tumpy is poor, uneducated, and may as well be naked. To suggest that I am jealous of such just means they don't know me at all.

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« Reply #124 on: June 07, 2023, 06:55:39 pm »
Good post. I have said much the same. Somehow they think fame and fortune are the gauge... And that power can only add to all that prestige. They see golden toilets and thousand dollar suits as the measure of success... They see the phony-baloney media complex as the measure of fame.

None of that matters a hill of rocks to me, and I have said so before.

A master machinist who looks at my work in a complimentary fashion... That gruff old man's "You'll do"... That faint praise means more to me than anything Tumpy's got.

A master mechanic, seeing me on equal ground, appreciative of a neat trick I could teach him... Now that's getting some... That's respect that has been earned.

Being a good hand among cowboys... Having the knack to bounce a loop to heel a calf....

Even alone in the woods, with no one around for miles... tracking my prey... getting close enough for the shot... getting a clean shot and a good kill... And knowing my freezer is full for the winter.... THAT's satisfaction.

Money is just a way of keeping score.
Fame means nothing, except among those who matter, where it must be earned.
Wealth is measured up in friends and family.

By those metrics, which are what matter to me, Tumpy is poor, uneducated, and may as well be naked. To suggest that I am jealous of such just means they don't know me at all.

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