When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?

[corbe]

When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?

By Geoffrey P. Hunt
March 24, 2023

Stubborn Trump supporters, especially the most fervent, seem unwilling to challenge the deedless covenant, ask the hard questions that if answered truthfully would confirm that Donald Trump has been a supreme letdown, and his failures --  including the re-election debacle -- self-inflicted.

Promises made, promises kept?  Not when it mattered.

Drain the swamp?  Spinning around in an airboat.

Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.

Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.

Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/when_will_stubborn_trump_loyalists_face_inconvenient_truths_.html

[libertybele]

Trumpsters will never acknowledge any of Trump's shortcomings. They are almost laughable until you realize that the situation of Trump bullying true conservatives is far from funny. Right now he has a black cloud hanging over his head, yet they don't seem to even realize what negative effect that will have on the 2024 election.

[corbe]

[corbe]

  How many believe that had Trump lost to hellary (which I expected) we Conservatives would have shouldered the burden of his defeat and they wouldn't let up.  bidet is obviously less hated than that witch. 
  If a better Candidate beats him in the Primary and he/she loses the General because Trumpers stayed home. 
  Will we try and censure them like they did us?

[240B]

When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?
Ergo, NTs are at least partially, if not more, guilty for the destruction of the American nation?
Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.
What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."

[Fishrrman]

240b:
"What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters.""

It's like some strange "transference phenomenon" occurred between the "Bush Derangement" people on the left, who have somehow mysteriously "ported" their hatred over to the ne'ertrumpers. Particularly those who inhabit this forum (pointing right at 'EM).

[roamer_1]

When will the NeverTrumps realize that their irrational hatred of Trump helped to put Biden in office?

TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS is NOT irrational.
If the right will not defend small government, who will?
There is nothing irrational in demanding they do.
Including Tumpy.
Hell no!
No pass. He does not deserve another shot and should NOT be rewarded.

Of course Trump has shortcomings. But DAMN! He would have been 1000% better than the alternative.
At least we would be able to buy gas, electricity, and food, at a normal price.

Why can't you see that TUMPY and company left the democrats the government they inherited?  Why can't you see that YOUR big government is the very SAME big government as the DEMOCRAT'S big government?

You want less democrat power? The only way to actually do that is less power all the way around. Give them a smaller government and they will be able to effect much less.

What will it take? When the nuclear war starts, the NeverTrumpers will still be gloating, "Well, at least we got rid of Trump!! And that is all that matters."

So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
 

[unite for individuality]

Promises made, promises kept?  Not when it mattered.

Drain the swamp?  Spinning around in an airboat.

Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.

Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.

Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.

Obviously, all of the above turned out to be Swamp creatures
who all sabotaged America for their own collective profit.

Did Trump purposely hire people who would sabotage his stated agenda?
Or is it just that it's REALLY hard to find good help in DC?

I wish I knew the answer.

I think maybe it's that Mr Trump was used to schmoozing people in NYC
to make deals and build businesses,
and, as President, kept operating with the same mindset,
unaware of HOW TREACHEROUS  The Swamp is.

I think maybe all those backstabbers he hired
fed him a load of BS, saying that they were all for him.
I think Mr Trump got duped.

To be fair, we need to also consider that Mr Trump FIRED
more people from his administration than any other President in history.

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   I did not know that last paragraph @unite for individuality  How many of those had he hired to begin with?  That is the $64k question.  Of course, he fired Omarosa twice, to pad his numbers.

[roamer_1]

To be fair, we need to also consider that Mr Trump FIRED
more people from his administration than any other President in history.

Yeah... MANY conservatives passed through Tumpy's grinder and out the revolving door into the ether.

But somehow, the RINOs stayed. And a cabinet packed full to overflowing with Goldmann Sachs by the time he finished. - The very thing he falsely accused Cruz of.

[240B]

There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.

[libertybele]

There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.

All true. I get it. I've stated several time that I think he made a good president.  It's his current bullying and going off the rails that is going to hurt his chances and the chances of the GOP being seated.

He's not perfect, nor without fault, but he had us headed in a better direction than we are headed now.

Did I mention that he is orange, rude and a billionaire?

[240B]

So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.

Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.

[sneakypete]

There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.

@240B

And THERE it is.

[Smokin Joe]

  How many believe that had Trump lost to hellary (which I expected) we Conservatives would have shouldered the burden of his defeat and they wouldn't let up.  bidet is obviously less hated than that witch. 
  If a better Candidate beats him in the Primary and he/she loses the General because Trumpers stayed home. 
  Will we try and censure them like they did us?

While Biden may be less blatantly satanic in his mien, don't think for a second that the purveyor of the consistently worst policies for this nation ever and who has less finesse about his megalomania, is in any way 'liked' any better than Hillary. What's more, his crookedness goes  beyond mere larceny and into the realm of 'fundamental transformation' in all its Obamaesque contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution.
Trump's biggest failings, were from those around him he thought he could trust, from McConnell to Bob Barr and other perfidious bastards who worked with the Democrats to thwart good policy and leave the enemies of the Republic unopposed and untouched.

Trump is far from perfect, but the GOPe gets the bulk of my contempt.

[corbe]

So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.

Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.

   @240B Roamer's state, just like my state of Texas went for Trump, no matter how we voted, safely. bidet is not our guy, wish you'd get that out of head.  Sure, Trump would be better than hellary or bidet but that avoids the ultimate question:  Is Trump the best we can do?

[roamer_1]

There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.

TWENTY FRIGGIN TRIIIIIILLLLLION BUCKS!
Of course there would be inflation!

What happens when you print that much money?
The amount of dollars in circulation increases.
That means the worth of the dollar decreases.
That  IS inflation.

I dunno why I keep bothering to explain it.
Y'all can't hear it.

Take off the orange colored glasses and take a look around.
 

[libertybele]

While Biden may be less blatantly satanic in his mien, don't think for a second that the purveyor of the consistently worst policies for this nation ever and who has less finesse about his megalomania, is in any way 'liked' any better than Hillary. What's more, his crookedness goes  beyond mere larceny and into the realm of 'fundamental transformation' in all its Obamaesque contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution.
Trump's biggest failings, were from those around him he thought he could trust, from McConnell to Bob Barr and other perfidious bastards who worked with the Democrats to thwart good policy and leave the enemies of the Republic unopposed and untouched.

Trump is far from perfect, but the GOPe gets the bulk of my contempt.

Agreed, particularly failed GOP leadership.

[corbe]

   80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day.  Live by EO, Die by EO.

[LMAO]

TWENTY FRIGGIN TRIIIIIILLLLLION BUCKS!
Of course there would be inflation!

What happens when you print that much money?
The amount of dollars in circulation increases.
That means the worth of the dollar decreases.
That  IS inflation.

I dunno why I keep bothering to explain it.
Y'all can't hear it.

Take off the orange colored glasses and take a look around.
 

Because they believe that if you print the money, but it’s spent in America, it will not have an impact on the value of the dollar because we control the currency

It’s  part of the Modern Monetary Theory mindset. It doesn’t seem to work in the real world.

I do agree that when it came to the border and energy, Trump was right. But those went away with a new president. What didn’t go away was the nearly $8 trillion in debt added during his watch. And now  we’ll have what  Biden adding plus the amount Trump is promising to add on if he gets a second term.

[roamer_1]

So ignore the biggest spending spree in American history? Give THAT the nod?
You've GOT to be kidding me.

Right back at you my nonvoting America hating friend who lives in a burrow.
Your guy Biden has doubled that times 10. But, I get it. Trump is the Devil!
So anything ANYTHING is better than Trump, including World War III and starvation and death.

No, Buydem has not.
Tumpy DID spend at nearly twice the rate of Obummer, So go see if Buydem is actually spending at twice the rate of Tumpy.

Tumpy jacked the actual debt by what? $8T in four years. How much has Buydem jacked it so far?

SHOW ME.

And then what's to stop Tumpy from redoubling what Bitem did? He redoubled Obummer.

As to WWIII, All ya'll are all for escalating Ukraine... not me.

As for death, how many needlessly died because anti-virals were outlawed under Tump in the middle of COVID?

Don't feed me that crap.

The ONLY thing that stops ALL of it is small government and fiscal restraint.
That's the fix.
The ONLY fix.
And Tumpy sure the hell ain't that.

[LMAO]

   80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day.  Live by EO, Die by EO.

And what he left behind was debt and an inflationary time bomb

I’m guessing whats probably going to happen is the MAGA wing will end up pushing any other GOP nominees to the left on spending in order to try to get their votes.

After all, we have to keep spending lots of money to keep from going bankrupt

[Smokin Joe]

   80~85% of what he did evaporated on bidets first day.  Live by EO, Die by EO.

Yep, and why by EO? Mitch McConnell gets the bulk of that credit, imho.

But for the GOPe it isn't about what's right for the country, it's about maintaining their club.

[roamer_1]

Because they believe that if you print the money, but it’s spent in America, it will not have an impact on the value of the dollar because we control the currency

It’s  part of the Modern Monetary Theory mindset. It doesn’t seem to work in the real world.

I do agree that when it came to the border and energy, Trump was right. But those went away with a new president. What didn’t go away was the nearly $8 trillion in debt added during his watch. And now  we’ll have what  Biden adding plus the amount Trump is promising to add on if he gets a second term.

You can buy em books and buy em books and what do they do? Eat the covers.

By far and away the most pressing danger to this country EVER, is the runaway federal government taking away all our treasure and our rights, and Tumpy is as much to blame in that as anyone.

I don't want Democrats foremost because of their big government ways.
And Tumpy and the Pubbies ain't showing a whit of difference.

[roamer_1]

After all, we have to keep spending lots of money to keep from going bankrupt

Yeah, because that always works!