When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?

[sneakypete]

So, do you see any future president slowing the roll? I don't.

@bigheadfred

Since it would take a President  that is rude,arrogant,and not willing to listen to the party regulars,I don't either.

It would be different if there weren't so many votes who are "Miss Manners" types,but there are.

[roamer_1]

Digital cryptocurrency.

Why do you think the Web is full of cryptobros pushing Bitcoin?

Trying to... But Crypto took a hella big hit recently.
I am hoping it is all a fad.
because what it brings is pure evil.

[sneakypete]

I think we are looking at a deep depression at best and I believe Brandon and others are trying to collapse our economy and doing away with the dollar.

@libertybele

I think Brandon is too busy trying to figure  out how to get his diapers changed and eat his boogers to be concerned with anything that trivial,but the REAL leaders,who happen to be unelected, are working on collapsing the economy and doing away with  the dollar 24/7. They MUST do this or they will never take total control and turn America into a western version of the USSR.

You just KNOW they are eaten alive with envy over all the power Putin has,not to mention the lack of criticism from his own government.

[roamer_1]

I will—bluntly—blame the people.

In the end, that's right. in a Republic, based on liberty, the People are inevitably sovereign. And as always, the buck stops at the top.

What makes me cry foul in that is that so many are buffaloed. That is the domain of propaganda and a sullied press. The politicos are stealing both treasure and liberty, and the press along with them.

And many, many are standing there with their pants around their ankles looking at their phones, and totally unaware... Or even cheering.

What is left is a job for prophets.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You finally wrote something political I can agree with.

Have you fallen  and injured your head recently?

@sneakypete

LOL!

You agree with me more than you let on, Sneaks.
And you always have. You're just a cranky old bastard that likes to argue.
And it takes one to know one. 

[sneakypete]

I will—bluntly—blame the people.

This is what they want. They WANT huge deficits because it means lower taxes and bigger benefits for them... in the short run. And they stopped having kids, so the aftermath will be someone else's problem.

People love talking about fiscal responsibility until THEIR benefits are threatened. Then, instead of abolishing the Ponzi scheme that is Socialist Security, it becomes a game of "privatization," i.e. have the government buy stakes in private companies as investment instruments. That's even more socialist!

This is a country hooked on the dole. Whether it's social security benefits, or government jobs, we've grown dependent on Big Government, a Big Government we have never been able to afford.

@jmyrlefuller

I generally agree with very little that you write,but I am in ALMOST total agreement with every word in the post I am quoting.

Doing away with SS just is NOT  going to happen,nor should it. This is NOT saying it shouldn't be tamed to the point where the only people drawing money from it are people that paid into it,or that SOME benefits might need to be cut,modified,or eliminated,but there is no way in HELL it is going to be eliminated.

[catfish1957]

Trying to... But Crypto took a hella big hit recently.
I am hoping it is all a fad.
because what it brings is pure evil.

Reported it in my finance section, but did anyone notice all the funny crypto business going on during the SVB fiasco and regional bank yo-yo-ing last week.  Look at the prices and volume exchange data  and how all that was going on during the crisis.

Stunk to high heaven and some serious money was manuevered around....stealthly.

[roamer_1]

Reported it in my finance section, but did anyone notice all the funny crypto business going on during the SVB fiasco and regional bank yo-yo-ing last week.  Look at the prices and volume exchange data  and how all that was going on during the crisis.

Stunk to high heaven and some serious money was manuevered around....stealthly.

Considering their bent, I have been tossing around the idea that that SVB failed over the crypto crunch, and perhaps others... Don't know, but I wonder.

[LMAO]

@bigheadfred

Since it would take a President  that is rude,arrogant,and not willing to listen to the party regulars,I don't either.

It would be different if there weren't so many votes who are "Miss Manners" types,but there are.

No

A president doesn’t have to be rude and arrogant in order to try and slow the trajectory we are on

He just needs aggressively to use his VETO power and the bully pulpit.

[sneakypete]

No

A president doesn’t have to be rude and arrogant in order to try and slow the trajectory we are on

He just needs aggressively to use his VETO power and the bully pulpit.

@LMAO


And that,of course,would never be judged to be rude and arrogant by the left and the media,right?

[LMAO]

@LMAO


And that,of course,would never be judged to be rude and arrogant by the left and the media,right?

They would call it “mean spirited” but so what? And if Congress over rides the VETO’s then Congress can be blamed

[LMAO]

As bad as Jimmy Carter was by 1979 and 80, it was no shoe in  for Ronald Reagan. The Democrats painted Ronald Reagan as an extremist that wanted to get us into war and it did work for a while. However, as Reagan started to be out in the public more and more and especially the debates, he started to sound more reasonable to voters than  he was portrayed.

Reagan was also an unknown entity. The voters know Donald Trump just like they knew Hillary Clinton in 2016.

[Right_in_Virginia]

As bad as Jimmy Carter was by 1979 and 80, it was no shoe in  for Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was also an unknown entity.

Reagan ran unsuccessfully for President in 1968 and 1976.  How was he an "unknown entity" in 1980?

[LMAO]

Reagan ran unsuccessfully for President in 1968 and 1976.  How was he an "unknown entity" in 1980?

To the public at large he was  unknown. Not to GOP voters.
That's why the Democrats attempted to define him early in the campaign to the general public

[Kamaji]

There would be no inflation - with Trump
There would be no border invasion - with Trump
There would be no Ukraine war - with Trump
There would be no impending war with Russia - with Trump
There would be no $5 gas - with Trump
There would be no impending war with a nuclearized Iran - with Trump
America would be energy independent - with Trump
and on and on and on ...
I could do hundreds of these. But, why bother? Throwing pearls to swine.
No amount of reality or facts will ever affect them.
They are insulated in their own world bubbles.

Not entirely correct.

[LMAO]

Not entirely correct.

Trump was better on the border and energy that Biden.

The inflation monster was set in motion during Trump's tenure. Biden is fueling it.

The rest is just speculation

[roamer_1]

Trump was better on the border and energy that Biden.

The inflation monster was set in motion during Trump's tenure. Biden is fueling it.

The rest is just speculation

That's about right.

[jafo2010]

A friend of mine used to mention Occam's Razor 1-2 times a week in conversation.  He was often right with his assessments.

With the election of 2020, I often think of him and Occam's Razor.  He would use it consistently in reference to the unlikely outcome, the difficult to believe outcome of 2020.  Nothing simple about HOW Biden won that election.

Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex. Simple theories are easier to verify. Simple solutions are easier to execute.

So, to summarize:

What is the simple in 2020?

Well, let's start with the mega counting center in the Philly area that forced poll watchers back 100 yards away from the counting, and then mounted poster boards on the windows to prevent them from seeing anything.  That single act should have rendered EVERY VOTE NULL AND VOID in that center.  Poll Watchers have a purpose, and when they are prevented from doing their job, the votes should be voided.   PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!

There were entire batches of ballots with only the presidential race voted on, and none of the other elections marked.  The odds of this if I recall were in the trillions or quadrillions.  Meaning?  The possibility was virtually impossible, and there were many batches of ballots with ONLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE VOTED ON. 

Georgia:  the legislature invited a hacker in to see if he could break into a Dominion machine.  It took him about 15 minutes.  How long do you think it would take someone from Dominion that had the backdoor code to get in?  !5 seconds tops!!!!

Georgia:  there is real video of people running the same batch through the counting machine, over and over again.  Biden won by like 12,000 votes in Georgia.  We are not talking about a huge effort to fix the election.  We are talking about one hour's worth of effort by a handful of people.  That's all.  About one hour, if that!

All coin toss states stopped counting precisely at 2AM, with Trump ahead by huge margins, and 12 hours later, Biden was ahead by a margin of around 10,000 votes.  Sure does appear an algorithm was used to produce those results.

Pennsylvania:  I consider it the most corrupt state in the union.  State Supreme Court judges, who had zero right to change laws weeks before the election, did so, in direct defiance of the legislature, who has the sole responsibility of making those decisions.  Their last minute decisions should have been rendered null and void.  They violated the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

And there were actions in all the toss up states that were at best questionable. 

The virtually unanimous effort on all fronts to get rid of Trump was clearly apparent.  The apparatus that made all that happen is still in place, with virtually nothing having been changed.  NOTHING!!!  Anyone that believes the Dems and many others will be more emboldened to stop Trump in 2024 has the correct assessment.  It does not matter who the Dems run in 2024.  And it does not matter if the GOP runs Trump, DeSantis, Cruz, take your pick.  It does not matter.  THE ELECTION WILL BE FIXED. 

The difference in voting between the USA and Russia in national elections is non-existent.  You think Putin has won every election since 2000?  Really?

You think the simple answer to 2020 is that Biden actually won?  Really?  Someone tells you the Dominion systems are impenetrable and you believe them?  Anyone that knows systems knows that if the intent exists for cheating, then it is a SIMPLE effort to do so, not a difficult one.

SIMPLE CONCLUSION:  does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence?  He virtually did not campaign, and when people did turn out, there were a dozen or so in the audience, where Trump had tens of thousands everywhere he went.  I attended a rally that was estimated to have 70,000 people there, and it was nothing short of being electric.

One must also realize we have one party, the Uniparty.  Conservative values have largely been lost in America for decades.  Yes, there are exceptions in Congress, but the exceptions are not in control, and surely not in the majority.  Starting with McConnell.  He is perhaps the biggest rat f*** ever to exist in politics.  RINO does not begin to characterize this rat.  And he controls a ton of power, even as Minority Leader.

So, without fair elections, do we still have our republic?  I say no.

The SIMPLE ANSWER.  Did Fetterman really win the senate seat in Pennsylvania?  Another fool that did not campaign, and could not utter a SIMPLE SENTENCE.  You see, there is nothing SIMPLE in the equation of these morons winning elections.  But to me, the SIMPLE is a three letter word.


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[jmyrlefuller]

SIMPLE CONCLUSION:  does anyone here really believe the American people are dumb enough to vote for a man that can barely render an intelligent sentence?

In a word: yes.

Especially if that idiot's campaign team can convince them that the other guy is evil. And let's face it, Trump hasn't helped his case.

[jafo2010]

Being objective, I do not see the evil, any more than I saw the Russian collusion, or any of the other idiocy of the Democommies. 

The big mistakes made by Trump fall into largely three things.

1.  He kept Dr. Fauci as the man in control when he was blatantly incompetent in regard to the COVID pandemic.  For the man that fired anyone who slightly fell out of favor, Trump was completely out to lunch on Fauci. 

2.  PROMISES NOT KEPT:

     A.  THE WALL - no he did not build the wall as promised, and I don't care if the Mexicans paid for it.  It should have been built, and it wasn't.  I don't blame Trump only, but the entire GOP worthless pukes in Congress who worked against the president are equally to blame.

      B.  END THE H1-b VISA PROGRAM, promised DAY ONE by Trump.  In fact, he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA 5-6 months into his presidency, and he increased the H1-b Visa recipients.  I say this one aw-sh*t wiped out 5 million votes for Trump. 

He will NEVER win another election.  First, there is the FIX, and then there are those that now fit into a third group of Never Trumpers, folks that voted for him twice, and have come to the conclusion that enough is enough.  How big is that number?  Doesn't matter, for no one will examine that and come up with a poll to measure the size of the electorate loss he will sustain.  I say it is a double digit number.

How many people that like DeSantis and might have voted for Trump, but now that Trump has begun calling him names have said ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH.  This is a 78 year old man behaving like a young teen moron.  His stick has gotten more than tiresome, particularly his attacks on what is considered the best governor in the country by many.  In one breath, he wants to take credit for getting DeSantis elected, and in the next, he is condemning what many Republicans consider the best governor in the nation.  How stupid is this behavior? 

TRUMP IS NOT ELECTABLE.  IF HE WINS THE PRIMARY, HE IS GUARANTEED TO LOSE THE GENERAL.  MANY REPUBLICANS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN.

[bigheadfred]

@jafo2010

As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).

[roamer_1]

@jafo2010

As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).

Likely right, the way it looks now (though that don't mean a damn thing).
But if so, it will be just as intellectually bereft as an argument as it always is. 

[corbe]

   Yall seem to forget that the President submits a Budget every year and Trump's 4 Budgets were as big, if not bigger than the Two Ryan and pelousy passed, just appropriated differently, same consequence.  As someone alluded to earlier, he did earn that 'King of Debt' nickname honestly.

[libertybele]

@jafo2010

As it appears now, we will be back to the same argument: If you don't vote for Trump, you are voting for (Biden).

Well, I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think will move this country in a positive direction.

I may just sit '24 out or vote down ballot.

[jafo2010]

bigheadfred,

What you say is true if we had fair and free elections.  We don't. 

It doesn't matter who I vote for, the elections are fixed.  If I and 30 million other voted for Trump ten times, they would fix it so that Biden or whoever won by 10, to 20,000 votes in each state. 

Our republic is dead. 

Until the American people are willing to do something, something with real teeth, then it just does not matter.  You see what happened to thousands who merely protested, and got a bit destructive at the Capitol?  Kept in prison for years waiting for trial, and many of them having done what amounts to nothing.  And now they are going after 1,000 to 1,200 more folks with the intent of putting them in prison.  We are borderline totalitarian with these Democommies, and if you know the history of Nazi Germany, you know it does not take much to go full blown totalitarian. 

I sell solar systems, and I see fear in the eyes of the people that I sit across from.  Many believe this country is facing total collapse at any moment.  And the UGLY TRUTH is that I can see it.  Without electric, everything stops in America.  EVERYTHING!!!  Two billionaires that I have followed for decades are now forecasting complete collapse of the electric grid, for months at a time.  Mass anarchy. mass crime, mass death in the USA.

Ten years ago, I would have laugh at such thoughts as being idiocy.  Now, I can see it happening.  It is just a question of when.

I have a couple I sold solar to months ago, his system is installed.  He gave me a tour of his home.  He has one bedroom, floor to ceiling with 25 year survival food in canisters, and a 2nd room with two rows floor to ceiling.  He has 20,000 rounds of ammo and does not have enough from his mindset.  He has 8 - 300 gallon storage bins for water in the yard, and he is gathering more for survival.  He stopped, looked at me, and said, are you prepared for the sh*t hitting the fan?  I looked at him and said, if the sh*t hits the fan, I'm coming to live with you.  He laughed.  I said, I am serious.  You think you can defend this horde with just you and your wife?  I disturbed him immensely.

The guy that heads our install team, he told me that what I said got the customer thinking.  Apparently I disturbed him so much he has now created a neighborhood group dedicated to survival, committed to each other for survival. 

That is how much people are afraid today.  They are establishing survival groups.

Imagine SIX MORE YEARS OF BIDEN AND HARRIS!!!!!!!!!  The worst you never imagined is possible.

The idiocy of Washington is beyond belief.  These Democommie *sshats want to eliminate all coal plants, all nuclear plants, and now with their push to eliminate carbon based fuels, they are pushing to eliminate natural gas and oil plants generating electric.  That leaves hydro power, solar and wind turbine power.  They have no plan in place to replace the forms of power generation they are eliminating.  NONE!  What does that mean?  That means people in the USA and across the world dying prematurely, freezing to death in the winter, and dying of heat exposure in the summer.  Those days are realistically coming.  And if the two billionaires are right, we will go months without electric. 

There have been numerous news reports that have said the following.  The average home has but four days of food.  Also, if the sh*t hits the fan, 90% of America will be dead in one year largely from starvation.  I do not believe either one, but if the sh*t hits the fan, there will be anarchy, massive death and crime in the USA.  And if we are dealing with that chaos, what happens to the rest of the world?  Nothing good.

And then there is the war in Europe.  Putin has no intention of ending it.  Our military industrial complex has no intention of ending it either.  Money does not matter.  ANd the feds with Biden have no problem spending unlimited amounts of money.  UNLIMITED!!!!  REAL INFLATION HASN"T EVEN KICKED IN YET.  We have a government clueless to what causes inflation, despite all these pukes having lived through the Carter years. 

I expect interest rates to climb to double digits by the end of the year.  That will kill the Real Estate market.  It will un-employ 10 million+ folks in the USA.  And that trend has already begun in earnest.  SSI and Disability will be approaching 8% again for the next COLA increase.  I expect to see empty shelves once again.  Fuel will climb through the year and be back up and approaching $5 in Georgia.  That is where I live, so the average nationally will be higher.

I see nothing good happening with Biden/Harris running this country, with their clown car of fools supporting them.