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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1375 on: January 08, 2023, 01:23:48 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 01:08:20 am
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.

This was your post yesterday:
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 07, 2023, 04:57:52 am
Charlie Kirk is saying Trump called and basically told Gaetz he MUST vote McCarthy!

So who did Gaetz vote for?  He certainly didn't vote for McCarthy like Trump asked.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1376 on: January 08, 2023, 01:24:23 am »
maybe we need another Nathaniel Banks and not a McCathey
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1377 on: January 08, 2023, 01:24:24 am »
   It was an easy call due to history of maniacal egotism @Hoodat
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1378 on: January 08, 2023, 01:27:21 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2023, 01:23:39 am
I wish Trump would have butted the heck out. This was not the place to interject himself, but he did.

If Trump and his #AlwaysTrump cheering section had gotten their way, McCarthy would have won on the first vote, the Conservatives would have gotten zero concessions, and the Establishment would have cemented their control over the House for two more years of business as usual.

'Drain the Swamp' my ass.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1379 on: January 08, 2023, 01:29:41 am »
The very people who mocked and demanded the Conservatives stand down through over a dozen votes are now taking credit for their hard-fought gains.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1380 on: January 08, 2023, 01:31:16 am »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1381 on: January 08, 2023, 01:32:28 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2023, 01:23:39 am
I wish Trump would have butted the heck out. This was not the place to interject himself, but he did.

Report: MTG Tried to Place Rep. Rosendale on Phone with Trump After He Voted Against McCarthy



Nick Gilbertson 6 Jan 2023

Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) reportedly tried to place Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) on a live phone call with former President Donald J. Trump Friday night moments after Rosendale voted against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) for speaker of the House on the unsuccessful 14th ballot.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1382 on: January 08, 2023, 01:34:23 am »
   I think there were subliminal messages in 'The Apprentice' because without fail everyone I've asked that voted for Trump had seen that series or some part of it.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1383 on: January 08, 2023, 02:01:15 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on January 08, 2023, 01:32:28 am
Report: MTG Tried to Place Rep. Rosendale on Phone with Trump After He Voted Against McCarthy



Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) reportedly tried to place Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) on a live phone call with former President Donald J. Trump Friday night moments after Rosendale voted against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) for speaker of the House on the unsuccessful 14th ballot.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1384 on: January 08, 2023, 02:09:08 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 10:16:44 pm
She never brought legislation to the floor unless she had the votes......and she knew how to get the votes, no matter how long it took.

Disagree with her tactics, but they worked and pushed her agenda into law.

Our first House of Reosebtatuves had 65 members.  With numbers that small, and with everyone truly interested in good-faith work on behalf of the country, individual reps could be given more authority.

But when you have 435 members, and a divide so sharp that each sides primary goal is literally to sabotage the other sides' agenda, those same structural rules aren't practical.  435 require a stronger leadership structure than did 65.

There's a reason the Constitution didn't specify the rules for Congress, and specifically said each House gets to set its own.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1385 on: January 08, 2023, 02:26:20 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 08, 2023, 01:23:48 am
This was your post yesterday:
So who did Gaetz vote for?  He certainly didn't vote for McCarthy like Trump asked.

By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1386 on: January 08, 2023, 02:26:27 am »
    All I know is that anything that goes right with this 'NEW' Congress will not get reported because Trump and his merry band of midgets will take all the credit, BUTT anything that goes wrong the HFC will get all the Blame except Rosedale he's hiding on @roamer_1 back 40 and can't be reached for comment.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1387 on: January 08, 2023, 02:39:31 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 02:26:20 am
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?

He did not do as Trump asked.  In other words, Trump had zero effect on his vote, and was counterproductive towards his actions.  Not sure what part of that you find confusing.  But here's the breakdown:

Vote 14:  Gaetz votes "Present"

Trump calls Gaetz and demands he vote for McCarthy

Vote 15:  Gaetz votes "Present"

Heck of a lot of influence Trump had there.


Here's a better explanation of what occurred:

June, 2022 - Trump endorses McCarthy

Jan 3, 2022 - Trump urges everyone to support McCarthy for Speaker

Vote 2 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 2 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 3 - Conservatives demand concessions

Trump urges everyone to support McCarthy

Vote 4 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 5 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 6 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 7 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 8 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 9 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 10 - Conservatives demand concessions

Trump urges everyone to support McCarthy

Vote 11 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 12 - Conservatives demand concessions
Vote 13 - Conservatives demand concessions

Trump demands everyone vote McCarthy

Vote 14 - Conservatives demand concessions

Conservatives get consessions

Vote 15 - McCarthy wins

#AlwaysTrumpers give Trump credit for McCarthy victory

Conservative gains won by Conservatives not mentioned.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1388 on: January 08, 2023, 02:52:34 am »
   Beautiful Presentation @Hoodat
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1389 on: January 08, 2023, 02:58:41 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 07, 2023, 10:39:48 pm
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene: video

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video

Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.

Your right.

If nothing else Gaetz showed he would be a terrific Speaker. He stuck to his position, got a lot of concessions and even when Trump called to tell him to vote for McCarthy he didn't. Rogers on the other hand lost his cool and began making threats because he just loves being in the swamp and has no real principals.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1390 on: January 08, 2023, 03:02:19 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 07, 2023, 10:45:25 pm
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.

Man you have been nailing it on this thread.

I don't know what the big deal is about legislation getting held up, nothing is going to be passed by the Senate and signed by Brandon. The only bills that will be passed are related to financing the govt.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1391 on: January 08, 2023, 03:07:47 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 11:30:33 pm
Let's go back to the beginning when Conservatives were fighting this battle alone against the Establishment:


Trump’s endorsement proves worthless to Kevin McCarthy in his speaker bid

Thank G-d that Boebert, Gaetz, Rosendale, Biggs, etc. told Trump to pound sand while they were working on achieving a victory for Conservatives.

I was very disappointed in how Trump responded to the conservatives in the House. For me I sure want to take a long look at DeSantis if he decides to run. Trump trying to take credit after the fact just doesn't sit well.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1392 on: January 08, 2023, 03:10:13 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 11:31:30 pm
Good question since Trump had nothing to do with achieving what these 20 Conservatives achieved (Jordan not being one of them).

It may well be that this was Jordan's moment and because he hesitated it may never come again. Maybe Jordan has gone as far as he is going to go.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1393 on: January 08, 2023, 03:16:03 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 01:08:20 am
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.

@Mesaclone

Why are you defending Trump?

Don't you know he is both rich and rude????

Not to mention orange.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1394 on: January 08, 2023, 03:26:45 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 02:26:20 am
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?

Conservatives would have gotten nothing had they done what Trump demanded.

And then Trump claims he's the one who got the concessions... LOL... But that's how Trump operates - takes credit for other's accomplishments and denies responsibility for his own failures... Narcissist to the bone...
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1395 on: January 08, 2023, 04:07:40 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 02:26:20 am
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?

   In 15 votes, he changed his vote from Daniels, Hern, Trump, Biggs to finally 'Present' because he didn't want to offend Trump, give me a break.  He was scared of that bad azz Florida dude with the bad toupee!!!!
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1396 on: January 08, 2023, 05:12:59 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 08, 2023, 01:34:23 am
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I never saw a minute of The Apprentice."
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1397 on: January 08, 2023, 05:16:00 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 08, 2023, 04:07:40 am
   In 15 votes, he changed his vote from Daniels, Hern, Trump, Biggs to finally 'Present' because he didn't want to offend Trump, give me a break.  He was scared of that bad azz Florida dude with the bad toupee!!!!

Friday evening, before Congress reconvened, Gaetz was all over Fox celebrating how well they'd done in negotiations, calling McCarthy the Speaker-designate. 

Gaetz voted present in round 14 with the understanding that this would help, not hurt, McCarthy.  But that plan went out the window after four members continued to vote for an "other", stopping McCarthy's victory by one vote.

Gaetz did try to change his vote, but by the time he tried, the vote was locked.

Gaetz (and Biggs) --- both of whom spoke with Trump --- then voted nay on adjournment, bringing the four "other" voters along with them clearing the way for round 15.

Gaetz also conferenced with the four to change their votes from other to present ----  paving the way for a McCarthy victory.

The growing concern was if this spilled into next week, all bets would be off.  The moderate, and majority, members of the caucas were a powderkeg over what they considered too many concessions to too few.

It was critical to get it done Friday or the rebellion from the majority and interference from the democrats would have altered the outcome significantly, severely diminishing a hard fought victory for the House.

Trump stepped in to help close the deal on Friday, saving Republicans from themselves.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1398 on: January 08, 2023, 05:21:07 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 08, 2023, 05:16:00 am
Trump stepped in to help close the deal on Friday, saving Republicans from themselves.

Still making it up as you go.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1399 on: January 08, 2023, 05:22:40 am »
Again, Trump stepped in before Round 1, telling everyone to confirm McCarthy with ZERO concessions.
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