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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1350 on: January 07, 2023, 10:16:44 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 07, 2023, 07:52:02 pm
Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell.  She just exercised it in a leftist direction.

She never brought legislation to the floor unless she had the votes......and she knew how to get the votes, no matter how long it took.

Disagree with her tactics, but they worked and pushed her agenda into law.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1351 on: January 07, 2023, 10:24:47 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 07, 2023, 04:03:14 pm
How about we just make sure they never get the opportunity again!

Put an end to deficit spending, and they won't.  It is deficit spending that keeps them in power and fills their campaign coffers.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1352 on: January 07, 2023, 10:31:31 pm »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 07:45:54 pm
   Told yall last night the Trumpers would take credit for something they wanted to demolish in the first place.  Correct me if I'm wrong but when MTG tried to hand her phone to Gaetz with the DJT call, he didn't take it.

You're wrong.  It was Matt Rosenthal.

Gaetz, as did Biggs, took Trump's call.  They later conferenced with the last holdouts, convincing them to switch their votes to "present", too,  in round 15, lowering McCarthy's threshold and putting him over the top.





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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1353 on: January 07, 2023, 10:35:34 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 10:10:14 pm
Unless this change comes with a maximum number of amendments, it allows the democrats to use this to stall, if not stop, the GOP agenda.

If the GOP agenda is to not allocate any taxpayer money to fund abortion, how are these rules going to allow Democrats to stall if not stop that agenda?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1354 on: January 07, 2023, 10:38:01 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 10:31:31 pm
You're wrong.  It was Matt Rosenthal.

Gaetz, as did Biggs, took Trump's call.

It was reported that Trump demanded Gaetz to vote for McCarthy.  Gaetz never did that.  It was also reported that Trump urged everyone to vote for McCarthy before the first concession was won.  So if everyone had followed Trump's orders, Conservatives wouldn't have gotten a single thing.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1355 on: January 07, 2023, 10:39:48 pm »
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene: video

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video

Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1356 on: January 07, 2023, 10:39:55 pm »
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Voting had raged on since Tuesday, as a block of 21 Republicans, primarily driven by House Freedom Caucus members, repeatedly voted against McCarthy. However, the deal McCarthy and his allies struck with the delegation budged enough detractors to land the California Republican the speaker’s gavel.

Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.

"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1357 on: January 07, 2023, 10:41:30 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 07, 2023, 10:39:48 pm
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene:

Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.

You got that right.  How dare someone restrain Rogers.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1358 on: January 07, 2023, 10:43:28 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 10:41:30 pm
You got that right.  How dare someone restrain Rogers.

If we only had the same anger and emotion towards our dimocratic enemies.  Just think.......
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1359 on: January 07, 2023, 10:45:25 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 10:35:34 pm
If the GOP agenda is to not allocate any taxpayer money to fund abortion, how are these rules going to allow Democrats to stall if not stop that agenda?

More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1360 on: January 07, 2023, 10:46:29 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 10:39:55 pm
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Voting had raged on since Tuesday, as a block of 21 Republicans, primarily driven by House Freedom Caucus members, repeatedly voted against McCarthy. However, the deal McCarthy and his allies struck with the delegation budged enough detractors to land the California Republican the speaker’s gavel.

Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.

"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/

Here's your headline:  Donald Trump Played Crucial Role in Getting Speaker Kevin McCarthy Across Finish Line

Notice that it doesn't say 'Trump Played Crucial Role in Gaining Concessions for Conservatives'.  It only credits Trump with getting an establishment hack in the Speaker's chair.  Nowhere in any of this does Trump have a shred of understanding of House rules.  His only concern was having a political ally leading the House that could help him with his 2024 election.  That's it.  Implementing Conservative policy wasn't even an afterthought with him.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1361 on: January 07, 2023, 10:47:25 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 07, 2023, 10:45:25 pm
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.

Yep.  And there are people on this forum who are highly upset about that.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1362 on: January 07, 2023, 10:50:33 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 07, 2023, 10:39:48 pm
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene: video

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video

Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.

At least what was on camera didn't like a "lunge" to me. I don't know what happened after the camera panned away.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1363 on: January 07, 2023, 10:52:12 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on January 07, 2023, 10:43:28 pm
If we only had the same anger and emotion towards our dimocratic enemies.  Just think.......

Wouldn't it be nice.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1364 on: January 07, 2023, 10:53:20 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 10:47:25 pm
Yep.  And there are people on this forum who are highly upset about that.

Weird ain't it?  :pondering:
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1365 on: January 07, 2023, 11:18:23 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 10:46:29 pm
Here's your (THE) headline: Donald Trump Played Crucial Role in Getting Speaker Kevin McCarthy Across Finish Line

Notice that it doesn't say Trump Played Crucial Role in Gaining Concessions for Conservatives'.  It only credits Trump with getting an establishment hack in the Speaker's chair.

So why is Jim Jordan so pleased with the President's efforts and the outcome?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1366 on: January 07, 2023, 11:30:33 pm »
Let's go back to the beginning when Conservatives were fighting this battle alone against the Establishment:


Trump’s endorsement proves worthless to Kevin McCarthy in his speaker bid

Thank G-d that Boebert, Gaetz, Rosendale, Biggs, etc. told Trump to pound sand while they were working on achieving a victory for Conservatives.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1367 on: January 07, 2023, 11:31:30 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2023, 11:18:23 pm
So why is Jim Jordan so pleased with the President's efforts and the outcome?

Good question since Trump had nothing to do with achieving what these 20 Conservatives achieved (Jordan not being one of them).
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1368 on: January 08, 2023, 12:16:32 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 07, 2023, 10:45:25 pm
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.

Exactly how can it do that?  The members of the Freedom Caucus are outnumbered 10-1 by the other members of the House.  If the rest of the Republicans truly are no different from Democrats, there isn't a damn thing the FC can do to even slow down their legislation either in committee or on the floor.  They wouldn't have anything close to the number of votes.

The only way the FC will be relevant on legislation is if the rest of the GOP isn't just the same as the Democrats.  But that goes against everything you guys apparently believe.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1369 on: January 08, 2023, 12:42:18 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2023, 12:16:32 am
Exactly how can it do that?  The members of the Freedom Caucus are outnumbered 10-1 by the other members of the House.

Which is precisely why these rules changes were needed.  Thank G-d that these 20 Conservatives held firm and continued the fight while being plastered with calls to surrender from those decrying that it make Republicans look bad (as if the media would offer up anything different).


Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2023, 12:16:32 am
If the rest of the Republicans truly are no different from Democrats, there isn't a damn thing the FC can do to even slow down their legislation either in committee or on the floor.

Absolutely positively not true.  The House is now blocked from putting health care funding for illegals into an Agriculture bill.  Or USAID money into a Defense bill.  Or an increase of 87,000 IRS agents into an Interior Department bill.  And no more of that 'unanimous consent' bullshit with no one on the House floor.  And definitely no more voting on $1.7 trillion budget bills within hours of being introduced.


Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2023, 12:16:32 am
The only way the FC will be relevant on legislation is if the rest of the GOP isn't just the same as the Democrats.  But that goes against everything you guys apparently believe.

Their relevance won't be on what they get passed.  It will be on what they prevent from being passed.  Obamacare funding being a prime example.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1370 on: January 08, 2023, 12:57:50 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2023, 12:16:32 am
Exactly how can it do that?  The members of the Freedom Caucus are outnumbered 10-1 by the other members of the House.  If the rest of the Republicans truly are no different from Democrats, there isn't a damn thing the FC can do to even slow down their legislation either in committee or on the floor.  They wouldn't have anything close to the number of votes.

The only way the FC will be relevant on legislation is if the rest of the GOP isn't just the same as the Democrats.  But that goes against everything you guys apparently believe.

Poison pills by amendment for one, 12 appropriations bills instead of one do-or-die omnibus bill, full use of parliamentary procedures if fast tracking is gone... among other things. I don't know yet as I have not seen the final rules.

And you're right. By and large, if the RINOS stick together, especially with the crats,  there ain't a lot that can be done... But there's way more now than they were going to get, and you will surely see it put to work.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1371 on: January 08, 2023, 01:08:20 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 10:46:29 pm


Here's your headline:  Donald Trump Played Crucial Role in Getting Speaker Kevin McCarthy Across Finish Line

Notice that it doesn't say 'Trump Played Crucial Role in Gaining Concessions for Conservatives'.  It only credits Trump with getting an establishment hack in the Speaker's chair.  Nowhere in any of this does Trump have a shred of understanding of House rules.  His only concern was having a political ally leading the House that could help him with his 2024 election.  That's it.  Implementing Conservative policy wasn't even an afterthought with him.

If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1372 on: January 08, 2023, 01:17:42 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 08, 2023, 01:08:20 am
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.

C'mon man.  Trump is a chump.  No way that bleep called anyone.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1373 on: January 08, 2023, 01:20:34 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 07, 2023, 05:45:35 am
   Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement of Republicans Conservatives.

@corbe called it last night.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1374 on: January 08, 2023, 01:23:39 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 07, 2023, 11:30:33 pm
Trump’s endorsement proves worthless to Kevin McCarthy in his speaker bid[/b][/url]

Thank G-d that Boebert, Gaetz, Rosendale, Biggs, etc. told Trump to pound sand while they were working on achieving a victory for Conservatives.

I wish Trump would have butted the heck out. This was not the place to interject himself, but he did.
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