House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rumor has it that part of the agreement/concessions was that there would now be no more funding from the PAC to flip safe R seats.

It's more than rumor .....   

[catfish1957]

And I am all for that.  But this isn't what Gaetz has been saying.  The moment it became crystal clear Gaetz was fundraising off a personal vendetta he should have been backbenched and removed as the face and driver of the opposition.  Conservatives need to learn this lesson, too.

I don't like the deeper split this has created in the caucas.  It has created a level of fury that will be remembered and could surface at the most inopportune times.  The first time Gaetz calls for a vacate the chair vote (and he will, unless leashed), the caucas will rupture.

While the goals were solid and necessary, the process was extremely damaging.  All I can hope is the damage isn't permanent.

@LilLamb

No major disagreements on the merits of the post, but I have to ask the same that I asked the Major....

McCarthy has known through polling and trending, that the GOP would be in the majority since last summer

Why and how did it take till 0 Hour to address this and prevent this mess?  Seems like a major direlection of leadership, when we needed it most.  Wasn't or isn't this enough to legitimately question his ability to adequately lead this Congress in the first place, and this rebellion really valid?

[Right_in_Virginia]

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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.

He has gutted the Speaker's powers.

All to become Speaker.

Even if he can twist enough arms, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.

Nice way to mend a fractured caucas.

[roamer_1]

I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1.  But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago.  He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.

Wouldn't that show the leadership, knowing the backlash, and hard feelings this might create within the party? 

I'm on board when the smoke clears.  But McC's screwed the pooch, and I have a suspicion that there is going to be residual congressional animosity among the 20 for the next two years.  McCarthy is at some point have to ask himself.....   Was it worth it, and why I didn't prepare earlier.

Simple... The RINOs ran over the Conservatives in conference, where their numbers did the trick. And then they just expected Conservatives to kowtow now...Much like my opposition here expected...

That ain't what happened. 

[roamer_1]

Nice way to mend a fractured caucas.

It don't need mended. It needs deeper fractures.

[catfish1957]

Simple... The RINOs ran over the Conservatives in conference, where their numbers did the trick. And then they just expected Conservatives to kowtow now...Much like my opposition here expected...

That ain't what happened. 

He just needs two of these to cave-

Biggs
Boebert
Crane
Gaetz
Good
Rosendale

They are isolated now like the the last few at the Alamo.  I think he picks off 2 before the end of the day.

I am guessing Crane and Good.  Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs (definitey not) Rosendale (Likely not)

[roamer_1]

He just needs two of these to cave-

Biggs
Boebert
Crane
Gaetz
Good
Rosendale

They are isolated now like the the last few at the Alamo.  I think he picks off 2 before the end of the day.

I said all along they probably didn't have the poop to depose him. *just* levering rule changes is a huge win, and if that's all they get done, I am more than satisfied.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No major disagreements on the merits of the post, but I have to ask the same that I asked the Major....

McCarthy has known through polling and trending, that the GOP would be in the majority since last summer

I don't know.  But, a serious negotiation takes two sides.  On the opposition side it's Chip Roy.  It took him until Wednesday night to really show up

We could debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin ad nauseam.  Or, we can settle this and refocus on working against the democrats.

The choice is ours.

[catfish1957]

McCarthy Votes (218 needed)

Ballot #- votes

1- 203
2- 203
3- 202
4- 201
5- 201
6- 201
7- 201
8- 201
9- 200
10- 200
11- 200
12- 213
13- 214

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1.  But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago.  He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.

But we didn't even know who was going to be in Congress back then. We didn't know which party was going to control Congress, how much of a margin they would have, what would be the factions with them whichever margin was elected, etc.  Heck, Boebert was a pubic hair away from not getting elected at all.  So none of this realistically could start until after the election because you wouldn't know how to even begin counting the votes, or what concessions would be required to get to 218.

It sounds like the limits being imposed on the Speaker are more or less unprecedented, and I don't think those concessions were ever going to be made unless/until it got down to the wire.

I still think the FC shot conservatism in the foot with this, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Free Vulcan]

I don't know.  But, a serious negotiation takes two sides.  On the opposition side it's Chip Roy.  It took him until Wednesday night to really show up

We could debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin ad nauseam.  Or, we can settle this and refocus on working against the democrats.

The choice is ours.

That work has already started by the Holdouts reigning in old Kevs' flip entitled attitude and preventing another Omnibus disaster, rather than coronating him with a full cheer squad pep rally.

[catfish1957]

But we didn't even know who was going to be in Congress back then. We didn't know which party was going to control Congress, how much of a margin they would have, what would be the factions with them whichever margin was elected, etc.  Heck, Boebert was a pubic hair away from not getting elected at all.  So none of this realistically could start until after the election because you wouldn't know how to even begin counting the votes, or what concessions would be required to get to 218.

Even since early summer, no one, even the dims gave themselves a chance to win the house.  Do you even look at or watch RCP?

Incorrect statment.

[corbe]

   Crane, Good is my pick to flip.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Even since early summer, no one, even the dims gave themselves a chance to win the house.  Do you even look at or watch RCP?

Incorrect statment.

RCP turned out to be wrong.  They had Republicans at 227 seats with 34 still decided. We ended up at 222, which shouldn't have been possible.  And even that was a near thing.

The point is that without knowing exactly how many seats we have, and exactly who is in each of those seats, it is impossible to know what concessions would have to be made to get McCarthy to 218.

[Hoodat]

. . . you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism . . .

You might want to re-evaluate your standards.  There is nothing at all 'Conservative' about supporting Paul Ryan's lackey.

[catfish1957]

   Crane, Good is my pick to flip.

Unless my math is wrong, if the GOP gets everybody back tonight for a vote as planned they will have to pick off 4 holdouts instead of 2.

To me that becomes a hell of lot more difficult .

The tandem of Biggs-Boebert-Gaetz could still sink this thing, if they don't play

[roamer_1]

The point is that without knowing exactly how many seats we have, and exactly who is in each of those seats, it is impossible to know what concessions would have to be made to get McCarthy to 218.

There weren't supposed to be ANY concessions. It was to be a coronation.

[Hoodat]

There is a huge difference between just taking conservative actions, and achieving conservative results.

Handing the Speaker's chair over to Kevin McCarthy is NOT a Conservative result.

[Hoodat]

And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs.  Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.

That's what the Establishment already does.

[catfish1957]

RCP turned out to be wrong.  They had Republicans at 227 seats with 34 still decided. We ended up at 222, which shouldn't have been possible.  And even that was a near thing.

The point is that without knowing exactly how many seats we have, and exactly who is in each of those seats, it is impossible to know what concessions would have to be made to get McCarthy to 218.

LMAO....  No one, I mean absolutley no one expected the dims to reach 218.  McCarthy had plenty of time to prepare, and he didn't.

And as far as the GOP getting 218, 228, 238...  whatever.....   Can Kev, walk down the sidewalk and chew gum?  He had plenty of time  to work out all the scenrios he'd need to build the caucus?  Instead he made himself and the GOP to look like fools.

[DB]

That's what the Establishment already does.

That irony escapes him.

[catfish1957]

Handing the Speaker's chair over to Kevin McCarthy is NOT a Conservative result.

Yep, the next two years have basically been pissed away into a Kevin-Jeffries love fest.

[catfish1957]

There weren't supposed to be ANY concessions. It was to be a coronation.

Yep...'Ol Kev had a surprise when the Boehner-Ryan playbook didn't work out as planned. 

[Hoodat]

You don't by chance believe in passing bills first so you can read them, do you?

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[Hoodat]

I'm not happy with conservatives going off half-cocked @LilLamb  They end up shooting themselves in the ass, every time, and gain nothing but a sore ass.  This is why I have asked from the very start:  "What's the plan?" .

These guys didn't have a plan either.