House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Kamaji]

This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks.  It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.

[LilLamb]

But he was the Trump's, and therefore his cheerleaders first choice.

Kevs has no track record of standing up to the real political enemies. But let's vote for Lucy again.

Exactly, and can we just say one more time, Kevin McCarthy has an F rating on his voting record! That’s who we want leading the House?!? 

[catfish1957]

Why not stop with the "your boy" crap?  McCarthy wasn't anyone's first choice.  My understanding of the deal is it is solid and secures for conservatives leverage and a voice.

Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.

What deal?

15 minutes ago one member used the term "pending",,,,,,   and another one "good faith"

[corbe]

   McCarthy should make his own Nomination speech and tell us what he gave to the Freedom Caucus.

[Hoodat]

Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.

Yep.  Let's focus on Conservatives and get to work continuing the destruction of America's future.

[roamer_1]

Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.

This IS the real enemy.

[catfish1957]

   McCarthy should make his own Nomination speech and tell us what he gave to the Freedom Caucus.

Don't hold your breath Corbe.  It's probably in invisible ink.

[oldno7]

This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks.  It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.

 

[catfish1957]

This IS the real enemy.

Sadly many on our side doesn't realize that McCarthy and Turdle are as much, if not more than an enemy than anyone in the dimocratic party.

[Bigun]

This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks.  It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

But he was the Trump's, and therefore his cheerleaders first choice.

Kevs has no track record of standing up to the real political enemies. But let's vote for Lucy again.

Maybe if the McCarthy opposition had nominated a viable alternative candidate they could have spent their time winning votes for him instead of wasting time trying to pull votes away from McCarthy with only the assurance a magical "consensus" candidate would rise from the ashes.

So please, fight the urge to blame your usual suspects and learn from this. Strategy counts.

[Hoodat]

A smart strategy for the Democrats at this point may be for a couple of members to switch their votes over to confirm McCarthy just to increase the mistrust between him and the Conservatives.  And they get him in before he gives up anything else that the Democrats oppose.

[catfish1957]

Exactly, and can we just say one more time, Kevin McCarthy has an F rating on his voting record! That’s who we want leading the House?!?

Even the lenient ACA has him at a 74%.  If that isn't RINO territory,  I don't know what is.

[Hoodat]

McCarthy is 3 votes short.

[Hoodat]

[catfish1957]

Time for a call for recess, and find out what the terms of the FC agreement were (Pending or Not)

If it is acceptable, lets put this to bed.  Otherwise, I trust RINO McCarthy......Zero!!!!

[mystery-ak]

Here we go again...vote 13

[Free Vulcan]

Maybe if the McCarthy opposition had nominated a viable alternative candidate they could have spent their time winning votes for him instead of wasting time trying to pull votes away from McCarthy with only the assurance a magical "consensus" candidate would rise from the ashes.

So please, fight the urge to blame your usual suspects and learn from this. Strategy counts.

Kevs could have done that himself by taking himself out of the race after the 3rd failed vote, as the Swampers always demand the Conservatives do when they lose, i.e. get in line. They can't even live by the rules they put on everybody else.

But the holdouts pulled your ass out of the fire by actually negotiating to reign in the debacle of the last two years.

Meanwhile, the cheerleaders were just going to hand over the keys free of charge.

[corbe]

 

[LilLamb]

Maybe if the McCarthy opposition had nominated a viable alternative candidate they could have spent their time winning votes for him instead of wasting time trying to pull votes away from McCarthy with only the assurance a magical "consensus" candidate would rise from the ashes.

So please, fight the urge to blame your usual suspects and learn from this. Strategy counts.

I think one of the most disconcerting things for me, in all of this, is that you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism, is happy with everything that is happening here.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

What deal?

15 minutes ago one member used the term "pending",,,,,,   and another one "good faith"

It's literally impossible to enact the deal before electing a Speaker because you can't approve the rules and appoint committees until after the Speaker is elected.  So at that level, a certain amount of trust is required.

However, the deal is for changes to the rules and for committee appointments, which are things that happen almost immediately after the Speaker is elected. If McCarthy chose to go back on that deal after being elected Speaker, the Freedom Caucus would immediately move to vacate the chair, and that motion would pass.  So McCarthy would be right back where he is now except with his reputation destroyed.

The more rational thinkers within the Freedom Caucus clearly have figured that is the kind of promise you can actually trust. It is only those  operating on emotion and personal feelings who refuse to recognize it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I think one of the most disconcerting things for me, in all of this, is that you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism, is happy with everything that is happening here.

There is a huge difference between just taking conservative actions, and achieving conservative results.

[LilLamb]

Kevs could have done that himself by taking himself out of the race after the 3rd failed vote, as the Swampers always demand the Conservatives do when they lose, i.e. get in line. They can't even live by the rules they put on everybody else.

But the holdouts pulled your ass out of the fire by actually negotiating to reign in the debacle of the last two years.

Meanwhile, the cheerleaders were just going to hand over the keys free of charge.

 

[LilLamb]

There is a huge difference between just taking conservative actions, and achieving conservative results.

Doublespeak, which I always expect from you.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

McCarthy better get his digs in, because 10% of his party aren't going to forget.......

And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs.  Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.