House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[rustynail]

Look guys ... let's just BOTTOM LINE this whole episode.
McCarthy needs to step aside so we can move on. It is that simple.
The fact that he will not, shows that he cares more for himself than his Party or his Country.

But but 'morons'.

[roamer_1]

Bullshit.  This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.

Other than Tumpy endorsing this RINO POS.... 

[Bigun]

I actually appreciate Cyber tapping me on the shoulder and saying “Chill, Bro.” I needed that, so thank you. That said, still passionate and pretty fired up about this. We can’t just go on looking ridiculous as a party…it’s killing us and creating endless material for Dem campaigns.

Since December 11 2020 I've made it clear that I think this once great republic is beyond repair so we don't have a thing to lose at this point.  I just wish this fight had happened 30 years ago. @Mesaclone 

[Mesaclone]

I don't see as they need to. If they vote their conscience and can't stomach the candidate on principle, that's all the reason they need.

This is the same dang argument you gave me, in all it's varied forms, to get me to vote for that which I did not want. Screw that.

So if the other 200 hold to their principle and “vote their conscience and can’t stomach the candidate on principle”…I guess we just give the Dems the keys to everything.

Good strategy roamer….ensure conservatives lose EVERY election and can’t govern even should they miraculously win.

[Mesaclone]

Since December 11 2020 I've made it clear that I think this once great republic is beyond repair so we don't have a thing to lose at this point.  I just wish this fight had happened 30 years ago. @Mesaclone 

I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.

[roamer_1]

So if the other 200 hold to their principle and “vote their conscience and can’t stomach the candidate on principle”…I guess we just give the Dems the keys to everything.

Good strategy roamer….ensure conservatives lose EVERY election and can’t govern even should they miraculously win.

The dems have the keys to everything already, or the pubbies would have stalled the latest omnibus bill... And McCarthy changes that not a whit.

[Bigun]

I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.

I'm going to do all I can to make Texas an independent republic again.

[Cyber Liberty]

I actually appreciate Cyber tapping me on the shoulder and saying “Chill, Bro.” I needed that, so thank you. That said, still passionate and pretty fired up about this. We can’t just go on looking ridiculous as a party…it’s killing us and creating endless material for Dem campaigns.

We all are keyed up, old Friend.  We'll weather it liked all the other things we have.

[Cyber Liberty]

Another vote down the drain.

Yep.  12 votes down.

[Kamaji]

I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.

[Hoodat]

Yep.  12 votes down.

I thought this was 11?

[deb]

I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.

Spoken like a patriot.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1611119301209251840

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1611024582005395457

[DB]

Bullshit.  This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.

It would be if they vote for McCarthy while gaining nothing.

[Mesaclone]

Bullshit.  This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.

Sure. Why would the Dems make commercials SHOWING Republicans acting like petulant children and having a moronic battle to block their own guy from the Speakership? They’d never stoop so low, right?

[Mesaclone]

Not sure how you can classify a 0-0 tie as "losing in a landslide".

Because the vote wasn’t 0-0. It was roughly 200-22.

[Hoodat]

We're already at 20 against McCarthy, and he is still 25 short of 200.

[240B]

Sure. Why would the Dems make commercials SHOWING Republicans acting like petulant children and having a moronic battle to block their own guy from the Speakership? They’d never stoop so low, right?

Romney is far from "their own guy". Unless you include Democrats.

[Mesaclone]

The dems have the keys to everything already, or the pubbies would have stalled the latest omnibus bill... And McCarthy changes that not a whit.

We didn’t have the majority, nor any way to stall through the end of the last congress.

[Hoodat]

Recalling names.  Jeffries currently has a majority.

[Mesaclone]

Romney is far from "their own guy". Unless you include Democrats.

Romney?

[andy58-in-nh]

You don't seem to understand how the false-dilemma logical fallacy works.  It is a favorite rhetorical tool of Democrats and Establishment-loving Republicans.

It's not a false dilemma. It is a likely and logical outcome of organizational theory. Given enough time, McCarthy will give up. Then, Republicans will be faced with a multitude of choices and being Republicans, they are extremely unlikely to agree on just one. Eventually, the lockstep Democrats will make promises to end the chaos, and more likely than not, eventually get six wavering Republicans to join them. 

The outlier hypothesis would be that McCarthy gives up, and after numerous unsuccessful votes over weeks or months, one Republican emerges to satisfy the GOP's rhetorical herd of cats. That can still happen. It's just unlikely as hell.

[Hoodat]

That's 213.  That blocks Jeffries.

[Mesaclone]

I'm going to do all I can to make Texas an independent republic again.

Do it, and I’ll move there in a minute. I have a sister north Austin already so thinking about making that move regardless. That said, I’m not to the point I believe the country is unsaveable.