House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[berdie]

Not necessarily. The others may not be able to take the heat, being up for committee placements and such... Only the ones that can play hardball are playing hardball.

Like Rosendale - I guarantee he is getting standing ovations here in the state.
He not only can afford to take a hit, he is actually laying down big-time Conservative creds and staking em in with a 9 pound jack. This is making him golden.

Well, then the ones that think they can't play hardball aren't that devoted imho. The ones standing up face just as much retribution.

I think Rosendale was the guy who made the speech I liked so much. Good for Montana!

I've already said what I think should happen, so I won't repeat. I'm a lot of things, but I'm not a nag.

The optics shouldn't matter, but they do to a lot of people. But of course most people aren't watching this.

[Hoodat]

Neither does 22.

The 22 aren't voting to make someone else Speaker.  They are voting to block McCarthy from becoming Speaker.  Their target is 5, not 218.  And they have hit their target vote after vote after vote.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Those 200 are not voting for McCarthy. They are voting for themselves, and whatever McCarthy has promised them. They all know McCarthy is a flaming RINO, but McCarthy made it worth it for them.

How do you know that to be true?  I mean, if his only appeal to the 200 is that he can give them stuff, that's worthless because anyone in the caucus could run for Speaker and make the exact same promises.  So why him?

Maybe - shocker! - a good number of them actually prefer him as Speaker.   Just because you don't think he's a good choice for speaker doesn't mean they don't.

[mystery-ak]

I’m calling the 22 congressman morons…because they are behaving as such. I’m NOT calling anyone on this board anything other than by their names. I’ll be first admit I’m damn mad watching conservatism dragged through the mud and tarnished for 2024. I will take your advice and reduce the rudeness. Mea Culpa.

I know....

[240B]

Actually, I think you could - with more justification -  view the 20 as the wreck in the highway, and they should get out of the way.

They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests of the entire nation.
Romney is standing only for himself and his own self glorification.
Every big change in history started with 20 people or less.

[oldno7]

In today's world it's easy enough to find how people vote, even in private.

This has the optics of "willy nilly".

It's not so much the voting as the process.

There has been no process.

That's why debate here is illuminating.

[Mesaclone]

They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests….”

So are the 200.

[Cyber Liberty]

I know....

@Mesaclone is an old friend of the Forum.  I know too.

[Cyber Liberty]

So are the 200.

It looks that way.

[roamer_1]

Neither does 22.

So what?

[Mesaclone]

The 22 aren't voting to make someone else Speaker.  They are voting to block McCarthy from becoming Speaker.  Their target is 5, not 218.  And they have hit their target vote after vote after vote.

If that’s true, it’s utterly reprehensible.

If they have a better candidate, put them forward. If they don’t, grow up because all they’re doing is having at tantrum at the expense of the entire Conservative movement.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests of the entire nation.
Romney is standing only for himself and his own self glorification.
Every big change in history started with 20 people or less.

I'm pretty sure that a large chunk of the 200 do not believe the 20 are doing what is in the best interests of the nation, and believe that it would be a huge mistake to give them what they are demanding.

Both sides believe they are right.

[Mesaclone]

So what?

So what, then, is what we should say to the 22 who can’t even gather the courage to put forward their own candidate.

[Cyber Liberty]

So what, then, is what we should say to the 22 who can’t even gather the courage to put forward their own candidate.

They have been Nominating at least one every Ballot.

[Mesaclone]

@Mesaclone is an old friend of the Forum.  I know too.

I actually appreciate Cyber tapping me on the shoulder and saying “Chill, Bro.” I needed that, so thank you. That said, still passionate and pretty fired up about this. We can’t just go on looking ridiculous as a party…it’s killing us and creating endless material for Dem campaigns.

[Hoodat]

Another vote down the drain.

[roamer_1]

If that’s true, it’s utterly reprehensible.

If they have a better candidate, put them forward. If they don’t, grow up because all they’re doing is having at tantrum at the expense of the entire Conservative movement.

Republican-ism is NOT Conservatism.
That they took the opportunity to drag a RINO through a knothole is reason enough. And once they drag him through they should drag him back again.

Suits me fine.

[Mesaclone]

They have been Nominating at least one every Ballot.

Yes. Each one losing in a landslide to McCarthy. Should that not be a sign of who the caucus supports for Speaker. And shouldn’t the caucus’ support mean something?

[Hoodat]

I'm pretty sure that a large chunk of the 200 do not believe the 20 are doing what is in the best interests of the nation

I'm pretty sure that a large chunk of the 200 can't see outside the Beltway and have no concern for what is in the best interests of the nation.

[Hoodat]

Yes. Each one losing in a landslide to McCarthy. Should that not be a sign of who the caucus supports for Speaker. And shouldn’t the caucus’ support mean something?

Not sure how you can classify a 0-0 tie as "losing in a landslide".

[roamer_1]

So what, then, is what we should say to the 22 who can’t even gather the courage to put forward their own candidate.

I don't see as they need to. If they vote their conscience and can't stomach the candidate on principle, that's all the reason they need.

This is the same dang argument you gave me, in all it's varied forms, to get me to vote for that which I did not want. Screw that.

[Mesaclone]

Another vote down the drain.

Think of it this way. Each round of votes “down the drain” ensures another seat lost to the Dems in 2024 and/or another state lost in the Presidential election.

[Hoodat]

Looks like the 20 or so hit their target again.  Another win for the Conservatives.

[Hoodat]

Think of it this way. Each round of votes “down the drain” ensures another seat lost to the Dems in 2024 and/or another state lost in the Presidential election.

Bullshit.  This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.

[240B]

Look guys ... let's just BOTTOM LINE this whole episode.
McCarthy needs to step aside so we can move on. It is that simple.
The fact that he will not, shows that he cares more for himself than his Party or his Country.