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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2022, 08:25:45 pm »
So, not ever.

YES, EVER.
The word you see as 'kill' is 'murder' in Hebrew.
The commandment is about murder. The exceptions are NOT murder.


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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2022, 08:25:56 pm »
I am in the Pro-Life Category too.

OTOH, I do also realize that the dims played us like a drum using Dobbs as a wedge issue, and as an explosive GOTV incentive for their side.

Strategically, I have no idea why this landmark judical move couldn't have waited 6 months, and allowed us  to keep he democratic party accountible for there all of their disasters.

Because justice is not politics! And never should be!
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2022, 08:29:44 pm »
I am in the Pro-Life Category too.

OTOH, I do also realize that the dims played us like a drum using Dobbs as a wedge issue, and as an explosive GOTV incentive for their side.

Strategically, I have no idea why this landmark judical move couldn't have waited 6 months, and allowed us  to keep he democratic party accountible for there all of their disasters.

I don't think the timing would ever have been good. The media, the pundits, the politicians all manipulate the issue to secure support from those that refuse to accept responsibility for their lives and don't want to hear about how we need to always protect the most vulnerable among us.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2022, 08:33:43 pm »
You may not like it, but that's exactly what it is. The life of the unborn baby is being protected.

So the 14 year old assaut victim deserves no protection, not even time.  You see one life and one life, only.  I respect your honesty @bilo   

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2022, 08:34:51 pm »
YES, EVER.
The word you see as 'kill' is 'murder' in Hebrew.
The commandment is about murder. The exceptions are NOT murder.

So, not ever.





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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2022, 08:35:48 pm »
I don't think the timing would ever have been good. The media, the pundits, the politicians all manipulate the issue to secure support from those that refuse to accept responsibility for their lives and don't want to hear about how we need to always protect the most vulnerable among us.

The only timing I give a tinker's damn about is that it should have happened fifty years before it finally did!

Edit to add; and that goes for everything the courts have made up out of whole cloth like they did with Roe!
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2022, 08:36:21 pm »
Spitting hairs.

No it's not. I kill all the time. Varmints, food... Killing is not murder.

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2022, 08:39:44 pm »
Saving babies’ lives vs. a supposed political advantage? Perhaps people could hone up on their Biblical hermeneutics. Jesus speaks clearly about what should be done to those who harm children.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2022, 08:41:22 pm »
Threads like this have a way of exposing those who have had compassion and discernment principled right out of them @Cyber Liberty   Someone without either is often a self-righteous bully.

But, at least these threads have a way of explaining why the majority would rather spit on a Republican than vote for the candidate.

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2022, 08:43:27 pm »
Saving babies’ lives vs. a supposed political advantage? Perhaps people could hone up on their Biblical hermeneutics. Jesus speaks clearly about what should be done to those who harm children.

 :yowsa: VERY clearly!
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2022, 08:44:00 pm »
The only timing I give a tinker's damn about is that it should have happened fifty years before it finally did!

Edit to add; and that goes for everything the courts have made up out of whole cloth like they did with Roe!

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2022, 08:44:27 pm »
Strategically, I have no idea why this landmark judical move couldn't have waited 6 months, and allowed us  to keep he democratic party accountible for there all of their disasters.

I have no idea why Republicans stupidly chose not to affirm this decision as a victory for the Bill of Rights.  Republicans squandered the opportunity to separate abortion from national politics.  Instead of boldly affirming the rights of each State (Democrat and Republican) to choose their own abortion laws, they remained silently afraid that Democrats might say something bad against them (with the exception of that buffoon Graham mentioned before).

When are Republicans ever going to show some balls and call something out for what it is instead of cowering at Democrat lies?  There was nothing at all wrong with the timing of SCOTUS.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2022, 08:44:51 pm »

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2022, 08:46:45 pm »
The only timing I give a tinker's damn about is that it should have happened fifty years before it finally did!

Dobbs overturning Roe is no different from Brown overturning Plessy.  And Democrats were on the wrong side both times.  But I have yet to hear a single Republican politician make this comparison.  Cowards, one and all.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2022, 08:47:14 pm »
I hope that the national party takes only one position on abortion: it is a state matter.  There should be no federal regulation in this area, period.

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2022, 08:47:56 pm »
So the 14 year old assaut victim deserves no protection, not even time.  You see one life and one life, only.  I respect your honesty @bilo

It's to bad your lacking in that department.

The hypothetical 14 year old is not threatened with being killed, the unborn baby is!
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2022, 08:50:15 pm »
Saving babies’ lives vs. a supposed political advantage?

Saving babies' lives should have been in itself a rare opportunity to achieve a political advantage.  But Republicans were too afraid to stand for Righteousness, lest Democrats say mean things about them.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2022, 08:51:01 pm »
I hope that the national party takes only one position on abortion: it is a state matter.  There should be no federal regulation in this area, period.

Which was the case before Roe and has recently been restored thank God!
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2022, 08:51:43 pm »
So the 14 year old assaut victim deserves no protection

Funny you should say that considering that there were already government protections in place to prevent that assault.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2022, 08:53:41 pm »
I hope that the national party takes only one position on abortion: it is a state matter.  There should be no federal regulation in this area, period.

B-I-N-G-O !

Unfortunately, Republicans are cowards, afraid of stating this publicly.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2022, 08:56:50 pm »
But, at least these threads have a way of explaining why the majority would rather spit on a Republican than vote for the candidate.

Considering that the GOP chose your approach in this past election, how well did that work out for you?
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2022, 08:59:07 pm »
Which was the case before Roe and has recently been restored thank God!

The celebration of Dobbs as an affirmation of our Constitution is on par with Brown v. Board of Education as an affirmation of equal protection under that same Constitution.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2022, 10:00:58 pm »
I hope that the national party takes only one position on abortion: it is a state matter.  There should be no federal regulation in this area, period.


That is the bottom line.

I would like to see abortion outlawed...but that will have to come from the woman involved. Until then, legality resides with the states.