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Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« on: December 29, 2022, 08:16:54 pm »
 Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
by Julia Manchester - 12/29/22 6:00 AM ET

Republicans are recalibrating their messaging on abortion after Democrats successfully used the issue to galvanize their base and win over swing voters in 2022.

While the GOP largely focused on the three-pronged message of combatting rising inflation, crime, and the flow of migrants over the southern border, exit polls showed that abortion was a top priority for voters at the ballot box.

Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel has attributed some of the party’s losses to candidates ignoring the issue.

“It was probably a bigger factor than a lot of people thought,” McDaniel said in an interview earlier this month with radio talk show host John Catsimatidis. “We’ve got to get conversant on that.”

“We can’t just do an ostrich method and pretend that it doesn’t exist when Democrats are spending $30 million on that message.”

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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2022, 09:27:26 pm »
While the GOP largely focused on the three-pronged message of combatting rising inflation, crime, and the flow of migrants over the southern border, exit polls showed that abortion was a top priority for voters at the ballot box.

Nonsense on all counts.  Abortion was not a top priority for voters at the ballot box.  And the only message that Republicans offered was that nothing was their fault because the Democrats were in charge.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2022, 09:53:25 pm »
Nonsense on all counts.  Abortion was not a top priority for voters at the ballot box.  And the only message that Republicans offered was that nothing was their fault because the Democrats were in charge.


I'm not so sure that abortion wasn't an issue. I think it may have brought out a lot of the young vote.

The economy, border security, etc. should have been the top issues but didn't seem to be. Ignorance? Thinking it won't affect them? I don't know. The Pubs solutions just weren't popular. We are, sadly headed to a more liberal society. jmho

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2022, 04:09:13 am »
Nonsense on all counts. Abortion was not a top priority for voters at the ballot box.  And the only message that Republicans offered was that nothing was their fault because the Democrats were in charge.

Even if it was I would say it's a safe bet that all the babies that were not aborted because of the SCOTUS ruling are happy to have the chance to live.

If there are any Pubs of real faith, they should be shouting at the top of their lungs that life is a gift from GOD and destruction of the unborn is a selfish cruel act of a narcistic self destructive person. It is not a health care decision. It is an act of a lost soul and has become a sacrament for those who think they are their own gods.
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Re: Republicans rethink abortion strategy after bruising midterms
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2022, 04:46:55 am »
Shifting to the LEFT again?

Like I said long ago, I didn't leave the GOP, it left me.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2022, 05:12:57 am »
Shifting to the LEFT again?

Like I said long ago, I didn't leave the GOP, it left me.

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2022, 06:41:29 am »
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If there are any Pubs of real faith, they should be shouting at the top of their lungs that life is a gift from GOD and destruction of the unborn is a selfish cruel act of a narcistic self destructive person. It is not a health care decision. It is an act of a lost soul and has become a sacrament for those who think they are their own gods.

A fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as seven weeks.  Many women aren't sure of pregnancy, especially younger victims of rape and incest who may be afraid to speak of either attack.

And pregnancies can threaten the physical health and life of the mother.  Even Christian theologians give the mother the right to life in these circumstances.

Would an exception to the Fetal Heartbeat laws truly be an abomination in the case of rape, incest and threat to the mother?   Is it justfied to overrule the spirit of Christian life for earthly political principles?






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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2022, 07:39:58 am »
A fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as seven weeks.  Many women aren't sure of pregnancy, especially younger victims of rape and incest who may be afraid to speak of either attack.

And pregnancies can threaten the physical health and life of the mother.  Even Christian theologians give the mother the right to life in these circumstances.

Would an exception to the Fetal Heartbeat laws truly be an abomination in the case of rape, incest and threat to the mother?   Is it justfied to overrule the spirit of Christian life for earthly political principles?

What law has the child of rape abused that enables the state to take his life?

And what's to stop doctors from rubber-stamping 'life of the mother', even as they did under Reagan's law in California?

The bare exception really proves the rule: There is no 'justification' that allows a mother to kill her baby.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2022, 03:17:54 pm »
What law has the child of rape abused that enables the state to take his life?

What law has the victim abused that enables you to judge her to be nothing more than society's incubator? 

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And what's to stop doctors from rubber-stamping 'life of the mother', even as they did under Reagan's law in California?           

Nothing.    But, in your worldview it is better to let one mother die than 10 guilty off the hook.  Principled conservatism at its most revealing.

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I hope you don't think you have the moral high ground here.  All you have done is chosen to destroy the existing life. 

Maybe it's time to start leveling consequences on the fathers ---- not just in the case of rape or incest  ---- but all unplanned pregnancies.  Executing the sperm donor might just put an end to the whole abortion conundrum for once and for all.

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2022, 03:44:08 pm »
What law has the victim abused that enables you to judge her to be nothing more than society's incubator?


Nothing more? That's a bit hysterical. 9 months and an adoption agency is not such a burden when judged against taking the life of an innocent.

But that's a bit beside the point. The point as I have said before, is that the government has no way to sanction death except two:  Just cause (war), or due process. Obviously, the child has no connection to war, so you must have some criminal act to levy against the child, and a method of due process.

Otherwise, this government at every level must protect life as the first of the enumerated rights its establishment defined. There simply is no recourse...

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Nothing.    But, in your worldview it is better to let one mother die than 10 guilty off the hook.  Principled conservatism at its most revealing.


I said no such thing.  The point is that there can be no quarter since that quarter, already granted, has been grievously abused. Obvious physical malady that would take both the woman and the child has never been the question - That is specifically what Reagan's law meant to reasonably cure. It is the abuse thereof that is the problem.

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I hope you don't think you have the moral high ground here.  All you have done is chosen to destroy the existing life.

I have done no such thing. And BOTH lives are 'existing'.

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Maybe it's time to start leveling consequences on the fathers ---- not just in the case of rape or incest


In the case of real, bonafide rape or incest, I will happily pull the trigger myself, as any real man would.

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---- but all unplanned pregnancies.  Executing the sperm donor might just put an end to the whole abortion conundrum for once and for all.


Naw. The price for that historically has been marriage... And that's what it should be now.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2022, 04:06:29 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2022, 04:43:43 pm »
The only 'abortion strategy' the GOP had was the media saying they had an abortion strategy. Total MacGuffin.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2022, 04:51:04 pm »
Might not be a popular opinion, but I said Day 1 here that Dobbs would be the best Christmas GOTV gift the dims got during the midterms.

Thnk about it.  99% of all dim campaign ads focused on it, allowing deflection from the Biden disaster.

If SCOTUS had just waited until now, Congress would likely look much different.
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Might not be a popular opinion, but I said Day 1 here that Dobbs would be the best Christmas GOTV gift the dims got during the midterms.

Thnk about it.  99% of all dim campaign ads focused on it, allowing deflection from the Biden disaster.

If SCOTUS had just waited until now, Congress would likely look much different.

Probably true.  It gave the Rats an opportunity to demagogue the issue, as they always do.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2022, 06:41:55 pm »
Threads like this have a way of bringing out the hidden Choicers.   888mouth

Threads like this have a way of exposing those who have had compassion and discernment principled right out of them @Cyber Liberty   Someone without either is often a self-righteous bully.

But, at least these threads have a way of explaining why the majority would rather spit on a Republican than vote for the candidate.

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2022, 06:44:00 pm »
The only 'abortion strategy' the GOP had was the media saying they had an abortion strategy. Total MacGuffin.

How quickly you forget Lindsey Graham's proposal.

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2022, 06:51:45 pm »
Threads like this have a way of exposing those who have had compassion and discernment principled right out of them @Cyber Liberty   Someone without either is often a self-righteous bully.

But, at least these threads have a way of explaining why the majority would rather spit on a Republican than vote for the candidate.

There is *NO* principle or compassion involved in killing babies. EVER.

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A fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as seven weeks.  Many women aren't sure of pregnancy, especially younger victims of rape and incest who may be afraid to speak of either attack.

And pregnancies can threaten the physical health and life of the mother.  Even Christian theologians give the mother the right to life in these circumstances.

Would an exception to the Fetal Heartbeat laws truly be an abomination in the case of rape, incest and threat to the mother?  Is it justfied to overrule the spirit of Christian life for earthly political principles?

How is killing innocent unborn babies the "spirit of Christian life"?

I can see the medical necessity in the rare case where the mother will die if the baby isn't aborted, but in the case of rape or incest I can't help but ask, "what crime did the unborn baby commit that would warrant death"?
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2022, 07:18:59 pm »
There is *NO* principle or compassion involved in killing babies. EVER.

You've convinced me you wouldn't know compassion if it bit you in the ass, but what of discernment?  What do you,  oh holy man, say of a 14 year old pregnant through rape?

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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2022, 07:20:44 pm »
There is *NO* principle or compassion involved in killing babies. EVER.

Amen!

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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2022, 07:28:31 pm »
How is killing innocent unborn babies the "spirit of Christian life"?

There are two (2) lives involved here @bilo. The carve out is for three very specific circumstances:  pregnancy through rape, incest or that threatens the physical health of the mother. 

Does not Christian life demand compassion and discernment in all things?  Do not these three specific circumstances qualify under "all things"?

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2022, 07:28:56 pm »
You've convinced me you wouldn't know compassion if it bit you in the ass, but what of discernment?  What do you,  oh holy man, say of a 14 year old pregnant through rape?

@roamer_1

I know you're going back and forth with roamer_1 on this, but he is spot on when he asked "what crime did the baby commit?"

Everyone would agree that it is a very tough situation for the 14 year old girl. In this very rare circumstance we are left with a very hard choice, do we always value life or do we only value life when it's convenient? If it's the latter as you are suggesting shouldn't we just end the life of our relatives when they are struck with dementia and they've become a burden, or how about the child with a painful terminal illness?
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