Conservatives slammed Biden's joint press conference with Zelenskyy: 'No more money to Ukraine!'

[mystery-ak]

December 22, 2022 7:00am EST
Conservatives slammed Biden's joint press conference with Zelenskyy: 'No more money to Ukraine!'
Andy Biggs, who is challenging Kevin McCarthy for Speaker, tweeted "No more blank checks to Ukraine"

By Joe Silverstein | Fox News

Conservatives lawmakers and activists responded to President Biden's joint press conference with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy Wednesday by saying the United States should stop sending money to the war-torn country. 

During the press conference, Biden reaffirmed the U.S.'s commitment to provide aid to Ukraine in its efforts to maintain its national sovereignty. However, some conservatives argued that the United States has already provided enough aid to the country and that America's limited resources would be better used to help citizens at home. 

Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., a conservative Republican who is challenging Rep. Kevin McCarthy for House Speaker, tweeted "No more blank checks to Ukraine" in the lead up to the press conference. 

"Zelensky says $45 billion in aid from the U.S. is not enough. Not enough? What is enough? Enough with all of this," Biggs continued.

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[Timber Rattler]

Short-sighted fools.

[Bigun]

Short-sighted fools.

I guess you can put me down as one as well @Timber Rattler because we have already sent guite enough to that laundromat!

[Hoodat]

If only 'Conservatives' could get behind 'No more money to Planned Parenthood'.

[Bigun]

If only 'Conservatives' could get behind 'No more money to Planned Parenthood'.

And a thousand other lesser-known dodges!

[Timber Rattler]

I guess you can put me down as one as well @Timber Rattler because we have already sent guite enough to that laundromat!

So you're OK with THIS?



Or THIS?



Or THIS?



or THIS?



or THIS?



or THIS?



Or THIS?



I find it appalling that such moral cowardice and a "not our problem" mentality has taken root within the Conservative movement, in the face of such evil.  If this kind of appeasement and apathy had infected the U.S. during World War II, then this country would not have survived.  Is it not clear to you that invading Ukraine was NOT Putin's endgame, but only the beginning, and that ultimately this is what he has in store for us?

[LMAO]

I have a couple questions for those who believe we should still be shoveling money to Ukraine. That does not mean I’m OK with what Putin is doing there. But there are some fair questions to ask.

My first question is, when  is enough enough? We are rapidly approaching $32 trillion in debt with rising inflation.

My second question is how long do you think you can and should sustain this before you lose the patience of the American public? I hear a lot of apolitical people starting to grumble about all this money being sent over there while their standard of living is declining. What happens if this feeling starts becoming the majority?

And another question is how do you square being a fiscal conservative, but at the same time support all this money going to Ukraine?

I’m not advocating any particular position when it comes to Ukraine. I get the argument both sides are making. But it seems to me that we will spare no expense to protect Ukraine’s border, but we can’t seem to find a dime to protect our own.

[Bigun]

I'm definitely NOT OK with any of that @Timber Rattler but we can certainly help without sending bales of cash to be laundered and used for all kinds of nefarious things other than fighting Russians!

[cato potatoe]

I find it appalling that such moral cowardice and a "not our problem" mentality has taken root within the Conservative movement, in the face of such evil.  If this kind of appeasement and apathy had infected the U.S. during World War II, then this country would not have survived.  Is it not clear to you that invading Ukraine was NOT Putin's endgame, but only the beginning, and that ultimately this is what he has in store for us?

I don't think anyone is OK with it, but the United States has neglected its internal problems for decades while borrowing $30T to police the world.  Putin barely has the resources to hold the ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine ... he isn't coming after us. 

[Free Vulcan]

I find it appalling that such moral cowardice and a "not our problem" mentality has taken root within the Conservative movement, in the face of such evil.  If this kind of appeasement and apathy had infected the U.S. during World War II, then this country would not have survived.  Is it not clear to you that invading Ukraine was NOT Putin's endgame, but only the beginning, and that ultimately this is what he has in store for us?

We're giving them more money than even Russia spends on their military in a year. Where is it going? Lining Dem and RINO campaign pockets is where.

Are you good with mafia style money laundering, graft, corruption, and criminal collusion and conspiracy while the Ukrainian people get the shaft?

[Timber Rattler]

I don't think anyone is OK with it, but the United States has neglected its internal problems for decades while borrowing $30T to police the world.  Putin barely has the resources to hold the ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine ... he isn't coming after us.

But he is, and has said so, repeatedly.  Why will people not read what he says and take him at his word?

Let's start here:

Putin approves new foreign policy doctrine based on 'Russian World'

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-approves-new-foreign-policy-doctrine-based-russian-world-2022-09-05/

'Alaska Is Ours!' Billboards Appear in Russia After Threat to Reclaim State

https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-ours-billboards-appear-russia-after-threat-reclaim-state-1722761

[cato potatoe]

But he is, and has said so, repeatedly.  Why will people not read what he says and take him at his word?

It's propaganda.  The Russians are going to mount a winter offensive in Ukraine, and the last thing Putin wants is a military engagement with NATO.

[Timber Rattler]

@LMAO

My first question is, when  is enough enough? We are rapidly approaching $32 trillion in debt with rising inflation.

It'll be enough when the Russians are defeated and pushed out of Ukraine.  Better to spend billions now doing it, with the Ukrainians providing the muscle and blood, than spending trillions later and our children doing the fighting in Germany, Poland, or Romania later.
 

My second question is how long do you think you can and should sustain this before you lose the patience of the American public? I hear a lot of apolitical people starting to grumble about all this money being sent over there while their standard of living is declining. What happens if this feeling starts becoming the majority?

Despite the liberal-induced economic pain we're all going through, this country can sustain it indefinitely if it puts its mind to it.  As for losing patience, the American people do that anyway, but in this case, it's due to a lot of ignorance about Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe, and our role in NATO.  If such a majority emerges and pulls the plug, then this country will deserve exactly what it gets, good and hard, a la 9/11.  Remember when nobody was paying attention to Al Qaeda in the 1990s, despite all the signs being there about what was coming.  Well the red lights are certainly flashing now with Russia and China, and if the public chooses to buries its collective head in the sand and ignore those threats, then there's nothing else to do except find a good place to hide out in the mountains until its over.

And another question is how do you square being a fiscal conservative, but at the same time support all this money going to Ukraine?

Sticking to ideological dogma in the face of an existential threat is just stupid.  Being a fiscal Conservative is pretty much meaningless in this day and age, since the government has created so much debt that it will never be able to dig its way out from under it, especially with our own Republican "leaders" neck deep in spending $$$$.  All of that went out the window with COVID.

[Hoodat]

I'm definitely NOT OK with any of that @Timber Rattler but we can certainly help without sending bales of cash to be laundered and used for all kinds of nefarious things other than fighting Russians!

Yep.  Maybe if we simply give Ukrainians arms with training and cut out all the money laundering and graft, then the amount we would be talking about would be but a small fraction of all the money that US politicians keep announcing.

[LMAO]

Yep.  Maybe if we simply give Ukrainians arms with training and cut out all the money laundering and graft, then the amount we would be talking about would be but a small fraction of all the money that US politicians keep announcing.

Agree

[Bigun]

Yep.  Maybe if we simply give Ukrainians arms with training and cut out all the money laundering and graft, then the amount we would be talking about would be but a small fraction of all the money that US politicians keep announcing.

 

[LMAO]

@LMAO

It'll be enough when the Russians are defeated and pushed out of Ukraine.  Better to spend billions now doing it, with the Ukrainians providing the muscle and blood, than spending trillions later and our children doing the fighting in Germany, Poland, or Romania later.
 
Despite the liberal-induced economic pain we're all going through, this country can sustain it indefinitely if it puts its mind to it.  As for losing patience, the American people do that anyway, but in this case, it's due to a lot of ignorance about Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe, and our role in NATO.  If such a majority emerges and pulls the plug, then this country will deserve exactly what it gets, good and hard, a la 9/11.  Remember when nobody was paying attention to Al Qaeda in the 1990s, despite all the signs being there about what was coming.  Well the red lights are certainly flashing now with Russia and China, and if the public chooses to buries its collective head in the sand and ignore those threats, then there's nothing else to do except find a good place to hide out in the mountains until its over.

Sticking to ideological dogma in the face of an existential threat is just stupid.  Being a fiscal Conservative is pretty much meaningless in this day and age, since the government has created so much debt that it will never be able to dig its way out from under it, especially with our own Republican "leaders" neck deep in spending $$$$.  All of that went out the window with COVID.

Ok

Your first response is the same argument that the left makes for every spending scheme “Better to spend millions now than billions later.”

Your last response makes my point. You said that we are in so much debt that we will never be able to dig our way out of it, which is true. But how is adding more supposed to alleviate that situation?  The dollar doesn’t care whether or not it’s printed for a weapon to be used in Ukraine or for food stamps.

[Timber Rattler]

Here's some perspective.

Aid to Ukraine Explained in Six Charts

https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts

People generally assume that most of the appropriated aid packages are being stolen or diverted to Ukrainian oligarch vaults.  But is that truly where the money is going?  Seems to me that if it was all being diverted to other than military and infrastructure repair purposes, then the Russians would have won the war back in the summer, instead of being pushed back. 

So would that not suggest that the aid is going to exactly where it needs to go, with the Ukrainians winning on the battlefield?

[Bigun]

So would that not suggest that the aid is going to exactly where it needs to go, with the Ukrainians winning on the battlefield?

In a word, no! You clearly have no concept of the sums of money involved.

[libertybele]

Short-sighted fools.

The only short-sighted fools are those that continue to line the pockets of Zelenskyy, Biden and others who are profiting off of this war.  Even Europe has begun to question who is profiting

We have sent $100 BILLION and that still hasn't defeated Putin???  In addition we have well-armed Ukraine plus given them patriot missiles and that still hasn't defeated Putin.  Now Zelenskyy has the audacity to come directly to our country and beg for more because what we've given him isn't enough...  I declare b.s.  The Dems applauded him, Pelosi bowed to him and yet we continue to draw down on our weaponry leaving us vulnerable.

IN ADDITION OUR DARN BORDER IS STILL OPEN TO EVERYONE BUT WE ARE GIVING ZELENSKYY AN OPEN CHECKBOOK TO SECURE HIS BORDER.

Who is the short-sighted fool here?????

[mystery-ak]

Yep.  Maybe if we simply give Ukrainians arms with training and cut out all the money laundering and graft, then the amount we would be talking about would be but a small fraction of all the money that US politicians keep announcing.

Yes!...I for one want an accounting for all the money we have given them before we give them anymore...where exactly is it going?

[Free Vulcan]

Here's some perspective.

Aid to Ukraine Explained in Six Charts

https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts

People generally assume that most of the appropriated aid packages are being stolen or diverted to Ukrainian oligarch vaults.  But is that truly where the money is going?  Seems to me that if it was all being diverted to other than military and infrastructure repair purposes, then the Russians would have won the war back in the summer, instead of being pushed back. 

So would that not suggest that the aid is going to exactly where it needs to go, with the Ukrainians winning on the battlefield?

With the amount of money being sent they should have the best military in Europe. Why don't they? They should have crushed Russia by now and be at the gates of Moscow.

Where are the tanks? Planes? Artillery? Bombs? What exactly have we got for all that money? There isn't even any attempt at oversight and zero auditing.

What Zelenzky really wants is for NATO to engage Russia one-on-one and spare Ukraine from having to fight the way while he and his cronies pocket the cash, nuclear war be damned.

You pulled your bluff and bully, thug mugging strong arm move with pics of blood and bodies. How do you feel about thousands of dead American boys and girls in Ukraine in a radioactive wasteland?

Sorry if I don't want to be more involved in another foreign entanglement.

[LMAO]

Sorry if I don't want to be more involved in another foreign entanglement.

I think after Iraq and Afghanistan, more foreign entanglements are going to be a tough sell to the general public

Had we kept the Trump era energy policy and Europe not pursuing green energy fantasies, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation

[libertybele]

So you're OK with THIS?



Or THIS?



Or THIS?



or THIS?



or THIS?



or THIS?



Or THIS?



I find it appalling that such moral cowardice and a "not our problem" mentality has taken root within the Conservative movement, in the face of such evil.  If this kind of appeasement and apathy had infected the U.S. during World War II, then this country would not have survived.  Is it not clear to you that invading Ukraine was NOT Putin's endgame, but only the beginning, and that ultimately this is what he has in store for us?

@Timber Rattler go back and research (especially prior Zelenskyy ) how Ukraine murdered their own and blamed it on the Russians.

You can show all kinds of pictures -- how many Russians are dying?? 

Do some research -- this has been an on going war and ONLY escalated after Biden took office and in fact he started immediately giving $$ to Zelenskyy and predicted that Putin was going to escalate the war before Putin even made a move.  Why do you think that was?

Short-sighted fools bought into this scenario hook, line and sinker.

To be clear, I am opposed to the murders and killings of innocents on BOTH sides.  BUT, it is their war period.

We need to take care of our country and our own people.  Our own people are having a hard time putting a roof over their head and food on the table -- yet we're giving MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS a free ride.  Do you see anything wrong with that picture @Timber Rattler ??

We've given Zenelskyy plenty -- let them fight their own war before we destroy our own country and draw down our weapons so much that it leaves us with a bigger target on our backs then we already have!

Remember -- America falls -- who are they going to get their $$ and weapons from? 

America -- What will the world do without her?  Think about it.

[Timber Rattler]

In a word, no! You clearly have no concept of the sums of money involved.

Yes, I do.  Weapon systems cost money, and lots of it.  So how do YOU know where it's going?